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January 2, 2021

Slept 3 1/2 hours,

trembling itchy face

1:10 PM omega

breathing a lot better since stopping gravel 50 mg

3:30 PM tense and rigid cognitive clearing a bit

2 PM forget 110 Ml. Numb cold hands

2:30 PM half a teaspoon of baking soda

4:30 PM tremors or less

6:30 PM hands numb

7 PM sertraline 50 mg 

tense, itchy

8:30 PM for Gavin 50 mg

10 PM Metamucil 1 teaspoon

 

January 3 four hours sleep

8 AM pregabolin 50 mg

trembling, uncoordinated, confused

2:30 PM omega, vitamin D, tired

2:00 Stopped pre Gabalin 10 ML. Now at 100 mg a day

5 PM agitated, tremors, feeling a bit normal, some clarity

6 PM omega

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

hands numb feel cold

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

itchy, breathing better

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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Pens, it appears you have an allergic reaction to one of your drugs. When did the itching start? Why are you changing pregabalin? How much pregabalin is in 10mL?

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Jan 4, 2021

4 1/2 sleep

agitated, arm a bit itchy, tremors, cold, very sensitive to light, noise or negative surroundings.

8:00 am pregabolin 50 ml.

omega and vit D

12:00 dizzy, weak, feeling coming back into hands and feet, unsteady, feels like body is under construction, 

2:00 went for a walk along harbour 

5:30 omega, vit D

7:00 sertraline 50 mg

8:00 pregabolin 50 mg

itchy scalp, hair falling out for a while

9:00 feeling better

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Pens, it appears you have an allergic reaction to one of your drugs. When did the itching start? Why are you changing pregabalin? How much pregabalin is in 10mL?

I’m very sensitive to any meds. I seem to have reactions to any antidepressants right now. I even have to watch what I eat. I don’t like the side effects to pregabolin and the doctor gave it to me for mood only. I’m not taking that much sertraline. I had it once a long time ago. Not for very long and didn’t experience the tremors ect. That I’m having now. Was using a syringe to taper with 10 ml. Not taking it now though. I’m presently taking 50 mg in the morning and 50 mg. In the evening for 1 month.  
 

thankyou for mentioning the Reactin previously. Since then I have stopped taking it and Gravol and my breathing has improved.

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Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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1 hour ago, Pens said:

How much pregabalin is in 10mL?

I was taking pregabolin three times a day. 50/25/50. I started tapering the 25 mg dose and got it down to 10 ml. Which I am no longer taking. 

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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Hi Pens,

 

Was your 10 mL equivalent to 10 mg though Pens?

That was the question.  I think you had related to me that it was.  And you need to report doses in mg or milligrams.

 

I think you still may be shifting too much at once, personally.  Dropping this and that, in tandem, rarely, if ever pans out.

 

I know you were waiting for a response to this, and then a previous question on how to split your dosing of pregablin:

 

On 1/2/2021 at 8:14 AM, Pens said:

Happy new year. 
Monday I will be stopping the 10 ml. Pregabolin  and wondered if I should start taking 25 mg pill four times a day or if I should just wait a month after I stop taking the 10 ml. If that makes sense.

 

Were you liquifying the one mid-day dose?  And how?  What concentration?

How are you liquifying your 8am dose now?

 

And I would think 3 times a day to get your 99 or 100 mg dose of pregabalin in each day?

I'm wondering what you might have done since the 4th, I do see that it appears you are taking a liquid dose in the morning now.  Please report the dose, in milligrams(mg) and not the mL or millileter.

 

When you started the pregabalin last May, how were you splitting it?  I mean, was it 3 times each day for the total dose, or 4 times each day?  How was this prescribed to you?

 

I'm thinking if you go to 3 times/day for your total dose of 100 mg, that it should be done gradually, and not all at once.  Just like when one goes to liquid from solid, we strongly suggest a gradual cross over.

 

So next you might, just HOLD on using the a liquid in the morning, and your solid form of pregabalin in the evening for a bit longer.  And then eventually, if it was me, and I wanted to get to split doses three times a day.........I might go with liquidfying the PM dose next, and HOLDING, for at least a week after, and then......depending on how you are adjusting, go to 33 mg of pregabalin, at 8 am, 2 pm, and then 8 pm. 

How does that sound?  You've been doing 8 am, 2 pm, and then 8 pm?

 

If you went every 6 hours though, you'd need to go with 25 mg, at 8 am, 2 pm, 8 pm, and then a 2 am dose.

That's why I'm asking how it was prescribed in the first place.

 

And okay, so you feel less allergic after ditching all your antihistamines?  The Gravol and Reactin?

 

Try, try to hold steady for at least a week, and again, one change at a time too.

 

And Notes, you have got those down.  Narratives are okay too Pens, just separate them out from the Notes. 

And apologies, I'm not always here......well here, as much as I used to be, as I move into ski-ing and Yoga certification training.  And have all my usual other stuff going too.  So the clearer your information is, including signature, and everything......makes it easier when others might come by to help.

 

Okie doke.

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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22 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

your 10 mL equivalent to 10 mg though Pens?

That was the question.  I think you had related to me that it was.  And you need to report doses in mg or milligrams.

10 ml. Was liquid and equivalent to the 10 milligrams. I mixed a capsule of 25 mg with 25 ML of water.

 

22 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

How are you liquifying your 8am dose now

 

22 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

you started the pregabalin last May, how were you splitting it?  I mean, was it 3 times each day for the total dose, or 4 times each day?  How was this

I’m taking a 50 mg capsule at eight in the morning and eight in the evening. I discontinued the 10 ML of liquid at 2 PM.

 

As of the end of November my doctor started to prescribe 50 mg of pregabolin  capsule form Three times a day I only did that for a couple days then tapered the 2 o’clock dose down to 25 mL of liquid, I was mixing a 25 mg capsule with 25 mL of water.. Then began tapering down to 10 ml. And now I’m just taking a 50 mg pill in the morning and one at night. For a total. of 100 mg.  Before that I was taking once in the evenings, about 125 mg  two 50 and a 25 pills together.  Very chaotic. Now it’s more stable. Noticing my prescription bottle says pre Gabalin 50 mg one caplet twice daily and one 25  mg caplet as directed, which I was taking at 2 o’clock in the afternoon but have discontinued

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Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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January 5, 2021

Slept?

8 AM pregabalin 50 mg

Tremors, sensitive to light and sound, dizzy

omega

Bad nerves, weak

645 hands tingly

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

trembling has stopped for a bit

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

 

January 6, 2021

not much sleep

shaking, tired, weak, dizzy

8 AM for Pregabalin  50 mg

2 PM omega

itchy, weak, burning sensation in mouth

suppertime, itchy arm, itchy scalp

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM Pregabalin 50 mg

Tremors

 

January 7, 2021

slept 3 to 3 1/2 hours

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

9 AM itchy chest

12:45 vitamin D

went for a walk in the sunshine, tremors stop and go, hand slightly numb, nauseous

4 PM magnesium Glisan eight 100 mg

Half a teaspoon of baking soda with water

burning mouth afterwards, anxiety

10 days off gravel 50 mg

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

Cold feet

8 PM pregabalin 50 mg 

perked up in the evening

10 PM stomach ache and nausea

11:20 pm feeling better trembling stopped

 

 

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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Has the itching changed?

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January 8, 2021

panicky and tremors

slept four hours

12:45 PM vitamin D and olive oil

Feeling good tremors at a minimal, laughing today

Chiropractor appointment

4:45 PM magnesium

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

skin itchy, applied lotion, some nausea, hold hands, tremors 

 

January 9, 2021

slept 5 to 5 1/2 hours
8:45 a.m. Shoulders and upper part of body itchy, tense tired, lightheaded, dizzy, cold feet

1 PM getting more clarity, tremors are bad

4 PM vitamin D with olive oil

agitated and cold

6 PM hand slightly numb, trembling

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

7:30 PM itchy red chest, cold

8 PM for Gavin 50 mg

Can’t sleep really dizzy drank a lot of prune juice earlier ?

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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January 10, 2021

nausea, tired, tremors, feet cool.

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

itchy shoulders

4 PM magnesium glycinate 

mild burning sensation in throat, some anxiety

4:40 PM 2 gaviscon tabs.

Feet cold, nauseous 

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM pregabolin 50 mg

 

 

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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January 10, 2021

nausea, tired, tremors, cool feet

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

itchy shoulders

4 PM magnesium Glycinate 

Mild burning in throat, some anxiety

4:40 PM to Gaviscon

Cold feet nauseous

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

8 PM pregabolin 50 mg

 

January 11, 2021

slept four hours

8 AM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

Headache, Tylenol 500, tremors, anxiety, intense, no energy, tired, watching what I eat, feeling a bit better

4 PM magnesium Glycinate 

4:30 PM dizzy, itchy, burning throat

9:10 PM Metamucil 1 teaspoon

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

Add nuts and seed mixture itchy?, Cold feet

10 PM reaction allergy to something I ate, maybe nut and seed mixture

 

 

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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January 12, 2021

Slept six hours

Slight headache tired laid in bed

8 AM pregabolin  50 mg

feeling a bit better, trembling letting up

11 AM prune juice

2:30 PM had a hot chocolate!

4:35 PM magnesium Glycinate 100 mg

window in the afternoon till about 5:30 PM

7 PM sertraline 50 mg

feeling cold

8 PM pre-Gabalin 50 mg

10 PM yoghurt

10:30 PM itchy arms

Pristiq 50 mg, 3 years, given mirtazapine 15 mg and lorazapam to help come off of pristiq, 

May 2020,  sertraline 50 mg, pregabolin 100 mg. Pantoprazol 40 mg,  twice a day

Since then I have discontinued pantoprazoleDec. 2020 Sertraline 50 mg at 7 PM

Dec 2020 pre-Gabalin 110 mg, prescribed for depression.  I am presently tapering down on this. 10% a month, tremors, brain fog, dizzy, confusion , unmotivated 

Nov 25 started three doses a day, they were 50/25/50. Before that 125 mg evening. Dec. 50/10/50 Dec 28 2020, STOPPED Gravol 50 ml. Jan. 3, 2021 stopped 2:00 p.m. pregabolin 10 ml. Liquid. And am taking 50 mg capsule at 8:00 AM and 8: p.m.

Supplements magnesium glycinate 100 mg, omega off and on

 

 


 

 

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Hi Pens,

Any change in the itching?  Did you see Alto's last question?

 

Did you have these "tremors" before starting pregabalin and sertraline?

 

Did you skip the pregabalin, on January 9th?  That will throw you off if you do that.

 

And then I am just trying to look at your notes, with an eye towards do we need to split your 2 doses further, or not......before you next resume tapering.

And then, **important too, is that you'll want to take the 10 % off each dose, when you next taper.  It comes out to be the same, exactly, as if you take 10% of the total daily dose.

 

If you switch to homemade liquid again, it's best to do that gradually, not all at once, and then, not at the same time that you are doing a reduction. 

 

We usually suggest:

Same dose

1/4 liquid and 3/4 solid for total daily dose on days 1-3

1/2 liquid and 1/12 solid for total daily dose on days 4-6

3/4 liquid and 1/4 solid for total daily dose on days 7-9

And then to all liquid on day 10.  If at any point though there are bumps, you can stay longer at that stage, while your body adjusts to the change in formulation.

 

Looks like you've had some better moments Pens, but never an entire day really.  I don't blame you for feeling frustrated and tired of watching what you eat all the time.  You are doing a good job though, of trying to figure out what causes the allergic responses, I think.  Do you have an epi pen at home for "just in case", of a severe allergic reaction?

 

And I know you want off, the pregabablin......as soon as possible, but maybe there is some benefit?  Any at all of a positive benefit from the pregabalin?

And then, as you started both sertraline and pregabalin at the same time, how do you know which was the worst culprit for you?  If that makes sense.  I just wonder.  As I think that ordinarily, we'd go with the pregabalin being possibly more of a "brake", and then the sertraline, as an "accelerator", and would usually have you get off the sertraline first, and then the pregabalin.

 

But if you feel sure, that the pregabalin should go first, then tell me a bit more, on the why of that.

 

Okay Pens.  And sleep sweetie.  Oh my gosh, I can only imagine what even 3 or 4 nights of good long restorative sleeps would do for you.......so......I am hoping on that.

 

Thanks for all the updates, and notes.

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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