Snorky: Reinstatement of amitriptyline

[Colonial]

23 minutes ago, Snorky said:

Can you honestly say that two small bottles of beer or a glass of wine is guaranteed to increase episodes of insomnia, a la my situation. I’ve been getting these episodes, whether imbibing or not?

 

Yes, with a Central nervous system so destabilized, its almost a certain guarantee

[Snorky]

1 minute ago, Colonial said:

 

Yes

But how does that argument apply when same intensity of symptoms with zero alcohol?

[Colonial]

1 minute ago, Snorky said:

But how does that argument apply when same intensity of symptoms with zero alcohol?

 

You have no idea how it's interacting with the over all CNS or how delayed a reaction it will give, etc.

It might not complicate things for days, or complicate it when other high stress issues are spiked up.

That's why any other drug use, like a xanax here or there, should be listed on daily symptom charts, to look for patterns over time.

But since I don't think you've been doing them, no one who might have clearer thinking than you right now can objectively look through them for clues

 

[Colonial]

5 minutes ago, Snorky said:

But how does that argument apply when same intensity of symptoms with zero alcohol?

 

You havent had the same intensity, you just reported the no sleeping at all for the first time

[Snorky]

2 minutes ago, Colonial said:

 

You have no idea how it's interacting with the over all CNS or how delayed a reaction it will give, etc.

It might not complicate things for days, or complicate it when other high stress issues are spiked up.

That's why any other drug use, like a xanax here or there, should be listed on daily symptom charts, to look for patterns over time.

But since I don't think you've been doing them, no one who might have clearer thinking than you right now can objectively look through them for clues

 

No other drugs involved. Tried magnesium glycinate (only 25mg) but stopped as seemed to be sensitive to this. 

[Snorky]

10 minutes ago, Colonial said:

 

You havent had the same intensity, you just reported the no sleeping at all for the first time

Ok. I meant previous nights have seen v long periods of insomnia without any alcohol. Certainly true that Saturday was first night (I think) with zero sleep, following two small bottles of beer.

[Colonial]

11 minutes ago, Snorky said:

Ok. I meant previous nights have seen v long periods of insomnia without any alcohol. Certainly true that Saturday was first night (I think) with zero sleep, following two small bottles of beer.

 

Ok, well, hopefully it will settle down soon then. 

But you can see how something so simple as a few drinks "could" cause a problem, and then your in despair making statements along the line of:

"I guess I should just accept this is the new normal", etc.

 

Well, hopefully it will settle down in a few days, then. 🙂

[mstimc]

On 4/25/2020 at 3:36 PM, ChessieCat said:

 

We can learn how to deal with our thought patterns.  However the first thing is to recognise how we react to our thought patterns.  Not long before I started tapering I did an online Cognitive Behaviour Therapy course and I have benefited immensely from what I learned.  I'm now 62 and wish that I had learned this when I was a teenager.  Even when something is a fact/real there are different ways in which we can respond to the situation we are currently in.

 

Nobody can learn these things on your behalf.  Only you can do it.

 

Do yourself a favour and check these out.  There might be something there that can make some difference to how you cope with what you are experiencing.

 

UNHELPFUL THINKING HABITS or Cognitive Distortions:  https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/unhelpful.htm

 

ABOUT AUTOMATIC THOUGHTS - DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK !!:  https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/thoughts.htm

 

Learning how to handle our thinking in a better way can help to reduce stress and anxiety.  There is a diagram on this page that shows how anxiety affects the body.  https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/anxiety.htm

 

COGNITIVE BEHAVIOUR THERAPY What is CBT and how can it help?:  https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/cbt.htm

 

21 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

This is an excellent example of catastrophic thinking.

 

It's a feeling, not a fact.

 

Snorky, are you seeing a common issue in all of these quotes?  

[Snorky]

58 minutes ago, mstimc said:

 

 

Snorky, are you seeing a common issue in all of these quotes?  

Catastrophic thinking l certainly plead guilty to this. Allowing Intrusive thoughts and ruminating-also guilty. Mine don’t tend to be of the “I feel guilty about x, It’s my fault that y has happened etc”. Mine are exclusively about describing symptoms, which is probably equally destructive.

 

Having said all that, the most recent exchange we had was about plan to taper following reinstatement. Did you see my response to you on that.?

[mstimc]

7 minutes ago, Snorky said:

Catastrophic thinking l certainly plead guilty to this. Allowing Intrusive thoughts and ruminating-also guilty. Mine don’t tend to be of the “I feel guilty about x, It’s my fault that y has happened etc”. Mine are exclusively about describing symptoms, which is probably equally destructive.

 

Having said all that, the most recent exchange we had was about plan to taper following reinstatement. Did you see my response to you on that.?

Yes, I did see your response, which wasn't really a plan and mostly a rehash of your symptoms.  Most of your interactions with members who are trying to help turn into circular discussions of your symptomology  and whether or not to reinstate, plus your unwillingness to confront your catastrophic thinking patterns.  After all of our discussions, I'm still unsure what you expect from us or even from yourself.

[mstimc]

Snorky. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel bad.  You need to treat your catastrophic thinking with the same concern you devote to your symptoms.  They are linked and one will not improve unless you work on the other, too.  Believe me; when I was caught in that trap, I'd move from one physical ailment to another until I realized that I, either  consciously or subconsciously needed for something to be wrong with me.  It was almost like I was having an internal dialogue;  "Okay, I got rid of the chest pains; what can I find next?". There just had to be a reason for my physical sensations.  Except there wasn't.  It was withdrawal and anxiety/OCD.  I encourage you to give that some thought as you make decisions about your recovery. 

[Altostrata]

Snorky, you need to join patientslikeme.com or depressionforums.com for endless venting, or hire a therapist.

 

You've worn us out. Good luck.

[getofflex]

Mod note: conversation dating 12/7/19 - 12/13/19 was moved from Symptoms and Self Care to this Intro.