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1 hour ago, Arti said:

I increased at 23.12 diazepam From 0,14mg to 0,17mg

 

Arti, I just want to double-check something. Are you taking 17 mg or 0.17 mg diazepam? 

 

The reason I want to double-check is because 0.17 mg is an extremely low dose of this particular benzo. Many people are able to stop their taper at 0.25 mg. 

 

That being said, going from 0.14 mg to 0.17 mg is more than a 20% increase, which is more than we would recommend updosing. Diazepam has a half-life of up to 200 hours (8 days), so you won't even feel the full impact of this increase for several more days. If you're having problems from the increase, your symptoms are likely to get worse. 

 

So yes, I would decrease your dose back down to 0.14 mg. 

 

Has your diet changed over the holidays? Are you consuming more sugar or caffeine than usual? Has your schedule changed? Are you under more stress (as many people are during the holidays)? 

 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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Frohe Weihnachten, @Arti! 🎄✨   I remember ”celebrating” Christmas 8 months off Paxil in 2009, just like you do now. I, too, was worse than ever. Finally started to see improvements in Februa

@Arti salut arti  Don't worry, someone's coming to answer. tries to mention a moderator with @  good luck with your weaning. 

Hello shep i mean 0,17mg diazepam Alto suggest this maybe to substitute Dominal reduction

Long Time i wont do this 

But the last Weeks it is becoming worse and worse Not liveable nobody can Imagine

I think Dominal is kindling my system more and more because i did no other Chance

Domina half Life is 2 hours so everyday withdrawl 

I eat nearly no sogar

I drink no alklcohl no coffe only water avoid histamin

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Thanks for this additional information, Arti.

 

What do you think about returning to 0.14 mg diazepam? 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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Yes back to 0,14mg i feel terrible like acid running to my body 

I am 8 Month without paroxetin but as worst as it is now it was never before 

I think meanwhile i have adverse reaction to all drugs 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Shep may i ask a general question whenn do people get of diazepam typically at wich Dose

I feel so poisened maybe i am Not able to tollerate diazepam longer at all.

No recommendation about that only the question at wich Dose typical People Go off

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Dr. Heather Ashton, author of The Ashton Manual (the German version is here - BENZODIAZEPINE: WIRKUNGSWEISE UND THERAPEUTISCHER ENTZUG) suggested 1 mg as a safe dose of Valium to stop. 

 

However, even though her work is widely credited in messaging a slow taper off benzos, many people find the 1 mg mark to be too high a dose to stop. Many people will go down to 0.5 mg or 0.25 mg before stopping.

 

For people dealing with a lot of symptoms, they may go lower than that. So it really depends. 

 

You're at a safe place to stop at 0.14 mg. But if you're still having a lot of symptoms, you may want to hold for a bit longer. 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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Thanks shep for the Information !! 

I think it is Special for me I am several times Kindled and my System is very very distressed.

So Not compareable with Person wich System still Works 

But if i have no Benefit From it why  Not Stop valium.

I take it today at the old Dose watch what happens and think about it.

 

 

 

 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Frohe Weihnachten, @Arti! 🎄

 

I remember ”celebrating” Christmas 8 months off Paxil in 2009, just like you do now. I, too, was worse than ever. Finally started to see improvements in February 2010. I have a strong feeling that 2021 will be the year when you achieve your goal of a free mind and start seeing your first improvements.

Keep going and stay positive! You are amazing. ❤️

 

Aurorax

2001 Januari-May: Paxil 20 mg
2001 Oktober-December Xanax 1 mg, 0 to 4 pills/day (no wd from quitting Xanax)
2002-2003 Paxil 20 mg, tries to taper but reinstates
2004 Tries to come off Paxil, reinstates after 5 months off
2005 Paxil 30 mg
2006 to end of 2007: Paxil 15-20 mg, tries to taper but reinstates
2007, december: Increases to 30 mg but Paxil is no longer ”working”
2008 Januari to september: Tapering from 30 mg to 10 mg.
2008 September to december: 10 mg to 5 mg
2009 Januari to end of april: 5 mg to 0 mg.
2009 march to januari 2010: Various sleeping pills: Propiomazine and Promethazine for a few days, Alimemazine on and off for months. No benzo.
2010, January until now: 100% drug free.

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@Aurorax thanks i wish you the same thanks for the German words 

Merry Christmas !!

I can give it back you are amazing !!

And i hope you are right !

 

Greetings 

Arti 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Arti, as usual, I need to see those daily notes to make sense of this.

 

Have you changed your Dominal dose lately?

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Hello Alto,

At the Moment difficult to me to make anything also this dayli Notes 

I feel poisened and Not in my body. 

I can say that in last weeks it becomes worse and worse. 

My sleep got more worse than it was not perceive if sleep or Not Fragmented with Dreams or thougts in the moring hours with fantasies hallucinations in the head i remember similar as i was a child and had high fever.

10 to 20 times to toilette. I cannot endure light or Sound. Akathisia also increased.

I didnt Chance the Dominal sice 4 Dezember From 25mg to 23,75mg

 

As it got worse and worse i decide to try increasing the diazepam at 23.12

Few hours later i Felt inner vibration. Then at 24.12 during the day everything  calmed a little was my feeling. I coninued with 0,17mg and half an hour or an hours later i got white Pixel in my vision head preasure and a little Burning skin. At 25.12 i took also 0,17mg and then i fellt sick chils head preasure Changing From Freezing and heat. Extreme anxiety and akathisia and this Pixels in my vision 

Also i fellt like acid running throu my venes.

 

This is all i can give in the Moment i will try these dayli Notes And give you.

I think i am Stressing my cns more and  more every das with the Doninal und diazepam 

I also detect that i have problems with food.

 

I have to Go off of all drugs this is my Last wish. I think about going off diazepam if it is doing such things at 0,17mg. It could also Not be good at 0,14mg

And if it is Not helpfull to Go off Dominal why keep it, one poison less.

But i dont know everything i do is false

 

 

 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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@Arti

i understand exactly how you feel you ask questions time and time again because your mind and body feel like they’re in chaos . You feel terrified of making a mistake and your thoughts  loop constantly. You blame the ups and downs of coming on and off medication coming off Paxil too fast still on other drugs with short half lives because you’re desperately seeking  a way out of the pain and torment but it all just makes you feel worse because of how quickly an answer brings relief and then puff!! It’s gone. so many of us know this feeling. My heart goes out to you. 
But listen you are still in early stages of wd from Paxil and you will be experiencing severe WD symptoms from this . you have done well to come off and stay off these last few months.
you are continuing your taper off Dominal and if part of your symptoms are due to this drug then the lower you get the more those symptoms should abate . 
  You are on a tiny amount of Diazepam and as these symptoms presented themselves before you started on this drug it’s probably unlikely it’s having an adverse reaction on you. And for the amount you’re  taking maybe consider tapering  off this one last. 
So many on this site including myself have felt like you do please read Carrie’s posts. She virtually CTd off four drugs and a year later felt worse than ever. However recently she has posted a very positive message that she is healing and getting on with her life.

Have you  read Sheps posts ? She also came off several drugs CT and fast taper . It’s an awesome read. She wasn’t afraid of her terrifying WD symptoms and coped by normalising them and working alongside severe WD for a number of years. 

you are being braver than you give yourself credit for. But msybe what you need to start doing now is accepting how you feel distracting yourself when WD becomes unbearable learning coping technics that work for you and telling yourself that you will heal . Because you will. 
Longroadhome 

October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg December 4.5mg Jan 2021 4mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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@Longroadhome thanks for your Message and try to build me up !!

 

Altostrata at the Moment i am to sick to write Daily Notes thanks for beeing patience und sorry

Hope i can return Soon 

 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Hello 

Sorry i know nobody can help. I cannot give dayli Notes I am to Confused to write it the German Grammatik correction makes me crazy.

Al is becoming worse i think sleep is gone completely. I have Chemical anxiety 24h coming From the stomach and chest i cannot endure it is a Form of akathisia i feel like a Burning Rocket 

In mind and body. The nights are awfull  as i told  i feel no sleep it feels like i am 24h awake 

The brain if i closed eyes do terrible things ist traumatic. I feel like acid running Trough my venes 

During the  night especually in the Morning, also i feel like i am cooked the things in the head are unbelievable.  During the day i can only sit at the kitchen table und endure the anxiety and madness in the head. I am very light and Sound sensitive. And the knowing that i never sleep oder cannot perceive sleep is traumatic for me. Think the ability completely gone.

I took diazepam 0,14mg still at5pm sometimes maybe calm a little sometimes the opposite i recognized after i took it my Handy becomes Red. 

I rdduced Dominal gradually Now i am at 21,25mg 8:30pm but the nights becoming worse Not better

After i took it. I have strange feeling in my head two times i heared a noises in my head like a breakig cookie or if brain brake. Also strange thougts increase. It makes me sleepy for 15 Minutes und then i am hyperawake. Going to Bad and the real hell Beginns.

20  to  30 times toillet Not knowing where  i am if Dreams or thougts and so on.

 

As i told in the last Post i tried to increase diazepam to 0,17mg but i think i had adverse reaction white Pixels. Extreme Panic and heat. That i thougt i am dieing imediatelly. Was pulling my clothes From the body seconds later i was Frezzing. So i think cannot increse still at 0,14mg

 

Sorry for all for my mistakes i will survive if i can, Noting Else. But without sleep

I fell that i am dieing

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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Arti you need to practice coping skills and normalising how you feel. It is obvious from your posts that you are in a constant state of panic and this will only make your symptoms much worse. And your sleep.

you are in early days WD and symptoms will be intense but it’s how you cope that’s key to managing WD. 
maybe a good place to start would be with bedtime routine as this seems to cause you the most stress. 
a long bath relaxing on the bed listening to soothing music. Calming the body with relaxation tapes. A warm drink of milk . Maybe a book if you can read ( sometimes hard in WD I know). 
and learning not to worry if sleep doesn’t come . It will eventually. Maybe not that night or the night after but eventually it will. 
you probably sleep more than you think you do at the moment. You may be surprised. 
rest is a good alternative and can be done through meditation. 
you never mention how you are helping yourself ? 
what coping skills are you actively doing to help ? 

 

 

October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg December 4.5mg Jan 2021 4mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Hello @Longroadhome thanks for your Message and words!

Ich think it is Not understandable for somebody who is Not in this Situation. 

Yes i have the will to fight and use coping Skills but it is Not possible i cannot do some coping Skills 

The permanent Panic and anxiety coming From the body it is Chemical Not From the mind 

Ist difficult to breathe i sit at the table and endure it is like the devil is inside of me no Peace no Rest possible. I even cannot sit komfortable on the Coach because a inner anxiety coming up if my head goes in an little Bit horizontal Position. Nobody have this. A bath is Not possible because of the heat and i cannot sit in this Relaxing Position. Even shower is only possible once a week and after that all got worse. Reading a book no chance. Listen to Musik makes me Crazy even Relax music. If a Bird singjng i got anxiety, tv Not possible. 

I Go exactly at the same Time every day to Bed but i cannot Relax when i closed eyes pictures Dialogs, hallucinations coming up. I got more anxiety and i have to Go the toilette this is no joke 20 to 40 times per night. I am Not able to empty the bladder. When i detect that i have another Time going to toilette i recognize no wakeup no sleep So it feels since many Month that i am fully awake 24 hours every day so sleep did Not come i wait till manny Month or a year. In the mornig hours i have problems to breathe. A felling like acid running in my body, I fell like my body is cooking. Then i lost connections to my body i close eyes and i cannot say if i lay at the right side or left side or back or what ever when i turn i recognize where i am. So only laying and Rest is Not possible 

Through the day i am full of Adrenalin chortisol or whatever tremor anxiety alerted agitated akathisia so Not possible to do any coping Skills i Would do but i cant.

Die only Thing what i can do rarely is die 478 breathing and this also gives anxiety 

 

So i dont know if anybody understand me right and what i have to endure never read this before 

In other stories is it withdrawl kindling Bad reaction or whatever.

Yes i will fight survive do coping Skills. But i am at the end of my Energy. And everything i do makes it more worse 

 

Thanks!

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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I have a simple question only one at this time 

 

Paroxetin is off for 9 month so no chance to reinstate

And i have to Life with daily withdrawl Horror if it ever ends or Not 

 

I have to taper Dominal but it take Time and its difficult 

Diazepam and dominal dont fits together the drug checker Shows this 

Doesnt matter when diazepam Dose were taken because of long hlt anyway it inerferers with Dominal.

 

I cannot say if diazepam do helpfull things or Not maybe or maybe Not 

I can say that a increase of diazepam causes strange extreme reactions so my thought is 0,14mg also dont do helpfull things 

 

So the question is if it take Time to tapper off the Dominal and it fits Not with diazepam.

Is it Not the easier way to stop diazepam first to bring one Dämon out of this nightmare??

This is my only question thanks in advance! 

 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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I just wanted to say that the horror you are describing sounds very familiar to me. I, too, was beyond listening to music or doing relaxing techniques for a long time. The sensory sensitivities, cognitive difficulties, and akathisia made it very difficult. It's ok. Keep trying, but don't push yourself too hard.

 

You are not alone in being this ill, but not everyone is writing on forums like this. Some people are too ill to write at all. They may be too weak or too confused.

   You are able to take a step outside yourself and describe your symptoms instead of being consumed by them. That's very good. See if you can take this one step further. See if you can disconnect yourself even more from your suffering and just observe. Don't try to make the anxiety go away, don't try to calm yourself down, don't try to make yourself fall asleep. Just observe. Let it be, it's ok. Allow your body to do what is needed, trust that your body can handle this.

 

Regarding diazepam: I read Shep's previous answers, and she wrote that it's safe to stop at 0,14 mg. It's a very low dose. Maybe it's worth trying if you believe you have an adverse reaction.

 

The strange noises in your head sound like brain zaps to me. Very common wd-symptom, so no need to worry.

 

Sending you hugs ❤️

 

Aurorax

2001 Januari-May: Paxil 20 mg
2001 Oktober-December Xanax 1 mg, 0 to 4 pills/day (no wd from quitting Xanax)
2002-2003 Paxil 20 mg, tries to taper but reinstates
2004 Tries to come off Paxil, reinstates after 5 months off
2005 Paxil 30 mg
2006 to end of 2007: Paxil 15-20 mg, tries to taper but reinstates
2007, december: Increases to 30 mg but Paxil is no longer ”working”
2008 Januari to september: Tapering from 30 mg to 10 mg.
2008 September to december: 10 mg to 5 mg
2009 Januari to end of april: 5 mg to 0 mg.
2009 march to januari 2010: Various sleeping pills: Propiomazine and Promethazine for a few days, Alimemazine on and off for months. No benzo.
2010, January until now: 100% drug free.

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Thanks @Aurorax you are a good Soul!!  without the perceive of sleep

Brain cannot Work it is dangerous but cannot do anything against 

Keep praying and hope.

To Hold and believe is such an efford. 

I know if maybe healing is possible it is slow very slow 

But i know also as long as i take Dominal or diazepam it is Not possible at all to heal

I want to be free thats all i want thanks !!

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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@Arti

i am sorry if I did offend you it was not my intention I misunderstood the level of your suffering and thought you were overcome with panic and wanted to help.

@Aurorax is right just observe and let it be. And as she says you are able to step outside of yourself and describe your symptoms which shows you are able to detach and view from the outside in . 
I have learnt something. 
 

I really “get” what you say about being unable to heal while still on meds as this is how I feel . That the healing really starts once we have tapered off all and the body finds its own way back to homeostasis. 
 

  

 

October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg December 4.5mg Jan 2021 4mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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@Longroadhomedont worry you didnt offend me 

How could you Imagine how i am with these few sentences that we write 

The same for me I have maybe a picture of you in my mind but i cannot Imagine how are you doing 

So i am thankfull anyway for every encouragement.  And for your words !!

So i hope you never make the same mistakes like me. Slow and steady is the answer 

I Wish for both of us a free life someday !!! 

 

2003-2018 paroxetin 20mg a few years in the middle 40mg but the last years 20mg
14. aug to 13.dec 2018 20mg, 10mg, 7,5mg, 5mg, 2,5mg to 0mg with intervalls of 4 weeks
27. dec 2018 stomach reflection in the hospital with slight anesthesia, 10. Jan 2019 Computer Tomography with contrast agents 15. feb to 17. march 2018 using sometims Zolpidem 2,5mg, 3. feb.2019 reinstate 0,25mg paroxetine, 17.Feb.2019 0,38mg paroxetine, 23.Feb.2019 1,7 mg paroxetine, 13. march 2019 2mg paroxetine, 23. march 19 2,5mg paroxetine , End of March 2019 5mg paroxetine, 1. apr 2019 starting 2 drops Trimipramim increase to 10 drops, 15. apr. 25 drops Trimipramim, end of April 2019 10mg Paroxetin 40mg Dominal in hospital

11. jun 2019 10mg Paroxetin 60mg Dominal
4. aug 2019 10mg Paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal, 10. aug 2019 broken finger with a open wound antibiotics Clindamycin 1800mg for 6 days, 31. aug 2019 9,7mg paroxetin 52,5mg Dominal

30. Sep 2019 9,7mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal
13. Oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 47,5mg Dominal, 26.oct 2019 9,2mg Paroxetin 45 mg Dominal

10. nov 2019 8,5mg Paroxetin 45mg Dominal, tapper faster 0,5mg peer week 12.April 2020 0mg paroxetin(try reinstate 3 times)

May 2020 6x 0,5mg ativan, june/july 2020 10x 5mg diazepam 8. June 2020 40mg Dominal, 23.July 2020 0,14mg diazepam 

19.Sep 2020 32,5mg Dominal,1.Oct 30mg Dominal 0,14mg diazepam, 14.Oct 27,5mg Dominal, 0,14mg Diazepam, 9. Jan 21,25mg Dominal, 0,14mg diazepam 

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1 hour ago, Arti said:

@Longroadhomedont worry you didnt offend me 

How could you Imagine how i am with these few sentences that we write 

The same for me I have maybe a picture of you in my mind but i cannot Imagine how are you doing 

So i am thankfull anyway for every encouragement.  And for your words !!

So i hope you never make the same mistakes like me. Slow and steady is the answer 

I Wish for both of us a free life someday !!! 

 

Thank you from my heart 

 

October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg December 4.5mg Jan 2021 4mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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