Ella56: Drug withdrawal

[Colonial]

Any new emotional stress like arguing can make Your symptoms worse, even "good" stress, like getting a new puppy.

Anything that adds stress to Your nervous system, anything new to your daily life, that your brain has to try to "process" can set you off kilter and can bring a wave.

 

One of the mods can work with you a little further down the line on when to start dropping, but that all depends on how long it takes to get stable.

 

 

[Ella56]

March 6 Evening. Daily notes

8pm took omegas vit e

11pm bed, feeling the emotions in my abdomen, was very grumpy today with people. Irritable.

March 7

530 am i woke up..fear feelings in my abdomen still. Went  back to sleep.

730 got up.

10am breakfast. Magnesium

Still nervouness in stomach but lessened

I realize i have ocd thoughts..just didnt name it before. 

1pm took 1 mg celexa

3pm anxiety, stomach area still, ringing in my head area. Neuro emotions

6pm agitation..why did i do this, go off meds, put myself through this. Angry. Thoughts of self harm sometimes. Realize now i have had these thoughts before but never named it. Been reading forum, healing stuff all day but know i need balance. Walks, baths, movie...to try to destress.

8pm bath epsom salts, omega 2400mg, vit e

 

I am getting around the forum more so able to get clearer on my symptoms. Couldnt hardly think last week.. Brain fog and unclear memory. 

[Ella56]

March 8 daily notes

 

12 am bed to sleep.

430 am woke up screaming anger

730 am panic past hurts 

 

930 am somewhat up. Loss over an issue from the past. Depressed

 

1pm Dizziness, ringing in head

 

130 pm (Which is actually 1230, clocks moved ahead one hour) took 1 mg celexa

 

230 crying spells all day off and on   suicidal feelings again. Past loss going over, cant seem to feel.i can heal, daughter..or neuro? had a Bath

 

330 lunch

 

830pm omega vit e  pressure on my head it feels. Depressed day. 

 

[Ella56]

March 9 notes

 

March 8 1130 pm took tylenol, headache

Slept til 730 am  

 

730am  woke up crying depressed

 

9am breakfast, then went back to bed to read

 

12 am still depressed

 

2pm nap  heat wave

 

430 pm short walk outside but made me dizzy, heat wave

 

8pm omega, probiotics all my muscles ache..really feeling dizzy tonight, brain fog, heat waves. Light headache..flu like symptoms.

Going to bed now.

 

[Ella56]

March 9 notes

 

March 8 1130 pm took tylenol, headache

Slept til 730 am  

 

730am  woke up crying depressed

 

9am breakfast, then went back to bed to read

 

12 am still depressed

 

2pm nap  heat wave

 

430 pm short walk outside but made me dizzy, heat wave

 

8pm omega, probiotics all my muscles ache..really feeling dizzy tonight, (was listening to delta waves, binural beats and dont know if that caused it) brain fog, heat waves. Light headache..flu like symptoms.

Going to bed now.

 

[Colonial]

Wow, 8 hours sleep straight through?

Awesome! ❤️

[Ella56]

@AltostrataHello, 1mg cslexa is not doing enough to support me in these wd.. Can i go to 2mg or 5mg to help with the wds and then try to stabilize? 

[Altostrata]

What symptoms have improved since you started 1mg Celexa?

[Ella56]

I havent had a major disconnect feeling but all the rest are the same. Feeling so hopeless, sorry for myself, regret some of things i wrote on here, just feel i cant take anymore  Should i take 2 or 5mg? Will it bring symptoms down? Is the only downfall, will take longer to get off totally? 

 

 

2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What symptoms have improved since you started 1mg Celexa?

@AltostrataHello, 1mg cslexa is not doing enough to support me in these wd.. Can i go to 2mg or 5mg to help with the wds and then try to stabilize? 

[Ella56]

March 10 

Awake on and off all night.

7am body aches all over, still ringing in my head

9am breakfast, omega, magnesium

11am just exhausted, muscle joints all hurt

1230 therapy session

 

2pm took 1mg celexa forgot to take with me when i went out ..a hour late 

 

330pm bath epsom salts

 

From there i was depressed, hopeless  crying all night, slept off and on. Maybe therapy was too much. All day March 11 i was overwhelmed and didnt put in notes. 

 

March 12

9am shaky sick 100mg mag and 1200omegas

 

1pm 1mg celexa, achy all over, depressed still

 

3pm achy muscles, feeling how do i get through this  ringing in my head. Going to bed. Stayed home and in bed rest of day and night.

 

730 protein shake, probiotics, omegas.

 

[Ella56]

March 13

4am woke up headache

 

9am awake. still feeling disconnected from self when i look at myself. 

11am ringing in head, whether i am lying down or standing up. Staying in today

1130 to 1230 slept

1pm took 1mg celexa

4pm bath 

8pm omegas watched tv

11pm realized i shouldnt of watched so much tv. Feeling realized confused on my healing want some answer just dont know what to ask.

 

12pm having tacing breathing..i know i overstimulated from tv..trying to sleep off and on til 630 am

 

630 woke fear  hopeless, feel alone, crying and muscle pain all over. Daughter texted i want to tell her but afraid she wont believe me like my sister. Feel alone. Losing relationships in other areas thatci worried about all night and yestrday.  Praying for strength. 

[Ella56]

On 3/7/2020 at 8:49 PM, Colonial said:

Any new emotional stress like arguing can make Your symptoms worse, even "good" stress, like getting a new puppy.

Anything that adds stress to Your nervous system, anything new to your daily life, that your brain has to try to "process" can set you off kilter and can bring a wave.

 

One of the mods can work with you a little further down the line on when to start dropping, but that all depends on how long it takes to get stable.

 

 

How exactly will i know or feel i am stable? And how do people make that decision to move up reinstatement amount ie to 2mg from 1mg? Why should they?

[Colonial]

Your stable when Your no longer having symptoms.

You would know its safe to go higher if you had no worsening symptoms going back on the 1 mg after a certain amount of time.

I'm no expert but if you are not worse in 3 weeks I would say you are past that danger but anyone else reading please jump in if I am wrong...

You would only go higher, I think,  IF You thought the 1 mg you were taking was giving you some relief for reinstatement but not enough.

I don't know if their is any point going higher if the 1 mg isn't helping.

You have to really take inventory on how much you think it may or may not have helped.

I suppose their might be a minimum amount a person needs to have relief, but that would be different from person to person.

 I don't think anyone can say what that would be for You, or if they would even recommend it seeing how many times You've CT'd off it already...

Going higher just might make You worse at this point...

 

 

[manymoretodays]

1 hour ago, Colonial said:

Your stable when Your no longer having symptoms.

You would know its safe to go higher if you had no worsening symptoms going back on the 1 mg after a certain amount of time.

I'm no expert but if you are not worse in 3 weeks I would say you are past that danger but anyone else reading please jump in if I am wrong...

You would only go higher, I think,  IF You thought the 1 mg you were taking was giving you some relief for reinstatement but not enough.

I don't know if their is any point going higher if the 1 mg isn't helping.

You have to really take inventory on how much you think it may or may not have helped.

I suppose their might be a minimum amount a person needs to have relief, but that would be different from person to person.

 I don't think anyone can say what that would be for You, or if they would even recommend it seeing how many times You've CT'd off it already...

Going higher just might make You worse at this point...

 

 

 

Hi,

So we talk about a Withdrawal stable a bit differently, than from stable with no longer having symptoms.

From: Are We There Yet?  How long is Withdrawal going to take? 

 

4 hours ago, Ella56 said:

How exactly will i know or feel i am stable? And how do people make that decision to move up reinstatement amount ie to 2mg from 1mg? Why should they?

 

Hi Ella56,

Take a look at the link above.  You just click on the upper right arrow and you can read the whole thing.  Are you better or worse than since before you reinstated?  It does look like you have had some additional circumstances that have added to your distress.  I thought I saw a missed dose recently too, sometimes that can cause a few bumps too.

And are you getting familiar with some of the non-drug coping:

We strongly encourage members to learn and use non drug coping techniques to help get through tough times.

 

Understanding what is happening helps us to not get caught up with the second fear, or fear of the fear.  This happens when we experience sensations in our body and because we don't understand them we are scared of them and then start to panic.

 

This document has a diagram of the body explaining what happens in the body when we become anxious:

 

https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/docs/AnxietySelfHelp.pdf

 

Anxiety Stuff - all kinds of stuff about anxiety attacks and things that help ...

 

Audio FEMALE VOICE:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes)

 

Audio MALE VOICE:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes)

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

 

dealing-with-emotional-spirals

 

Dr Claire Weekes suffered from anxiety and learned and taught ways of coping.  There are videos available on YouTube.

 

Claire Weekes' Method of Recovering from a Sensitized Nervous System

 

Audio:  How to Recover from Anxiety - Dr Claire Weekes

 

CBT Course:  An Introductory Self-Help Course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy

 

Resources:  Centre for Clinical Interventions (PDF modules that you can work through, eg:  Depression, Distress Intolerance, Health Anxiety, Low Self-Esteem, Panic Attacks, Perfectionism, Procrastination, Social Anxiety, Worrying)

 

On 4/27/2017 at 12:03 PM, brassmonkey said:

 

AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float.  It's what you have to do when nothing else works, and can be a very powerful tool in coping with anxiety.  The neuroemotional anxiety many of us feel during WD is directly caused by the drugs and their chemical reactions in the brain.  Making it so there is nothing we can do about them.  They won't respond to other drugs, relaxation techniques and the like.  They do, however, react very well to being ignored.  That's the concept behind AAF.  Acknowledge, get to know the feeling involved, explore them.  Accept, These feelings are a part of you and they aren't going anywhere fast. Float, let the feeling float off as you get on with your life as best as you can.  It's a well documented fact that the more you feed in to anxiety the worse it gets.  What starts as generalized neuroemotinal anxiety can be easily blown into a full fledged panic attack just by thinking about it.

 

I often liken it to an unwanted house guest.  At first you talk to them, have conversations, communicate with them.  After a while you figure out that they aren't leaving and there is nothing you can do to get rid of them.  So you go on about your day, working around them until they get bored and leave.

 

It can take some practice, but AAF really does work.  I hope you give it a try.

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by manymoretodays
bolding

[manymoretodays]

Hi again,

You might like some of the Claire Weeks Video's as well.  If this one isn't a good fit for you, there are others on youtube as well.

Here's one:

 

[Colonial]

@manymoretodays  Thank you!  🙂

I 

[manymoretodays]

What we are hoping for Ella56, is that you get some relief from WDsymptoms, with the reinstatement.  Some relief. 

So that's why I'm asking, as to if you feel at least some relief of symptoms since reinstatement?  I know it took a few days to get regular doses, with your reinstatement to 1 mg.,

And then it's been a little over 2 weeks now since reinstatement.

 

And the the reinstatement is not the same as getting medicated for "depression" or "anxiety".  Most of your symptoms now are WDsyndrome symptoms. 

We do really support members in beginning to learn to cope with changes in emotions, with non-drug coping skills.  And there are many in the Symptoms and Self Care Forum.

 

I just chose some around your fears now or "anxiety".

 

People might go up to even 1.5 mg, rather than 2 mg or 5 mg, to see if they got a bit of further relief from WDsyndrome symptoms.  We have you go slow, just as Colonial said, to avoid kindling, or having a bad reaction to the drug that you are reinstating with.  If you have a bad reaction to a small increase, or even with reinstatement, then you can stop it.

 

Give me a report though, after going through some of your notes and all, as to if you think the 1 mg has helped at all with WDsymptoms.  And then I see that Alto asked, as far as what symptoms had improved:

And you answered:

  

On 3/12/2020 at 11:10 AM, Altostrata said:

What symptoms have improved since you started 1mg Celexa?

 

On 3/12/2020 at 1:26 PM, Ella56 said:

I havent had a major disconnect feeling but all the rest are the same. Feeling so hopeless, sorry for myself, regret some of things i wrote on here, just feel i cant take anymore  Should i take 2 or 5mg? Will it bring symptoms down? Is the only downfall, will take longer to get off totally? 

 

 

And thank you for the notes, as well.  I'm just taking a look back through now.....

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by manymoretodays

[Ella56]

5 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

What we are hoping for Ella56, is that you get some relief from WDsymptoms, with the reinstatement.  Some relief. 

So that's why I'm asking, as to if you feel at least some relief of symptoms since reinstatement?  I know it took a few days to get regular doses, with your reinstatement to 1 mg.,

And then it's been a little over 2 weeks now since reinstatement.

 

And the the reinstatement is not the same as getting medicated for "depression" or "anxiety".  Most of your symptoms now are WDsyndrome symptoms. 

We do really support members in beginning to learn to cope with changes in emotions, with non-drug coping skills.  And there are many in the Symptoms and Self Care Forum.

 

I just chose some around your fears now or "anxiety".

 

People might go up to even 1.5 mg, rather than 2 mg or 5 mg, to see if they got a bit of further relief from WDsyndrome symptoms.  We have you go slow, just as Colonial said, to avoid kindling, or having a bad reaction to the drug that you are reinstating with.  If you have a bad reaction to a small increase, or even with reinstatement, then you can stop it.

 

Give me a report though, after going through some of your notes and all, as to if you think the 1 mg has helped at all with WDsymptoms.

 

And thank you for the notes, as well.  I'm just taking a look back through now.....

 

 

@manymoretodaysI am trying to figure it all out. So i am not kindling so far. I feel better in some areas.i will try to get clear what areas. Why would I go up in amounts if i want to go off completely thats what i cant understand. I will be looking for place this week and nothing else. 

[manymoretodays]

If you get relief with 1 mg, there's no reason to go up higher now.  It is kind of confusing, huh?

You just stay with it, nice and consistent for several months, and then when you aren't dealing with any major life stressors, you can begin to taper down again.  Doing a nice, 10% taper, even from the 1 mg dose.

 

Moving is a huge stressor Ella56.  And so take that into account right now, and go easy on your self expectations, and all.  Do the best self care ever!

 

Keep the notes coming, and and yes, then report back on what has improved too.  You may not need to updose.  If you do, I'm thinking, why not by just 0.5 mg?  We can see what Alto thinks too. 

[Ella56]

March 14

Last night during the night racing breathing. I couldnt get it to calm and i knew it was from watched tv to much. So awake a lot and didnt sleep well. Took tylenol 500mg and a aspirin 81 mg

830 crying spell, thinking is the muscle pains anxiety.

9am bath, omegas

10am breakfast

1230 walk, i want to go more but just around the block,  cant do much i get dizzy, ringing in my head

1pm 1 mg celexa

3pm found out i need to move end of the month. Worried this will push me over what i can handle. Freeze mode a bit.

5pm anxiety

6pm got invited to neighbour for dinner long time friend

730 came home cant visit or socialize longer

8pm bath, omegas 2000 , magnesium, 500mg crying spell.

[Altostrata]

On 3/12/2020 at 12:26 PM, Ella56 said:

Feeling so hopeless, sorry for myself, regret some of things i wrote on here, just feel i cant take anymore 

 

Ella, have you had these feelings before you changed to Pristiq? Maybe they've always been with you in some way?

 

Do you feel better or worse after you take 1mg Celexa at 1 p.m.?

[Ella56]

3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

Ella, have you had these feelings before you changed to Pristiq? Maybe they've always been with you in some way?

 

Do you feel better or worse after you take 1mg Celexa at 1 p.m.?

Hello, Yes, I feel better since i started taking Celexa. Not right away, but I think the worse symptoms are a bit better. I still can only handle a few hours out a day and tired. Thanks. 

[Altostrata]

Might be a good idea to turn off all screens earlier. Please let us know how you're doing.

 

You may be interested in these topics:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Easing your way into meditation for a stressed-out nervous system

 

Music for self-care: calms hyperalertness, anxiety, aids relaxation and sleep

 

Ways to cope with daily anxiety

 

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

 

Shame, guilt, regret, and self-criticism

 

Deep emotional pain and crying spells, spontaneous weeping

[Ella56]

March 15

12:15 anger, screamed

630 am woke up

8am omega, 1200 mg ringing in head

930 wentvto church but realize not ready for that too loud, but had lunch after with friend

 

1230 to 1 nap

 

1 too celexa 1 mg

 

3 pm went for walk

 

6pm  stress ..at the move situation and the amount of time she gave me but causing neuro anger

 

830 Anxiety tonight. 

[manymoretodays]

Hi again Ella56,

I answered your question(s) in PM, the best I could.  I do see that the same questions have been asked out here, and responded to.  So please just @ me, right out here, on your introduction with subsequent questions that arise.  So that you know I will see them, and respond, when I can.

 

Around managing anger:  Managing anger

Sudden fear, terror, panic, or anxiety from withdrawal

^ links will confirm that you are not alone in how you are feeling now, and you might something coping wise helpful too

 

And if you can't rest, or read much, go to the Off Topic forum, you'll see it from the Home Page once you are signed in......and explore just off topic topics.  Here's a few, that might make you laugh, cry, or just feel better that I like:

Lalochezia!  The cursing thread

Music....what music helps you? Put it here

 

In the Finding Meaning forum:

Meaning through poetry(favorites, published)

^ has a link to members original poetry, in the first post

 

Best Ella56, stay safe,  you can keep getting on through the tough stuff.......I know you can.

L, P, H, and G,

I'll check in on your thread later tomorrow U.S. time, oh so busy today, other work, and helping some friends,......I am so lucky to get to ski for awhile early tomorrow.......❤️

mmt

Edited March 16, 2020 by manymoretodays

[Ella56]

Ok will post here

[manymoretodays]

You asked:  What is protracted withdrawal?

 

Protracted just means, by definition:  lasting for a long time or longer than expected or usual. or: to draw out or lengthen, especially in time; extend the duration of; prolong.

 

And withdrawal, well you are having WD symptoms, and there are many symptoms of withdrawal......I'm pretty sure you have links to more about withdrawal.

 

What is withdrawal syndrome?

more specifics, start in the 2nd post above

.....and then all the symptoms listed by Dr. Glenmullen(  I think you have the link to the symptom list)

 

When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made.  The CNS likes stability. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur. (why there are symptoms of WD, explained a bit, and bolded)

 

I hope that helps answer your last PM.

 

(((((Ella56)))))

nite, nite from me......ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by manymoretodays

[Ella56]

7 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Might be a good idea to turn off all screens earlier. Please let us know how you're doing.

 

You may be interested in these topics:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Easing your way into meditation for a stressed-out nervous system

 

Music for self-care: calms hyperalertness, anxiety, aids relaxation and sleep

 

Ways to cope with daily anxiety

 

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

 

Shame, guilt, regret, and self-criticism

 

Deep emotional pain and crying spells, spontaneous weeping

@Altostrata I have woke up again screaming. I am really concerned about my anger. It feels everything i ever pushed down is coming to the surface. I am wondering if i should go back on higher celexa to stabilize myself more. I am in a vulnerable position moving, angry ar this lady, medical funds are over soon, 5 weeks  i cant work like this. I think 1mg helped a little but scared on this anger its explosive.  I wanted off but now i just want stability. I dont understand kindling. If i went back on 10mg would i stabilize better then taper properly. I have gone through 6 months now. Every muscle in my body feels it is screaming. 

[Ella56]

13 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

Ella, have you had these feelings before you changed to Pristiq? Maybe they've always been with you in some way?

 

Do you feel better or worse after you take 1mg Celexa at 1 p.m.?

I dont notice better or worse after i take 1mg. 

[Ella56]

I must of started another wave because i was doing better but the stress. I think this is serious i am here another ten days. I dont think i can get through this safely. I mean not exploding..doing something serious. My cognitive is not takung over.  I feel rage anger, trembling , now pins burn in right arm. I have never felt out of control in my anger before. I am probably fighting the wave because i dont feel safe and cant keep my thinking to this will end..be accepting of her..not feel indignate. I dont have funds to make a change ..go stay somewhere else. Worried. Only 4 hrs sleep last night  my body is not holding anything in. Do i go up on celexa or would i tske ativan if it gets worse. @Altostrata. Celexa i still had anxiety depression, pristiq i didnt have either. I think thatcwas a question u asked me. 

[Colonial]

Yes, worry about having to move in 10 days with no where do go would keep a healthy person up as well, since your body would send extra Cortisol stress hormone to "deal" with the impending emergency of not having somewhere to live.

 

Different states have laws about evicting people.  People can not just be thrown out on the streets on 2 weeks notice.  You may want to call your local town hall.  I realize it is in your best interest long term to get out of there, but there is usually a waiting period or requirement of some legal notice.  I know some states are more lax than others, but for most it is a minimum of 30 days from legal notice.  If you were not legally notified but just "told" or "asked" to leave in a short time, then your 30 days may not yet have begun.

 

Again I don't know your particular case, and I don't need to, but call your town or county and talk to someone about Your right against eviction.  If you can get some legal reassurance, and someone from the government comes out and talks to whomever is supposedly asking you to leave, you can a better idea of the true nature of the situation and it should buy you a little more time.  That should help the stress level, knowing what your rights are and also ask what options they may have for temporary housing for you.

 

 

[Ella56]

If the agitation i am feeling at this time is too much, i feel i dont know how to calm it, Sat in sun  moving around packing, did breathing exercises, what would be worse putting celexa up or taking ativan? Using the coping skills. I feel i am on high alert, body pushing me to go go ..had a hard night dont want another. I had a bath too. I feel.i am going to explode..i have .05 ativan and have to take it. I was yelling, pounding the bed last night. Woke up at 230 screaming. Walking too fast causes dizzyness, brain ringing, but maybe just walk til i get too exhausted. This happened before months ago. I drop around crazy didnt know what to do. 

[Colonial]

10 minutes ago, Ella56 said:

what would be worse putting celexa up or taking ativan?

 

Maybe try to think about what choices are the best and not the worst?

As in that is likely to help you stabilize your panic.

If you are taking the Ativan again, PLEASE make sure to keep very good notes on when you took it, and note any bad symptoms or improvements around the dosage time. 

[Ella56]

26 minutes ago, Colonial said:

 

Maybe try to think about what choices are the best and not the worst?

As in that is likely to help you stabilize your panic.

If you are taking the Ativan again, PLEASE make sure to keep very good notes on when you took it, and note any bad symptoms or improvements around the dosage time. 

Ok thanks I will. Just waiting to get some advice on whether to go up on celexa. Thats what i want to know too. I know these are wd symptoms. I know i have to be safe. I dont know if i should go up on celexa. I dont know what ativan will do to me because benzos are not good. I dont know if i have some addiction to it because i took it intermittantly. . I could try tylenol and aspirin in place of ativan to see if agitation subsides. Would that be better, ?  would think so. f it doesnt i am taking ativan. Thanks 

[Altostrata]

Yes, having to move undoubtedly added to stress and caused a jump in symptoms.

 

Since you've felt some improvement with 1mg citalopram, how about slowly increasing by adding 0.5mg, see if that helps?

[manymoretodays]

Hi Ella,

I think you might be doing okay with the 1 mg.  Yet.......I don't have a problem if you want to try an increase of .5 mg or 1 mg.  For a total daily dose of 1.5 mg or 2 mg.

And okay, seems Alto and I almost double posted.  Let's stick with the .5 mg dose increase then, if you decide to do that.  Please read the rest of my post too though.  Thank you.

 

Again though.....keep in mind, that it may not help a whole lot with the situational stressors right now.  And that you will have to be able to measure out your dose consistently, and keep reporting with the drug and symptom notes.  I think the 1 mg reinstatement may have helped a bit.  I'm not sure if an increase will help offset WD symptoms too much more, but it might be worth a cautious try.  It's up to you Ella 56.  If you want to wait and see how the move goes, and the positive change in your environment.......that's fine too.

 

You ARE sleeping!  At least a fair amount and that is really good.  Keep working hard on non-drug coping for the neuro-emotions.  Keep trying/practicing for meditative moments, or periods of time to neutralize the uproar inside right now.  Try and find a few more supportive, comforting people to talk with, or gather with, even if briefly.  And maybe set in some safety features, to assure yourself that you won't act out now.

 

Have you tried any magnesium yet?  I found that to be calming, perhaps a bit more than the Omega 3's.  You could, of course, later add in Omega 3's, as those can sure be a nice balm for the nervous system too.

 

BASIC SUPPLEMENT TOOLKIT

King of supplements: Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil)

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Edited March 16, 2020 by manymoretodays
double posting with Alto, oh my, so clarifying for Ella