Pens

[Altostrata]

Did the itching start after you began taking sertraline?

 

Why would your doctor insist on your taking another drug?

[manymoretodays]

Hi Pens,

In a couple of those notes above it looks like you get "reactive" after the sertraline 50 mg.  You noted the itching.

 

And the mag glycinate in warm water sure did seem to help too.  You might use that throughout the day in water, just split the dose up, into 2 or 3/day.  It should help with calming your nerves a bit too, or it did for me.  You could just do 1/3 of the 200 mg for 3X/day or 1/2 of it for X2/day.

 

Since it has just been 3 weeks since you last tapered the pregabalin, you might wait another week before tapering it again.

You have 2 options then, you could drop the 10 mg(I'm assuming that 10 mL is 10 mg, and correct me if I am wrong please).  That would be just shy of 10% off your current dose.

 

And then you could do 33 mg for each dose, 3X/day with your current times.  That would be 99 mg/day.  I don't know if anyone manages on twice a day dosing of pregablin.  Let me see what @Altostrata thinks?

 

And then keep notes coming too, as I'm wondering if you are reacting to the sertraline now......so let's see what the notes show.  Because then, if that is the case, it would make sense to be tapering that instead of the pregabalin.

 

Add in, on the right, any activity you are able to do, and get your sleep noted each day.  I just see one day with a miserable only 4 and 1/2 hours noted.

 

What is in the B50 that you note taking at different times?

 

And best, are you still working with more than one doctor?  I recall an allergist perhaps, or specialist, and then a regular GP?

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

[Pens]

On 12/25/2020 at 8:33 PM, Altostrata said:

What do you mean by "tremors

My hands shake sometimes worse than others and my jaw. I noticed this got worse when I used my pregabolin. Also, I’m very sensitive to light, sound and confrontation. I feel a bit better in the evenings. I noticed that you can have tremors from sertraline and vitamin B deficiency.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Pens
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[Pens]

19 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

Hi Pens,

In a couple of those notes above it looks like you get "reactive" after the sertraline 50 mg.  You noted the itching.

 

And the mag glycinate in warm water sure did seem to help too.  You might use that throughout the day in water, just split the dose up, into 2 or 3/day.  It should help with calming your nerves a bit too, or it did for me.  You could just do 1/3 of the 200 mg for 3X/day or 1/2 of it for X2/day.

 

Since it has just been 3 weeks since you last tapered the pregabalin, you might wait another week before tapering it again.

You have 2 options then, you could drop the 10 mg(I'm assuming that 10 mL is 10 mg, and correct me if I am wrong please).  That would be just shy of 10% off your current dose.

 

And then you could do 33 mg for each dose, 3X/day with your current times.  That would be 99 mg/day.  I don't know if anyone manages on twice a day dosing of pregablin.  Let me see what @Altostrata thinks?

 

And then keep notes coming too, as I'm wondering if you are reacting to the sertraline now......so let's see what the notes show.  Because then, if that is the case, it would make sense to be tapering that instead of the pregabalin.

 

Add in, on the right, any activity you are able to do, and get your sleep noted each day.  I just see one day with a miserable only 4 and 1/2 hours noted.

 

What is in the B50 that you note taking at different times?

 

And best, are you still working with more than one doctor?  I recall an allergist perhaps, or specialist, and then a regular GP?

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

I’m trying to eat healthier. I think my stomach needs a lot of healing and maybe all these drug changes have caused some damage to the lining. I haven’t been eating very good though so I’m trying to correct that. Dr. Stasha Gominak is also very interesting to listen to. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by Pens
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[manymoretodays]

2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Did the itching start after you began taking sertraline?

 

 

And one more ? from Alto, Pens.

Good job, getting to all the questions.  Thank you.

[Pens]

11 minutes ago, Pens said:

nd then you could do 33 mg for each dose, 3X/day with your current times.  That would be 99 mg/day.  I don't know if anyone manages on twice a day dosing of pregablin.  Let me see what @Altostrata thinks?

I’ll do another week at the 10 ml. And wait to here back. I’m trying to see what supplements I can tolerate and how much. B50 complex is B 1, 2, 3 50 mg, B12 250 mcg, Biotin 100 mcg., Choline 5 mg, Folic Acid 500 mcg, Inositol 5 mg.

[Pens]

43 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

And best, are you still working with more than one doctor?  I recall an allergist perhaps, or specialist, and then a regular GP?

I was to see an allergist but COVID happened and I didn’t hear back. I was seeing a psychiatrist but he didn’t work out.

[manymoretodays]

Okay, thanks Pens.

How long have you been taking the B50?

And of course, we often go with or recommend single ingredient supplements.

That way you would know just what you react to?

Often it's the B6 that most react to, by getting over activated, but some do react to the B12, and others too.

Hypersensitive to B vitamin or Bcomplex?

take a look ^

And ugh, as you do tend to react, the B50 may not be for you at this time.

 

Rule of 3KI's

 

So just a regular doctor now then?

And okay.  The notes are good Pens.  Thank you.  They often tell a story, of your body, that should be helpful for you too.

 

Good sleep tonight princess.  Best day ever tomorrow!

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

[Pens]

1 hour ago, manymoretodays said:

Okay, thanks Pens.

How long have you been taking the B50?

And of course, we often go with or recommend single ingredient supplements.

That way you would know just what you react to?

Often it's the B6 that most react to, by getting over activated, but some do react to the B12, and others too.

Hypersensitive to B vitamin or Bcomplex?

take a look ^

And ugh, as you do tend to react, the B50 may not be for you at this time.

 

Rule of 3KI's

 

So just a regular doctor now then?

And okay.  The notes are good Pens.  Thank you.  They often tell a story, of your body, that should be helpful for you too.

 

Good sleep tonight princess.  Best day ever tomorrow!

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

I’ll try not to bounce around. Didn’t know that about the B vitamin. Yes just my own dr. I did go to a naturalpath. He did some acupuncture. It did help with my stomach. Thank you for your advice and help. Hope you had a merry Christmas. ☃️

[Pens]

Just now, Pens said:

How long have you been taking the B50

About a week.

[Pens]

4 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Did the itching start after you began taking sertraline?

 

Why would your doctor insist on your taking another drug?

I’m not sure about the itching, will pay more attention. 
when I went off the mirtazapine I had a meltdown, so was put on sertraline and pregabolin. I mentioned sertraline because if I had to go on anything I wanted something good. He wanted to up the dose but I kept it low. He liked pregabolin and said it was popular in England. He wanted me on a higher dose. I’ve kept it low. I’m frightened that my depression will get the best of me again, but I have been eating better. So maybe things will be different this time. I appreciate your help.

[Pens]

Dec 25, 2020

tremors bad, lightheaded

8:00 a.m. pregabolin 50 mg.

omega, vit. D

2:00 pregabolin 10 ml. 

7:00 pm sertraline 50 mg

omega

8:30 reactin

1:00 bedtime

8:40 pregabolin 50 mg taking earlier from 9:00 to 8:30

 

[Pens]

Dec 25, 2020

tremors bad, lightheaded

8:00 a.m. pregabolin 50 mg.

omega, vit. D

2:00 pregabolin 10 ml. 

7:00 pm sertraline 50 mg

omega

8:30 reactin

1:00 bedtime

8:40 pregabolin 50 mg taking earlier from 9:00 to 8:30

1:00 am bedtime 

 

[Pens]

December 26, 2020

Unmotivated until the evenings

7 hrs sleep Didn’t eat anything after 8 PM

The skin on my face and arms are dry I use aloe vera gel

8 AM pregabolin 50 mg

Omega, vitamin D, agitated, B50 complex, sunlamp

2 PM pre-Gabalin 10 ml. Numb hands, slight trembling in afternoon

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8:30 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

930 magnesium 1/3 of 200

915 reaction for itchy arms and face back and neck, restless, burning sensation in mouth and throat

12 AM bedtime restless, I had the munchies so I had a few sunflower seeds in a kashi bar

 

 

 

[Altostrata]

7 hours ago, Pens said:

8:30 reactin

 

What does this mean?

 

Think hard: Did the itching start after you initiated sertraline? You may be allergic to sertraline.

 

Did you ever take sertraline at a different time of day, such as in the morning? What is your sleep pattern?

 

If you are afraid of your depression and you believe you must take an antidepressant for it, we may not be able to help you. What we do here is help people go off their drugs. If you want to reduce your psychiatric drugs, you'll have to cope with the symptoms with non-drug means.

 

However, it is very possible some of the symptoms you call depression are caused by the drugs you've been taking. You'll have to decide about this.

[Pens]

17 hours ago, Altostrata said:

On 12/27/2020 at 8:29 AM, Pens said:

8:30 reactin

 

What does this mean

It’s the name of the allergy pill I’m taking. It lasts 24 hours so that’s why When I take it it’s usually around the same time.

[manymoretodays]

Oh wow, great pick up by Alto.

I thought you were just mis-spelling reacting. 

 

And so.....it is spelled Reactine, aka certirizine,

Second generation antihistamines include cetirizine (Reactine® and various generics), fexofenadine (Allegra® and various generics), and loratadine (Claritin® and various generics). A third generation antihistamine is desloratadine (Aerius®).

 

And then you are still using Gravol(dimenhydrinate) too, Pens?  It's another class of antihistamine than the certirizine, meant for short term use for prevention of nauseau and vomiting.

 

And I know I worried about you having paradoxical effects from the Gravol in the past.  Paradoxical meaning that instead of calming it would become more excitatory.

 

Are you attempting to alternate usages of them?

And then what are you using them for?  I mean the itching, or for sleep, or out of habit?

 

I do wonder if you might be able to see an Allergist via telehealth.  It's really prevalent here in the States now, to use telehealth and insurances have expanded to cover it as well.

 

And then I know I gave you this before, but I will give it again:

Antihistamines for withdrawal insomnia

And then a few posts down, you'll also see where Alto posts:

" The SSRIs evolved from antihistamines."

 

And then I wonder if they are doing anything anymore for you.  How long have you been using the Reactine?

How long with the Gravol?

 

It does appear that one can build up tolerance to these drugs too.  Meaning that they stop having the desired effect, and then folks will try more and more. 

 

That's about all I've got for today.  Oh, overall, how are you feeling cognitively- thinking and all right now?

 

I ran an interaction report using Zyrtec(for the cetirizine, as I couldn't get it to take Reactine), and then the sertraline and pregabalin.

Drug Interaction Report- Drugs.com

 

 

Oh Pens.  Sometimes less is more.

 

And best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by manymoretodays
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[Pens]

3 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

And then what are you using them for?  I mean the itching, or for sleep, or out of habit?

For sleep

[Pens]

December 27, 2020

about five hours sleep

Tremors hands, jaw and right foot, dizzy tense muscles and neck

8 AM for Gabalin 50 mg

tired and agitated

1005 omega supplement

feeling sedated, brain fog, Tremors letting up

10:45 AM burning sensation in mouth and chest

12:15 PM lunch, avocado

2 PM pre-Gabalin 10 ML

3 PM hands a bit numb, dizzy, cold feet, and very productive day but felt tired and anxiety

tremors let up a bit when I’m busy and then start up again when I sit down

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

815 vitamin D 1000

830 pregabolin  50 mg

11 PM bedtime gravel 50 mg didn’t get to sleep though until 1 AM

 

December 28, 2025 hours sleep?, tremors in hands, tired, two bowel movements, brain fog and really bad balance today

8 AM pregabolin  50 mg

vitamin D 1000

1 PM feeling tired sedated numb hands and tremors

3 PM trembling, bad nerves

2 PM pre-Gabalin 10 ML

Feeling weak

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

830 pregabolin 50 mg feeling tense trembling weepy, anxiety no hands

Bedtime

[Pens]

1 hour ago, Pens said:

December 27, 2020

about five hours sleep

Tremors hands, jaw and right foot, dizzy tense muscles and neck

8 AM for Gabalin 50 mg

tired and agitated

1005 omega supplement

feeling sedated, brain fog, Tremors letting up

10:45 AM burning sensation in mouth and chest

12:15 PM lunch, avocado

2 PM pre-Gabalin 10 ML

3 PM hands a bit numb, dizzy, cold feet, and very productive day but felt tired and anxiety

tremors let up a bit when I’m busy and then start up again when I sit down

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

815 vitamin D 1000

830 pregabolin  50 mg

11 PM bedtime gravel 50 mg didn’t get to sleep though until 1 AM

 

December 28, 2025 hours sleep?, tremors in hands, tired, two bowel movements, brain fog and really bad balance today

8 AM pregabolin  50 mg

vitamin D 1000

1 PM feeling tired sedated numb hands and tremors

3 PM trembling, bad nerves

2 PM pre-Gabalin 10 ML

Feeling weak

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

830 pregabolin 50 mg feeling tense trembling weepy, anxiety no hands

Bedtime 11: p.m. 

 

[Pens]

@manymoretodayshi, if I go to the 33.3 x 3 doses a day do I just change to that after my four weeks of tapering are up? 

[Pens]

On 12/28/2020 at 5:30 PM, manymoretodays said:

how are you feeling cognitively- thinking and all right now?

My mind is clearing a bit but brain fog and no motivation. 

[Pens]

December 29, 2020

slept approximately six hours

tired, trembling in jaw and hands, unbalanced, weak

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

10:45 AM vitamin D, Omega, went outside into sunshine for a bit

slight tremors in hands and right foot

2 PM for Gabalin 10 ml. heartburn
5 PM don’t feel well, depressed and cold feet and hands, itchy

6 PM trembling arms and hands

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8:30 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg, tremors are bad,

Stopped taking Gravol 50 mg, Second day of stopping Gravol.

bedtime liquid Gaviscon, omega, then you get to sleep till around 1:30 AM.

[Pens]

December 28, 2020 sorry missed this day so out of order

slept proximately five hours

tremors in hands, tired, two bowel movements, brain fog, bad balance

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg, vitamin D 1000

1 PM feeling tired sedated numb hands, tremors

3 PM trembling, bad nerves

2 PM pre-Gabalin 10 ML

feeling weak

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8:30 PM pre-Gabalin, tents, burning in throat, trembling, weepy

stopped taking Gravol 50 mg

11 PM bedtime

[Pens]

On 12/28/2020 at 5:30 PM, manymoretodays said:

And then I wonder if they are doing anything anymore for you.  How long have you been using the Reactine?

How long with the Gravol?

Reactin, or Claritin off and on since the summer. Gravol for a year. Up and down from 25 and lately to 50 mg. I’ve stopped, I think I’m getting withdrawals

[manymoretodays]

Do you take it every night Pens, the Gravol?

I was not seeing it every night in your notes.

And.....I think, that best outcomes would be more likely, by doing a gradual reduction, or tapering off.  As you've been on it awhile.   So rather than jump off, taper. 

What kind of symptoms are you having, that aren't some of the usual symptoms in the morning?

 

And then.....for right now, I think if I were you, I would just stick to making one change, in one thing, or variable at a time.  Otherwise it can get so very confusing, as to what might be doing what.

 

Look at that 3KI's link.  I think I gave it above.  If not, it's also right at the top of the list, in this forum, or the Introductions forum.  Hopefully that will help.

 

You're HOLDING, until the next taper of pregabablin.  And that is something too......that's like a change, if that makes sense?  Hope so.  And we're trying to get a grip or better understanding of what is doing what, presently, from your notes.  You are part of that "We" too, Pens.  ❤️

 

I think I see another question related to your pregabalin taper, which I'll have to get back to, ASAP. 

Just general life stuff Pens, car repairs, and other commitments, seem to be keeping me really busy lately.  Uh oh too, I hope I am not overdoing.......I don't think I am.  Feeling a bit nervous about some new adventures starting next week too.  Just to let you know I am not ignoring.........

 

((((((Pens))))))  L, p, h, and hope,

mmt

 

 

Edited December 30, 2020 by manymoretodays

[Pens]

26 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

Do you take it every night Pens, the Gravol?

I was not seeing it every night in your notes.

And.....I think, that best outcomes would be more likely, by doing a gradual reduction, or tapering off.  As you've been on it awhile.   So rather than jump off, taper. 

What kind of symptoms are you having, that aren't some of the usual symptoms in the morning?

 

And then.....for right now, I think if I were you, I would just stick to making one change, in one thing, or variable at a time.  Otherwise it can get so very confusing, as to what might be doing what.

 

Look at that 3KI's link.  I think I gave it above.  If not, it's also right at the top of the list, in this forum, or the Introductions forum.  Hopefully that will help.

 

You're HOLDING, until the next taper of pregabablin.  And that is something too......that's like a change, if that makes sense?  Hope so.  And we're trying to get a grip or better understanding of what is doing what, presently, from your notes.  You are part of that "We" too, Pens.  ❤️

 

I think I see another question related to your pregabalin taper, which I'll have to get back to, ASAP. 

Just general life stuff Pens, car repairs, and other commitments, seem to be keeping me really busy lately.  Uh oh too, I hope I am not overdoing.......I don't think I am.  Feeling a bit nervous about some new adventures starting next week too.  Just to let you know I am not ignoring.........

 

((((((Pens))))))  L, p, h, and hope,

mmt

 

 

Ohmygosh, I never feel like you’re ignoring me. I don’t know how you have time for your own life and then be giving so much of yourself for others. I appreciate all your help. Should I just cut the gravel in half then and make it 25 mg for how long a week and then come off. I think it was making me tired and agitated and depressed in the morning. Didn’t realize it. I know that you tried to get me to stop taking it several times. I’ll have to try the magnesium. I’m not sure if the sertraline is preventing me from getting to sleep or if I’m just messed up. I do feel a little bit more like myself today.Thanks for setting me on the right track. For your time and for giving me hope. Have a nice day!

[Pens]

Just now, Pens said:

 

Do you take it every night Pens, the Gravol?

I was not seeing it every night in your notes.  yes, most nights. I guess it’s automatic and forget to put it down.

[manymoretodays]

Awwww.  🤗

I think 1/4 reductions would be okay, for the Gravol.

Even less, if you need to.

[Pens]

35 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

What kind of symptoms are you having, that aren't some of the usual symptoms in the morning?

Just what’s in my notes. Today I’ve had more feeling in my hands and feet and warmer. Thought it might be from being off the gravol for 2 days. 

[Pens]

Just now, manymoretodays said:

Awwww.  🤗

I think 1/4 reductions would be okay, for the Gravol.

Even less, if you need to.

Ok ❤️❤️

[Pens]

1 hour ago, manymoretodays said:

What kind of symptoms are you having, that aren't some of the usual symptoms in the morning?

Clumsy, unsteady, no appetite, 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Pens

[Pens]

4 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Awwww.  🤗

I think 1/4 reductions would be okay, for the Gravol.

Even less, if you need to. @manymoretodayshow long should I hold for each reduction?

[Pens]

On 12/30/2020 at 12:08 PM, manymoretodays said:

Awwww.  🤗

I think 1/4 reductions would be okay, for the Gravol.

Even less, if you need to. @manymoretodayshow long should I hold for each reduction?

[Pens]

Dec 30, 2020

slept 3 1/2 hrs

hot and cold all day

mind a bit clearer, tired, feet not as numb, tremors in hands

omega and vit D

8:00 am pregabolin 50 mg, tense, cold feet

2:00 pregabolin 10 ml.

bad tremors, lethargic

3:40 hands tingling going numb, brain fog, sensitive to surroundings

4:00 itchy chest a bit red, itchy scalp cold feet 

5:30 face slightly itchy

6:00 tremors not as bad, feel a bit better

7:00 sertraline 50 mg

7:15 feel cold, agitated, tired

8:30 pregabolin 50 mg

itchy upper body and scalp, tremors let up, sore stomach, burning in chest

11:30 no tremors, feel ok

[Pens]

Happy new year. 
Monday I will be stopping the 10 ml. Pregabolin  and wondered if I should start taking 25 mg pill four times a day or if I should just wait a month after I stop taking the 10 ml. If that makes sense.