Vegalia: Escitalopram and Lysanxia ( prazepam)

[Altostrata]

Do you feel better or worse after you take escitalopram.

[Vegalia]

18 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Do you feel better or worse after you take escitalopram.

 

I can say that I have often less anxiety and dépression, but more dépersonalisation and fog in brain.

 

What is absolutely sûre is that I feel me worse since I started then, tapered so fast this antidépressant. Before symptôms were hard but very less numerous and more bearable.

 

Vega 

[Vegalia]

 Good evening

 

7 november/ Day + 9 after escitalopram move.

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm, aches and burnings but not very hard. I took L-tryptophan at 10 pm : I felt asleep.

 

 

I sleeped : 10. 30 pm to 4.30 am and drowsiness until 6 am. Woke with usual physical symptôms but slight.

7 am I get up : tremors : new symptôm during 1 hour.

8. 15 am : lihium citrate +/- 0,66mg,  anxiety  6 dépression 7. I managéd to do some houswork.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg 

10.am . Very tired, drowsiness, try to fight against sleep but I feel asleep about 11.45 am I think. 

Noon : woke with alarm anxious,  escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat. 

1 pm : less tired, but apathy.  go to lie on but no sleep. I dont want to do anything

3. pm :  get up prazepam 4,75 mg.

4.30 pm : force me to go shopping with my car (5 km) : fighting against dépression and apathy. A little dépersonnalisation but slight.

6 pm : anxiety 6.

7 pm eat

8.30 pm : very tired...

9. pm:   prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm or maybe earlier : L-tryptophan 200 mg..

 

*****

nausea : not a lot

Equilibrium problems :  3

visual problems :  sevéral times

Bruxism : 2

Cold  : several times

sensibility to light and noises  : stable, slight.

difficulties for speech  : no

 itchings : one hour this morning 7 am to 8 am on scalp.

Today : No nervosity. Déréalisation sligth. Weakness. 

Physical symptôms were not very hard at 4.

But : I was very instable between hard dépression, apathy, anxiety, tiredness, drowsiness. Very, very hard day again, but very différent from yesterday.

 

Since several days my sleep is less good.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

 Good evening

 

8 november/ Day + 10 after escitalopram move.

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm I was very anxious  7

 

I sleeped : 11 30 pm to 5.30 am, woke with a pic of anxiety 7, but not during longtime.Drowsiness and slept again 7.30 am to 8 am (alarm), usual physical symptôms but not very hard.

8 am I get up : anxiety 6, dépression 5

8. 15 am : lihium citrate +/- 0,50 mg,  I managéd to do some houswork.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg 

10.am . Very tired, but in the same tome always anxious, anxiety go to 8 at non with back and spine very contracted. 

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat. 

1 pm : anxiety 5, depression 6. Aches reduce a little. go to lie on but no sleep. Thinking of my life, my couple and sad. I cried.

3. pm :  get up prazepam 4,75 mg and go to rest again

5 pm : anxiety 8., dépression 5 Get up. My back, neck, arms, scalp are very doulourous and burning a lot and more and more 5 to 8 in intensity gradually. Sensations of électricity in arms and head.

7pm : eat, anxiety reduce to 4

8 . 15 m : go to rest with  heating belt for  back and neck . It is 8.35 pm yet as I write this diary : it is very difficult for me to hold my phone and write this message with such aches.

9. pm: aches and burnings a little in réduction : 6.  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg..

 

*****

nausea : not a lot.

Equilibrium problems :  4

visual problems :  4 times

Bruxism : 2

Cold  : several tomes.

sensibility to light and noises  : stable..

difficulties for speech  : no

 itchings : no

diarrhea

Today : No nervosity. No deréalisation, no fog in brain. Weakness. Back and neck very contractéd : very hard, ball in stomach still all day.Arms, back, neck, scalp Burns a lot, legs to but less.So much physical symptôms. I wrote the stronger, but I have others Every days like headache, stomach and bowel aches too.

Very hard periods of anxiety, dépression. I think I'm in hell, even if I try to be in acceptation. Too hard.

 

Always wonder me : why not to increase a little escitalopram. 

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega.

[Shep]

On 11/7/2019 at 2:51 PM, Vegalia said:

Since several days my sleep is less good.

 

Did your sleep get worse after you started tapering the lithium? Have you made any other changes? 

[Vegalia]

23 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Did your sleep get worse after you started tapering the lithium? Have you made any other changes? 

 Hello Shep  

 

My sleep get worse I think +/- 10 days before I started to tapering  lithium orotates trace éléments.

 

I don't sée particulary change.

 

Have a good day .

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

@Shep

 

I dont know if I'm ready to do this, but if you find a little time, could you explain to me your méthod to go 3 to 2 x prazepam but 2 equal doses?

Are you doing often such change with long Half-Life benzo? I didn’t found in benzo section.

 

I well  understand that you wish to sée escitalopram effect, but I'm not sûre that it  is clear in my diary....

 

Thank you So much.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

 Good evening

 

9 november/ Day + 11 after escitalopram move.

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm aches reduced a little.

 

I sleeped : 11. 30 pm to 3.40 am and to 7 with several wakes. Usual physical symptôms but not very hard.

7.30 am I get up : anxiety 4, dépression 3, cold, sweat

8. 15 am : lihium citrate +/- 0,50 mg

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10.am . Very tired, but in the same time anxiety go to 7. Aches reduced a little. I do some houswork. 

11.am : fog in Brain, dépersonalisation.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

1 pm : eat anxiety 4, depression 5. Aches reduce a little again. Do some housework. 

2 pm : depersonalisation begin to reduce.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.

Go to rest with heating belt in darkness. I cry a little : good.

6 pm : anxiety 7., dépression 5 Get up. Bad intrusive images.

7pm : eat, anxiety reduce to 3, dépression 3

8. pm : Whaaa ! I feeeel good ! 🎶 Symptôms, tired, but I feel me 80% normal : thinking I could always live like that and I will be happy !

9.15 pm (oops) :  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : not a lot.

Equilibrium problems :  4

visual problems :  several times

Bruxism : 2

Cold  : several times.

sensibility to light and noises  : stable..

difficulties for speech  : no

 itchings : no

Today : No nervosity. Weakness. Depersonalisation 2-3 h.

Always numerous physical symptôms but less than yesterday. Anxiety, dépression but not hard all the day.

I felt me strong today. Forced me to be more active even if I was anxious or derealizate. But I rested too. I have cryed. I think that all thèse things helped me.

 

About sleep : I am too often with my phone or TV last days ...I will limitate it.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega.

[rola]

20h00: Whaaa! Je me sens bien! 🎶  Symptôms, fatigués, mais je me sens comme à 80% normal: penser que je pourrais toujours vivre comme ça et que je serai heureux!

salut vegalia 

que ça continue😊 ,je suis contente pour toi 

il y a des progrès

je t 'embrasse  

[Vegalia]

Coucou @rola

 

Thank you So much for tour support : So Nice !

 

This morning since I woke , it is hard : espacially very umpleasant and hard sensations in head and neck. One of the worst of my numerous symptoms.

 

Hope it will not during all the day. Thinking on yesterday evening gives me hope. 

 

Courage à toi et mes pensées. 

 

Bisous

 

Vega.

[Shep]

17 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I dont know if I'm ready to do this, but if you find a little time, could you explain to me your méthod to go 3 to 2 x prazepam but 2 equal doses?

Are you doing often such change with long Half-Life benzo? I didn’t found in benzo section.

 

This is your current schedule: 

 

14 hours ago, Vegalia said:

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.

9.15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

Here is how you can space out your doses for twice a day. 

 

DAY 1 - split out the 3 PM dose and gradually move 1/2 to the night dose and 1/2 to the morning dose. 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

2:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

3:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

DAY 2: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

2 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

4 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

DAY 3: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

1:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

4:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

DAY 4: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

1 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

5 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9.15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

 

DAY 5: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

11 am: prazepam 2.375 mg - NOTE: moved 2 hours to keep from taking the benzo too close to the escitalopram.

5:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

DAY 6: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

10:30 am: prazepam 2.375 mg

6 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9.15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

DAY 7: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

10 am: prazepam 2.375 mg

6:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

 

DAY 8: 

 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

9:30 am: prazepam 2.375 mg

7 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

 

DAY 9: 

 

9 am : prazepam 7.125 mg - NOTE: morning dose is completely moved. 

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

7:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

 

DAY 10: 

 

9 am : prazepam 7.125 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

8:30 pm: prazepam 2.375 mg

9:15 pm:  prazepam 4,75 mg

 

 

DAY 11: 

 

9 am : prazepam 7.125 mg

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

9:15 pm:  prazepam 7.125 mg - NOTE: evening dose is completely moved. 

 

 

Please do not start moving your benzo doses until you are completely finished reducing the lithium - only one change at a time.

[Vegalia]

31 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Voici votre horaire actuel: 

 

 

Voici comment vous pouvez espacer vos doses deux fois par jour. 

 

JOUR 1 - Séparer la dose de 15 heures et passer progressivement de 1/2 à la dose de nuit et de 1/2 à la dose du matin. 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

14h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

15h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

JOUR 2 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

14h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

16h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

JOUR 3 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

13h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

16h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

JOUR 4 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

13h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

17h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

 

JOUR 5 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

11h00: prazépam 2,375 mg  - NOTE: déplacé de 2 heures pour ne pas prendre le benzo trop près de l'escitalopram.

17h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

JOUR 6 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

10h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

18h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

JOUR 7 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

10h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

18h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

 

JOUR 8 : 

 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

9h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

19h00: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

 

JOUR 9 : 

 

9h00: prazépam 7,125 mg -  REMARQUE: la dose du matin est complètement déplacée. 

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

19h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

 

JOUR 10 : 

 

9h: prazépam 7,125 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

20h30: prazépam 2,375 mg

21h15: prazépam 4,75 mg

 

 

JOUR 11 : 

 

9h: prazépam 7,125 mg

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.   

21h15 :  prazépam 7,125 mg - REMARQUE: la dose du soir est complètement déplacée. 

 

 

S'il vous plaît ne commencez pas à déplacer vos doses de benzo jusqu'à ce que vous ayez complètement fini de réduire le lithium - un seul changement à la fois.

 Hello Shep,

 

Thank you So much.

 

Of course one change a time.

 

I will not change prazepam shedule without to ask. I must to think about it too. I would be happy to have two doses one day but, I'm always  affraid that it could more déstabilize me, because I am very destabilized with what I did with my antidépressant : change of drug + bad taper. I dont want too be worse.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Bon ev ening

 

10 novembre

 

Hier soir après 21h je me sentais toujours bien: 80% normal même si j'avais des symptômes (supportable)

 

J'ai dormi: de 11 h 30 à 5 h 30 et de somnolence vers 8 heures. Symptômes physiques habituels. Sensations désagréables dans la colonne vertébrale, le cou et la tête dure.

8h15: lever, citrate de lithium +/- 0,30 mg anxiété 3, dépression 3, froid, transpiration.

9. am: prazépam 4,75 mg

11h: brouillard dans le cerveau, dépersonalisation, anxiété 6, dépression 5.

Midi :   escitalopram 1,5 mg.  

13h: manger 

14h: la dépersonnalisation commence à diminuer. Allez vous reposer avec la ceinture chauffante. Téléphonez à mon père. Les sensations de plaisir au dos, au cou et à la tête diminuent un peu. Anxiété 4, dépression 4.

15h00: prazépam 4,75 mg.

16h: aller marcher 30 mn! Je ne le fais pas depuis 1 mois je pense. Tellement heureux. Anxiété 2, dépression 3. Prochaine fois: portez une casquette. ^^ Il fait froid maintenant! 

18h: Les sensations déplaisantes augmentent un peu, mais pas autant que le matin.

19h30: manger des sandwichs. Anxiété 4, dépression 4.

20h: Allez vous reposer avec la ceinture chauffante.

21h00 :   prazépam 4,75 mg

23 heures: L-tryptophane  200 mg.

 

*****

nausée: seulement au réveil.

Equilibrium problems :  4 on morning an a little an eveving.

visual problems :  no

Bruxism : no

Cold  : only on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : stable..

difficulties for speech  : no

 itchings : no

Today : No nervosity. Weakness and tired all day long. Depersonalisation 2-3 h.

Umpleasant sensation in back, spine, neck, head, dépersonalisation are horrible. 

But the other symptôms were bearable.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega.

 

[Vegalia]

Good evening

 

10 november

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm I felt me always good : 80% normal even if I had symptôms ( bearable)

 

I sleeped : 11. 30 pm to 5.30 am and drowsiness to 8 am. Usual physical symptôms. Umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head hard.

8.15 am : get up , lithium citrate +/- 0,30 mg anxiety 3, dépression 3, cold, sweat.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

11.am : fog in Brain, dépersonalisation, anxiety 6, dépression 5.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

1 pm : eat 

2 pm : depersonalisation begin to reduce. Go to rest with heating belt. Phone my father. Umpleasant sensations to back, neck and head reduce a little. Anxiety 4, dépression 4.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.

4.pm : go to walk 30 mn ! I didn't do it since 1 month I think. So happy. Anxiety 2, dépression 3.

6.pm : umpleasant sensations increase a little, but bot So hard than on morning.

7.30 pm : eat sandwiches. Anxiety 4, dépression 4.

8. pm : Go to rest with heating belt.

9. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : only on wake.

Equilibrium problems :  4 on morning an a little an eveving.

visual problems :  no

Bruxism : no

Cold  : only on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : stable..

difficulties for speech  : no

 itchings : no

Today : No nervosity. Weakness and tired all day long. Depersonalisation 2-3 h.

Umpleasant sensation in back, spine, neck, head, dépersonalisation are horrible. 

But the other symptôms were bearable.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega.

 

PS : sorry for last post, error.

 

[Vegalia]

Good evening

 

11 november

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm I had symptôms but felt me not bad.

 

I sleeped : 11.pm to 6. am and drowsiness to 8 am. Usual physical symptôms. Umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head hard. Very tired all day 

8.15 am : get up , lithium citrate +/- 0,30 mg anxiety 3, dépression 3, cold, sweat.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

11.am : fog in Brain, dépersonalisation, anxiety 6, dépression 5.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

1 pm : eat 

2 pm : depersonalisation begin to reduce. Umpleasant sensations to back, neck and head reduce a little. Anxiety 4, dépression 4.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg., go to test : nap of 20 mn.

4.30 pm get up anxiety 6 dépression 4.

6.pm : umpleasant sensations increase harder than morning. Fog in brain again, confusion.

7.30 pm : eat . Anxiety 4, dépression 4.

8.30 pm : Go to rest with heating belt. Always hard physical symptôms and zap in Brain too...

9. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : only on wake.

Equilibrium problems :  4 on morning an a little an eveving.

visual problems :  several times

Bruxism : 3

Cold  : only on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : stable..

difficulties for speech  : no

 itchings : no

Today : No nervosity. Weakness and tired all day long. Depersonalisation 2 times.

Umpleasant sensation in back, spine, neck, head, dépersonalisation are horrible. 

But the other symptôms were bearable.

I had my periods this morning 

 

*_Since I am in this forum : dépression is always hère but has reduced. Anxiety reduced a little : not hard all day long. I eat a little more, have les hard nausea, les diarrhea.

But : physical symptôms are worse and So hard. In particular I didn't had such horrible sensations in back neck and spine and no dépersonalisation and fog in brain. 

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

I'm still waiting for the answer for a long sick leave. If I do not get it, I have to go back to work part time in 10 days. But I'm inable to do this...

 

Vega.

 

[Vegalia]

Hello,

 

Feel me bad today  : a lot of anxiety since this morning, déréalisation is very hard : it seems to increase the 15 last days Idem : Confusion,, fog in Brain, umpleasant sensations and contractions in back, spine, neck, head, weakness : all seems to increase last 15 days.

 

Nausea all day,  diarrhéa, I'm cold.

 

At 1pm felt me a little nervous during 1_h.

 

This morning I triéd to be a little active : walk 20 mn at 9.30 am, 30 mn gardening  at 11.30 am. 

This afternoon, phone to a friend. I try to change of chain, but...

 

I am les dépressive : good. But if I take all symptôms and base line since 1 month, I feel worse and worse. A lot of memory and cognitive problèms. 

 

Yesterday evening, intrusive image again...

 

I don't know what to do...Always wondering me if increase a little escitalopram could help me.

 

Thanks for your advice @Sassenach, @Shep, @Altostrata.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega 

 

 

 

 

[Altostrata]

What are these unpleasant sensations?

 

23 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Umpleasant sensations to back, neck and head reduce a little.

 

It appears your symptom pattern is stabilizing. What do you think @Shep?

 

It's good that you're getting out a bit more, please try to walk every day.

[Vegalia]

Good evening

 

12 november

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm I had les symptôms but intrusive image (always the sama). However I managed to not be too anxious with it even if it is hard.

 

I sleeped : 11.pm to 5.45. Usual physical symptôms. Umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head hard. Very tired all day 

7.am : get up cause I had to much nausea.

8.15 am : lithium citrate +/- 0,15 mg anxiety 6, dépression 3, arms burnings.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

9.30 am : force me to walk to town hall to give papers with a little dépersonalisation, weakness, anxiety and aches. Anxiety reduced a little at 5. Arms burnings reduced.

11.am : fog in Brain abd  dépersonalisation, increase, anxiety 7, dépression 3.

11.30 am : 30 mn gardening slowly to change of chain.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. 

12.30 : eat 

1 pm : feef me nervous +/- 1 h.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.,anxiety always 7, confusion. 

5 pm : get better. Less dépersonalisation and confudion, anxiety 4. Weakness.

7.30 pm : eat . Anxiety 4, dépression 3

8.15 pm : Go to rest with heating belt. ,,Head ache, itching scalp, shoulders but think on eczema which is worth with cold time. Burnings to arms.

9. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : until 4 pm.

Equilibrium problems :  4 on morning an a little an eveving.

visual problems :  several times

Bruxism : 3

Cold  : until 4 pm.

sensibility to light and noises  : increase

difficulties for speech  : a little.

 

Today : 1 h  nervosity. Weakness and tired all day long. Depersonalisation long time.

Umpleasant sensation in back, spine, neck, head, dépersonalisation , fog in Brain are horrible. 

A lot of anxiety, confusion...  Confusion is a récent symptôm.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

49 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

What are these unpleasant sensations?

 

 

It appears your symptom pattern is stabilizing. What do you think @Shep?

 

It's good that you're getting out a bit more, please try to walk every day.

Hello Altostrata,

 

Umpleasant sensations are :

muscle very contracted, sensations like électricity, a sort of tingling, light spasmes, very difficult to describe : sorry...

I feel that it goes up the whole spine to the head. I already have had  lumbagos : it is not the same things, it's worse and with other types of aches. I can't wear bra anymore...

 

I didn't have it before. And now is very hard Every day but the intensity is not the same all day long. It is an exception when this symptôms is slight all day.

 

I try to walk, not easy with symptôms. But a the less a little walking in garden. I try to move my arms slowly too with exercices.

 

 

Thank you

 

Vega.

[Altostrata]

51 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

Every day but the intensity is not the same all day long.

 

What times of day is the intensity worse?

[Vegalia]

31 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

What times of day is the intensity worse?

The more often early on morning until +/- 10 am and at +/- 6 pm until 9 pm.

 

I can say that this symptôm is a little bit less important when I lie down and with heat.

Heating belt help a little : 1 - 2 times 20 mn/ day.

 

I have this symptôm since +/- 1,5 month. I didn't have it before. 

 

Vega

Edited November 12, 2019 by Vegalia
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[Vegalia]

Hello,

 

*I try to better describe my pains : umpleasant sensations with a web site of pains :

 

My pain is like: electric shocks, irradiation, tingling, numbness, heaviness

My pain looks like: compression, contractions, crushing, burning

My pain affects me because it is: grueling, nauseous, syncopal, painful, unbearable I feel the pain: deep inside my body.

 

Parts of body : 

All back, spine, shoulders, neck (nuque), head, arms, sometimes legs. Sensations of pulsations in nose.

Strange sensations in brain : sometimes zaps, sometimes as I had something in my brain like parasite.

 

- Aches in arms, shoulders and legs are not new. I've got it Every day since on year. They were begining when I started sertraline, but I have never knows if it was indices by sertraline, or my réduction of 75 mg to 37,5 mg of venlafaxine 2 months before, or my tentative to fast taper prazepam. 

  They reduced as son as tapered sertraline and reduced more and gradualy after I stoped to taper sertraline and became slight

They increased again +/- 1,5 month ago.

 

I had sensations of pulsations in nose and headache but not Every days : they hag disappeared since several months. They came back +/- 1,5 ago.

 

 

- The other pains and fog in brain are new  : since +/- 1,5 month, with sensation of weakness and sometimes sensations that I will faint.

I have sometimes spasmes in doulourous part of body : new too since 1,5 months.

 

* During my taper of sertraline I had too : nausea, problèms of equilibrium, visual trouble, I was cold but not constant. It reduced gradualy even if I had a pic 3 weeks after réduction. This symptôms had finally total desapeared and came back since +/- 1,5 months. 

 

* Since one year until 2 months I had no neuro-emotions except nervosity which has well reduced and total deasappeared until june : after 3 month at 25 mg of sertraline. End of june it appeared again. I changed my antidépressant for escitalopram beacause I can't taper sertraline dégressive and précize for technical reasons.

I started with 5 mg of escitalopram and nervosity and sensations of internal agressivity increased very fast.

At 1,5 mg nervosity had totaly desapeared Look how fast I went 5 to 2,25 mg and how I reduced after too . But new symptôme : hard dépression, and after return of anxiety which had desapeared since one year.

Tireness, weakness.

Fog in brain and déréalisation/ dépersonalisation are very récent symptôms.

 

I hope it can help you to understand.

 

Thank you.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

I have feelings of head caught in a vice too. My scalp is sometimes burning.

Until 2 months I Never had intrusive image. They appeared when I have tingling in head or other bad sensation in head.

 

Vega 

[Shep]

15 hours ago, Vegalia said:

The more often early on morning until +/- 10 am and at +/- 6 pm until 9 pm.

 

I can say that this symptôm is a little bit less important when I lie down and with heat.

Heating belt help a little : 1 - 2 times 20 mn/ day.

 

I have this symptôm since +/- 1,5 month. I didn't have it before. 

 

1.5 months ago, you reduced the prazepam and then updosed on September 27. Do you think symptoms are connected to these changes in the benzo?

[Vegalia]

4 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

1.5 months ago, you reduced the prazepam and then updosed on September 27. Do you think symptoms are connected to these changes in the benzo?

 

Hello Shep,

 

I didn't have though of this. I though only on antidépressant...

I think updose benzo was useless.

But now...I dont know if it is connectés with it. How to knows?

 

Do you mean that upgrade of benzo couldt induce such pain and not fast taper of escitalopram ?

 

Vega.

 

[Shep]

2 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

I didn't have though of this. I though only on antidépressant...

I think updose benzo was useless.

But now...I dont know if it is connectés with it. How to knows?

 

Do you mean that upgrade of benzo couldt induce such pain and not fast taper of escitalopram ?

 

Yes, this could be related to the benzo and not the escitalopram. 

 

It may be too late to increase the benzo because benzo updoses need to be done within one month of a change of dose. 

 

But it may explain why it's best not to increase the escitalopram, since increasing the antidepressant may not help with a benzo withdrawal symptom. 

[Vegalia]

2 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Yes, this could be related to the benzo and not the escitalopram. 

 

It may be too late to increase the benzo because benzo updoses need to be done within one month of a change of dose. 

 

But it may explain why it's best not to increase the escitalopram, since increasing the antidepressant may not help with a benzo withdrawal symptom. 

I just go to french forum to read my diary :

I had this symptôms before the updose of prazepam.

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

1 hour ago, Shep said:

 

Yes, this could be related to the benzo and not the escitalopram. 

 

It may be too late to increase the benzo because benzo updoses need to be done within one month of a change of dose. 

 

But it may explain why it's best not to increase the escitalopram, since increasing the antidepressant may not help with a benzo withdrawal symptom. 

I just go to french forum to read my diary :

I had this symptôms before the updose of prazepam.

 

@Shep I wrote on 19 september  on french forum :

 

 

Hello It seems I'm getting depressed? The more you go, the longer I spend in the dark. The courage to do anything, even to eat is complicated, I force myself to wash. However, I am still in a state of extreme general weakness. Extreme fatigue ++ always. It's a little better in the evening. Unpleasant sensations in the head that persist with headaches, jaw pain, pain in the limbs and back that increase and today it burns down. My back is blocked and it gives me vertigo: for the back it has happened to me before the psychotropic several times when my digestive system deconnait at full strength) I have absolutely nothing draining even in small quantities for ten days. However my body is purged all alone: transit as already mentioned and in addition I see that the food is bad, not even digested (sorry for this detail), I very often urinate, I often sweat a lot without doing anything. I have to drain with this general imbalance of my body. I have already considered for a few days to extend my level of AD longer if no annoyance and make perhaps smaller decreases. Patience, because if I drains temporarily everything is skewed. Kisses

 

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I dont have sensation that is a withdrawall symptôm of benzo...

Last benzo reduce was on 9 september : 3% current dose.

i didn't have such symptôms during my benzo taper before.

 

Thank you Shep.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

 

13 november

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm I felt good : what a chance. Only little symptôms.

 

I sleeped : 11.30 am to 5.45.am. Usual physical symptôms. Umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head hard. Very tired all day 

7.am : get up cause I had to much nausea. Arms burning, I'm cold (still all day)

8.15 am : lithium citrate +/- 0,10 mg : last day of lithium, anxiety 3, depression 3

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10. am : anxiety 4, dépression 5. 

11.am : fog in Brain and dépersonalisation but not severe. Dépression 6, ruminations. Back very contracted.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,5 mg. est a banana and bread.

2 pm déréalisation become to reduce. Anxiety increase 6, ruminations again. Very upset by several things. Shamefull to complain me hère and for my bad english who makes all complicated for everyone. ". Affraid that my companion think I am crazy and doesn't loves me anymore. How can he love me in this bad state that he can''t understand...Feel me as a monster even if I know I'm a good person. And other problèms..Despair.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.

4 pm : Terror. I must sée doctor to prescrive me kinesitherapy at 7. pm. Affraid to get out and to drive 9 km by night. Ball in stomach.

5.30 pm : go to lie with heating belt. Try to calme me.... Very hard headache.

6.30. pm : go to sée doctor : I did it. Anxiety 7.

7.45 pm : eat . Anxiety 6, dépression 6. Feel me zéro (je me sens nulle). Anxious for my couple. Took  1 mg paracétamol.

8.15 pm : Go to rest with heating belt. Back and neck Ever very contracted. My scalp is burning. Pulsations in nose. Sadness...

9. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : several times.

Equilibrium problems :  not a lot

visual problems :  several times

Bruxism : 3

Cold  : several times

sensibility to light and noises  : increase

difficulties for speech  : no

 

Today :No  nervosity. Weakness and tired all day long. Depersonalisation not a lot.

Umpleasant sensation in back, spine, neck, head, are horrible. I didn't nothing to try to changé of channel, I smoked all day long : shame. 😣

A lot of anxiety and dépression. Affraid... I am sorry and shamefull to ask a lot at the personal hère.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega

[Shep]

17 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm I felt good : what a chance. Only little symptôms.

 

I sleeped : 11.30 am to 5.45.am. Usual physical symptôms. Umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head hard. Very tired all day 

7.am : get up cause I had to much nausea. Arms burning, I'm cold (still all day)

8.15 am : lithium citrate +/- 0,10 mg : last day of lithium, anxiety 3, depression 3

 

This is a good update, Vega. 

 

Please hold for a few days and stabilize and let us know how you're feeling without lithium. 

[Vegalia]

4 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

This is a good update, Vega. 

 

Please hold for a few days and stabilize and let us know how you're feeling without lithium. 

.Hello Shep,

 

For lithium it is not like lithium carbonate. But only a complément lithium citrate trace élément. Very low dose, not a médicament. It did me nothing the 2 other times I stoped it and I dindn't stop it gradualy.

 

Yesterday evening was bad,  today too. Hope of better days.

 

Have a good day.

 

Thank you.

 

Vega

Edited November 14, 2019 by Vegalia
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[Vegalia]

I want to be honest with you: in panic today, I made an update at 1.75 mg. I immédiately regreted it. 2 hours after I have less aches, but I feel elsewhere, as if my brain were extinguished. Sorry, I paniced. Panic is a bad adwicer, I know it...

 

Since several days I feel more and more cognitives problèms ..as I was really ill, as my brain didn't want to work anymore. It scare me. But I know that is drugs. 

 

Vega.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Vegalia

[Vegalia]

13 november

 

Yesterday  evening after 9 pm : ball in stomach : aches and umpleasant sensations to neck, back spine, head hard. (Think heating belt is finally not a good idea or too hot) sensation i will to faint.

 

I sleeped : 11.30 am to 5.30 am. Usual physical symptôms. Umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head hard. Very tired all day 

7.am : get up cause I had to much nausea. Arms burning, I'm cold (still all day)

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10. am : anxiety 4, dépression 4 : the same all day.

11.am : fog in Brain and dépersonalisation, ruminations. Back very contracted.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,75 mg. eat.

2 pm : aches reduced but feel me like a zombie, as my brain was anesthesied.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.

4 pm : Feel me good : less neuro-emotion, no DR/ DP.

5.30 pm : a lot of aches and bad sensations to back, spine, neck, head....

7.30 eat 

8.15 pm : Go to rest with heating belt. Back and neck always very contracted. Zap in brain.

9. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg

11pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : only on morning.

Equilibrium problems :  not a lot

visual problems :  several times

Bruxism : 3

Cold  : only on morning.

sensibility to light and noises  : stable

difficulties for speech  : no

Today : bad 11.30 am too 4 pm.

physical symptôms with back, spine, neck, head very hard end of morning and after 5 pm. Harder than I Never have. Hope kine van help me a little : go tomorrow.

Anxiety and dépression bereable.

 

Tomorrow is another day

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

15 november (last post date was 14 november)

 

14 nov after 9 pm. Aches, symptôms but not So bad. 

 

I sleeped : 12 am to 5.30 am but bad sleep : slight. I woke with umpleasant sensations in spine, neck and head not very hard. Hard nausea.

7.am : get up cause I had to much nausea. Arms burning, I'm cold (still all day) 

8.am : physical symptôms reduce. Anxiety 3, dépression 4.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

11.am : fog in Brain and dépersonalisation, feel like my brain was anesthesied until 4 pm.Back very contracted.

Noon :  escitalopram 1,75 mg. eat.

1. pm : kinésithérapy very mild.

3. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg.

4 pm : Feel me better.

5.30 pm : a lot of aches and bad sensations to back, spine, neck, head....Horrible. Nausea.ball in stomach. 

7.30 eat 

8.15 pm : Go to rest. Back and neck always very contracted. Zap in brain, nausea.

9. pm :  prazepam 4,75 mg : physical symptôms horrible. Despair.m : 8 Lost with my médications, affraid to lost all in my life. 

11.30 pm : L-tryptophan 200 mg.

 

*****

nausea : a lot.

Equilibrium problems :  not a lot

visual problems :  no

Bruxism : 5

sensibility to light and noises  : reduce

difficulties for speech  : a little.

Today : bad 11.30 am too 4 pm.

physical symptôms with back, spine, neck, head very hard after 5 pm. Can't stand it anymore.

 

Vega.

 

[Vegalia]

Hello,

 

It is 16 novembre 7 am :

 

Sleep : 12. pm to 5 pm with several wakes. Very slight sleep. woke with legs aches which not during long time. 5.30 : very hard nausea, ball in stomach. Can't sleep anymore. Despair, suicidal ideas: first time. 

If only symptôms in my spine, neck, back and physical sensations in head could be a little slightly...

 

6.40 : get up.

Nausea and ball in stomach horrible. Arms burnings a lot. Spine, back, neck too. Sensation of electricty in head slight.Spasmes in muscle : back and arms.

Despair : 8, dépression 8.

I think I Never feeled So bad. Affraid to be in the same state long, long time. Affraid  of lost everything in my life, afraid my companion will not be with me anymore. Affraid one day I will forced to go in hospital.

 

I think my body, my digestive système never had never tolerated escitalopram. I think I lost maybe 6-7 kg.

I hoped1,75 mg escitalopram will be better. I' m not sûre now and I regret. I'm lost.

 

Yesterday, my companion asked me if I wanted go today with him in a move (change of house) "déménagement" on a friend this morning. First time he ask me to do sôme activity since...maybe two month : dispair to say him : I'd like to, but I can't.

He is disapointed and me dispaired.

 

My father phoned mme yesterday : feel me gulty to not be able to visite him. He is in hospital. I visite d him 3 times on 1,5 year. He his very, very ill. With hard care (chimio), surgeries... very dépendant. I can't doing anything to support him : just téléphone since so long time

 

I'm lost and scared : life destroyed with antidepressant...and So much regret to have change my antidépressant...

Regret to not have try to support anxiety much time when I tried to stop xanax 0,125 mg x 2 a day after only 10 days after start it. Regret to not have stop antidépressant 4 days after Start as I thought. Regrets, regrets,scare...

I know thèse bad things makes my situation worse. I loose courage...I loose hope. I have no life anymore...since more on  one year, I am at home, I can't work anymore. I am isolate. I lost autonomy, I will never have child... Affraid to loose my work, my house, my mind.

 

Qui va s'occuper de moi? Personne...

 

Affraid to not be saved...

 

-->" My drugs are my problèm." I thinking on drugs all day long and how to not have unbearable sufferings with it.

Dont understand why I loose courage. Life can be So beautifull ! I know it.

 

Sorry.

 

Vega.

 

"C'est dans la rosée des petites choses que le coeur trouve son matin et se rafraîchit."

 

Khalil Gibran

 

 

"It is in the dew of little things that the heart finds its morning and refreshes itself." Khalil Gibran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

I took back 1.50 mg. I think that the majority of my symptoms are a problem of AD and not of benzo:I am almost 100 ℅ sure.

In spite of that no one did propose me of update of the escitalopram: surely for a very good reason. So...

 

I also think that my brain is changing because some symptoms have reduced. It is the terrible feelings in the spine and the brain that got worse and the récent fog in brain with DR/ DP that scared me too much. Does it mean that my brain is damaged or healed? That's the question ...

 

if fog in brain and DR/ DP were not appeared recently, if sensations in spine and head were not worse and worse, If I didn't have more and more problems of memory and confusion, I didn't ask me to updose or not.

 

I hope to do well ? Yes or not?

But I also know that with what I did in July: 10 days of stupidity ... all bets are open : is the reason of my despair...

 

Thank you so much.

 

Vega.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Vegalia
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