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So glad I found this page I was on citalopram for 18 years tried to come off 6 years ago and 6 weeks later thought my anxiety had come back now realise it was withdrawal! Fast forward 6 years and it was suggested to me to meet with a psychiatrist to help with my meds as citalopram 40mg had stopped working . She said taper down from 40mg in 2.5 months and start sertraline which I did went into depesssion signed off work for 7 weeks now 11 weeks later and been on 100mg for 8 weeks I am suffering severe withdrawals
Bugs crawling in head
Tingling on face feel like a cobweb on it
Clenching jaw
Anxiety
Will this ever get better ?

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Gridley

Welcome to SA, Deblou46.

 

We need to determine whether your symptoms are due to withdrawal stemming from a too-fast taper of the citalopram or whether they are due to an adverse reaction to the sertraline (which means the drug does not agree with you).  Can you determine in terms of a time frame which of the symptoms appeared before you started the sertraline and which appeared after.  Of those that appeared after, how soon after did they appear?

 

For background information to help you sort this out, here is some information on withdrawal and adverse reactions.

 

What is withdrawal syndrome.

 

But I only took it for a Week

 

Once we have this information, we can advise you further.  Yes, it will get better but it will take some time.

 

This is your Introduction topic, where you can answer my questions and ask your own as well as connect with other members.

We're glad you found your way here.

 

 

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Deblou46

Hi it is withdrawal I think as was having the same symptoms whilst withdrawing to start sertraline the only thing different is the bugs crawling in head which is my nerve endings 5 doctors have told me withdrawal 

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Withdrawal Symptoms started 2 weeks after going from 40 to 30mg then I noticed the bugs crawling feeling 3 weeks after starting sertraline and stopping citlopram completely 

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When I stated tapering I was very up and down in my mood the when the sertraline side effects hit I was very deprsssed  for 2 weeks now my mood is fine it is the physical symptoms getting me down 

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5 minutes ago, Deblou46 said:

it is withdrawal

Thanks for the information.  For future reference we recommend tapering no more than 10% of current dose every four weeks.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

So that you have a better understanding of what you're experiencing, here is some information on withdrawal and healing. 

 

Daily Checklist of Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms (PDF)

 

When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.  

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system.

 

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker 

 

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) 

 

Add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.

 

As I said earlier, you will heal, but unfortunately it's impossible to predict how long it will take.  

 

 

 

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Deblou46

Many thanks unfortunately my psych told me to taper 18 years of citlopram in 2.5 months and the dose was 40mg of4 months at the time and I was made to feel stupid as she was shocked I was getting no better even though stopped the citlapram and was now on 100mg of sertraline now admits withdrawal. It has been 11 weeks now I pray it gets better soon 

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14 minutes ago, Deblou46 said:

I pray it gets better soon 

I do too.  Unfortunately doctors know nothing about safe tapering or withdrawal.

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Deblou46

Totally agree and this was a psychiatrist my doctor was the one told me in withdrawal!!! 
so I just need to wait for citlopram to get out and sertraline to level them I can taper off them all together 

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Deblou46

I hope I am not like this for years !

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23 minutes ago, Deblou46 said:

I hope I am not like this for years !

It's better to assume it's not going to be for years.

 

Some general recommendjtions: avoid caffeine, alcohol, sugar.  Mild exercise is good, like a 30-minute walk in nature.

 

We also recommend non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal.  Take a look at the links in the following link and see which you think might be of benefit to you.

 

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Deblou46

Titled:  Suffering

 

I was on citalopram for 18 years tried to come off 6 years ago and 6 weeks later thought my anxiety had come back now realise it was withdrawal! Fast forward 6 years and it was suggested to me to meet with a psychiatrist to help with my meds as citalopram 40mg had stopped working . She said taper down from 40mg in 2.5 months and start sertraline which I did went into depression signed off work for 7 weeks now 11 weeks later and been on 100mg for 10  weeks I am suffering severe withdrawals
Bugs crawling in head
Tingling on face feel like a cobweb on it
Anxiety
 

and now have developed Tinnitus which is really unnerving and senstive to sounds it is horrible

 

I just cant see this getting any better and it is too dangerous to taper of Sertraline now.

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will351

Why don’t you try and reinstate a very low dose of Citalopram to see if that helps the withdrawal

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Deblou46

Not sure I could do that if on sertraline 

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Cathy4

Welcome, @Deblou46.

 

You’re in a good place to get some guidance as far as tapering goes.  Hang tight and I’m sure one of the moderators @Altostrata, @Shep, @Gridley, @manymoretodays etc. will swing by and help you.  They are very knowledgeable.
 

Best Wishes,

Cathy

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6 hours ago, Deblou46 said:

I am suffering severe withdrawals

Welcome to SA, Deblou76.  I'm sorry you're going through this.

 

I does sound as if you're going through withdrawal from the too-fast taper of Citalopram.  The cobweb feeling and bugs crawling are withdrawal symptoms, and of course tinnitus is one of the most common withdrawal symptoms, as are depression and anxiety.  I agree this would not be a good time to start a taper of sertraline, you're too unstable, and a reinstatement of citalopram won't help since, as you said, it had pooped out (stopped working).  As time passes and you begin to stabilize, we can talk about tapering the sertraline if you wish.  You will stabilize and heal; unfortunately we have no way to predict how long that will take.

 

So that you have a better idea of what you're experiencing, here is some information on withdrawal and healing.

 

What is withdrawal syndrome.

 

Daily Checklist of Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms (PDF)

 

The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.  

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker 

 

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) 

 

Add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.

 

Here are some techniques to help deal with anxiety. The last link on the restorative yoga pose has helped me with anxiety.

 

 

This is your Introduction topic, where you can ask questions and connect with other members.  We're glad you found your way here.

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Hello, Deb.

 

What did your psychiatrist say about the problems you're having on sertraline? How did you switch from citalopram to sertraline? Did you get any symptoms when you stopped citalopram?

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Deblou46

Need some positive vibes:

 

Hi

 

I posted a few weeks ago my story is as follows:

 

On Citalopram for 18 years, started tapering August 3 from 40mg and 3 weeks later Withdrawals hit, I then stopped Citalopram on 31st October and started 50MG Sertraline and all hell broke loose...I am now 12 weeks on 100mg with withdrawal symptoms as follows:

 

Bugs crawling in head

elastic band around head

tingling all over face and body

anxiety

tingling end of fingers

feeling like walking on water

 

 

I had 4 days last week and thought I had beat it after 3 months and thought sertraline would have kicked in by now (I intend to come off this next year) but today withdrawals are back as bad as ever!!! I just cant see this getting any better..especially as I am on sertraline now....I am so disappointed in all this.

 

I the meantime I am having therapy, doing mindfulness, also going to a conference to learn more about how the brain works etc.

 

I know this is waves and windows, but does it get better...x

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Hi Deblou46 and welcome aboard, @Deblou46

 

I saw your post above in our symptoms and self care forum, and merged it here. 

I also found 2 introductions done by you, and have merged them together with your first introduction, started January 16th.

Second one was started on January 31st.  You'll find it above now.

 

One introduction per member please.  Thank you.

 

So I'm not sure if you seen some of the comments and questions on this, your main introduction, here.

 

As to your last post,  yes, it does get better.  And I'm sending positive vibes now, for your healing and some windows to come.

 

It looks like you have experienced a window then:

2 hours ago, Deblou46 said:

I had 4 days last week and thought I had beat it after 3 months and thought sertraline would have kicked in by now (I intend to come off this next year) but today withdrawals are back as bad as ever!!! I just cant see this getting any better..especially as I am on sertraline now....I am so disappointed in all this.

 

And that's good, your window.  The sertraline won't necessarily cover  for all WD symptoms that came about due to your citalopram WD.  I'm finding a little more about that in your first post:

On 1/16/2020 at 1:21 PM, Deblou46 said:

So glad I found this page I was on citalopram for 18 years tried to come off 6 years ago and 6 weeks later thought my anxiety had come back now realise it was withdrawal! Fast forward 6 years and it was suggested to me to meet with a psychiatrist to help with my meds as citalopram 40mg had stopped working . She said taper down from 40mg in 2.5 months and start sertraline which I did went into depesssion signed off work for 7 weeks now 11 weeks later and been on 100mg for 8 weeks I am suffering severe withdrawals
Bugs crawling in head
Tingling on face feel like a cobweb on it
Clenching jaw
Anxiety
Will this ever get better ?

 

It sounds like you actually did a complete drug switch with your new doctor.    And looks like you had an 18 year history with the citalopram too.  I don't think that the above doctor was really interested in helping you taper or go drug free.   Very few psychiatrists that know much about deprescribing. 

Have you been able to get back to work?

 

Please put your withdrawal history in your signature to help us out as well.  Take a look at that link and just follow the instructions there.  This can really help us.  I think you are on 100 mg of sertraline now, I found this in your previous entries on this page.  So .......nice to have it all summarized so we can get a better idea of things at a glance.

 

Yes, you are experiencing WD now, I believe.  Your symptoms sure sound like WD symptoms. 

Have you had a chance to look at some of the links and information that Gridley gave you after your 2 introductions were done?  To increase your education and understanding of what is going on now?  You might consider some of the magnesium or omega 3's now.  Links to all that information are now above your last post.

 

Careful tapering takes time.  WD symptoms as well, can take some time to stabilize once they begin.  So glad you did have a window of sorts, Deb.  That a good sign.

 

 

I also see a question from Alto above and will quote it:

On 1/31/2020 at 2:00 PM, Altostrata said:

Hello, Deb.

 

What did your psychiatrist say about the problems you're having on sertraline? How did you switch from citalopram to sertraline? Did you get any symptoms when you stopped citalopram?

 

 

And this is the best place for you to post, asking questions and for support right now.  Right here on your introduction.  Thank you.

Positive vibes again.  ((((Deblou46)))))  And again, this page, your introduction, might be the best place for you to update us, ask for support, communicate with other members, and ask any questions around your specific case.  Please bookmark it for further access to it.

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

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Deblou46

Thank you so much . My psych said she warned me I would have WD (she didn’t ) in reply to alto I was on 40mg she kept chasing me to taper down in 2.5 months I started getting wd 2 weeks after tapering down then bad when swapped x

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Cathy4

Hi @Deblou46

I’m just dropping by to sprinkle some positive vibes on your thread.  Hang in there.  
Cathy

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Deblou46

Thank you this is just awful x

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6 hours ago, Deblou46 said:

Thank you this is just awful

It is, but you will get through it.  Things will get better.  Something that has been helping me is listening to Baylissa Frederick’s meditations on youtube.  She speaks directly to those of us in the throes of withdrawal. 
Cathy

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3 hours ago, Deblou46 said:

Hi 

 

I think you can see my story in my signature anyway I Am 6 months from a fast taper starting 3rd August came off citlopram after 18 years completely on 31st October and started sertraline on 5th November now 13 weeks on 100mg and still suffering withdrawals from citlopram and getting new symptoms 

tingling in head and like someone pushing down 

elastic band back 

tingling in whole face 

feel like whole body vibrating 
feel like walking on clouds 

 

my psych wants to up my dose as apparently I should feel better now I’m sertraline (I intend to come off them )

 

I don’t know whether to do this as I font want side effects plus withdrawals ... I feel like going to be stuck like this I just need reassurance again through this bad time

 

i am trying to ignore the symptoms but they are getting me down now ... This is exhausting and I have a full time job and 2 young children 

 

thanks 

 

On 2/14/2020 at 12:38 PM, Deblou46 said:

Thank you so much . My psych said she warned me I would have WD (she didn’t ) in reply to alto I was on 40mg she kept chasing me to taper down in 2.5 months I started getting wd 2 weeks after tapering down then bad when swapped x

 

Hi Deblou46,

And oh, it does still sound quite tough for you.  I left your most recent post where you had it posted but did copy/quote it over here, as well.  Maybe some of the other members will chime in there, now, or here, offering further support for you.  It also can help to go around and find a few members of your own to begin to offer support to, and then likewise, they may keep on up with you too.

 

This is tough stuff to deal with, and especially with the job and kids.  Katy398, comes to mind, as another dealing with family and work while going through withdrawal syndrome.

Here's where you would find her introduction:  Katy398: I've tapered too quickly

So much comfort sometimes, in knowing you are not alone with this all.

Kind of like having 3 full time jobs now Deblou, your paid work, family, and then the work of coping with WD now!  It's a lot!

 

What was your prescriber/doctor thinking, when doing such a fast taper off citalopram 40 mg?  Did they say?  Were you able to report symptoms to your doctor, as you were going down in dose?  Or did your symptoms not occur until later?  And you are not obligated to stick with this doctor, are you?  Any doctor can prescribe for you, as far as the sertraline goes.  I know you have felt fairly dismissed by this doctor too, from reading some of your previous entries here.  I would not put up with that!

 

Here's the link to citalopram/celexa tapers:  Tips for tapering off Celexa(citalopram)

Just for your information, I'm adding this now,  as I see there many of the symptoms you are now having, that have been reported, as occurring, with too rapid discontinuation.  Just look at the first post there, and then in the second quote there is the FDA information, that I so wish, as am sure you do too, that your doctor was more aware of.  At least enough to slow down the taper.  Nothing to be done about it now, yet of course, it angers me too!

 

These are also symptoms that we are very familiar with, that do occur for many.  Dr. Joseph Glenmullen's withdrawal symptom checklist

Take a look at the first post here:  Why taper by 10% of my dosage

Unfortunately, once the symptoms set in, oftentimes, just time, patience, and learning to practice non-drug coping on a regular basis, can really help.

 

Has the sertraline has helped at all?  Or can you tell? 

It's so hard to know, as it looks like you got off the citalopram, and then just began the sertraline pretty quickly. I think you have increased the sertraline once already, correct?

Could you add the doses to your signature?:  Account Settings/signature

Citalopram 18 years

Tried tapering off 2012 WD 6 weeks later reinstated

August 2019 tapered down in 2.5 months , add the dose here of Citalopram you began tapering from, and then how you reduced, date you were off
Nov 2019 start sertraline add starting dose

23rd November start 100mg Sertraline 

 

 

It looks like you reported most of the symptoms present now, on arrival too.

And yes, it does get better.  Always Deblou!  Sometimes, empowering yourself with information CAN be helpful too. 

 

Are you sleeping okay now?

And it sounds like tons of anxiety or fears going on now too.......in regards to your healing and when it will happen.  Sometimes, it does help to commiserate a bit with fellow sufferers.  I think if you can focus on things that help too, to cope with symptoms.......that might be good now.  So that you don't get further stuck in negative patterns.

So here is some stuff you can look at and try now, as far as non-drug coping skills go:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

^ this is the main link, with a whole indexed list in the first post, do read through the first post, and then pick a few of the links to look at, as soon as possible, and begin to use some practices on a regular basis.  It can really help.

As you scroll down that list, look for:  some of the anxiety helps, meditation helps(there are videos you can try), how to begin meditational practices even, emotional spirals-and how to catch them.  I really liked and still do a lot of journaling.

 

I need to run now.  I did want to get something posted for you though.

Oh, don't forget to look at some of the Success Stories too, that can help.  Go to the main page, and that forum is down near the bottom.

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

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59 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

  

 

 

Hi Deblou46,

And oh, it does still sound quite tough for you.  I left your most recent post where you had it posted but did copy/quote it over here, as well.  Maybe some of the other members will chime in there, now, or here, offering further support for you.  It also can help to go around and find a few members of your own to begin to offer support to, and then likewise, they may keep on up with you too.

 

This is tough stuff to deal with, and especially with the job and kids.  Katy398, comes to mind, as another dealing with family and work while going through withdrawal syndrome.

Here's where you would find her introduction:  Katy398: I've tapered too quickly

So much comfort sometimes, in knowing you are not alone with this all.

Kind of like having 3 full time jobs now Deblou, your paid work, family, and then the work of coping with WD now!  It's a lot!

 

What was your prescriber/doctor thinking, when doing such a fast taper off I don’t Know bit she kept rushing me citalopram 40 mg?  Did they say?  Were you able to report symptoms to your doctor, as you were going down in dose? they didn’t say anything about withdrawal   Or did your symptoms not occur until later? symptoms occurred 2 weeks later after first taper   And you are not obligated to stick with this doctor, are you?  Any doctor can prescribe for you, as far as the sertraline goes.  I know you have felt fairly dismissed by this doctor too, from reading some of your previous entries here.  I would not put up with that!

 

Here's the link to citalopram/celexa tapers:  Tips for tapering off Celexa(citalopram)

Just for your information, I'm adding this now,  as I see there many of the symptoms you are now having, that have been reported, as occurring, with too rapid discontinuation.  Just look at the first post there, and then in the second quote there is the FDA information, that I so wish, as am sure you do too, that your doctor was more aware of.  At least enough to slow down the taper.  Nothing to be done about it now, yet of course, it angers me too!

 

These are also symptoms that we are very familiar with, that do occur for many.  Dr. Joseph Glenmullen's withdrawal symptom checklist

Take a look at the first post here:  Why taper by 10% of my dosage

Unfortunately, once the symptoms set in, oftentimes, just time, patience, and learning to practice non-drug coping on a regular basis, can really help.

 

Has the sertraline has helped at all?  Or can you tell? I can’t telll at the moment been told it is fighting to work cause of citalopram WD

It's so hard to know, as it looks like you got off the citalopram, and then just began the sertraline pretty quickly. I think you have increased the sertraline once already, correct? yes I have been on 100mg for 13 weeks 

Could you add the doses to your signature?:  Account Settings/signature

Citalopram 18 years

Tried tapering off 2012 WD 6 weeks later reinstated

August 2019 tapered down in 2.5 months , add the dose here of Citalopram you began tapering from, and then how you reduced, date you were off
Nov 2019 start sertraline add starting dose

23rd November start 100mg Sertraline 

 

 

It looks like you reported most of the symptoms present now, on arrival too.

And yes, it does get better.  Always Deblou!  Sometimes, empowering yourself with information CAN be helpful too. 

 

Are you sleeping okay now? yes a bit better 

And it sounds like tons of anxiety or fears going on now too.......in regards to your healing and when it will happen.  Sometimes, it does help to commiserate a bit with fellow sufferers.  I think if you can focus on things that help too, to cope with symptoms.......that might be good now.  So that you don't get further stuck in negative patterns.

So here is some stuff you can look at and try now, as far as non-drug coping skills go:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

^ this is the main link, with a whole indexed list in the first post, do read through the first post, and then pick a few of the links to look at, as soon as possible, and begin to use some practices on a regular basis.  It can really help.

As you scroll down that list, look for:  some of the anxiety helps, meditation helps(there are videos you can try), how to begin meditational practices even, emotional spirals-and how to catch them.  I really liked and still do a lot of journaling.

 

I need to run now.  I did want to get something posted for you though.

Oh, don't forget to look at some of the Success Stories too, that can help.  Go to the main page, and that forum is down near the bottom.

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

thanks for replying I just am scared of all these horrible symptoms the tingling etc driving me mad 

 

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