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Dec. 31, 2020

5 hrs sleep

8:00 a.m. pregabolin 50 mg

tremors, omega, feeling better, dizzy, sedated, tremors not bad, hands rigid, unsteady, unmotivated 

2:00 pregabolin 10 ml

4:00 cold feet and hands,confused, brain fog, 

5:00 very lethargic, shaking tense and agitated

7:00 sertraline 50 mg

chills, itchy scalp, 

8:30 pregabolin 50 mg
 

 

Jan 1, 2021

3 ,hrs sleep

8:00 a.m. pregabolin 50 mg

tired, some tremors, mouth and nose not as dry ( gravol discontinuation)? Cognitive a bit clearer, getting some emotions back, need to get some motivation

2:00 pregabolin 10 ml. Sipping magnesium in hot water, feeling chilled, trembling , weak itchy head

stopped magnesium, burning throat, swollen, headache, don’t tolerate well

7:00 sertraline 50 mg

8:30 pregabolin 50 mg

 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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January 2, 2021

Slept 3 1/2 hours,

trembling itchy face

1:10 PM omega

breathing a lot better since stopping gravel 50 mg

3:30 PM tense and rigid cognitive clearing a bit

2 PM forget 110 Ml. Numb cold hands

2:30 PM half a teaspoon of baking soda

4:30 PM tremors or less

6:30 PM hands numb

7 PM sertraline 50 mg 

tense, itchy

8:30 PM for Gavin 50 mg

10 PM Metamucil 1 teaspoon

 

January 3 four hours sleep

8 AM pregabolin 50 mg

trembling, uncoordinated, confused

2:30 PM omega, vitamin D, tired

2:00 Stopped pre Gabalin 10 ML. Now at 100 mg a day

5 PM agitated, tremors, feeling a bit normal, some clarity

6 PM omega

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

hands numb feel cold

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

itchy, breathing better

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Pens, it appears you have an allergic reaction to one of your drugs. When did the itching start? Why are you changing pregabalin? How much pregabalin is in 10mL?

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Jan 4, 2021

4 1/2 sleep

agitated, arm a bit itchy, tremors, cold, very sensitive to light, noise or negative surroundings.

8:00 am pregabolin 50 ml.

omega and vit D

12:00 dizzy, weak, feeling coming back into hands and feet, unsteady, feels like body is under construction, 

2:00 went for a walk along harbour 

5:30 omega, vit D

7:00 sertraline 50 mg

8:00 pregabolin 50 mg

itchy scalp, hair falling out for a while

9:00 feeling better

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Pens, it appears you have an allergic reaction to one of your drugs. When did the itching start? Why are you changing pregabalin? How much pregabalin is in 10mL?

I’m very sensitive to any meds. I seem to have reactions to any antidepressants right now. I even have to watch what I eat. I don’t like the side effects to pregabolin and the doctor gave it to me for mood only. I’m not taking that much sertraline. I had it once a long time ago. Not for very long and didn’t experience the tremors ect. That I’m having now. Was using a syringe to taper with 10 ml. Not taking it now though. I’m presently taking 50 mg in the morning and 50 mg. In the evening for 1 month.  
 

thankyou for mentioning the Reactin previously. Since then I have stopped taking it and Gravol and my breathing has improved.

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May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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1 hour ago, Pens said:

How much pregabalin is in 10mL?

I was taking pregabolin three times a day. 50/25/50. I started tapering the 25 mg dose and got it down to 10 ml. Which I am no longer taking. 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Hi Pens,

 

Was your 10 mL equivalent to 10 mg though Pens?

That was the question.  I think you had related to me that it was.  And you need to report doses in mg or milligrams.

 

I think you still may be shifting too much at once, personally.  Dropping this and that, in tandem, rarely, if ever pans out.

 

I know you were waiting for a response to this, and then a previous question on how to split your dosing of pregablin:

 

On 1/2/2021 at 8:14 AM, Pens said:

Happy new year. 
Monday I will be stopping the 10 ml. Pregabolin  and wondered if I should start taking 25 mg pill four times a day or if I should just wait a month after I stop taking the 10 ml. If that makes sense.

 

Were you liquifying the one mid-day dose?  And how?  What concentration?

How are you liquifying your 8am dose now?

 

And I would think 3 times a day to get your 99 or 100 mg dose of pregabalin in each day?

I'm wondering what you might have done since the 4th, I do see that it appears you are taking a liquid dose in the morning now.  Please report the dose, in milligrams(mg) and not the mL or millileter.

 

When you started the pregabalin last May, how were you splitting it?  I mean, was it 3 times each day for the total dose, or 4 times each day?  How was this prescribed to you?

 

I'm thinking if you go to 3 times/day for your total dose of 100 mg, that it should be done gradually, and not all at once.  Just like when one goes to liquid from solid, we strongly suggest a gradual cross over.

 

So next you might, just HOLD on using the a liquid in the morning, and your solid form of pregabalin in the evening for a bit longer.  And then eventually, if it was me, and I wanted to get to split doses three times a day.........I might go with liquidfying the PM dose next, and HOLDING, for at least a week after, and then......depending on how you are adjusting, go to 33 mg of pregabalin, at 8 am, 2 pm, and then 8 pm. 

How does that sound?  You've been doing 8 am, 2 pm, and then 8 pm?

 

If you went every 6 hours though, you'd need to go with 25 mg, at 8 am, 2 pm, 8 pm, and then a 2 am dose.

That's why I'm asking how it was prescribed in the first place.

 

And okay, so you feel less allergic after ditching all your antihistamines?  The Gravol and Reactin?

 

Try, try to hold steady for at least a week, and again, one change at a time too.

 

And Notes, you have got those down.  Narratives are okay too Pens, just separate them out from the Notes. 

And apologies, I'm not always here......well here, as much as I used to be, as I move into ski-ing and Yoga certification training.  And have all my usual other stuff going too.  So the clearer your information is, including signature, and everything......makes it easier when others might come by to help.

 

Okie doke.

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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22 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

your 10 mL equivalent to 10 mg though Pens?

That was the question.  I think you had related to me that it was.  And you need to report doses in mg or milligrams.

10 ml. Was liquid and equivalent to the 10 milligrams. I mixed a capsule of 25 mg with 25 ML of water.

 

22 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

How are you liquifying your 8am dose now

 

22 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

you started the pregabalin last May, how were you splitting it?  I mean, was it 3 times each day for the total dose, or 4 times each day?  How was this

I’m taking a 50 mg capsule at eight in the morning and eight in the evening. I discontinued the 10 ML of liquid at 2 PM.

 

As of the end of November my doctor started to prescribe 50 mg of pregabolin  capsule form Three times a day I only did that for a couple days then tapered the 2 o’clock dose down to 25 mL of liquid, I was mixing a 25 mg capsule with 25 mL of water.. Then began tapering down to 10 ml. And now I’m just taking a 50 mg pill in the morning and one at night. For a total. of 100 mg.  Before that I was taking once in the evenings, about 125 mg  two 50 and a 25 pills together.  Very chaotic. Now it’s more stable. Noticing my prescription bottle says pre Gabalin 50 mg one caplet twice daily and one 25  mg caplet as directed, which I was taking at 2 o’clock in the afternoon but have discontinued

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May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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January 5, 2021

Slept?

8 AM pregabalin 50 mg

Tremors, sensitive to light and sound, dizzy

omega

Bad nerves, weak

645 hands tingly

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

trembling has stopped for a bit

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

 

January 6, 2021

not much sleep

shaking, tired, weak, dizzy

8 AM for Pregabalin  50 mg

2 PM omega

itchy, weak, burning sensation in mouth

suppertime, itchy arm, itchy scalp

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM Pregabalin 50 mg

Tremors

 

January 7, 2021

slept 3 to 3 1/2 hours

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

9 AM itchy chest

12:45 vitamin D

went for a walk in the sunshine, tremors stop and go, hand slightly numb, nauseous

4 PM magnesium Glisan eight 100 mg

Half a teaspoon of baking soda with water

burning mouth afterwards, anxiety

10 days off gravel 50 mg

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

Cold feet

8 PM pregabalin 50 mg 

perked up in the evening

10 PM stomach ache and nausea

11:20 pm feeling better trembling stopped

 

 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Has the itching changed?

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January 8, 2021

panicky and tremors

slept four hours

12:45 PM vitamin D and olive oil

Feeling good tremors at a minimal, laughing today

Chiropractor appointment

4:45 PM magnesium

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

skin itchy, applied lotion, some nausea, hold hands, tremors 

 

January 9, 2021

slept 5 to 5 1/2 hours
8:45 a.m. Shoulders and upper part of body itchy, tense tired, lightheaded, dizzy, cold feet

1 PM getting more clarity, tremors are bad

4 PM vitamin D with olive oil

agitated and cold

6 PM hand slightly numb, trembling

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

7:30 PM itchy red chest, cold

8 PM for Gavin 50 mg

Can’t sleep really dizzy drank a lot of prune juice earlier ?

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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January 10, 2021

nausea, tired, tremors, feet cool.

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

itchy shoulders

4 PM magnesium glycinate 

mild burning sensation in throat, some anxiety

4:40 PM 2 gaviscon tabs.

Feet cold, nauseous 

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM pregabolin 50 mg

 

 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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January 10, 2021

nausea, tired, tremors, cool feet

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

itchy shoulders

4 PM magnesium Glycinate 

Mild burning in throat, some anxiety

4:40 PM to Gaviscon

Cold feet nauseous

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM pregabolin 50 mg

 

January 11, 2021

slept four hours

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

Headache, Tylenol 500, tremors, anxiety, intense, no energy, tired, watching what I eat, feeling a bit better

4 PM magnesium Glycinate 

4:30 PM dizzy, itchy, burning throat

9:10 PM Metamucil 1 teaspoon

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

Add nuts and seed mixture itchy?, Cold feet

10 PM reaction allergy to something I ate, maybe nut and seed mixture

 

 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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January 12, 2021

Slept six hours

Slight headache tired laid in bed

8 AM pregabolin  50 mg

feeling a bit better, trembling letting up

11 AM prune juice

2:30 PM had a hot chocolate!

4:35 PM magnesium Glycinate 100 mg

window in the afternoon till about 5:30 PM

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

feeling cold

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

10 PM yoghurt

10:30 PM itchy arms

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Hi Pens,

Any change in the itching?  Did you see Alto's last question?

 

Did you have these "tremors" before starting pregabalin and sertraline?

 

Did you skip the pregabalin, on January 9th?  That will throw you off if you do that.

 

And then I am just trying to look at your notes, with an eye towards do we need to split your 2 doses further, or not......before you next resume tapering.

And then, **important too, is that you'll want to take the 10 % off each dose, when you next taper.  It comes out to be the same, exactly, as if you take 10% of the total daily dose.

 

If you switch to homemade liquid again, it's best to do that gradually, not all at once, and then, not at the same time that you are doing a reduction. 

 

We usually suggest:

Same dose

1/4 liquid and 3/4 solid for total daily dose on days 1-3

1/2 liquid and 1/12 solid for total daily dose on days 4-6

3/4 liquid and 1/4 solid for total daily dose on days 7-9

And then to all liquid on day 10.  If at any point though there are bumps, you can stay longer at that stage, while your body adjusts to the change in formulation.

 

Looks like you've had some better moments Pens, but never an entire day really.  I don't blame you for feeling frustrated and tired of watching what you eat all the time.  You are doing a good job though, of trying to figure out what causes the allergic responses, I think.  Do you have an epi pen at home for "just in case", of a severe allergic reaction?

 

And I know you want off, the pregabablin......as soon as possible, but maybe there is some benefit?  Any at all of a positive benefit from the pregabalin?

And then, as you started both sertraline and pregabalin at the same time, how do you know which was the worst culprit for you?  If that makes sense.  I just wonder.  As I think that ordinarily, we'd go with the pregabalin being possibly more of a "brake", and then the sertraline, as an "accelerator", and would usually have you get off the sertraline first, and then the pregabalin.

 

But if you feel sure, that the pregabalin should go first, then tell me a bit more, on the why of that.

 

Okay Pens.  And sleep sweetie.  Oh my gosh, I can only imagine what even 3 or 4 nights of good long restorative sleeps would do for you.......so......I am hoping on that.

 

Thanks for all the updates, and notes.

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Feb. 23,2021

tylenol 500 mg for headache

6:00 am pregabolin. 25 mg

vit D 1000

1:00 pregabolin 25 mg

5:00 sertraline 50 mg

7:00 pregabolin 25 mg

 

tremors in hands, dizzy, confused tired. Had a short nap, coming up to my 4 wk hold on 75 mg pregabolin, haven’t been posting, needed some alone time. 

 

 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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February 25, 2021

6 AM pregabolin 25 mg

9 AM vitamin D 1000 mg

1 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

5 PM sertraline 50 mg

7 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

 

A.m. itchy chest and neck

  P.m. rigid muscles and shoulders and neck, tremors, numb hands

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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On 1/14/2021 at 8:53 PM, manymoretodays said:

Any change in the itching?  Did you see Alto's last question

Sorry, didn’t notice this until now. The itching isn’t as bad since I’ve decreased from 125 mg to 75 mg. I do have dry skin and have read that itching can be a side effect to pregabolin.

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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February 25, 2021

6 am pregabolin 25 mg.

1 pm pregabolin 25 mg

5 pm sertraline 50 mg

7 pm pregabolin 25 mg

 

morning dizzy tremors, tired, brain fog, anxiety

afternoon tremors increased, numb hands- this seems to happen after I eat in the afternoon, shallow breathing, anxiety from 1-5,

evening rigid muscles, neck and back

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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On 1/14/2021 at 8:53 PM, manymoretodays said:

if you feel sure, that the pregabalin should go first, then tell me a bit more, on the why of that.

I took sertraline back in 2015 for approximately six months and don’t remember feeling like this. I was working then full time and now I can barely function. I’ve read the side effects of pregabolin and im sure I have most of them.  I’m on week 4 of my 75 mg hold

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May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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On 1/14/2021 at 8:53 PM, manymoretodays said:

Same dose

1/4 liquid and 3/4 solid for total daily dose on days 1-3

1/2 liquid and 1/12 solid for total daily dose on days 4-6

3/4 liquid and 1/4 solid for total daily dose on days 7-9

And then to all liquid on day 10.  If at any point though there are bumps, you can stay longer at that stage, while your body adjusts to the change in formulation.

Not sure I understand the fractions part. Do I go down 10% on the morning pill (25) mg and hold for a week then go down 10% on the second pill and so on to the 3rd. 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Pens, 

What you quoted above is regarding a cross over from solid to liquid form of your pregablin.

If your 3 doses of 25 mg, are not all liquid yet, then you would need to do some form of cross over, based on what that quote directs.

 

If you are already on 3 doses, of liquified pregabalin, each 25 mg, for a total daily dose strength of 75 mg, then:

Calculate your 10% reduction based on the total daily dosage.

Here's an easy way to do that:

X signifies multiplying

75 mg(total daily dose) X .90 = 67.5 mg

Take the 67.5 mg and divide it by 3.

I get 22.5 mg, which now represents what you take for each of your 3 doses.

 

You can round up, or down if you need to for accuracy.  If you have a 1 mg per 1 mL solution of your pregablin liquid, you can just go with taking the volume of 22.5 mL, for each dose.

You should be able to measure 1/2 mL okay or 0.5 mL okay.

 

If your concentration is not 1 mg per 1 mL, and you need to round up or down, with the mg to accurately measure, that is okay.

You need to know, and certainly, we'd like to know the dose in mg that you are taking, when you report the pregabalin in notes, or in your signature.

 

mg stands for milligrams, the dose strength

mL stands for millileters, the volume of liquid

 

I hope that helps.  This way you will continue taking even dose strengths, for each of your doses.  And is the better way to go, to keep a nice steady level of the pregablin in your system each day.  You may still experience WD.

Have you experienced WD from pregablin with your other dose changes to it?

 

2 hours ago, Pens said:

I took sertraline back in 2015 for approximately six months and don’t remember feeling like this.

 

Chances are very good Pens, that your system is now more sensitized.  Which means that you can't go on and off drugs like you used to be able to do, and most likely won't have the same results from drugs that you once had. 

 

Is what you are feeling now worse than what you were feeling before you opted to go back on the drugs? 

And the mirtazapine WD, may be protracted, meaning that you may be still experiencing that.

Are you off the mirtazapine now?  Your signature is a little unclear.


AccountSettings/signature will take you there, when you get a chance to update, edit it.

 

And Pens, I'm only signing in sporadically, if I see something or someone I've worked with, that I think I might be able to quickly help, or answer.  I am doing some education/training/monk like ness and intensive work right now.  B)❤️

 

So....while scanning, saw your post......so I hope this helps. 

Do be brave, and know, that this isn't 2015 anymore!  6 years since, and some disruptions via the meds/drugs to your system since then.  Be patient, watch for the blessed Windows, and I applaud you, still trying to get med free one day.  Focus on the wellness that awaits. 😇

 

And best,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

If you are certain on that all the itchies are just dry skin, do your best to find solutions to that.  Lotions that you tolerate/hospital grade-  Lubriderm, Cetaphil(they also make a body wash), Aveeno are some that come to mind.  Go fragrance free, and as pure of ingrediants as you can.  Hospitals don't use all of those.  Coconut oil is amazing for dry skin.  Oatmeal baths- google them.  Etc.

 

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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55 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

you off the mirtazapine now?

Yes

You’re right about being sensitive. I’m very sensitive now to any medication or food. I think sometimes that’s why I have an allergic reaction. I’m going to stay at 75 mg a day for a bit until my poor body can settle. When the time comes I may ask you again how to cross over from the liquid to a solid so that it’s not an abrupt change. I understand the amounts it’s just when you talk about going from a pill to liquid form and only one pill at a time. No I am not on the liquid yet still taking pills.Thank you so much for your time and for helping me. All the best. ❤️

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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On 2/26/2021 at 2:31 PM, manymoretodays said:

ave you experienced WD from pregablin with your other dose changes to it?

Yes

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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On 1/14/2021 at 8:53 PM, manymoretodays said:

As I think that ordinarily, we'd go with the pregabalin being possibly more of a "brake", and then the sertraline, as an "accelerator", and would usually have you get off the sertraline first, and then the pregabalin.

Should I taper the sertraline first then. I’m just afraid how may depression will be. 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Feb 26,2021

 

6 am pregabolin 25 mg

1 pm pregabolin 25 mg

2 pm Reactin very itchy

5 pm sertraline 50 mg

7 pm pregabolin 25 mg

 

am tense muscles, tired, 

pm upset stomach, burning in chest took liquid gaviscon, something I ate?

 

Feb 27, 2021

 

6 am pregabolin 25 mg

1 pm pregabolin 25 mg

5 pm sertraline 50 mg

7 pm pregabolin 25 mg

 

am agitated,, dizzy, tired

 

 

 

 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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I’m trying to update my signature. It’s only 8 lines but it says I’m not following the guidelines. So it won’t let me.
 

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazepam for 2 weeks to help come off of pristiq, no longer taking mirtazapine.

April 2020-May 2020 escitolopram  10 mg

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg,

May 2020, pregabolin 75 mg.fluctuated between 75 and 25 mg 

May 2020-Dec. 2020 pantoprazol 40 mg, twice a day

Feb 2021 sertraline 50 mg. 
Feb 2021 pregabolin 75 mg. 25 x 3 morning , noon and evening

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May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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I read the topic on taking multiple medication i.e. anti-depressants and anticonvulsants. I understand now why you were asking me the questions you were and I’m not so anxious to come off of  PreGabalin now. I think maybe I’ll just sit and stabilize for a bit as I have been taking a lot of different meds and stopping them. Can’t be too good for my system. Thank you for your advice and help. 

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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February 28, 2021

6 AM pregabolin 25 mg

1 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

5 PM sertraline 50 mg

7 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

 

MorningTrembling upper body and right leg, numb feet

Afternoon nauseous, cold feet, tremors, very weak, toe joints ache

Evening, numb feet warm feet and hands itchy hands sore stomach nausea indigestion took half a teaspoon baking soda that helped

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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March 1st

6 AM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

9:30 AM omega

1 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

5 PM sertraline 50 mg

7 PM pregabolin  25 mg

 

upon waking mild headache

A.m. itchy chest, tired, no motivation, tremors

afternoon, trembling, dizzy, weak, slightly itchy, agitated, cold feet, itchy dry scalp, burning sensation in mouth, body feeling cold

evening soak feet in Epson salts and castor oil

1 teaspoon of Metamucil

stomach a bit tender bad indigestion

feeling a bit better

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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On 2/27/2021 at 7:57 PM, Pens said:

Should I taper the sertraline first then. I’m just afraid how may depression will be. 

 

On 3/1/2021 at 6:59 AM, Pens said:

I read the topic on taking multiple medication i.e. anti-depressants and anticonvulsants. I understand now why you were asking me the questions you were and I’m not so anxious to come off of  PreGabalin now. I think maybe I’ll just sit and stabilize for a bit as I have been taking a lot of different meds and stopping them. Can’t be too good for my system. Thank you for your advice and help. 

 

Hi Pens,

And it's looking like you are still pretty miserable overall, I think.  I'm not seeing any activities or anything to your days in your notes.

Are you getting out much, or functioning in your daily work at all?  Are you able to get to some housework, and outside for essentials, and perhaps walking or other?  Doing okay with your dear husband, and any other social right now, outside of doctors appointments, and while we all are still in pandemic precautions, and all.  Man, I hope so.......this month marks a year of it all, in my area. 

 

And so, I think you've discovered that you aren't going to tolerate any real rapid tapers with the pregabalin now.

Although you have managed to go, I think from an initial dose of 150 mg/day to your present 75 mg per day. 

Which is great Pens!  I mean it really is.

 

I'm not sure that beginning to taper sertraline right now, would be best.  I mean, if it were me, I might, give your more recent tapers from the pregabalin, a bit more time to settle, before embarking on the sertraline taper.  And what you might try then, as you have not gone to all liquid yet with the pregablin, would be to do it by dose, while not tapering at all.

You'd be doing it by 3rds that way.

Change one dose to liquid, and hold for 3-7 days, or longer, if needed.

And then on to the second dose, and hold.......

And then on to the third, and hold..........

And then just stay put on the 75 mg/day.......but you'll have it all in liquid, and ready to go, for when you taper pregabalin again.

 

Taking multiple psych drugs? Which drug to taper first?

 

Tips for tapering Zoloft(sertraline)

 

And then, sure........I mean I don't really know which drug might be harder on your allergies right now.  But it does look like you still are having so many allergic type skin reactions.  And then you are sensitive in other ways as well.  The trembling, cold, burning, and stomach symptoms  could be WD.  I mean certainly if they have arisen during the pregabalin tapering.

And again I would not expect instant relief from any of them, when and if you do begin tapering sertraline.

 

I think yes, you could commence with a sertraline taper next.  Might be best though, to wait a couple months to begin that.  I'm thinking 3 months optimally.  Maybe......on 2 months.  From your last taper of pregabalin.

 

Trust me Pens, that 50 mg of sertraline is not magically fixing some chemically based depression that you have.  I mean yes, you have altered the chemicals in your brain and body, and their receptors, for 10 or 12 years now, and that alone is not an easy task to recover from.  And then you had lot's of different drugs too now.  It's going to take time.  But it can help if you begin to believe that you can manage lows in a new and different way, outside of drugs or medications. 

What do you do now, when you feel low and unmotivated, and like you couldn't care less?  Do you have a particular faith?  Do you pray or meditate?  Mildly exercise or get moving?  Write, paint, craft- knit, crochet, sew, other?  Play an instrument or enjoy music?  Talk with like minded others?  A therapist?  CBT or DBT?

So many paths to freedom from "depression".

 

And looks like I need to go to a second reply, I want to leave you with some basics for review:

 

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Again, chemical imbalance is a myth. Stop the lies please.

 
 
 
 
Any windows of note Pens?  And your sleep?  You holding steady with 4-6 hours still?
And maybe, realistically, just working towards minimal dosages with your current medications......and then upping in the meantime any and all alternative coping that you can come up with.......outside of additional supplements, or ingestible additives.  I mean things like Spirituality, or meditation/prayer, or even self help in the form of CBT, DBT, or a therapist if you want to go that direction.  It can take time to find a good therapist guide......or it did for me, and for many......but I'm glad I've got one that knows me well, listens without diagnosing, or even having rights to a prescription pad,  and can support and encourage, as well as give me tools to cope sometimes.  I will never stop collecting coping tools.  LOL.  B)😇💜
 
Best, L, P, H, and G,
mmt
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Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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17 hours ago, manymoretodays said:
17 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

you getting out much, or functioning in your daily work at all?  Are you able to get to some housework, and outside for essentials, and perhaps walking or other?  Doing okay with your dear husband

Good morning, yes I try and get out for a walk every day it is in a very long walk but I try to get it when you’re some sunshine. Once a week for groceries and I can do the basic household cleaning. I’m retired so I don’t have to go to work but I don’t think I’d be able to anyway. I like to read books and I do knit. It’s great support for me and I

 

17 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

windows of note Pens?  And your sleep?  You holding steady with 4-6 hours I am a Christian so I have my faith as well.

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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17 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

windows of note Pens?  And your sleep?  You holding steady with 4-6 hours still?

I’m still getting 4-6 hours sleep. I think the pre-Gabalin is helping with that. Not too many windows but the last couple days I have been feeling a bit better. I think that’s good advice for me to hold for a bit I’ve been pretty brutal to my body. And I’m sensitive to a lot of things light, sound food etc. Between COVID-19 and trying to Be free of these drugs, I’m learning what is important in life. In my case, God, my family, and my health.  Thank you ever so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to help me. I pray you and your family will be safe. And I will sit tight for a while thanks again

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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March 2, 2021

6 AM pregabolin 25 mg

1 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

5 PM sertraline 50 mg

7 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

7:30 PM Reactin, itchy all over

 

Woke up with slight headache took Tylenol 500 mg,

a.m. tired, agitated, trembling, numb hands, cold feet

Suppertime muscles and neck stiff, heaviness in chest took a Rolaids

 

March 3, 2021

6 AM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

1 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

5 PM sertraline 50 mg

7 PM pre-Gabalin 25 mg

 

Took a shower with Aveeno for dry skin, took vitamin E in a.m. tremors not as bad a little better today

pm 1 tsp of ACV for digestion.

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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@manymoretodaysdo you know who I can get help with changing my signature I’ve edited it to make more sense but it won’t let me. It keeps saying I’m not following the guidelines here’s my new signature

 

 

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazepam for 2 weeks to help come off of pristiq, no longer taking mirtazapine.

April 2020-May 2020 escitolopram  10 mg

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg,

May 2020, pregabolin 75 mg.

May 2020-Dec. 2020 pantoprazol 40 mg, twice a day

Feb 2021 sertraline 50 mg. 
Feb 2021 pregabolin 75 mg. 25 x 3 morning , noon and evening

 

May 2020,  sertraline 100 mg, pregabalin 150 mg.Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg,

Sept-Oct, 2020, Sertraline 50 mg and pregabalin 100 mg. Oct. 10/21 currently tapering sertraline @ 42.8 mg water method @ 5% pregabalin @ 51.6 mg.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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