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I am really struggling with a wave of depression and anxiety that has lasted almost a month now. 

Wanting to cry all. the. time.

No other symptoms, nothing physical except continued handfuls of hair falling out.

Have had a problem with sleep, only 5-6 hours some nights.

Otherwise, all was on the up and up until I hit this thing. 

Felt totally normal.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Not on any meds, just occasional magnesium and fish oil for sleep.

(I am thinking my body may have changed again and these may be the culprits?)

 

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Leo1983

im asking this question now.

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Onmyway
On 12/1/2019 at 2:06 PM, Tweet said:

I am really struggling with a wave of depression and anxiety that has lasted almost a month now. 

Wanting to cry all. the. time.

No other symptoms, nothing physical except continued handfuls of hair falling out.

Have had a problem with sleep, only 5-6 hours some nights.

Otherwise, all was on the up and up until I hit this thing. 

Felt totally normal.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Not on any meds, just occasional magnesium and fish oil for sleep.

(I am thinking my body may have changed again and these may be the culprits?)

 

Hi Tweet, hair falling out may indicate vitamin D deficiency. I think that can also contribute to mood issues. I'd check it out if you can.

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Junglechicken

I'm at 18 months since my final dose of Lexapro, and am suffering from WD symptoms. So yes, it is.

 

Hair loss has been an issue for me throughout WD.  I also have trichotillomania (done this my whole life).

 

It can also be due to hormonal changes and vit deficiencies.

 

 

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Hi. It was a wave. So much better now!😁

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On 1/15/2020 at 5:55 AM, Onmyway said:

Hi Tweet, hair falling out may indicate vitamin D deficiency. I think that can also contribute to mood issues. I'd check it out if you can.

Thanks😊. Already checked and been taking. Also thyroid is fine. I'm thinking high cortisol may be the culprit. Nothing to help that, though! 🙁 

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On 1/16/2020 at 1:50 AM, Junglechicken said:

I'm at 18 months since my final dose of Lexapro, and am suffering from WD symptoms. So yes, it is.

 

Hair loss has been an issue for me throughout WD.  I also have trichotillomania (done this my whole life).

 

It can also be due to hormonal changes and vit deficiencies.

 

 

Tried to get hormones checked but since I had a hysterectomy it's not possible to get checked by saliva.

Also, all I need right now is to get hormonal about things lol.😨😁

Thanks for the reply. If you find any solutions, please share!!❤️

 

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Onmyway
44 minutes ago, Tweet said:

Thanks😊. Already checked and been taking. Also thyroid is fine. I'm thinking high cortisol may be the culprit. Nothing to help that, though! 🙁 

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ways-to-lower-cortisol

 

This made me laugh. It has ways of lowering cortisol including advice such as: "be happy" and "be your best self" and "sleep better". Granted, there are some useful things as well - the usual deep breathing etc. I remember people talking about some supplement or other in the cortisol group but I haven't tried it. I'm sorry you're going through this 18 months out. Hope it's one of those short lived 🌊 s.

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ColdTurkeySoup

Hello, 

 

I hope everyone is feeling some improvement and keeping safe during these difficult times. 

 

I've heard quite a few people talk about a 10-month wave being very common after either a cold turkey or drastic reduction, and I've experienced this first hand. I reduced my dosage of Anafranil by 25% on April 19 2019, and while things were gradually getting better, I was hit with an enormous wave about a month ago. I was going through some very stressful and anxiety inducing life circumstances, so I'm sure that only compounded things, but it seems like the 10-month wave is a real thing. Has anyone else experienced a big wave around the 10-month mark after CT/large reduction? If so, how long did it last? I'm just taking it one day at a time, knowing that if I keep my dose steady and my lifestyle healthy/stress-free, it will eventually pass. Any stories or experiences regarding 10-month waves would be extremely helpful. Thanks!

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Sleepan
9 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

Has anyone else experienced a big wave around the 10-month mark after CT/large reduction? If so, how long did it last?

 

Hi.  Thank you for starting this topic.  10-month mark for me would be mid-August 2020.  This 10-month wave effect would explain a lot why I think I have a resistance to Amitriptyline, and feel withdrawal effects even if I am not tapering yet.  So,  it is a useful info for me, as I often wonder when will I stabilize after reinstating Amitriptyline +2months after CT early October 2019.  I'll have to wait until that time to confirm to you such a 10-month mark do exist.  I hope it does.  

 

This 10-month CT big wave could explain that I should not start any tapering before mid-August 2020, when hopefully CT withdrawal symptoms & side effects from reinstatement ceases, yes?

 

My dosage is 7.5mg am and 15mg pm - total 22.5mg daily since Dec 21st.  3 days ago, I reduced am dosage from 7.5mg to 7mg  for a 22mg total per day instead of 22.5mg.  I would like to get rid of the am dosage, as Amitriptyline is 20-hr short life and I would like so much to be free from the drug 4hrs a day as a start.  I would like to taper .5mg from the am dose twice a month until only my 15mg pm dose remains next October 2020.  Then I could start to taper 15mg once a month with a micro dose for one or two years.

 

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juneight

This is absolutely valid for me. I  going to 11th month and hit by a big anxiety wave one month ago. It is not anx., it is like my face nerves are stimulated by a factor. Terrible. So it is true for me

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delsol

Hi all. I just wanted to write a post that was part celebration / part question / part venting. First, as for the celebration: It has been slightly more than 4 months since my last dose of antidepressant. As you can see from my signature, my taper was from 2 antidepressants in 2019, more rapidly than a lot of people do their tapers, but what's done is done and there's definitely no going back. 

 

Part 2: Question (more for the "veterans" of withdrawal who have seen some windows):  Was the 4-6 month mark particularly difficult in any sort of way? I have read in some posts that people get bad waves around 4 months out. I of course realize everyone is different; I was just wondering if some people who are partially recovered could speak to this time frame? From different posts, it seems like a common time for people wanting to reinstate. (By the way, reinstatement of ADs is not at all on my radar).

 

Part 3:  I keep getting stuck in a major mental loop, which is:  As long as I'm still healing from/tapering from a benzo, I cannot heal from the other meds. I know this probably isn't true, but good God, I can't get this loop out of my head;  can people start stabilizing from past meds while still tapering a current one?  

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Onmyway

Wow! Congratulations delsol! You made it to here. I reinstated one month after a 5 month taper and CT (didn't know about SA) and remember the first 4-months being the most difficult. You've made it!

 

Reading question 3: there is no evidence to support your worry that if you're still tapering a benzo, you can't at the same time heal. Your body is striving towards stability and 

homeostasis all the time. 

 

Are you tapering at this time? Maybe holding for a while might help. Clonopin is a nasty drug - it made me nauseous and depressed but in due time you will get off of it as well; slowly, without needing to make trips to the hospital. Give your body space to do its own thing. It knows what to do to heal. 

 

 

 

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Superwoman
On 4/8/2020 at 11:25 AM, delsol said:
On 4/8/2020 at 11:25 AM, delsol said:

can't get this loop out of my head;  can people start stabilizing from past meds while still tapering a current one?  

I think so.  I tapered off multiple meds within the last 1.5 years.  I am currently tapering Effexor.  I feel that I am getting better little by little. 

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delsol

Thank you @Onmyway  and @Superwomanfor the reminder that healing takes place and can occur all along. Klonopin is the dooziest of them all, in my case. It's almost like I forget I'm still recovering from other meds. Sometimes, due to my rapid tapers, it's hard to know which med might be causing which current problem. Right now I'm having severe headaches, nausea, and burning skin that had stopped (sort of -- well at least they were less in intensity) a couple of months ago. It's hard to know if it's a new "wave" from prior drugs, or some kind of tolerance to the Klonopin. It's like the worst hangover x100. And the DP/DR is worsening. I know 4 months really isn't all that long to be off antidepressants. It's nice to see that people can see improvements while still coming off other drugs though.

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DaBro

I’ve had big waves at 12, 15 and 18 months, each one 5 weeks long and debilitating. Strangely prior to the 12 month wave I just had good/bad days and nothing that went on for weeks. 

 

Each wave had different symptoms. 12 months was nausea 15 more gastric and dizzy and the 18th I’ve had spasms. I’ve noticed the zaps are moving in my head too. They used to be on the left side of my head, then they moved to the top and now the front. I get my left eye closing a lot involuntarily too. 

 

The windows are better though. Sharper and I have more stamina. 

 

I’m so hoping this 18th month wave, which I feel is coming to an end, is a turning point, but who knows...

 

2 years on 25/50mg Zoloft. FT to zero on Nov 1 2018. 19th months at zero....

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Altostrata
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There are no waves at any particular times while recovering from prolonged withdrawal syndrome.

 

After the acute withdrawal phase, which starts immediately after drug cessation and is a few weeks of severe, variable symptoms, post-acute withdrawal syndrome (PAWS) starts. PAWS, which can be debilitating, can last months or years.

 

There is no clear line of demarcation between acute and post-acute withdrawal syndrome. There are no predictable periodic waves of symptoms while recovering. Recovery is individual.

 

On the other hand, anyone can bring on a wave of symptoms by doing something that upsets the nervous system, such as taking a drink, an antibiotic, over-exercising, getting overheated, or staying up too late.

 

In my observation, what happens is that, off the drug for some months, people start feeling better and do things they might normally do, such as have a glass of wine, smoke marijuana, work out strenuously, or stay up until too late binging Netflix. This can trigger a wave. Mild symptoms tend to go back to your "withdrawal normal" baseline in a week or two. With alcohol or antibiotics, it seems the wave might be quite severe and may take months to fade.

 

If you're feeling pretty well off drugs, you might take care for at least 6 months after discontinuation. Although you feel good, your nervous system might still be somewhat vulnerable.

 

Other than that, I do not believe there are waves at any particular intervals after you go off.

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