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@manymoretodays, don’t know how much longer I can go without sleep, I’m going to take 2.5 mg zoplicone tonight. 

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I’m finding my digestion is messed up. Almost Everything gives me indigestion. Maybe this is what’s causing my insomnia. I’m watching what I eat but it still acts up. Taking pepto bismuth or gaviscon.

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Morning  @manymoretodays,,

January 18, 2020

I am tired upset stomach Pepto-Bismol, not as itchy

One and a half hours sleep? Was at sleep clinic that night

3 AM gravel 50 mg

7 AM Anoro Ellipta, Racing heart pounding, pharmacist said this is normal for the first time use 

9 AM breakfast, cold

10:15 AM SAD lamp, Go feed hands not so bad dizzy and shaky

5 PM supper, hands and feet warming up, Salbutamol  two puffs having trouble breathing

8:15 PM mirtazapine 1.8 ML. Solution, a little less tense

 9:30 PM Zoplicone 1.25 mg., 1 tsp Pepto-Bismol

10 PM bedtime, feeling better

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Oh Pens,

Just try and go easy with the addition of new medications/drugs and changes every single day.  My gosh......I'm seeing

On 1/18/2020 at 9:58 AM, Pens said:

@manymoretodays, don’t know how much longer I can go without sleep, I’m going to take 2.5 mg zoplicone tonight. 

 

3 hours ago, Pens said:

Anoro Ellipta, Racing heart pounding, pharmacist said this is normal for the first time use 

 

23 hours ago, Pens said:

Taking pepto bismuth or gaviscon.

And a few more here in your signature now:  Umeclidinium, 25 mcg. Vilanteral. I don't even know what these 2 are, and just don't have time right now to look them all up for you.  You must have an arsenal of drugs at your disposal.  That's not always the best.

I may have missed a few. 

Have you tried 1/2 of a Gravol, instead of a whole one? 

 

I know it's really tough right now, but in my own experience I have found that sometimes less IS more.  Very difficult to know what might be related to what, with these constant shifts and changes in your over the counter and prescription medication usages.

 

Do travel on over to symptoms and self care and read with an eye towards, how other members have used non-drug coping.  I'm finding a few more different topics that might apply or help:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/3270-shortness-of-breath-and-other-breathing-issues/

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16067-digestive-problems-nausea-diarrhoea-bloating-gerd/

 

And then work, work, work on the just plain anxiety, OCD tendencies now, with all that you've got.  Just pick a few new techniques to try from the indexed list in the first post here:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1112-non-drug-techniques-to-cope-with-emotional-symptoms/

 

I'm so sorry I don't have time to just lay out a specific coping skill for you to try right now.  Maybe another member has some good ideas for today.  I just know it's real hard right now for you Pens.

(((((Pens)))))

Best, and L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

 

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Hi @manymoretodays, I’m sorry with the different meds. I do have problems breathing and this was prescribed for me in the past. Just funny about taking inhalers. This one really helps and so I probably will only need it and my rescue inhaler. (Salbutamol) for asthma. I have read your links and appreciate the info. I tried melatonin and didn’t seem to work, but will give it a go again. I will try the 1/2 gravol again. Thankyou for your help and advice. I have updated my signature, only taking two inhalers and one is only when needed and the mirtazapine. 

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Gaps diet Dr. Axe. 

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Have you been itching? What times of day is this worst?

 

When did indigestion start?

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15 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Have you been itching? What times of day is this worst?

 

When did indigestion start?

Morning Altostrata, itching mostly in the morning. Itchy scalp not as bad. Indigestion started about a year ago. Right now I’m watching what I eat and treating it as acid reflux. I have an appointment with a naturalpath to help with food intolerances. Read where antidepressants could be linked to acid reflux. 

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January 19, 2020

tense, sleep ? 

9 AM breakfast,  Anoro Ellipta inhaler, Breathing better, hold hands, hot shower

11:45 AM salbutamol inhaler, Hands cool not cold

12 PM very dizzy and weak

5 PM supper, upset stomach, Pepto-bismo,

6 PM magnesium Glycinate 200 ml.

7 PM necks a bit itchy usually on left side, under chin

8 PM mirtazapine 1.8 mg with tart cherry juice, Feeling a bit better.

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Pens, although you have some real and serious health concerns to handle, such as asthma, I'm concerned that your first resort is reach for a pill instead of learning to breathe and float through uncomfortable symptoms. This is especially true with insomnia. It's important to be able to sort through the real illnesses versus those withdrawal symptoms that you'll benefit far more by learning non-drug coping skills to handle. 

 

Here is a good thread dealing with health anxiety that may be helpful: 

 

Health anxiety, hypochondria, and obsession with symptoms

 

 

 

On 1/18/2020 at 11:58 AM, Pens said:

don’t know how much longer I can go without sleep, I’m going to take 2.5 mg zoplicone tonight. 

 

On 1/19/2020 at 8:43 AM, Pens said:

9:30 PM Zoplicone 1.25 mg., 1 tsp Pepto-Bismol

 

How often are you taking zoplicone? Since dependency can form in as little as 2 weeks even with periodic use, it's important to reach for the non-drug coping skills to get through these rough patches. Here are some helpful guided meditations:

 

Guided Meditation Deep sleep | anxiety and insomnia relief | relaxation before bedtime video (21 minutes)

 

Guided meditation journey to sleep on a train ( with video ) video (1 hour, 37 minutes)

 

If these aren't helpful, explore on YouTube and find ones that peak your interest. 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Shep said:

How often are you taking zoplicone

Hi Shep, I just took it that once because I just wasn’t getting enough sleep. I’ve had asthma a while. It runs in the family. Inhalers help and the anoro ellipta helps a lot because I have COPD, I wasn’t using is regularly because I don’t like to be dependant on prescriptions but since tapering the Mirtazapine I’ve been finding it hard to relax and sleep at night. If I can get sleep it helps. I understand what you’re saying and wish I could be drug free. Will read the links you gave me. Thank you. 

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January 20, 2020

4 1/2 hours sleep

forgot to mention had magnesium Glycinate 100 mg night before

itchy on left side of neck

tense, shaky, cold, agitated, anxiety

8:00 a.m. Anoro Ellipta inhaler
8:00 a.m. breakfast

9:00 itchy scalp

9:20 salbutamol inhaler 

SAD lamp

10:00 a.m. went outside, sunny day

12::00 p.m. lunch

4:30 ten minutes, treadmill

5:30 supper, sore stomach 

7:00 p.m. itchy on left side of arm

warm hands and feet, feeling better

8:30 mirtazapine 1.8 ml. W/rice milk

11:00 p.m. bedtime

 

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I haven’t been on here long, but with the posts and links to help I feel that’s what’s getting me through. Each day brings with it a new type of, I guess you would call it healing. It comes in different packages, from being cold all over, Anxiety, digestive disorders, confusion, low energy etc. I’m used to having a cold or a superficial wound that heals in a week. ,This is a humbling experience. It has taught me to eat better, slow down,  and appreciate those around me. Right now socializing is the last thing I want to do. I look a wreck and so does my home. But knowing there’s other people I can read about that will give me insight as to what might be happening is comforting to say the least. I’m running out of books to read, almost have a pair of slippers knitted and have had some quiet times spiritually. I continue to get up each day in hopes that I will someday be free of this medication in my body so that I can find out who I really am.  All the best! 

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1 minute ago, Pens said:

I haven’t been on here long, but with the posts and links to help I feel that’s what’s getting me through. Each day brings with it a new type of, I guess you would call it healing. It comes in different packages, from being cold all over, Anxiety, digestive disorders, confusion, low energy etc. I’m used to having a cold or a superficial wound that heals in a week. ,This is a humbling experience. It has taught me to eat better, slow down,  and appreciate those around me. Right now socializing is the last thing I want to do. I look a wreck and so does my home. But knowing there’s other people I can read about that will give me insight as to what might be happening is comforting to say the least. I’m running out of books to read, almost have a pair of slippers knitted and have had some quiet times spiritually. I continue to get up each day in hopes that I will someday be free of this medication in my body so that I can find out who I really am.  All the best! 

 

This is a great post, Pens!  In itself, it means you're healing because you know there's something better waiting for you at the other end.  Humbling is a great word.  I became much more empathetic after my WD and recovery.  There are blessings and gifts to be found even during the worst of times. 

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22 minutes ago, mstimc said:

There are blessings and gifts to be found even during the worst of times

Thank you mstimc, I guess when I first came on here I expected to see, hurt, dismay, Hopelessness,. Didn’t expect to find so much support and caring. I think as humans were made to hold each other up and be there if someone needs us. I hope at some point I can rise up above this and do that. I’m glad I was able to retire from work, albeit two years early., but don’t think I could have continued on. I have such admiration for those who are still holding down a job or looking after families. . 💐

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Just now, Pens said:

Thank you mstimc, I guess when I first came on here I expected to see, hurt, dismay, Hopelessness,. Didn’t expect to find so much support and caring. I think as humans were made to hold each other up and be there if someone needs us. I hope at some point I can rise up above this and do that. I’m glad I was able to retire from work, albeit two years early., but don’t think I could have continued on. I have such admiration for those who are still holding down a job or looking after families. 💐

 

I'm retired as well but had to work during WD.  In dome ways it was helpful to be in a controlled environment that demanded my attention.  And our son was a pre-teen so he needed my attention as well.  I don't think I would have made it without the folks from Paxilprogress--they were a lot like the people here.

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11 minutes ago, mstimc said:

but had to work during WD. 

Glad to see you’ve had success with tapering. How are you doing now?

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1 minute ago, Pens said:

Glad to see you’ve had success with tapering. How are you doing now?

I'm doing pretty well--thanks for asking! ☺️.  Moving from California to Portugal has stirred up my anxiety and OCD, but nothing like it was back in the day, and I have a lot more tools to manage it.  I'm glad I found SA so I could share my recovery and lend some support--as well as getting some!

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On 1/19/2020 at 5:07 PM, Altostrata said:

When did indigestion sta

Hi Altostrata, I’ve had digestive problems worse in probably the last  year. After my mom passed. I’m eating food that won’t upset it. This may contribute to my not sleeping well. Better to eat healthy anyway. 

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How is what you're eating affecting your sleep?

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January 21, 2020

Four hours sleep

A.m. Dizzy, lightheaded, upon waking up itchy chest, chin(mild), hot

p.m. No appetite, dry mouth, upset stomach all day

4 AM woke up fell back to sleep

6 AM woke up gasping for air used nasal rinse

7:30 AM nausea, half a banana

8:30 AM  upset stomach

11:30 AM lunch, slightly itchy on chin

12 PM sinus rinse

5:30 PM supper, cold all over, dizzy

6 PM salbutamol  inhaler, 1 puff

7:30 PM did breathing exercises from symptoms self care and I exercise, Epsom salts and olive oil foot soak

8:30 PM dizziness going away, mirtazapine 1.8 ml. Solution taken with rice milk, mometasone furoate 50 mcg, (I had trouble breathing) helps clear sinuses

Had a snack, shouldn’t have but was really hungry

11 PM bedtime

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How is what you're eating affecting your sleep?

 

How has your sleep pattern changed in the last week?

 

Are you using melatonin?

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20 hours ago, Altostrata said:

How is what you're eating affecting your sleep?

Hi Altostrata, around 930 or 10 PM I feel really hungry. So I start nibbling on things that are within reach i.e. a cookie or something I probably shouldn’t be eating. I Have learned to not eat after 7 PM and to stay away if I can from sugary treats, spicy or rich foods. Otherwise I think my stomach has to spend the next three hours digesting and I don’t feel that well when I go to lay down. I do elevate myself but still I think I’m better off if I don’t eat so late, and watch what I eat. I’m starting to learn these things from postings in the forum. Very helpful. Especially the topic on hypersensitivity. Since WD I have noticed this when I eat and I’m also sensitive to light and sound.  

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Maybe you might add a protein shake or some other protein or complex carb you can tolerate earlier in the evening so you don't get hungry?

 

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

How has your sleep pattern changed in the last week?

 

Are you using melatonin?

 

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2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Maybe you might add a protein shake or some other protein or complex carb you can tolerate earlier in the evening so you don't get hungry?

 

 

Thanks I will try the protein shake.. I tried some exercises from the Symptoms and Self Care post for sleep.  An eye exercise and some yoga moves. I slept the longest that night. Before that not great but I am getting some. Haven’t been taking anything. I did try melatonin spray. Don’t think I Understood how to use it. I will try that next. .I’ve been slowly changing my dependency on meds. I removed items in the house that are noisy to other places so that my nerves can relax. That way I’m not so tense before I go to bed. 
https://www.awarenessjunkie.com/simple-vagus-nerve-stimulation-exercises-enhance-overall-well/

 

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Hi pens,

Being an old member ( relatively) on SA makes you feel everything is normal and you become used to listen about severe and bad symptomts, you also notice that symptomts are common between alot of us and for this reason I won't talk about your symptomts, I wanted to support u as I can and remind u with the good days you will get as a result of your patience.

Take care of yourself dear pens ❤️.

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Hi Pens,

 

Sorry to hear you have so much trouble sleeping during the night time. I have the same problem. Try to stay awake during the night until you feel tired, as best you can. With something boring to do like reading, folding clothes or listening to something really boring on YoutTube has helped me.

 

Trying to force yourself to sleep never works. Anyway i hope you start to feel better soon.

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January 22, 2020

A.m. Feeling cold lightheaded, mouth isn’t dry, Agitated and tired

5 1/2 hours sleep, maybe due to breathing exercises

10 AM 10 minute walk on treadmill warmed up

12 PM lunch hands and feet warm

12:30 PM feeling better stomach calm

3 PM had a few gummy’s went cold after I eat them

5 PM stomach pain

6 PM had some chicken for protein

8:30 PM mirtazapine 1.8 ML. Solution

Take Gaviscon for stomachache

11 PM went to bed

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8 hours ago, Ryder said:

Hi Pens,

 

Sorry to hear you have so much trouble sleeping during the night time. I have the same problem. Try to stay awake during the night until you feel tired, as best you can. With something boring to do like reading, folding clothes or listening to something really boring on YoutTube has helped me.

 

Trying to force yourself to sleep never works. Anyway i hope you start to feel better soon.

Thankyou Ryder, I have started reading books and knitting and staying off the computer. Sorry to hear you’re having trouble sleeping as well. Thank you for your support. Never thought that Sleep could be so important to your health. Have a good day!

p.s. are you safe from fires?  We’re all keeping you in our prayers up here in Canada. 

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9 hours ago, mustafa said:

Hi pens,

Being an old member ( relatively) on SA makes you feel everything is normal and you become used to listen about severe and bad symptomts, you also notice that symptomts are common between alot of us and for this reason I won't talk about your symptomts, I wanted to support u as I can and remind u with the good days you will get as a result of your patience.

Take care of yourself dear pens ❤️.

Thank you Mustafa, I’m trying my very best it can be hard at times as you probably know already.I do have small windows in the evening where I can function and get things done. How are you doing?

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15 hours ago, mustafa said:

talk about your symptomts

Hi mustafa, how are you?, Could I ask you one question. Did you have upset stomach and nausea. I am experiencing this now I can only eat small meals. Did you have this for a while. I know we’re all different but it would help me be prepared. Thanks have a wonderful day! 

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11 minutes ago, Pens said:

Hi mustafa, how are you?, Could I ask you one question. Did you have upset stomach and nausea. I am experiencing this now I can only eat small meals. Did you have this for a while. I know we’re all different but it would help me be prepared. Thanks have a wonderful day! 

Hi pens,

Indeed, I had alot of symptomts depending on the drug I was having( read my signature to know that I wad out of ADs three different times with three different groups of symptomts )

Yes, these stomach problems are familiar and I suffered it alot.

At the begging of my current group of symptomts( which are majorly depersonalization), I was suffering nausea all the times I eat anything.

Also before, I had severe problems with sleep and stomach, my stomach was upset as u say and was burning and ramb.

The answer is yes, and by time, your stomach will bear food and get calmer❤️.

 

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Does anyone have the low histamine link for the list of foods. Read Gia’s post but couldn’t find it. 

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Hi Pens,

There is this one, and as you read through, you'll see the list of things to avoid:  Histamine Intolerance, GAPS and Low Carb, 2013, Judy Tsafrir, M.D.

And then it also links to this one: The UK's Histamine Intolerance Awareness site

 

Those might help you to know, at the very least, what to avoid.  It's a lot of reading and then tracking your own responses.

 

I spy 5 and 1/2 hours of sleep on the 22nd Pens.  That's good.  Keep us updated please.  Your notes are good.  I'm not seeing any mention of itching and/or rashes on the 22nd.

 

Okay, best,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

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1 hour ago, manymoretodays said:

not seeing any mention of itching and/or rashes on the 22nd.

Hi manymoretodays. Thank you for the histamine link. I think I’m having a lot of issues with food. I’m making a list of what I can eat. Had a really sore stomach today. Mustafa said that this was the case for him as well. Wondering if maybe this is contributing to my short sleep.  Question: since mirtazapine is a histamine, Could it be causing me some stomach discomfort? 
 

January  23, 2020

4 1/2 hours sleep

a.m. tense,very cold, nausea dizzy

a.m. anora ellipta for difficulty breathing ( I stopped using other meds) moderate interaction with mirtazapine, 

7 AM nasal rinse

7:30 a.m. mildly itchy arms

8:00 a.m. breakfast

10:00 a.m. stomach churning

11:00 a.m.  had a banana and apple sauce, histamine intolerance? Itchy arms and neck, not bad though

12:p.m. stomach letting up

2::00 p.m.walk outside for 10 min

5: p.m. supper,  chicken

8:00 p.m. feeling better Mirtazapine 1.8 ml. Solution 

11: p.m. bedtime

 

 

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January 24, 2020

4-4 1/2 hours sleep 

 felt nauseous and tense all day, stomach hurt all day, 
When i woke up, agitated (cortisol spike), heart pounding (deep breathing), dizzy, itchy head and arms

5:00 a.m. woke up and went back to sleep 

8:00 a.m. got up

10:00 a.m. anoro ellipta for breathing 

12:00 p.m. lunch

2:00 p.m. cold hands and feet

6:00 p.m. had watermelon and grapes

7:00 p.m. 10 minutes treadmill

7:15 p.m. protein bar

8:00 p.m. 1.8 ml. Solution 

11:00 bedtime

 

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