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JackieDecides
On 3/31/2020 at 1:23 PM, FarmGirlWorks said:

My mother gaslit me about the "reality" of this pandemic last week and... well, I am spiraling into self-pity but those are the triggers that have not created this wave but are definitely exacerbated by it.

 

wow, that's harsh and I'm so sorry.  at least you know it is a wave and it will end as they always do. 

 

I would not underestimate how stressful this pandemic is and I expect it will continue to get worse. I don't get that "we're all in this together" feeling very often although I know there are a lot of people working hard to take care of others and keep things going.  every now & then I see something hopeful. 

 

keep posting! 


Currently taking Ramapril (blood pressure) 5 mg twice a day

Omeprazole 10 mg AM and 20 mg PM  (the taper has gone nowhere after the first cut)

Famotidine   once a day (and I still needs tums sometimes)

magnesium 200 mg at night

as of yesterday 2 fish oil capsules "EPA-DHA 1000"

 

off Lexapro as of 5/2018  - last dose had been 5 mg every other day for a couple years

 

highest dose had been 20 mg at which point I was diagnosed with Bipolar II, which went away when I cut the lexapro down to 15 mg. 

 

I spent years on Paxil before Lexapro (can't remember dose), briefly on Effexor and Abilify and others I have forgotten. in fact, when I was diagnoses with BPII I was put on all kinds of things which made me feel so bad I stopped them cold turkey within maybe 3 or 4 weeks, thank goodness. since then I've known these pills were terrible and I weaned down the Lexapro with zero help or support over I'm not sure how many years. 

 

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FarmGirlWorks

Thanks @wantrelief and @JackieDecides: your kind words are so helpful and appreciated. I'll check your threads in a minute.

 

5 hours ago, JackieDecides said:

I would not underestimate how stressful this pandemic is and I expect it will continue to get worse. I don't get that "we're all in this together" feeling very often although I know there are a lot of people working hard to take care of others and keep things going.  every now & then I see something hopeful. 

 

You are absolutely right, I think, Jackie. Went (aka Zoomed) to a Recovery group this evening that is pro-psychedelic therapy (a lot of us are not doing it now but are not against it and have experience) and one guy sent out the article below which is helpful for the collective grief and, I think, any grief in general. Both have come to the fore for me in the past week and my body/brain said "Enough already" and shut down. There were a few tips I hadn't seen before (name the feeling to help it move) and others seen here. Mainly it validated what I have been experiencing.

 

https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief

 

It is also the one-year-anniversary of meeting my bio-father and, while my body has acclimated to the idea of a new relationship, there is still grief that I am working out with a therapist.


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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wantrelief

Thank you so much for your message on my thread, FGW....it gave me a much needed boost.  Also, thank you for posting the link the the article.  It really helped me understand more about my feelings around this pandemic and the coping ideas were helpful.  I like the addition of "meaning" to the stages of grief.  I am so grateful you are here!


-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper; withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin
-Tried several times to slowly taper Zoloft by 10%, then 5% every 4-6 weeks; could never get below approx. 40 mg - spring 2012 experienced major WD symptoms due to stress; tried to updose but no relief, back on Klonopin 1 mg.
-Switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to Citalopram. Finished Zoloft 1/13; Citalopram 35 mg and 1 mg Klonopin.
-8/13: 27 mg Citalopram; 1 mg Klonopin

-11/14: 12.6 Citalopram - began to have bad withdrawal symptoms; out of desperation increased to 1.25 mg Klonopin at the beginning of December.  12/13/14 16 mg Citalopram - going to stay here to try to stabilize; stabilized on 16 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

-7/15 - 3/16: reduced to 15 mg; ~ 2 months later w/d hit hard (probably r/t stress); 6/16 updosed to 20 mg Citalopram and trying to stabilize. Updosed to 1.5 Klonopin as well. Stabilized on 20 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

8/17-9/17: feeling withdrawal symptoms at 20 mg Citalopram (due to stress) - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium glycinate; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg

2020: 1/14/20: 10.89 mg (1.27% drop); 1/22/20: 10.75 mg (1.29% drop); 2/28/20 toe surgery; 4/26/20: 10.62 mg (1.21% drop); 5/3/20: 10.5 mg (1.22% drop); 5/10/20: 10.4 mg (1.24% drop); 5/17/20: 10.2 mg (1.25% drop); 6/7/20: 10.10 mg (1.27% drop); 6/14/20: 9.98 mg (1.19% drop); 6/21/20: 9.85 mg (1.30% drop); 6/28/20: 9.7 mg (1.22% drop); 7/12/20: 9.6 mg (1.23% drop); 7/19/20: 9.5 mg (1.25% drop); 7/26/20: 9.4 mg (1.26% drop); 8/2/20: 9.3 mg (1.28% drop); 8/17/20: 9.14 mg (1.19% drop); 8/31/20: 9.0 mg (1.31% drop); 9/6/20: 8.9 mg (1.22% drop); 9/27/20: 8.8 mg (1.23% drop); 10/4/20: 8.7 mg (1.25% drop); 10/11/20: 8.6 mg (1.27% drop); 10/18/20: 8.5 mg (1.28% drop)

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Elyssa143

@FarmGirlWorks

Im very sorry to hear your struggling again. You have been through so much. I know first hand how discouraging this can be when you feel like your doing better. It will come back. Your healing and youve come so far. Its just a wave itll pass and youll be on your way again. Whats going on in the world is helping no one and adding alot of stress so im sure thats contributing too. Hugs  to  you. I too am struggling and we will heal!


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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On 2/6/2020 at 7:15 AM, FarmGirlWorks said:

My memory is not good and focus is difficult.

Could you comment more on cognitive capacity. This is what scares me most. 

 

Thank you for sharing your recovery and inspiration. I was very interested in your using 'rage at pharm' to keep you going. Many say to accept it but the rage is rage and I don't think easily extinguished. A huge congratualtions on your new life. I followed some of your story as best I could ( due to cognitive problems) and when I hear of recoveries I feel my soul lift for those people. It is an exponential triumph because not only have they  overcome an existential threat ( let's face it the darkness of it drives many to suicide) but also their victory wills all those on that read their success stories. It is like a baton being passed.


1999:  Paroxetine (20mg). Age 16. 2007-2008: Fluoxetine (Prozac) for 1.5 years (age 25) Citalopram 20mg 2002-2005, 2009: Escitalopram (20mg), 2 weeks, (age 26) (adverse manic reaction)/*Valium 5mg/Temazepam 10mg 2010: Mirtazipine (Remeron)( do not remember dosage) 2010, 5 months.                     

2010-2017: Citalopram (20mg) (age 27 to 34) 2016: i.1st Sept- 31st Oct Citalopram 10mg , ii.1st November 2017-30th November 2017, Citalopram 5mg iii.1st December 2017- 4th February 2018, Citalopram 0mg, iv.5th February 2018- March 2018 Citalopram 5mg (10mg every other day) 28th February- tried titration of 5mg ( some adverse effects)

2018: 1st March 2018- 1st June Citalopram 10 mg (tablet form) /started titration 8mg , then 7 mg.2018: June 15th- 10th July Citalopram 10 mg pill every other day 2018: 10th July - 13th Sept Citalopram- 0mg  (CBD oil first month of 0mg, passiflora on and off) 2018 13th Sept Citalopram  2mg ,  approx 16th Sept 4mg , approx 25th Sept 6mg held.  2019: 11 Feb 19: 7mg (instant bad rxn) 12 Feb 19 6mg held 1 May 19 5.4mg held 5 Oct 19 5.36mg 22 Oct 19 5.29mg 30 Oct 19 5.23mg 4/NOV/19 5.18mg 12 Nov 19 5.08mg 20 Nov 19 4.77mg

(Herbal/Supplements since 1st September: Omega Fish Oil 1200mg, 663mg of EPA- 2 tablets a day, magnesium and magnesium bath salts)

I did not die, and yet I lost life’s breath
- Dante

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FarmGirlWorks

Thanks @Elyssa143, sorry to hear that you are struggling as well. The situation out there is definitely adding to it. I am taking tincture of Holy Basil and Passionflower now and it tamps down the anxiety. Doing better already. I am still scattered, though (although I think that is common right now) and pray that goes away soon. Hang in there, Elyssa.

 

@India: well, I am definitely not as sharp as I was before the WD ordeal but it is improving or at least acceptance of it is. There are external factors that add to reduced memory and cognition: living alone, having killed my social life the last three years due to WD and not drinking, and being perimenopausal. What bothers me most is my speech can be all over the place and way too fast which reflects the chaos in my brain. Working on that with my therapist. When I meditate and practice yoga, the thoughts slow down and I start to think and talk with more intention. Also the AA zoom meetings are really helping me practice speaking and having a topic that I stick to without rambling.

 

Rage: yeah, I know some say to accept it and perhaps I will have a more bird's-eye view of what happened someday. But when I was in the thick of it, as you are now, I accepted that I felt pure, burning rage at Big Pharma and let that be a sincere motivation to not let them "win." And they didn't and they will not with you.

 

What I'd like to say to you, dear India, is not to be scared. Cognition improves and if your brain needs to slow down while it heals processes elsewhere, then let it and know it will get better when it is ready. I definitely am sharper than what I was in WD and, if other success stories are to be believed, it will continue to get better.

 

Strength, Courage, Healing to all.


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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Elyssa143

@FarmGirlWorks how are you doing now?


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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FarmGirlWorks

Hi @Elyssa143: thanks for asking, sending super good vibes your way. I am still in what seems like a wave. Hard to tell with the situation at large. Depression, anxiety, fatigue. The flashbacks of being in the thick of withdrawal are vivid. Hearing people daily at online AA meetings (which, for the record, I love) talk about how hard isolation is for them is *very* triggering. Hard not to go into a spiral of self-pity for the last three years of WD. And it has made me also see how damaging it can be for the psyche as I see people over several weeks struggle with it. Interesting on a sociological level but also is information for what is personally healthy, ie not to be alone all the time.

 

I was texting with someone who is almost at 6 years since quitting psychodrugs. She validated that the "3 year wave" is real. Just hearing from someone who has been thru it that this is completely normal kind of eases it a little. Using meditation, exercise, and reminders to "accept this" until I feel better again. But is it deflating? Yes.


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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Elyssa143

Hey @FarmGirlWorks I am very sorry and I know personally how freaking discouraging it is to be back in when we feel a break. And you are so far out ao I can understand that as well! I too understand the trauma and it being real. This is all crazy and very painful isnt it. And the situation happening in the world isnt helping at all. This person that is 6 years out are they doing so much better? I sure do hope so! I know this will pass for you. You are well on your recovery way and will back up in no time. Theres seems to be quite a few people in longer waves than normal im sure the added stress is contributing. I too am struggling but not like i was. I get very discouraged to still have the suicidal stuff, depression and Akathisia at 25 months out. I dont live a normal life at all. Much better functioning but still everyday is a struggle for me and life shouldnt be this way. But it is a bit easier to tell myself i am improving and it has to continue. Hugs to you. Thank you for always being there for me. This will pass. You will go on to have a much better level or normal❤


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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Rosetta

Hi.  I think the 3 year wave can happen.  I felt pretty bad right around that point, but I can determine exactly why.  It will pass.  At least, at this point, you have seen enough waves pass.  Thinking of you. - R


https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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FarmGirlWorks
Posted (edited)

@Elyssa143: thanks for the support. Yes, waves are def not fun but not forever. And ther person who is 6years out is fine except for a couple small residual physical symptoms. Her fatigue and mental health is better. You sound a whole lot better than before, can tell from your writing style.

 

@Rosetta, thanks and yes we have seen plenty of waves come and go. Interesting that you had one too. Trying to put one foot in front of the other until it ends. It is said: easy choices, hard life; hard choices, easy life. Pills are "easy,"  WD is "hard." But going thru this shows a resilience that I did not know I had to survive and, maybe someday, thrive.

Edited by FarmGirlWorks

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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RachelSusan

Hey FGW,

 

I tried to think of something profound to say but I came up with exactly NOTHING. So I guess I'll just say that you being in a wave right now absolutely sucks. That's kind of a lowbrow way for me to put things but being in is about as low as a person can feel. I am indeed sorry to hear that you are in this situation.  I know it will improve, it always does, but I hope it improves quickly.  Like now!!!

 

xo

RS


Find my story here:  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12649-rachelsusan-my-zoloft-story-on-off-reinstated-in-trouble/?hl=rachelsusan

HISTORY

Feb. 2016 to June 2016  - Was on 100mg to 150mg Zoloft. 

Quit Zoloft (Sertraline) June  2016,  reinstated 50mg of Zoloft July 2016.  From July 2016  to October 2016 went from 50 mg down 2.3 mg. I up-dosed in November 2016 to 12.5 mg. Held there until January 2017 when I started a much slower taper.

STARTING SENSIBLE  ZOLOFT TAPERING USING GUIDELINES FROM THIS SITE

Dec. 10 2016  - switched to Liquid Zoloft (Sertraline) @ 12.5 mg.   Jan 19, 2017 reduced to 12.0 mg (4%).   Feb 9 2017 reduced to 11.0 mg (8%). March 1 2017 to 10.0 mg (9 %).  March 21 2017  to 9.5 mg (5%). April 1 2017  to 9.0 mg (5.3%). April 10 2017 to 8.5 mg (5.6%). April 22 2017  8.25 mg (2.9%). April 29 2017  8.0 (3.0%). May 6 2017  7.75 mg (3.1%).  May 14 2017  7.5 mg (3.2%). May 20 2017 to 7.25 mg (3.3%). May 27 2017 reduced to 7.0 mg (3.4%). June 10 2017  to 6.75 mg (3.6%). June 17 2017 to 6.5 mg (3.7%). June 24 2017 6.25 mg (3.8%). July 1 2017 reduced to 6.0 mg. July 8 2017 5.75 mg. July 15 2017 5.5 mg. July 22 2017 5.25 mg.  Aug 5 2017  5.0 mg.  Dec. 9, 2017  4.75 mg (5%).  Feb. 10, 2018 4.50 mg.   March 15, 2018 4.375 mg (2.8% decrease). April 3, 2018 4.25 mg (2.9%). May 14, 2018 4.125% (2.9%). June 16, 2018 4.0 mg (3.0%).  July 21, 2018 3.875mg. August 11, 2018 3.75mg (3.2%). Sept. 12, 2018 3.62mg (3.3%).  Oct. 13, 2018 3.5mg (3.4% decrease). Nov. 29, 2018 3.375mg (3.6% decrease). Jan. 20, 2019 3.25 mgFeb 16, 2019 3.125mg (3.8%). April 7, 2019 3.0mg (4.0%).  May 18, 2019 2.875mg (4.2%). June 22, 2019 2.75mg (4.3%)July 27, 2019 2.62mg (4.5%). August 18, 2019 2.5mg (4.8%). Sept. 14, 2019 2.375mg (5.0%) Oct.19, 2019 2.25mg.  Nov. 16, 2019 2.12mgDec. 7, 2019 2.00mg (5.9%). Jan. 4, 2020 1.875 mg (6.3%). Jan. 25, 2020 1.75 mgFeb. 29, 2020 1.625mg (7.10%).  Apr. 4, 2020 1.5 mg. May 9, 2020 1.375 mg. June 6, 2020 1.25 mg. (9.10%). July 4, 2020 1.125 mg. (10%).  August 15, 2020 1.0 mg.

OTHER MEDICATIONS: Gabapentin - 900 mg since July 2016, Prednisone  5mg.  QVAR Inhalant,  Supplements: Vitamin D, Probiotic, and Fish Oil.

 

 

 

 

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FarmGirlWorks
Posted (edited)

Profundity: what is that? Dear lord: not scrambling words is all I hope for now. Thanks... yeah, I wish it would go away now too. Ah, but there are gems, right? For instance,did a Zoom kundalini meditation now that was unexpectedly deep. My tinnitus has been getting louder and louder and that has been frightening and makes me feel more cuckoo for cocoa puffs than normal. This meditation, while not quieting it, did help me accept it more.

 

How are you doing with the World On Pause? I feel like we've been On Pause for so long that we've got it down!

Edited by FarmGirlWorks

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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Sheera

@FarmGirlWorks yes the 3 year wave is real but maybe more like a dip since the old waves were so much worse because we hadn’t seen the light at the end of the tunnel yet?  Also, I think it is the closest we’ve felt to normal in a long time so that wishful thinking that it’s finally over?  Either way, I’ve felt the 3 year wave too. I think I’m out of it though and my baseline did increase after it and symptoms seem to be shorter and less intense now. So even though it’s a wave, take heart knowing that your baseline will be even better than you though it could ever be!  It really is amazing thinking that what we thought was our final healing is really only the beginning of our new and wonderful normal. ❤️
 

Thinking of you and sending hugs your way—

Sheera 


Started Lamictal and Brintellix in November 2015

May 2016 Discontinued Lamictal 100 to 50 and then stopped completely.

October 20, 2016 discontinued Brintellex 10 to 5 then went from 5 to 0 on November 10, 2016.

 

Currently off all antidepressants

 

Current Supplements:  L-Theanine, Natural Progesterone, L-Methylfolate, Vitamin D, Omega-3's, Probiotic

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FarmGirlWorks

@Sheera: THANK YOU! One for validating that this wave/dip is real and also that your baseline was higher afterwards. So inspiring. Unlike before, I have more minutes/hours of hope and motivation in the form of loose plans. Which is cool when it appears. The reality, though, is slow-going now. Lots of feeling like there is a pressure to cry but I can't. And a bit of despair. Ah well... Hugs backatacha.


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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JackieDecides
On 4/14/2020 at 8:26 AM, FarmGirlWorks said:

She validated that the "3 year wave" is real.

I find this scary since I am only (almost) to 2 years. will I ever be normal? I hope so. will I ever not struggle? I guess not, since it is normal - human! - to struggle. 

 

I find it helps to hear others here on SA are going through the same thing. while, for some reason, the "isolation" due to Covid 19 is hard and knowing it's hard for others does NOT help. why? I don't know but suspect it is stressing other people and then that stress bleeds over into others. or something. 

 

but the people I interact with all, like me, are still working (nursing home) and so we have the advantage (I think) over those who are "working from home" and only get out into the world for shopping which has become so stressful and generally fraught. 


Currently taking Ramapril (blood pressure) 5 mg twice a day

Omeprazole 10 mg AM and 20 mg PM  (the taper has gone nowhere after the first cut)

Famotidine   once a day (and I still needs tums sometimes)

magnesium 200 mg at night

as of yesterday 2 fish oil capsules "EPA-DHA 1000"

 

off Lexapro as of 5/2018  - last dose had been 5 mg every other day for a couple years

 

highest dose had been 20 mg at which point I was diagnosed with Bipolar II, which went away when I cut the lexapro down to 15 mg. 

 

I spent years on Paxil before Lexapro (can't remember dose), briefly on Effexor and Abilify and others I have forgotten. in fact, when I was diagnoses with BPII I was put on all kinds of things which made me feel so bad I stopped them cold turkey within maybe 3 or 4 weeks, thank goodness. since then I've known these pills were terrible and I weaned down the Lexapro with zero help or support over I'm not sure how many years. 

 

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Rosetta

Hope you are feeling better!


https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Bythegrace

Thank you FarmGirlWorks for your positivity and encouragement. I’m 5 1/2 months out from my last dose of a Lexapro after an 8 month taper.....I’m hanging in best I can. I’ve experienced setbacks with the pandemic and a prostate cancer diagnosis for my husband...But reading your promises of healing gives me immediate strength and hope to keep on pushing through...The words “you will heal too” are life saving. Thanks for paying it forward.


1999 Prozac 20 mg for several weeks for situational anxiety. The introduction of the meds caused extreme, catastrophic anxiety. Tried multiple other antidepressants. Could not tolerate any because of low Glutathione levels. Back to Prozac 5 mg....leveled out eventually. Issues in 2010 lead me to try to increase Prozac to 10 mg then 20 mg ...so very difficult to metabolize with decreased Glutathione...Switched to Lexapro 10 mg in 2015 with much difficulty. Started to taper in March of 2019..shaving off dust from the 10 mg pill with a razor blade....Taper, hold, taper, hold all year (very successful) until I thought I could stop at 2.5 mg in August of 2019. Started experiencing withdrawals. Reinstated 2.5 mg of Lexapro to ease withdrawals in liquid form...(again massive anxiety with the re-addition). Tapered completely off November 11, 2019. Using Propranolol as needed. 

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@Bythegrace @Rosetta @JackieDecides @RachelSusan @Sheera: thank you for the encouragement. And, ByTheGrace, good vibes to your husband as well. Prostate cancer effects men so differently; there must be different types of it. Whatever the case, so inspired by your grit and determination.

 

I am still wavy gravy but def not as bad as it was last week. Dear lord. My TOTM came (at 53 no longer sure when the last one will occur) and that probably exaggerated the deep mood dive and, this never has happened before, insane bloating. Add to the Doom cocktail this Global Pandemic: mix and stir, serve flaming. I was re-reading this thread that I wrote in early February! And I remember the first big "trigger" happened in mid-March when I got caught in a panicked grocery run (there was no purchasing of tp but I did buy three jars of fresh shucked oysters so my primal reactions in a pandemic may not track with others). So recognizing the signs of a wave two-weeks later seems about right. God, I thought surviving the unexpected appearance of my bio-father was big -- HA! You make plans, write a success story... and God laughs.

 

The acceptance of this is stronger than before. As Rosetta said, we have seen waves before and we've seen them go. I've been sitting more due to Zoom and working on my kundalini certification which (sitting) can't be helpful. To that end, the past few days, I have only been listening to Prince and dancing a few times a day. That is where my grief is now, in a Prince binge. Also, I can cry about his death. And crying right now in this world seems to be about the right thing to do.

 

Or laughing: enjoy.

 

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  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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Thanks for your encouragement on my thread.  This will pass for you.  It’s very demoralizing, but it will pass.

 

Rosetta


https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Quick update: I pulled out of the Wave. Today is the 23rd and I feel like it was a week ago. So a 6ish-week wave? I dunno: although astrologically I am supposed to be detail-oriented, that has not translated into keeping track of time. Def recovered more quickly than ones before and only had a day or two of deep down blackness with SI. Sounds horrible but it is an improvement. And still none of the physical symptoms like head pressure or headache.

 

Yup, it is embarrassing to not be completely healed but I did say I was only at 90%ish when I wrote this Success Story and that feels about right.


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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@FarmGirlWorks 

Thats a huge improvement! And dont be embarassed at all. You got to a place in your healing where you felt ready.  Even with further waves hopefully minimal and short lasting that you know theyll pass and your healing is 100%. Im trailing behind you! Almost 27 months! I am definitely better improving symptoms are less intense but the most horrible ones are still with me and can be very discouraging.  I worry I wont ever be ok again. Si, suicidal intrusive thoughts, inner aka , dread, ground hogs day feeling and some hopelessness depression.  But less intense but still tough. I hope soon to be more healed and confident and the suicidal "feelings" or questioning life is gone. Hugs to you!!!


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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The "Groundhog's Day feeling" is so apt. And it seems like alot of "normies" are experiencing it now with the Shelter from Home action. You will heal and I am so glad to hear you are seeing improvements, @Elyssa143 that is great news. Each wave is lighter and faster and then... well, I'll let you know when I get there!


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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@FarmGirlWorks how are you doing? Well I hope! I’m approaching 28 months here soon and 2 years completely pharma free. Definitely having much easier times even a day or two where I feel normal for the most part. Back in a wave and it’s really tough. The inner akasthia in my chest/stomach never gets easier always makes me feel like I want to “die” or crawl out of my skin. Can you relate? Then of course come the si intrusive thoughts. All in all improving but still having really hard times. Again hope your well. Hugs my friend


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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28 months! Way to go, @Elyssa143. Each day is another day you are further away from the stranglehold of Big Pharma on your body. So proud of you. Sorry you're in a wave, they are so rough. And that is such a great sign having periods of time when you feel "normal." That is the homeostasis our body is re-learning. I too was in a wave recently (thank god -- they are shorter and less intense now, or maybe I'm just used to them). Even had cortisol spikes last week which is a symptom from the acute phase -- that was scary and honestly tripped me out. But I think these times are hard on people not going thru PAWS and  we are especially sensitive to the tension in the air around us. That is Real. So being gentle toward ourselves and accepting where we are at -- as always and as ever -- are the keys. For instance, I've been dealing with deep fatigue the last three days. Acceptance is hard but it helps. Fighting against it takes a lot more energy 😃 Hang in there!


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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@FarmGirlWorks how are you doing? Do you consider yourself still mostly recovered? Do you still have waves? Mentally are things a lot better? I sure hope so :) how’s it going as far as Covid stuff?


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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I am good at present. Just got a Covid test because I flew 4 days ago 👊 Pretty sure it'll be fine but y'know. Wow, you're in Florida: yikes. Stay safe!!!

 

To answer you, I try not to think about being "recovered" as that will surely invite a bad wave. Mentally still unfocused but I just got a bike and hope that the cardio improves this tired, sore brain. I have been getting PTSD from people not wearing masks (and, oh, I confront them) because the possible after-effects of Covid sound an awful lotvlike WD. Dear lord: no, never again.

 

It is *finally* summer here and that is cheery. Because of the pandemic, I am  a staying in better contact with friends and my AA community online and on the phone. I also have a new boyfriend. Compared to three years ago in acute withdrawal when I hopped into a relationship out of desperation for normality (god bless him for sticking thru my SI) my capacity now is stark. I'm not a self-centered, wounded animal and instead a vibrant human being.

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  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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@FarmGirlWorks I hope you traveled for fun? :) I can’t wait till I can do that! @Rosetta posted on her topic about the si and that is me 100. And it scares me so much. 2 years completely med free and 28 months into withdrawal and still struggle a lot, depression, inner akasthia, suicidal intrusive thoughts, si, dread. It’s tiring and exhausting. I get so scared it’s permanent or I’m more damaged because I feel like this so far out. I need to heal for my kids. I’m glad to see you say your a vibrant human being now. That’s awesome. Mentally do u feel mostly stable? When you say wave what is it and is really bad? Are most day enjoyable and stable? I’m never symptom free and the up and down is exhausting. :( I just wish I was further along. And the suicidal stuff was gone it’s so traumatizing to me. Hope your doing well today :) thanks for always taking the time to message me back 


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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Dear @Elyssa143: it does not feel like it now but you are getting better, your brain and body are doing all the right things. Brain injuries just take a long time to heal. And everyone's timeline of healing and situation is different so try not to trip on other people's experiences. You're okay now and you'll be even better in the future. Gratitude lists really helped me even if it felt forced. Helps with the re-wiring your brain is doing. 👊


  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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@FarmGirlWorks I really do appreciate it. I’m praying for being better. Thank you and I will continue to work on my gratitude lists :) as long as the brain heals I’ll be ok. My brain just tortures me with awful thoughts I know you know the drill.


13 months on 25 mg of sertraline.

Fast taper in march 2018, reinstated 12.5mg

Cold turkey sertraline april 17,2018

Zyprexa 5mg april 17,2018

Zyprexa taper to lamictal May 4-13 (life threatening rash)

Back on zyprexa 5mg for 10days & tapered over 5 weeks.

21 months off sertraline 

19 months off zyprexa

22 months into withdrawl 

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Hi there, quick update on recovery which is still happening just (thank god) not acute. It is 40ish months since cold turkey from sertraline/Zoloft.

 

I do not have any of the physical symptoms anymore (knock on wood). The head pressure /headaches were the last to go. I still am easily fatigued but that is probably due to the fact that I am getting up earlier for a yoga set and more physically active. Also I can slip quickly into high anxiety -- people close to me got the Covid and one is now in a coma -- and even had a touch of SI the other day. However, this is to be expected as cold turkey is typically a 3-5 year recovery. Learned a bunch of non-drug coping skills here and just knowing that I am naturally less resilient after all the shite of WD is validating. Kundalini yoga helps, doing segmented breath to control that part of the autonomic system.

 

I let waves pass. They always do.

 

But! Life is slowly getting better, despite the world burning. I even have lattes a few times a week!

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  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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Hey FGW,

 

18 hours ago, FarmGirlWorks said:

Also I can slip quickly into high anxiety -- people close to me got the Covid and one is now in a coma

Oh my - I am so sorry to hear this.  Having someone you are close to so sick would cause high anxiety in anyone not having gone through WD.  You are doing so well to take care of yourself midst all of the stress.  You are such an inspiration to me and so many others.

 

I am thinking of you and sending lots of love,

WR


-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper; withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin
-Tried several times to slowly taper Zoloft by 10%, then 5% every 4-6 weeks; could never get below approx. 40 mg - spring 2012 experienced major WD symptoms due to stress; tried to updose but no relief, back on Klonopin 1 mg.
-Switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to Citalopram. Finished Zoloft 1/13; Citalopram 35 mg and 1 mg Klonopin.
-8/13: 27 mg Citalopram; 1 mg Klonopin

-11/14: 12.6 Citalopram - began to have bad withdrawal symptoms; out of desperation increased to 1.25 mg Klonopin at the beginning of December.  12/13/14 16 mg Citalopram - going to stay here to try to stabilize; stabilized on 16 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

-7/15 - 3/16: reduced to 15 mg; ~ 2 months later w/d hit hard (probably r/t stress); 6/16 updosed to 20 mg Citalopram and trying to stabilize. Updosed to 1.5 Klonopin as well. Stabilized on 20 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

8/17-9/17: feeling withdrawal symptoms at 20 mg Citalopram (due to stress) - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium glycinate; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg

2020: 1/14/20: 10.89 mg (1.27% drop); 1/22/20: 10.75 mg (1.29% drop); 2/28/20 toe surgery; 4/26/20: 10.62 mg (1.21% drop); 5/3/20: 10.5 mg (1.22% drop); 5/10/20: 10.4 mg (1.24% drop); 5/17/20: 10.2 mg (1.25% drop); 6/7/20: 10.10 mg (1.27% drop); 6/14/20: 9.98 mg (1.19% drop); 6/21/20: 9.85 mg (1.30% drop); 6/28/20: 9.7 mg (1.22% drop); 7/12/20: 9.6 mg (1.23% drop); 7/19/20: 9.5 mg (1.25% drop); 7/26/20: 9.4 mg (1.26% drop); 8/2/20: 9.3 mg (1.28% drop); 8/17/20: 9.14 mg (1.19% drop); 8/31/20: 9.0 mg (1.31% drop); 9/6/20: 8.9 mg (1.22% drop); 9/27/20: 8.8 mg (1.23% drop); 10/4/20: 8.7 mg (1.25% drop); 10/11/20: 8.6 mg (1.27% drop); 10/18/20: 8.5 mg (1.28% drop)

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20 hours ago, FarmGirlWorks said:

Hi there, quick update on recovery which is still happening just (thank god) not acute. It is 40ish months since cold turkey from sertraline/Zoloft.

 

I do not have any of the physical symptoms anymore (knock on wood). The head pressure /headaches were the last to go. I still am easily fatigued but that is probably due to the fact that I am getting up earlier for a yoga set and more physically active. Also I can slip quickly into high anxiety -- people close to me got the Covid and one is now in a coma -- and even had a touch of SI the other day. However, this is to be expected as cold turkey is typically a 3-5 year recovery. Learned a bunch of non-drug coping skills here and just knowing that I am naturally less resilient after all the shite of WD is validating. Kundalini yoga helps, doing segmented breath to control that part of the autonomic system.

 

I let waves pass. They always do.

 

But! Life is slowly getting better, despite the world burning. I even have lattes a few times a week!

Thanks for the update! I'm 18 months out after a fast taper. Glad you are doing well. I feel better each month as well! We will get through this and crush anything in our paths! All the best to you :) 


I follow The Plant Paradox lifestyle by Dr.Gundry. This lifestyle has given me my life back and I feel better than I have ever felt in my life. It has enabled me to finally get off of this medication and truly live my life. Nutrition is the key to health!!!!! 

 

2008 to 2019  - 20 mg Paroxetine

 

Attempted 2 CT's around the 5-6 year mark. Were absolutely terrible and reinstated. Was never explained by the doctor the seriousness of the short half life of this drug. 

 

2017 - Attempted a tapered discontinuation of this drug and reinstated after being unsuccessful.

 

2019 - Feb. 12 - After a three month taper I am off of paroxetine. The 3 months were terrible, awful withdrawal feelings. I followed the doctors guidelines for the reduction of this drug and now know it was way too fast. 
 

2019 - Oct. 12 - 8 months off paroxetine. 75% improvement since coming off the drug. Definitely have had tons of challenges along the way. Let’s go!!!! 

 

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Hi FGW,

I’m glad you are doing all right.  I hope your friend gets well, obviously.  
 

My daughter is in virtual school until Sept 25, and I hope that continues until January at least.  I don’t want her going out anywhere.  We stay home most of the time, and if we go anywhere, we are very careful.  I know for some parents the school can’t open fast enough, but I’m terrified that I’ll be afraid to be near her if she’s going to school.  I don’t have to send her, but if I don’t, she will be given a random teacher who is not at her physical school and does not use the pedagogy of that special, magnet school.  It will be a tough call if the administrators decide to open the school too soon.

 

Thanks for checking in on me when I was struggling so much.  I’m better, for now.

 

Rosetta


https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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@Rosetta: great to hear from you. I have such compassion for the choices people with school-age kids need to make now. It seems exponential the decisions, the concern. I know you'll do exactly what is right.

 

Just read this article and reserved the book, Livewired, at the library: https://www.brainpickings.org/2020/08/23/david-eagleman-livewired-drug-withdrawal-heartbreak/?mc_cid=6b880b1b0f&mc_eid=8ad6baa6ef

 

This article is about how thru those who have experienced drug withdrawal (all of our hands are raised here) have receptors that change because the brain learns to expect a drug and when it is not there,  we start the road back to homeostasis. We all want or expect our brain to be the same as soon as possible. But until those receptors and the nervous system heals, we are in the limbo of withdrawal. The author equates drug withdrawal to the physiological manifestations of heartbreak... of course, heartbreak can be much more than a romance. For me, my mothers were/are a source of heartbreak. The betrayal of doctors who don't know shite about withdrawal are another legit source of heartbreak. I want to end this post on a "positive" but acknowledging that there is real, physical pain "positive" too. At least it is real.

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  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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I received a DM today from a dear member about a supplement. I thought the response bore repeating here (without identifying info, of course).

 

I have not tried (that supplement). I believe that it doesn't matter how many chemicals (like dopamine enhancers) we add to our body. Until the receptors/pathways heal then there is no being able to process the added substances. My analogy is a baseball game where a hitter bangs out a bunch of balls to the outfield. If the catchers are there, then they "catch" the balls(substances) and can use them. But if nobody is in the outfield, doesn't matter how many balls are hit out there, the balls lie useless on the ground.

 

It is a rough analogy but I believe if there was a supplement to make this go quicker, then we'd have heard about it.

 

What works to improve pathways: EXERCISE! Whatever you can tolerate and doesn't activate your body adversely. Also games like chess or even the app Luminosity to keep the brain pathways firing. Acceptance that the process sucks gives your body the relief to recover.

 

I am so sorry you are in this. You'll get out of it but don't look for a magic pill to do it for you -- that is what got most of us in this predicament in the first place.

Edited by FarmGirlWorks

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis 😩 July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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