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Hello Everyone,

 

I'm a new member of this forum and since I've been warned by AltoStrata, I start a topic to introduce myself

 

I have been on medication since February 2017, initially on Seroplex 10mg which was gradually increased to 20mg.

In Novemeber 2017, i quitted cold turkey Seroplex and felt horrible for about a month when i decided it was time to reinstate.

A month later, in spite of reinstatement symptoms would not seem to alleviate so GP put me on Effexor 75mg.

I took both Seroplex 20mg and Effexor 75mg for nearly 4 months before my symptoms went away and I started to feel better than I have ever felt.

At this time, I still do not know if this was due to Seroplex reinstatement or the fact that i was put on Effexor.

 

In May 2018, I started to taper Seroplex very slowly before i quitted completely in January 2019, no withdrawal symptom at all..

Maybe it was because i was on Effexor ? Or maybe because since i tried to taper Seroplex once already, my nervous system rejected it and it was kind of like i took no seroplex? Don't know if i'm clear enough.

Once Seroplex has benn tapered, i decided it was time to Effexor to be tapered as well.

 

In April 2019, I took about 56mg instead of 75mg : no WD symptom.

In May 2019, I took 37,5mg instead of 56mg : no WD symptom.

In June 2019, I took about 18mg instead of 37,5mg : a few WD symptoms but well tolerated.

I thought I was finally free of medication : what a mistake. 2 or 3 weeks later I started to have horrible headaches, panic attack so i decided to reinstate a small dose of effexor. Since like symptoms would not seem to alleviate I reinstated completely Effexor in Mid August.

I started to experience the classical Waves and Windows pattern, it's been nearly 3 months and I'm still in that Waves and Windows phase.

 

I don't know if my reinstatement is working.

I don't know if I should add another drug like i did for seroplex.

I don't know how long it's going to last.

I'm lost.

I need help.

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Hi Subzero, As Brassmonkey said,  so  many members suffer from this. For me recently it seems to happen in every wave. In fact now I think about it, it’s absence is the indicator that I’m in a wi

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A moderator will be in here soon to help you out. We are all volunteers with full lives and many of us dealing with our own withdrawal here, so please be patient.

 

If the history you have described is your only history with psychiatric drugs, I think you have a good chance of being able to come off the Effexor. I think you just went too fast at the lower doses. The lower doses actually have to be tapered more slowly than high doses. Here is why:

 

You have tapered off one drug and then tapered down fast from another one in a fairly short time, and you have been hit with delayed withdrawal, which is common with antidepressants. 

 

Please clarify what date you quit taking Effexor completely and what date you reinstated and what dose you reinstated at. Also please put your drug history into your "signature" line like this

 

This will make it easier for people to see your history right away rather than having to dig around the forum for it.

 

You are going to be okay. It is probably going to take a lot longer than you would like, however, and it will be a rocky road. And if you add in other meds and change meds, it can just extend the suffering, so please do not change any meds right now until some moderators have had a chance to weigh in.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                   1

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Thank you very much for your answer

 

I quitted Effexor completely on July 1st

I reinstated a small amount of drug ( that is to say like 8 beads when a capsule contains about 100 beads ) at the end of July ( like the 27 )

I reinstated 37,5mg on August 15th

I have been on Effexor 37,5mg since.

 

I understand you all have your lives and your own withdrawal to handle that's why i'm sorry if my post seemed a bit supplicant

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Also when you say, it's gonna take long do you have an idea how long it's gonna take ? I'm very afraid that my reinstatement may not be working and to be stuck in withdrawal for years.....

If someone else could give his opinion I'd be very grateful.

Thanks by advance

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Up, isnt' there anyone else here ?

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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On 11/9/2019 at 8:40 AM, Subzero42 said:

Also when you say, it's gonna take long do you have an idea how long it's gonna take

 

Unfortunately, there is no way to predict how long it will take to recover.  It is different for everybody.  As Rhiannon said, healing will happen but it's likely going to take longer than any of us would like. 

 

We are a site for going off drugs and as such we don't recommend adding other drugs.

 

What are your symptoms?

 

Why do you feel your reinstatement isn't working?

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of June 15: 10.5mgai.  Taper is  44% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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51 minutes ago, Gridley said:

 

Unfortunately, there is no way to predict how long it will take to recover.  It is different for everybody.  As Rhiannon said, healing will happen but it's likely going to take longer than any of us would like. 

 

We are a site for going off drugs and as such we don't recommend adding other drugs.

 

What are your symptoms?

 

Why do you feel your reinstatement isn't working?

 

For about two months, I was in a sort of rollercoaster, I could feel terrible at a moment and great a few hours later.

But since the beginning of October, things are different : I don't have physical symptoms like I had a few weeks ago ( headache, anxiety, vividous dreams, feeling of depersonalization... ) unfortunately i don't have time where I feel good either. That's what makes me think that reinstatement may have not worked.

I feel like myself but a diminished myself : not as confident, as happy and enthousiatic as my old self. I have hard time to get concentrate through college class.

It is a bit intriguing because things ain't  supposed to get better as time goes on?

 

Pardon my mistakes ( European ) and thanks for your reply

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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1 minute ago, Subzero42 said:

 

It is a bit intriguing because things ain't  supposed to get better as time goes on?

 

Your description of a rollercoaster is very accurate.  Things get better but very, very gradually.  The journey is up and down, what we call windows (good days or portions of days) and waves (bad days).

 

The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

Reinstatement, unfortunately, doesn't eliminate withdrawal symptoms but rather makes them tolerable.

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of June 15: 10.5mgai.  Taper is  44% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Hello, 

 

Two weeks ago, I took by mistake 2 pills of effexor instead of one, I don't know if this is a coincidence or not but I had a big relief the days following. I took again 2 pills last monday ( knowingly this time ) and again, big relief 

 

Should I consider updose to 75mg ? Or less , reinstate only a few beads more ?

 

I am aware that you don't recommend adding drugs that's why I hope this post won't be mistaken.

 

I'm waiting for your advice and thanks by advance

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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I finally stayed on 37,5mg of Effexor, had a bad reaction on 75mg after two days.

I consider using this topic as a daily journal to post how I feel every day

 

This evening i’m going to sum up the day in terms of feeling and symptoms ( no that anyone cares but It will help )

 

Thanks for those who helped me anyway

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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4 months after reinstatement, still suffering...

I wish I had never start medication

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Hi Subzero

 

I just discovered your thread. I'm sorry you had such a rollercoaster, I know how tiring it is!

 

- You said you aren't in a rollercoaster anymore but more in "blah " feeling, je that still current ?

As Gridley said, stabilisation doesnt mean no symptoms, but tolerable symptoms. 

 

- I know how 4 months Feels like eternity, but in terms of stabilisation it is not very long. 

You've gone through the bumpy ride and sound like you're feeling more stabilised, it seems you're on the good path :)

 

could you describe how your symptoms changed in 4 months ? What kind of improvements have you seen ?

 

Good evening 

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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48 minutes ago, Erell said:

- You said you aren't in a rollercoaster anymore but more in "blah " feeling, je that still current ?

 

It is, except that since mid November I begin to have clear windows where I feel like my old self, I'm in a wave since Saturday afternoon though, I hope a window will soon appear.

 

55 minutes ago, Erell said:

As Gridley said, stabilisation doesnt mean no symptoms, but tolerable symptoms. 

 

That is what scares me actually, I'm afraid of the time required before I feel back to myself

 

57 minutes ago, Erell said:

could you describe how your symptoms changed in 4 months ? What kind of improvements have you seen ?

 

For the first two months after reinstatement, that is to say between mid August and mid October, I was in a rollercoaster where I could feel worse than ever the morning and better than ever the evening and I experienced all classical discontinuation symptoms :

 

- Horrible headache ( Now tolerable )

- Panic Attack ( only at the very beginning )

- Nightmares ( Now just dreams a bit strange )

- Feeling of  depersonalization ( not anymore )

- Strange sense of smell

- Unexpected thoughts

- Depression ( only since Mid october where I thought it was a relapse when i realized it was WD )

- Flu like symptoms ( mostly gone )

- Brain zaps ( mostly gone)

 

On one hand, I have times when I feel like I'm on the way of healing, but on the other hand, I have days where symptoms worsenend and I think I'm never gonna make it.

Overall, I have a feeling of latent anxiety when I'm afraid of what is gonna come next

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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On 12/12/2019 at 9:21 PM, Subzero42 said:

 

It is, except that since mid November I begin to have clear windows where I feel like my old self, I'm in a wave since Saturday afternoon though, I hope a window will soon appear.

On one hand, I have times when I feel like I'm on the way of healing, but on the other hand, I have days where symptoms worsenend and I think I'm never gonna make it.

Overall, I have a feeling of latent anxiety when I'm afraid of what is gonna come next

 

You are clearly healing dear : you sound like in a windows and waves pattern, and feeling like you oldself is a very good sign ! ❤️

Anxiety and despair are WD symptoms : as time passes, they will fade and you will have more time while you feel like your oldself :)

 

On 12/12/2019 at 9:21 PM, Subzero42 said:

 

That is what scares me actually, I'm afraid of the time required before I feel back to myself

I utterly understand, I feel the same. But when I notice that im scared about the time required I wonder : what else can I do? What are my other options?

Clearly, none. So I try to accept that it will take time and that patience is required. Acceptance is the key, I truly believe it, even if I struggle to apply it to myself ;)

 

You really seem to be on the good path, you'll get better eventually  :)

 

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Diary feeling, 

 

8am : Woke up and took Effexor 37,5mg

8 - 10am : Felt quite good although a bit Anxious.

10am - 1pm : Felt very good

1pm - 3pm : Felt a bit anxious and depressed

3pm - 5pm : Felt depressed and tired, stayed in bed.

5pm - 9pm : Felt rather good although a bit depressed but nothing compared to a few hours ago

 

It’s the first time I make a feeling report but I try to make it more often from now on

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Diary Thursday December 17th

 

- 8am : Took Effexor 37,5mg

- 8am - 1pm : Sleep

- 1pm - 8pm : Felt good

- 8pm - 10pm : Irritability, anger, headache

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Did not take Effexor today, my alarm didn’t wake me up

 

Had depressed feelings all day long

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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In a wave again, depressed feeling, despair....

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Hi Subzero, 

 

Have you noticed if there were a relation between your waves of despair and your menstrual cycle? 

 

Sending you sweet hugs ❤️

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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3 hours ago, Erell said:

Hi Subzero, 

 

Have you noticed if there were a relation between your waves of despair and your menstrual cycle? 

 

Sending you sweet hugs ❤️

 

I am a boy actually

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Don't know why,  I thought you were a woman  😄

Sorry for the mistake !

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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On 12/24/2019 at 8:42 PM, Subzero42 said:

Did not take Effexor today, my alarm didn’t wake me up

Hi Subzero

 

Why did you not take your effexor as soon as you woke.

We recommend taking meds at the same time every day but a couple of hours late is better than missing altogether.

However we have all missed doses from time but it does have an effect for a few days.

As you were feeling better in the days before you should return to that in a few days.

 

 

Sassenach

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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22 hours ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Subzero

 

Why did you not take your effexor as soon as you woke.

We recommend taking meds at the same time every day but a couple of hours late is better than missing altogether.

However we have all missed doses from time but it does have an effect for a few days.

As you were feeling better in the days before you should return to that in a few days.

 

 

Sassenach

 

When I woke up, it was almost four hours after when I take my dose usually, but i don’t think my depressed feelings is due to this missed dose anyway

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Diary Feeling

 

- A wave started last Saturday, I felt worse during one week.

- Now it seems to improve, i think a window is slowly opening 

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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On 12/28/2019 at 6:38 PM, Subzero42 said:

 

When I woke up, it was almost four hours after when I take my dose usually, but i don’t think my depressed feelings is due to this missed dose anyway

 

Hi Subzero, 

 

as Sassenach said, even if it was 4hours later than usual, better for your CNS stability to take your dose rather than to skip it.

 

I'm glad to read that a window is coming for you :)

 

Enjoy !

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Feeling kind of weird these last days, I feel in a way i didn’t felt before, does that mean that a new stage of healing is coming ?

 

Also, I have noticed a pattern in my symptom evolution, kind of like I have one week « on » and one week « off ».

Does anyone else observe this pattern ?

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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15 hours ago, Subzero42 said:

Feeling kind of weird these last days, I feel in a way i didn’t felt before, does that mean that a new stage of healing is coming 

Changes are good, it may mean that your CNS is working on other adjustments :)

15 hours ago, Subzero42 said:

Also, I have noticed a pattern in my symptom evolution, kind of like I have one week « on » and one week « off ».

Does anyone else observe this pattern ?

We all have different patterns, yours sound pretty good : your CNS seems To work pretty fast with these weekly change. Feeling 'on' every two weeks sounds like a good ratio ! :)

 

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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5 Months of Reinstatement

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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During Windows :

«  I will definitely make it »

 

During Waves :

« I’m never gonna make it »

 

Which one is right ?

 

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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On 11/7/2019 at 4:55 PM, Subzero42 said:

Hello Everyone,

 

I'm a new member of this forum and since I've been warned by AltoStrata, I start a topic to introduce myself

 

I have been on medication since February 2017, initially on Seroplex 10mg which was gradually increased to 20mg.

In Novemeber 2017, i quitted cold turkey Seroplex and felt horrible for about a month when i decided it was time to reinstate.

A month later, in spite of reinstatement symptoms would not seem to alleviate so GP put me on Effexor 75mg.

I took both Seroplex 20mg and Effexor 75mg for nearly 4 months before my symptoms went away and I started to feel better than I have ever felt.

At this time, I still do not know if this was due to Seroplex reinstatement or the fact that i was put on Effexor.

 

In May 2018, I started to taper Seroplex very slowly before i quitted completely in January 2019, no withdrawal symptom at all..

Maybe it was because i was on Effexor ? Or maybe because since i tried to taper Seroplex once already, my nervous system rejected it and it was kind of like i took no seroplex? Don't know if i'm clear enough.

Once Seroplex has benn tapered, i decided it was time to Effexor to be tapered as well.

 

In April 2019, I took about 56mg instead of 75mg : no WD symptom.

In May 2019, I took 37,5mg instead of 56mg : no WD symptom.

In June 2019, I took about 18mg instead of 37,5mg : a few WD symptoms but well tolerated.

I thought I was finally free of medication : what a mistake. 2 or 3 weeks later I started to have horrible headaches, panic attack so i decided to reinstate a small dose of effexor. Since like symptoms would not seem to alleviate I reinstated completely Effexor in Mid August.

I started to experience the classical Waves and Windows pattern, it's been nearly 3 months and I'm still in that Waves and Windows phase.

 

I don't know if my reinstatement is working.

I don't know if I should add another drug like i did for seroplex.

I don't know how long it's going to last.

I'm lost.

I need help.

For which condition you took you medication? Depression anxiety disorders? And why do you quit so fast and cold turkey?

AD: Seroxat since 2005 20 mg and tapering from March 2018 10% every 4 weeks.

15-11-2019 down to 5.5 mg 

28-12-2019 crashed really bad on 5.5mg 

01-01-2020 updose to 7mg

16-01-2020 Updose to 9 mg

 

Benzos: Bromazepam 1.5 mg daily since 2015

Quit CT Bromazepam 16-01-2020 No withdrawals 

Occasionally 1.5 mg extra

Last extra 1.5 mg 12-01-2020

 

 

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10 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

For which condition you took you medication? Depression anxiety disorders? And why do you quit so fast and cold turkey?

 

I suffered depression since June 2016, that’s why I was put on Seroplex in the first place, after 9 months I felt like I didn’t need it anymore and I quit cold turkey since I had never heard of withdrawal before

 

Concernig Effexor, I naively thought that a few months taper would be enough which wasn’t so I was back into WD again

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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6 minutes ago, Subzero42 said:

 

I suffered depression since June 2016, that’s why I was put on Seroplex in the first place, after 9 months I felt like I didn’t need it anymore and I quit cold turkey since I had never heard of withdrawal before

 

Concernig Effexor, I naively thought that a few months taper would be enough which wasn’t so I was back into WD again

Are you doing psychotherapy or any other therapy? Those drugs only ease symptoms but don't cure depression or any other condition. You still need to found root of your depression.

AD: Seroxat since 2005 20 mg and tapering from March 2018 10% every 4 weeks.

15-11-2019 down to 5.5 mg 

28-12-2019 crashed really bad on 5.5mg 

01-01-2020 updose to 7mg

16-01-2020 Updose to 9 mg

 

Benzos: Bromazepam 1.5 mg daily since 2015

Quit CT Bromazepam 16-01-2020 No withdrawals 

Occasionally 1.5 mg extra

Last extra 1.5 mg 12-01-2020

 

 

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7 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

Are you doing psychotherapy or any other therapy? Those drugs only ease symptoms but don't cure depression or any other condition. You still need to found root of your depression.

 

That’s what I’m working on for the last 3 years, on a other subjet I don’t think this drugs help easing Depression symptoms.

Actually, I wish I had never start them

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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Still withdrawal, how long will it last ?

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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It’s been nearly 6 months that I reinstated Effexor now, I’m still suffering, does that mean that it didn’t work or should I just wait longer ?

2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg.

2017 May : Lexapro 20mg.

2017 Nov : CT Lexapro

2017 Dec Reinstated Lexapro 20mg.

2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75

May to December : Taper Lexapro 

2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg

2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg

2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg

2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg.

2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor

 

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1 hour ago, Subzero42 said:

It’s been nearly 6 months that I reinstated Effexor now, I’m still suffering, does that mean that it didn’t work or should I just wait longer ?

6-8 weeks is needed to see improvements on antidepressants but 6 months without any is too long.

AD: Seroxat since 2005 20 mg and tapering from March 2018 10% every 4 weeks.

15-11-2019 down to 5.5 mg 

28-12-2019 crashed really bad on 5.5mg 

01-01-2020 updose to 7mg

16-01-2020 Updose to 9 mg

 

Benzos: Bromazepam 1.5 mg daily since 2015

Quit CT Bromazepam 16-01-2020 No withdrawals 

Occasionally 1.5 mg extra

Last extra 1.5 mg 12-01-2020

 

 

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