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Hi Malbec. I am curious how you cope with depression. I remember you suffered recently it and now i have been taking it for 1 weeks or 10 day. Dizziness is already hard itself and this one makes it harder. Also anxiety and some light stomach probs accompany it. I think weightlifting will be a good inspiration for me to overcome these ones, but dizziness is just an obstacle to do it. Once it lifts, i give full power to cut anxiety and depression. Do you have any other suggestions?

2014-2017- Prozac-on and offs-minor issues

2018 December - Abilifiy 2.5 off - 2 months- bad anx.

2019 until May some ADs on and off and hospital

2019 May - (Brintellix 10 mg-Lamictal 100 mg-Remeron 15 mg CT after 2 weeks)

-Remeron journey-

19/7 15 mg fast taper 18/8 12 mg 12/9 11.5 mg holding

2020 1/2 10,8 mg 26/2 10,65 mg 5/3 10,5 mg 11/3 10,35 mg 18/3 10,2 mg 25/3 10,05 mg 14/4 9,9 mg 21/4 9,75 mg 16/5 9.45 mg 6/6 9.3 mg 25/7 9.15 17/8 9 14/8,77

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Hello all...here is an update:   I'm doing mostly well...many more windows then waves. I have been eating a low histamine diet for 6 weeks now and I feel/think that it helps me a lot so I am

Hi all here is my update:   So a lot has been going on...good news is I continue to feel very stable and in a good long window. There are some more difficult days but nothing like the days o

You exposed yourself to a histamine bomb brother. Alcohol, sugar, carbs and more. Even a thumb of chocolate is enough to send me into despair for few days. Please try to be away these ones until this

Hi all I thought I'd write an update in here:

 

I am now 11 months stuck on 15mg mirt and things continue to be a struggle much of the time. My nervous system is so sensitised and it's now more than 6 weeks since I stupidly drank a load of alcohol and I'm still not really recovered but overall I would say that things are better than what they were and I'm through the very worst of it. But sleep is still a big issue (as it seems to be for everyone tapering mirt) and I'm starting to think that I have possibly become sensitive to high histamine foods and this is what is causing all the early waking and awful tossing and turning and vivid dreams...two nights ago I had a Thai red curry (red chilli is high histamine) and had poor sleep....2 nights before that I had a meal with tomato in and had same poor sleep...last night I had a meal with all very low to 0 histamine foods and, although I still awoke early around 5am I felt much more peaceful in bed and not crashing around in the vivid dream restlessness nightmare that I usually do...so I think maybe there could be something in the histamine thing. Anyone any thoughts or experience with this? I had thought it wouldn't be affecting me as I'm still on 15mg mirt so decent anti-histamine effect but who knows with this stuff....

 

Aside from that I do have trouble coping with stress that used to feel more manageable and I am planning to go away and stay with my parents for a few month next year to rest and recuperate and also to get out of my god awful job as a mental health support worker...I need a support worker!

 

For a while I was feeling so fed up with the whole process that I was considering CTing off of 15mg and just toughing it out whilst at my parents where I would;t have to work or feed myself...the main reason being that I have a friend of the same age who was 12 years on 30mg mirt and she came off at 15mg and was fully healed within a few weeks! She's been telling me I should do the same and in her words 'the worst would be over in a week and then you can go back to work and it might be a bit grim for a while but it's not a nightmare and you'll be fine before you know it'...it all sounds so very appealing doesn't it when competed to years of slow tapering with WD symptoms and no sleep!? I don't know what to think but don't want to make my sh*t situation even shi**er!

 

Thanks for listening all and hoping to hear back from some of you 

 

Malbec 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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16 minutes ago, Malbec37 said:

I was considering CTing off of 15mg and just toughing it out whilst at my parents where I would;t have to work or feed myself...the main reason being that I have a friend of the same age who was 12 years on 30mg mirt and she came off at 15mg and was fully healed within a few weeks! She's been telling me I should do the same and in her words 'the worst would be over in a week and then you can go back to work and it might be a bit grim for a while but it's not a nightmare and you'll be fine before you know it'...it all sounds so very appealing doesn't it when competed to years of slow tapering with WD symptoms and no sleep!?

Malbec,

 

I would strongly urge you not to do this.  Some people can get away with this.  Your history of WD indicates that you, like the rest of us on this site, are not in this group. CT puts you at risk of a much longer and more difficult situation than where you are now.

 

21 minutes ago, Malbec37 said:

sleep is still a big issue

This may not work for you, and it doesn't always work for me, but I've been having some luck in getting back to sleep by taking 0.3mg melatonin at bedtime, 100mg magnesium glycinate when I wake up the first time, and 100mg magnesium when I wake up the second time.  Many nights the magnesium allows me to get back to sleep.

 

25 minutes ago, Malbec37 said:

 

Aside from that I do have trouble coping with stress that used to feel more manageable and I am planning to go away and stay with my parents for a few month next year to rest and recuperate and also to get out of my god awful job as a mental health support worker...I need a support worker!

 

Sounds like a good idea.

 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover and change from 3 daily doses to one 18.75mgai dose (0.311mgpw). Jan. 11, 2021 begin hold at current bedtime 18.75mgai dose.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (0.44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Hi Malbec

 

I can only second what Gridley has said about a CT, as you know. We can only make decisions based on our own CNS and experience, even if someone else managed it. I wonder if your friend has been able to drink alcohol for example? 

 

You mention a Thai red curry possibly causing you issues. I wonder if this might be ginger rather than histamine related? You can only really see possible connections by keeping a food diary and, even then, I think some bad nights may not have an explanation or anything we can do unfortunately. 

 

It sounds like you're a lot better now than you were and hopefully you'll be stable again very soon. This is really good news Malbec. Hopefully a slow taper next year won't be too bad for you! I think we need to try to be optimistic about these things - hard sometimes I know! 

 

All the best x

▪︎2000 - Seroxat (25mg?) 6 months C/T

▪︎2015 - 7.5mg Zopiclone 1 month C/T

▪︎ 2016 - 2018 - Diazapam and Phenergan occasionally

▪︎2017 June to Oct - Mirtazapine 7.5mg C/T

▪︎2018 April - 2019 Oct Mirtazapine 7.5mg tapered to 1.5mg.

▪︎2019 October - Mirtazapine 1.5mg (Skipped alternate doses on doctor's advice then stopped - Insomnia.) Phenergan

▪︎2020 Jan 6th - Mirtazapine 1.5mg

▪︎2020 Jan 13th - Mirtazapine 7.5mg

▪︎2020 - Feb - May, holding 7.5mg

▪︎2020 1st June, 7.35mg. 27 June, 7.2mg. 7 July, 7.05mg. 18 July, 6.9mg. 28 July, 6.75mg. 27 Aug, 6.6mg. 7 Sep, 6.45mg. 17 Sep, 6.6mg. Holding

 

Fish oil and vitamin E capsules.

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On 11/23/2020 at 6:36 PM, Gridley said:

This may not work for you, and it doesn't always work for me, but I've been having some luck in getting back to sleep by taking 0.3mg melatonin at bedtime, 100mg magnesium glycinate when I wake up the first time, and 100mg magnesium when I wake up the second time.  Many nights the magnesium allows me to get back to sleep.

 

Thanks Gridley I tried this last night with a 200mg capsule and didn't work but I think it's cheap stuff I have so I'm going to find a better quality source of glycinate and at 100mg and try those :)

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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23 minutes ago, Malbec37 said:

I have so I'm going to find a better quality source of glycinate and at 100mg and try those :)

I don't know if it's available in the U.K. but I use KAL brand mag glycinate, which comes in 200mg tablets that split easily with a pill cutter.

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover and change from 3 daily doses to one 18.75mgai dose (0.311mgpw). Jan. 11, 2021 begin hold at current bedtime 18.75mgai dose.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (0.44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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sunnysideup69

Hey @Malbec37

Yep, the alcohol experiment could still be causing you ripples, but it will most likely even out really soon.

I do notice that if I eat high histamine foods, I get itchy and sneezy, yes......hadn't linked it to sleep, that's interesting.

It could also 'just' be WD, though, the disturbed sleep. I'm WAY better, mood wise, but my sleep goes through really odd cycles of healing.

I like your plan about maybe taking some time out next year to spend with your parents and have a break, but PLEASE let your focus be upon stabilizing, not cold turkeying....that's really going to mess up your CNS, most likely. 

Good to hear from you :) 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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On 11/28/2020 at 5:58 PM, sunnysideup69 said:

It could also 'just' be WD, though, the disturbed sleep. I'm WAY better, mood wise, but my sleep goes through really odd cycles of healing.

 

Hi @sunnysideup69yes it's very hard to say what is causing me these problems with sleep. I have been on low histamine diet 2 days now and night before last I slept really well and yesterday felt so much better...so I thought I had it cracked but then yesterday another low histamine day but then sleep last night was very poor and now feel back in a wave and suffering! Maybe it's just another wave and maybe I heed to give low histamine more time...it's just so frustrating 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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sunnysideup69

I feel you, @Malbec37. I'm in the process of weaning off caffeine. Aiming to be caffeine free by mid to late December. And after a binge on sugar last week, which then knocked my sleep, am also cutting sugar out completely now.

 

I want to see where I'm at, what's my actual baseline without those two particular stimulants.

I cut out alcohol in April 2019 and the only reason I haven't slipped up is because I just don't have any at all....I know people talk about 'everything in moderation', but for me, that just doesn't work. If I want to lay off something, then I just have to have none of it, whatsoever.

It's a bum, but it's all for the good in the end. Just think, one day all of this will be a dim memory. 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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My update:

 

Hi all really need advice: I am struggling very badly with insomnia night after night...it's been like this for past 2 months most of the time. In October I had 17 nights of acute insomnia. Last night I awoke at 1.30am (yes I did look at the phone by mistake) but no matter my head was buzzing insanely with tinnitus and a feeling like you get when you listen into a sea shell to hear the sound of the waves...was like that sound of waviness but amplified by 10 and in my brain. I had intense anxiety, racing thoughts, sweating and there was no way that I was going to be able to calm my system down by listening to hypnosis (I tried and 45 mins later was still listening and wide awake)...so in the end and in despair I took 7.5mg zopiclone tablet so I could get some sleep and be able to function at work today.

 

It's been like this most of the time for the past 2 months since when I mistakenly drank some alcohol and triggered off a long unrelenting wave...there have been some better days but mostly terrible insomnia is the problem. I thought it might be too much histamine in my body so I've been on the low histamine diet for 5 days now and no improvement...actually it has got worse. I will try and stick to the diet for a month but it is in itself demanding when I am so tired.

 

Prior to all of this I have been on 15mg for the whole year since Jan and had three periods of bad waves when I tried to reduce to 11.25 in Jan (after dropping from 30 via 22.5) and got hit by combined WD...this then settled down after a few weeks once I went back to 15 and then the other two times have been when I changed brand of mirt and also when I tried to cross taper onto prescribed liquid...both made my WD symptoms especially insomnia intolerable but when I stabilised after a couple of weeks I felt totally ok and back to regular sleep.

 

So my question friends is what is going on now!? Can this still be a wave after more than 8 weeks after a few too many drinks. I'm finding it extremely hard to hold it together and desperate for some relief.

 

I am using CBD oil which helps with anxiety in the day but not with sleep, 1mg melatonin and ashwagandha to try and help with cortisol spikes 

 

Could it be a problem with the adrenal glands producing too much cortisol?

 

Im even thinking of dropping to 7.5mg as there you are supposed to be more sedated so will sleep better and be able to deal better than any withdrawals

 

Hope to hear from you

Malbec

 

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Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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sunnysideup69

Hi @Malbec37,

Sorry you're still having sleep issues.

Personally, yes, I think you *could* still be having some reaction to the alcohol incident 8 weeks ago, especially as you have also made dosage adjustments this year. Our nervous systems are very fragile and reactive as a result of these drugs.

 

Also, when did you add the ashwaghanda? I ask because the adaptogens can have the opposite effect in WD. A few years back (2016) I was able to tolerate Citalopram alongside Rhodiola, another adaptogen, with no side effects. It was very calming and stabilising, to be honest.

 

However, trying it again in 2018, at the beginning of my bad WDs, it had exactly the opposite effect and made me SUPER anxious.

 

Things can go a bit rogue in WD and have a paradoxical effect.

Sending you good wishes, dude. Hope this spell of suffering resolves quickly for you xx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Hi all

 

Quick update from me: I'm feeling a whole load better of late and my sleep has come back properly which is a great relief. I have been on the low histamine diet now for 15 days alongside taking a histamine reducing probiotic called Histamine X and I think it's doing me a lot of good. The diet is quite restrictive but I'm finding a way to get enough nutrients and cooking with different ingredients so all good for now. My mood is so much better in general and energy levels too...definite strong window and stability. I did take some sleeping tablets too for a few nights to try and reset my sleep cycles so I'm sure that's also helped

 

Cheers 

 

Malbec 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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That’s excellent news, pleased to hear it.

25/8/2020 - 15/9/2020 - 15mg mirtazapine

16/9/2020 - 30mg mirtazapine

17/9/2020 - 22/9/2020 - 7.5 mg mirtazapine

23/9/2020 - 6/10/2020 - 3.75mg mirtazapine

7/10/2020 - 15/10/2020 - 7.5 mg mirtazapine

16/10/2020 - 20/10/2020 - 15 mg mirtazapine

21/10/2020 - 22/10/2020 - 7.5 mg mirtazapine

23/10/202 - 26/11/2020 - 15 mg mirtazapine

27/11/2020 - 10/12/2020 -13.5 mg mirtazapine

11/12/2020 - 17/12/2020 - 12 mg mirtazapine

18/12/2020 - 26/12/2020 - 11.75 mg mirtazapine

 

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RickyIsHealing

malbec , how are you finding the cbd oil ? i may try it for ym anxiety :(

Unsure of dates to be honest 
but i was on 15mg mirtazapine for 4 weeks.
then went onto 30mg mirtazapine  for 3 days.
i stopped taking altogether for 3 days after the 3 days of 30mg.
read to go back on 15mg mirtazapine for 7 days to stabilize.
then onto 7.5mg mirtazapine for 7 days.
then onto 3.5mg mirtazapine for 7 days. 

been of since 12/11/2020.

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Hi @RickyIsHealingI find CBD generally very helpful. But you need to buy quality. Someone referred to it as promoting a sense of 'inner calm' and I think that is correct, at least in my experience anyway 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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I also forgot to mention in my post that I stopped using the Ashwagandha as it may have been affecting my nervous system 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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RickyIsHealing

I acctuly have some upstairs,  some good stuff , but I stopped using it as I read it can be a depressant so I got scared as I'm trying to avoid that low mood ( obvusly haha) ..I'm unsure now ..I'm not using any supplements currently except a natrul sleeping aid called nuro rest ..anxiaty is my main problem currently.

 

God bless 🙏 

Unsure of dates to be honest 
but i was on 15mg mirtazapine for 4 weeks.
then went onto 30mg mirtazapine  for 3 days.
i stopped taking altogether for 3 days after the 3 days of 30mg.
read to go back on 15mg mirtazapine for 7 days to stabilize.
then onto 7.5mg mirtazapine for 7 days.
then onto 3.5mg mirtazapine for 7 days. 

been of since 12/11/2020.

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Malbec37,

I just managed to split a few of those from Ramona and JesusSaveme....., over to Ramona's Introduction.

And come on guys, I mean it's obvious now, how we might miss Malbec37's updates, when you come on anothers' Introduction, and go on about your own situations, and then start going back and forth with these conversations, that have nothing to do with support or encouragement for Malbec.

 

Looks like I've got a few more to go now too, and will get some others moved to their threads.

 

Apologies Malbec.

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

Just quoting your update here Malbec37, while I toil away, splitting and moving posts. B)  I do love you guys, all of you, and my job/role here, but this gets time consuming.

And okay, clean up and reorganization of Malbec37's Introduction done.

 

8 hours ago, Malbec37 said:

I also forgot to mention in my post that I stopped using the Ashwagandha as it may have been affecting my nervous system 

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Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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sunnysideup69

Hey @Malbec37

Really glad you are doing better! Also glad you stopped with the ashwaghanda, it's best to leave alone in WD. Those adaptogens are powerful. Rhodiola sent me off on a rocket ship in WD! 

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Hello @Malbec37, how are you doing? Hope Christmas has been ok. I'm heading down to Chippenham to see my parents tomorrow, got too freaked out by lockdown in London to go at Christmas. Hope the West Country is a bit calmer.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Hello @Malbec37, how are you doing? Hope Christmas has been ok. I'm heading down to Chippenham to see my parents tomorrow, got too freaked out by lockdown in London to go at Christmas. Hope the West Country is a bit calmer.

Love you hope all goes well for you I m not feeling well tough i ve reduced the doses I feel awful very bad thoughts and I became all of a sudden aggressive me being the most kind soul is all due to these mind altering tablets than more than help stolen people s life and their families

Antidepressants (including fluoxetine) prescribed around July 2020. Possible adverse reaction.

 

Since beginning of November 2020, taking: 

 

Propranolol 40 mg at 9.30 2.30 18:30

Diazepam 2 mg at 10 14.00  20 

Mirtazapine 15 mg at 22.30

Zopoclone 7.5 mg at 23.00

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Hello all...here is an update:

 

I'm doing mostly well...many more windows then waves. I have been eating a low histamine diet for 6 weeks now and I feel/think that it helps me a lot so I am sticking with it throughout my taper...Iit's not so difficult once you get the hang of I. I am also taking 1.5mg melatonin at night and 200mg magnesium glycinate...the combo seems to be working and I am getting better sleep

 

So now in Jan and locked down again although I am working out and about as a support worker. Work is ok although I do want out of it but I will wait a little while longer before looking for a new job as things are uncertain still due to Covid and my job gives me a good income. I have put my decision as to what comes next on hold but I imagine I will start a taper from 15mg downwards once I have a new job and am settled there - I am not sure whether to do dry cutting and measuring from 15mg or switch to making my own liquid at 15mg then reduce...it'll make sense over coming weeks I guess 

 

So feeling stable, minimal WD...still have tinnitus but low level and very manageable 

 

Love to all

 

Malbec x 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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4 minutes ago, Malbec37 said:

Hello all...here is an update:

 

I'm doing mostly well...many more windows then waves. I have been eating a low histamine diet for 6 weeks now and I feel/think that it helps me a lot so I am sticking with it throughout my taper...Iit's not so difficult once you get the hang of I. I am also taking 1.5mg melatonin at night and 200mg magnesium glycinate...the combo seems to be working and I am getting better sleep

 

So now in Jan and locked down again although I am working out and about as a support worker. Work is ok although I do want out of it but I will wait a little while longer before looking for a new job as things are uncertain still due to Covid and my job gives me a good income. I have put my decision as to what comes next on hold but I imagine I will start a taper from 15mg downwards once I have a new job and am settled there - I am not sure whether to do dry cutting and measuring from 15mg or switch to making my own liquid at 15mg then reduce...it'll make sense over coming weeks I guess 

 

So feeling stable, minimal WD...still have tinnitus but low level and very manageable 

 

Love to all

 

Malbec x 

Proud of u

Antidepressants (including fluoxetine) prescribed around July 2020. Possible adverse reaction.

 

Since beginning of November 2020, taking: 

 

Propranolol 40 mg at 9.30 2.30 18:30

Diazepam 2 mg at 10 14.00  20 

Mirtazapine 15 mg at 22.30

Zopoclone 7.5 mg at 23.00

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@Malbec37

 

can you leave the link for the histamine supplement you’re taking? 
 

im on 6.8 of Mirt and suffering nightly with getting any rest 


Thank you 

Hope you’re well 

-JAN 18' - aug 18’ -22.5mg temazapam + 7.5-15mg remeron  for insomnia. —Aug 18’ temazapam switched to ambien 10mg

-AUG 18’ - April/May 19’ Taper off remeron 

-Mid july 19’ - one week of  200mg Gabapentin c/t  —-mid July 19”-  3 weeks of 50mg trazadone fast tapered 

-July 19’- began random use of .5 Xanax rarely to get rest 

- Mid Aug 19’ - one day of viibryd, 7 days of cymbalta 30mg, 3 days of seroquel 25-50mg

-Aug- 1 wk of Klonopin .5-.75 fast taper 

-Sep 19’ tried trazadone 50 again (still on ambien 10mg)  some time in sep 19’ was c/t off 10mg ambien because was thought to have become ineffective

-oct 7 c/t trazadone and restarted 7.5 remeron holding since 

12/3/19  at 7.5 after a 2 day attempt compounded 7mg. Jan 2020  dry taper from 7.5 |Oct 1 at 6.4 high disruption to sleep began |oct 20? Updosed to 6.6 |oct 26 updosed to 6.8 holding 

supplements mag gly, .3 melatonin, vit c, tumeric, boswellia, beef organs 

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I m not taking any supplements they put me on depakin and neurontin and cut off mirtazapine and diazepam all of a sudden I diddnnt feel any whitdrwal yet

Antidepressants (including fluoxetine) prescribed around July 2020. Possible adverse reaction.

 

Since beginning of November 2020, taking: 

 

Propranolol 40 mg at 9.30 2.30 18:30

Diazepam 2 mg at 10 14.00  20 

Mirtazapine 15 mg at 22.30

Zopoclone 7.5 mg at 23.00

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@DD44just look it up it’s called HistaminX 

 

I do think low histamine is a key part of mirt WD, at least for me 

 

I also take melatonin and magnesium glycinate at night 

Malbec37 Introduction:

 

Diagnosis of Recurrent Depressive Disorder 2005

 

Sertraline 2003 - 2004 then switched to Citalopram 2004 - 2014 20mg then up to 40mg then switched to Mirtazapine 30mg 2014 - 2020

 

Began taper off Mirtazapine Aug 2019 - 2 months at 22.5mg, 3 months at 15mg, 10 days at 11mg then updosed to 13mg after constant WD...40 days on 13 and then updose to 15 as of 13/2/20...holding for now.

 

Supplements:  Vitamin D in winter, Vitamin C, Histamin X probiotic, CBD oil

 

Not a medical professional but long history of experience and also work in the sector supporting others.

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Hi Malbec

 

I'm glad to read you're in a good place and having more windows than waves. It sounds like a pragmatic plan regarding work and waiting until you're settled to start tapering. 

 

Have you found longer walks or exercise increase your symptoms? I still have to be careful not to exert myself much or it results in insomnia, which isn't great. Apart from that my sleep seems to be settling down again thankfully and I'm able to do home-schooling, which I couldn't have done back in November! Despite the stresses, I'm actually glad of the distraction now to not think about Mirt so much! 

 

It's good you're having success with melatonin and magnesium. I'm going to try to introduce the latter soon.

 

I guess we're in a similar position of just holding now until our circumstances and bodies feel ready to start tapering again. I think it's going to be another few months for me at least. I've finally accepted this process will take as long as it takes. 

 

Here's hoping 2021 will be a better year! Rx

▪︎2000 - Seroxat (25mg?) 6 months C/T

▪︎2015 - 7.5mg Zopiclone 1 month C/T

▪︎ 2016 - 2018 - Diazapam and Phenergan occasionally

▪︎2017 June to Oct - Mirtazapine 7.5mg C/T

▪︎2018 April - 2019 Oct Mirtazapine 7.5mg tapered to 1.5mg.

▪︎2019 October - Mirtazapine 1.5mg (Skipped alternate doses on doctor's advice then stopped - Insomnia.) Phenergan

▪︎2020 Jan 6th - Mirtazapine 1.5mg

▪︎2020 Jan 13th - Mirtazapine 7.5mg

▪︎2020 - Feb - May, holding 7.5mg

▪︎2020 1st June, 7.35mg. 27 June, 7.2mg. 7 July, 7.05mg. 18 July, 6.9mg. 28 July, 6.75mg. 27 Aug, 6.6mg. 7 Sep, 6.45mg. 17 Sep, 6.6mg. Holding

 

Fish oil and vitamin E capsules.

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Hey @Malbec37, good to hear you're doing better and relatively stable.

 

I've also been taking a magnesium glycinate supplement, have just upped to 200mg and I really think it aids with sleep.

 

@Ripley, I'm not on mirtazipine, but yes, I do find excessive exercise makes me a bit symptomatic, to be honest.

 

Good wishes to you both :) 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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