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Hi nic,

 

This could very well be a pattern. I've had the same feelings as you do. I noticed a pattern too as long as I didn't change anything concerning diet, sleep, meds. As soon as something changes things tend to ramp up.

 

We have a 1 year old boy (and a 8 year old one,😉) and he kept me awake more than I can remember. I was tapering ( and still am) citalopram and sometimes when I got up after 5 hours of lousy sleep I just wanted to end my life. That's how horrible it felt. I had to go to work every day and somehow this pattern developed where I felt horrible in the morning and perfectly fine 8 in the evening.

 

What I want to say to you is this: you have been changing dose because you were desperate. The more you try to find the holy Grail of "your perfect dose" the harder it is to stabilize. Stick to your current dose and try to keep things as stable as possible. This will get you the shortest time of misery.

 

I know it feels horrible to feel attached from your child. This too is wd. Sometimes I'm completely in love with my baby but some moments I don't feel anything. This is horrible but I try to accept it. Just remember that this is temporary. In your heart you know you love your kid!

 

Stick to your dosage and tough it out. I'm always tempted to make changes (see my topic) but try to keep it slow. And......try not to overthink stuff. I know you accidentally took 20 mg but thinking about  this ramps things up even more. There was a time I was calculating and reading for two hours a day. All about schemes, taper mechanism, coping skills etc. The more I read the more insecure I got.

 

Sometimes we have to just wait and live. Let nature do it's thing.

 

I wish you all the best!!!

 

 

Jozeff

- 2016 - Okt 2017 citalopram some months 15 mg some months 20 mg

- Nov 2017- Apr 2018 citalopram 25 mg

- April 2018 -  June 2018 citalopram 3 month TAPER too fast  from 25mg to 16.5 mg (0.1 mg per day decrease, felt horrible and crashed)

- June 2018 - Aug13th 2018 citalopram trying to stabilize at 16.5 mg for 5 weeks, felt absolutely awful.

- August 14th 2018 - April 29th 2019  citalopram 18 mg (1.5 mg updose). Try to stabilize.-

START TAPER 29 apr 2019 @ 18 mg,    29th Jun 16.4 mg / 19th aug 15.4 mg / 25th Aug 15.2 mg / 30th sep 14.0 mg / 4th dec 13.1 mg2020 citalopram taper approx 1 % per week: 03rd Jan 12.75 mg / 28 Jan 12.29 mg / 18th Feb 11.83 mg, 25th Feb 11.68 mg hold../7th May 11.33 mg hold, 4th Aug 10.98 mg. Holding because of not feeling well.

 

 

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Hi @Altostrata, I reinstated Lexapro 2 months ago thanks to your kind advice and I have stabilised. Is it vital for me to stay on the Lexapro for around 3 months before beginning my slow taper? I am h

37 minutes ago, jozeff said:

Hi nic,

 

This could very well be a pattern. I've had the same feelings as you do. I noticed a pattern too as long as I didn't change anything concerning diet, sleep, meds. As soon as something changes things tend to ramp up.

 

We have a 1 year old boy (and a 8 year old one,😉) and he kept me awake more than I can remember. I was tapering ( and still am) citalopram and sometimes when I got up after 5 hours of lousy sleep I just wanted to end my life. That's how horrible it felt. I had to go to work every day and somehow this pattern developed where I felt horrible in the morning and perfectly fine 8 in the evening.

 

What I want to say to you is this: you have been changing dose because you were desperate. The more you try to find the holy Grail of "your perfect dose" the harder it is to stabilize. Stick to your current dose and try to keep things as stable as possible. This will get you the shortest time of misery.

 

I know it feels horrible to feel attached from your child. This too is wd. Sometimes I'm completely in love with my baby but some moments I don't feel anything. This is horrible but I try to accept it. Just remember that this is temporary. In your heart you know you love your kid!

 

Stick to your dosage and tough it out. I'm always tempted to make changes (see my topic) but try to keep it slow. And......try not to overthink stuff. I know you accidentally took 20 mg but thinking about  this ramps things up even more. There was a time I was calculating and reading for two hours a day. All about schemes, taper mechanism, coping skills etc. The more I read the more insecure I got.

 

Sometimes we have to just wait and live. Let nature do it's thing.

 

I wish you all the best!!!

 

 

Jozeff

Hi @jozeff, I really appreciate your words of advice. Sorry to hear about your struggles. It gives me some comfort to know that there are others also going through the same thing as I am, with kids. It means that you understand. The lack of sleep you went through and the fact that you still had to go to work sounds horrendous - sorry again to hear about that. I will definitely take your advice and stick to my dose to try and stabilise. Wishing you all the very best with your tapering journey and thank you for reaching out. 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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Hi @ChessieCat, since we last spoke I have been on a wild ride. I so badly wanted to take your advice but I was suicidal from morning to night every single day (no windows and only waves). My family forced me to be admitted to a mental health ward on the 7th of September and my psychiatrist took charge of my meds. He CT me from Lexapro and put me on 75mg Nortriptyline. He also put me on 5mg of Olanzapine on the 15th of September because I could not sleep. I reduced the Olanzapine to 2.5mg last night because I haven't been on it for long. This week I have actually felt a huge improvement in my mood - almost feeling like myself again. However, I obviously don't want to stay on this cocktail of drugs. I want to reduce either the Olanzapine or the Diazepam first. I do not want to reduce the Nortriptyline at this current time. 

I am so sorry that I could not follow your advice but I feel like I was on the verge of killing myself so I had to hand over my care. I have an 18 month old son relying on me. Can you advise as to whether it would be best to go off the Olanzapine first or the Diazepam? I have only been on the Olanzapine since the 15th of September so I am wondering if a fast taper could be an option, and then I will slowly taper off the Diazepam. What are your thoughts? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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13 hours ago, Nicjk said:

Can you advise as to whether it would be best to go off the Olanzapine first or the Diazepam? I have only been on the Olanzapine since the 15th of September so I am wondering if a fast taper could be an option, and then I will slowly taper off the Diazepam. What are your thoughts? 

Since you've been on the Olanzapine for only 15 days, I'd suggest a fast taper off it first.  Generally you're at a danger of withdrawal after one month, so you're well within the time frame for a fast taper.  You could stay on the 2.5mg for 4 more days. If the Olanzapine is a tablet, you could cut it in half for a dose of 1.25mg for 5 days, then zero.

 

Regarding the diazepam, since you've been on it for almost 2 months, very likely you're physiologically dependent so you'll need to do a standard 10% taper.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Your previous reduction from 10mg to 7mg was 30%, a good bit more than our recommendation.

 

I'd wait a bit after you get off the Olanzapine to let things settle before beginning your Diazepam taper.

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Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


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48 minutes ago, Gridley said:

Your previous reduction from 10mg to 7mg was 30%, a good bit more than our recommendation.

Hi @Gridley, thanks very much for your recommendations. Since I only dropped from 8mg Diazepam to 7mg on Tuesday (29th September) should I go back up to 8mg and hold for a while? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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16 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

Since I only dropped from 8mg Diazepam to 7mg on Tuesday (29th September) should I go back up to 8mg and hold for a while? 

How are you feeling?

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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27 minutes ago, Gridley said:

How are you feeling?

I am actually feeling pretty good (minimal anxiety) but I know that diazepam has a long half life so I hope my last reduction doesn't catch up to me

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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4 hours ago, Gridley said:

How are you feeling?

If I do start feeling WD anxiety (I can tell it apart from regular anxiety) over the next few days would you suggest I go back up to 8mg and hold? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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12 hours ago, Nicjk said:

If I do start feeling WD anxiety (I can tell it apart from regular anxiety) over the next few days would you suggest I go back up to 8mg and hold? 

Yes, you could do that.  The updose period for benzos is much shorter (2 to 4 weeks) than for ADs, but you're still well within that period.

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Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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8 hours ago, Gridley said:

Yes, you could do that.  The updose period for benzos is much shorter (2 to 4 weeks) than for ADs, but you're still well within that period.

Thanks @Gridley. I had an anxious day yesterday so I played it safe and updosed to 8mg Diazepam. I will stick to that dose for a while so that I’m stable while coming off the Olanzapine. I was put on the Olanzapine because I had bad insomnia - I’m scared that the insomnia will be an issue again when I come off the drug. Can you recommend anything that will help with the sleep once I come off it? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

Can you recommend anything that will help with the sleep once I come off it? 

 

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@Nicjk

 

Some members have found melatonin helpful with insomnia.

 

Melatonin for sleep   It's best to start at a very low dosage, such as .25mg, and gradually increase if needed to the lowest effective dose.  

 

I've read that 0.3mg is an ideal dose. (Of course, everyone is different.)  0.3mg is what I take.  A brand that's exactly .3mg is available on Amazon at this link:

 

(available on Amazon)

 

 

 

 

 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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On 10/2/2020 at 7:14 AM, Gridley said:

 You could stay on the 2.5mg for 4 more days

Hi @Gridley, would you suggest that I stay on the 2.5mg for a full seven nights? Or would 5 nights be enough? And thank you for your suggestion regarding the melatonin 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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7 hours ago, Nicjk said:

would you suggest that I stay on the 2.5mg for a full seven nights? Or would 5 nights be enough? And thank you for your suggestion regarding the melatonin 

Five nights would be enough.  I wrote the following on Thursday, Oct. 1.

 

On 10/1/2020 at 4:14 PM, Gridley said:

 You could stay on the 2.5mg for 4 more days. If the Olanzapine is a tablet, you could cut it in half for a dose of 1.25mg for 5 days, then zero.

 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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11 hours ago, Gridley said:

Five nights would be enough.  I wrote the following on Thursday, Oct. 1.

 

 

Thank you. Just wanted to make sure. I’ve been taking 2.5mg since the 30th October which means that tonight I’ll be dropping to half for 5 nights. 
Unbelievable how much weight I have gained from this drug in such a short time! 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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tips-to-help-sleep-so-many-of-us-have-that-awful-withdrawal-insomnia

 

There are lots of links in Post #1.

 

@ChessieCat thank you for this info. As you are in Australia, have you spoken to any members living in VIC that have psychiatrists willing to assist with a 10% taper off meds? My psychiatrist is still convinced that I can go cold turkey after being on diazepam for 2 months and my long term doctor has told me to drop 1mg per week. I would like to find a psychiatrist that will be open to writing scripts to a compounding pharmacy (once I have been off Olanzapine for a bit). 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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On 10/4/2020 at 8:09 AM, Shep said:

 

This may be worth printing out to take to doctors who aren't informed on the problems with these drugs. 

 

 

fda-requiring-boxed-warning-updated-to-improve-safe-use-of-benzodiazepine-drug-class

 

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ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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3 hours ago, Nicjk said:

I would like to find a psychiatrist that will be open to writing scripts to a compounding pharmacy (once I have been off Olanzapine for a bit). 

 

What drug are you referring to?  I believe that in America it is necessary to get a prescription written for compounding a drug.  However, here in Australia all i needed to do was take my tablets to the compounding pharmacy and tell them what I needed.  But I am not a member of a health fund so it could be that you might be covered for the cost of compounding and that you will need a script.  I suggest you contact a compounding pharmacy and ask them what is required.

 

getting-custom-dosages-at-compounding-pharmacies-us-uk-canada-and-elsewhere

 

You do not need to have a psychiatric write the script.  Any doctor can do that.  Also, you do not need to have a doctor on board to taper your drug.  All you need is to have a doctor who will write the prescription for what you need.  I suggest you check out this topic about how other members do this.  how-to-talk-to-a-doctor-about-tapering-and-withdrawal-what-to-expect

 

If it is an antidepressant you will be tapering you might find it helpful to print out this document too:  Stopping antidepressants

 

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ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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7 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

What drug are you referring to? 

I am referring to diazepam. Thank you for the info - I will look into it. On another note, I updosed my diazepam from 7mg to 8mg on Friday the 2nd of October but I am still feeling bad withdrawals. Is it possible that my brain just needs more time to adjust to the updose? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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On 10/3/2020 at 12:05 AM, Gridley said:

Yes, you could do that.  The updose period for benzos is much shorter (2 to 4 weeks) than for ADs, but you're still well within that period.

Hi @Gridley, I updosed to 8mg diazepam on Friday the 2nd of October. Yesterday I had extremely intense anxiety all day and last night I didn’t sleep. Do you think my updose has had a paradoxical reaction?

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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52 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

Do you think my updose has had a paradoxical reaction?

It's possible though I would've expected it Saturday rather than yesterday.  How are you today?

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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4 minutes ago, Gridley said:

It's possible though I would've expected it Saturday rather than yesterday.  How are you today?

The anxiety did start on Saturday mildly but it peaked yesterday. Today I am exhausted and anxious. Is there anything I can do about this? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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57 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

Is there anything I can do about this? 

 I would make no further changes to Diazepam or Olanzapine.  Let's see how you are tomorrow.

 

Doing some detective work (please check me on this):

Aug 5 to Tuesday, Sept. 29  tapered Diazepam from 10 to 7 

Wed., Sept. 30 dropped Olanzapine from 5mg to 2.5.  

Friday, Oct. 2 Updosed Diazepam from 7 to 8 

Sat. Oct. 3 mild symptoms began

Sunday, Oct. 4  dropped Olanzapine from 2.5 to 1.25.  

Sun. Oct. 4 anxiety and insomnia peaked

Monday, Oct. 5 exhausted and anxious.

 

Please update your signature to show this timeline.

 

Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

 

This restorative yoga posture helps with anxiety.

 

10 minute Restorative Yoga for Relaxation | Up the wall

 

 

Edited by Gridley

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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@Nicjk

 

Nickjk,

 

How are you doing today?

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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3 hours ago, Gridley said:

@Nicjk

 

Nickjk,

 

How are you doing today?

Hi @Gridley, I am ashamed to say that I upped my dose of Olanzapine back to 5mg for the last two nights, because insomnia is a huge trigger for my anxiety. Last night I managed to get a decent amount of sleep so I am probably 5/10 anxious today instead of 10/10. I am starting to think it will be better for me to stay on the Olanzapine (Zyprexa) while I taper my diazepam, then tackle the Olanzapine. What are your thoughts? I have updated my signature

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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12 hours ago, Nicjk said:

thoughts?

That sounds fine.  I'm glad you got some sleep and are feeling better.

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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On 10/7/2020 at 10:26 PM, Gridley said:

That sounds fine.  I'm glad you got some sleep and are feeling better.

hi @Gridley, I have stabilised well on my diazepam and I am going to start reducing it slowly very soon. I am having issues on 5mg Olanzapine (huge hunger, head spins when standing up, daytime tiredness). Do you think it is now too late to reduce my dosage back to 2.5mg without tapering? I found that dosage much more tolerable 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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12 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

Do you think it is now too late to reduce my dosage back to 2.5mg without tapering? I found that dosage much more tolerable 

Changing your dosage so many times is very destabilizing.   If you want to reduce the Olanzapine, I would taper down rather than drop to 2.5.  That would mean you'd have to delay the Diazepam taper until you'd gotten down to where you want to be on the Olanzapine.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Tips for tapering off olanzapine (Zyprexa)

 

 

 

  

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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1 hour ago, Gridley said:

Changing your dosage so many times is very destabilizing.   If you want to reduce the Olanzapine, I would taper down rather than drop to 2.5.

Is it possible that I will be ok dropping down to 2.5mg because I have only taken the medication for just on a month? My diazepam taper is only going to start again in a few weeks 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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2 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

I have only taken the medication for just on a month?

 

It can take as little as 1 month for the brain to fully adapt to taking a psychiatric drug.  You might be able to go faster than 10% but I think it would be better to do a 10% reduction first and see how you go.  You might be able to make another 10% reduction after 2-3 weeks instead of holding for 4 weeks.  Please note that you will need listen to your body/symptoms and hold if/when necessary.

NEW!!!              INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder               NEW!!! 

 

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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3 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

It can take as little as 1 month for the brain to fully adapt to taking a psychiatric drug.  You might be able to go faster than 10% but I think it would be better to do a 10% reduction first and see how you go.  You might be able to make another 10% reduction after 2-3 weeks instead of holding for 4 weeks.  Please note that you will need listen to your body/symptoms and hold if/when necessary.

Thanks @ChessieCat. I am still unsure about how to reduce by 10% seeing as the pills aren't water soluble - do you have further info for me? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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If you are talking about Olanzapine, please see Gridley's last post.

NEW!!!              INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder               NEW!!! 

 

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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On 10/15/2020 at 3:13 PM, ChessieCat said:

If you are talking about Olanzapine, please see Gridley's last post.

Hi @ChessieCat, which would be best for me to taper first - diazepam or olanzapine? I am not sure of which is more active 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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From https://reference.medscape.com/drug-interactionchecker

 

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diazepam + olanzapine

diazepam and olanzapine both increase sedation.

 

 

 

 

From Tips for tapering off olanzapine (Zyprexa)

 

On 2/8/2013 at 2:00 PM, Altostrata said:

 

Olanzapine is an atypical antipsychotic with a number of serious drug interactions and side effects, weight gain, blood sugar elevation, and movement disorders among them.

 

 

From https://www.drugs.com/sfx/zyprexa-side-effects.html

 

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Common side effects of Zyprexa include: asthenia, dizziness, drowsiness, extrapyramidal reaction, hyperkinetic muscle activity, akinesia, cogwheel rigidity, drug-induced parkinson's disease, dyspepsia, mask-like face, and xerostomia. Other side effects include: abnormal gait, back pain, constipation, fever, orthostatic hypotension, weight gain, myoclonus, and personality disorder.

 

 

For side effects of diazepam see:  https://www.drugs.com/sfx/diazepam-side-effects.html

 

Both drugs increase sedation.  When this is the case you then look at the side effects.  With the information I've provided about the side effects, which drug do you think it would be better to get off first?

 

 

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40 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

When this is the case you then look at the side effects.  With the information I've provided about the side effects, which drug do you think it would be better to get off first?

This is a tricky one. I don't find diazepam to be very sedating, so I could rely on the sedation from Olanzapine to help me with sleep while I'm tapering off diazepam. However, I don't think I could put up with the side effects from Olanzapine while I slowly taper off diazepam. I could taper to a low dose of Olanzapine (2.5mg), wait a while and then start tapering off diazepam. What are your thoughts on that? 

Mid June 2019 to mid November 2019 - Escitalopram (Lexapro) 20mg (3 week taper - psych advise) 

Reinstated 2.5mg Lexapro 3rd Jan 2020 

Increased Lexapro dose to 5mg (0.06g) 11th Jan 2020 due to continual WD symptoms, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.05g 7th March 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.04g 7th April 2020, Decreased Lexapro dose to 0.03g 7th May 2020

Mid June 2019 to 14 Jul 2020 - Clonazepam 0.5mg 

Pericyazine (Neulactil) 20mg 24th Jun 2020 - 12th July, down to 15mg 13th July - 19th July, down to 10mg 20th July - 26th July, reinstated 15mg Pericyazine 27 July 2020 - Accidentally took 20mg for 2 nights 5 &6/8/20, CT Pericyazine 14th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Olanzapine) 

20mg Lexapro - 16th May 2020 - 9th Sept 2020 (Psych CT and replaced with Nortriptyline) 

10mg Diazepam - 5 Aug 2020, reduced over weeks to 7mg Tuesday 29 September, updosed to 8mg 2nd October 2020 (current) 

75mg Nortriptyline - 10 Sept 2020 - Current 

5mg Olanzapine - 15th Sept 2020 - 29 Sept 2020, reduced to 2.5mg on 30 Sept 2020, back up to 5.0mg on 5th Oct 2020. Reduced to 4.750 on 9 Nov 2020 (current) 

Supplements: Elevit (multivitamin) 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nicjk said:

I don't find diazepam to be very sedating

 

Q:  Have you ever taken diazepam without nortriptyline or olanzapine.

 

I'm assuming from your drug signature that you are currently taking Zyprexa, nortriptyline and olanzipine.

 

All 3 of these cause sedation:

 

From https://reference.medscape.com/drug-interactionchecker

  • diazepam + olanzapine

    diazepam and olanzapine both increase sedation.

  • diazepam + nortriptyline

    diazepam and nortriptyline both increase sedation.

  • olanzapine + nortriptyline

    olanzapine and nortriptyline both increase sedation.

 

 

Taking a high dose and/or 2 or more sedating drugs can sometimes cause a paradoxical effect. 

 

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxical_reaction

 

"A paradoxical reaction or paradoxical effect is an effect of a chemical substance, typically a medical drug, that is opposite to what would typically be expected. An example of a paradoxical reaction is pain caused by a pain relief medication."

 

I suggest you check out this article:

 

https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/02/zyprexa-astonishing-betrayal/

 

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ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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