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Hallo. I have been on Paxil for 20 years, 20 mg

I went down to 10mg, then I switched to Prozac 

After 15 months tapering, I am down to 1 mg

In my country there is no liquid for Prozac, but I can resolve them in water, just don’t know how to measure. I would appreciate a help with that.

Thank you

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Hi, thanks for having me in here. I have used this forum for months while tapering. Couldn’t get where I am today with out it. Thank you

My story is that I have been on Paxil 20 mg for 20 years. 
Tried many times to get off it, with no success. At 10 mg I switched to Prozac, to ease my withdrawals symptoms, cause that drug has longer half life then Paxil. 
Well I have been tapering for about 15 months now, and I am down to 1 mg. The thing is I can’t weigh my pills anymore. And I don’t know how to measure it with water. Here in my country Iceland you can’t get liquid form.

I hope someone can help me in these final steps.

 

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Hanna72

@brassmonkeyCan you help me?

Hope I have done correctly the new thread of introduction 

 

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@Gridley thank you for the information 

Just so it’s clear, I put 10mg capsule in 10 ml water, and drag a 1 ml in my syringe, and that would be 1 mg? Right? I just don’t want to mess up my last gramm. I also wonder if I am getting accurate dose since I see there is some white stuff floating in the water. 

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Gridley
4 minutes ago, Hanna72 said:

@Gridley thank you for the information 

Just so it’s clear, I put 10mg capsule in 10 ml water, and drag a 1 ml in my syringe, and that would be 1 mg? Right? I just don’t want to mess up my last gramm. I also wonder if I am getting accurate dose since I see there is some white stuff floating in the water. 

 

I don't know about liquid, since I've done my whole taper (at this point at 0.7 lexapro) with the scale.  I notified the other mods to get you some support on your liquid taper.  

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Hi Hanna-- yes that would be the way to do it. There are a couple of refinements that will help. Use tepid water, not hot and not cold. Open the capsule and mix just the powder in the water and throw away the empty capsule.  Let it stand for a couple of hours while occasionally mixing it.  Let the white stuff settle to the bottom, otherwise just ignore it.  The capsules are made with a filler material so it is easier to manufacture them, sometimes the fillers are not soluble in water so they just float there or settle out.  In the case of prozac all the medication will dissolve into the water even though the fillers don't. Some medications don't dissolve in water and have to be handles differently, but that doesn't apply here. If you keep it in the refrigerator this liquid should stay fresh for four or five days.

 

I'll wave as I fly over Iceland tomorrow night. 

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@brassmonkeythank you so much. I am sorry if I made the mistake on calling my pills capsules, ( my darn English) but I am taking pills. I have to weigh them on a micro scale. Dose this method apply for it too? 
So sorry to bother you.

 

 

 

I will wave right back at you

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brassmonkey

Yes it does.  You might try crushing the pills a bit before putting them in the water.  Best of luck. Leave for the airport in an hour.

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Erell

Hello Hannah,

 

First, congratulations for your tapper !

 

Two remarks: 

 

- could you tell us how you did your Prozac bridge ? (Timeframe, doses, symptoms...).

It is always interesting To have testimonies. 

 

- you seem To be very familiar with the advices given here, so, just To be sure, I wanna remind you the importance of a very slow tapper, especially on such a low dose. 

What percentage do you use ?

 

Nice To meet you !

 

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Hi Erell, nice to meet you too.

Yes I will put my drug history on here. It won’t be accurate per day, cause I have done the taper mostly on how I feel, and always stabilise after each cut. 
But I will do my best. 
I am working on it👍

 

 

 

 

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@brassmonkey Thank you for your help, got it 👍

 

Take care

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Posted (edited)

Titled:  I will be free

 

So I have come along way. I know I am not FREE yet....but I am starting to see the light. As I am writing this I am so emotional, and since I have gotten under 10 mg of my anti depressants, I can feel. For the first time in years. I am just so grateful, and thankful for this thread, which I have used for months, without signing in on it, until few days ago.

When I started my taper, there was only one thing on my mind, and still is, that is “ I don’t know how I am going to win, I just know I am not going to loose” This is my mantra and I use it every day.

I have struggled along the way many times, been afraid, had all kinds of symptoms, but this time in my taper I have let it come and told myself, it will pass. And it always has.

Our minds are amazing, and like we say here in Iceland, your mind and thinking will get you were you want to go. 
Let’s do it!!!

Edited by manymoretodays
moved from tapering, to introduction

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manymoretodays

Hi Hanna72, @Hanna72

I just moved your post from our tapering forum, back here to your introduction.  Have you found the "Finding Meaning forum" yet?  I linked it, it's down below the Introductions forum, and you'll see it when you are on the main page or Home page.  You may want to contribute there. 

I took the liberty of adding "I will be free" to your introduction title and hope that is okay, as your current title was simply: Introduction

 

Nice post, very encouraging.  Thank you.

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

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@manymoretodays Thank you, still trying to figure this forum out. 

 

Have a great day 

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@manymoretodays Hi was wondering if you could help me out. The thing is that I’ve been hit with the flu pretty hard. I just can’t seem to get better. Haven’t had such bad flu for years. So my question is, do you think my immune system is weaker do to my withdrawals ? I have been debating if I should go and see if I need antibiotics, but I really don’t want to. I am probably just being impatient. 
Any thoughts ?

Best regards 🙏

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Hi everyone.

Have you experienced flu like symptoms in your withdrawals? I feel so weak, been sick for over a week, don’t seem to get any better😔Going mad. 
I am just so frustrated, and so ready to get this poison (Prozac) done with already. 
Just needed to vent😪

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Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, Hanna72 said:

@manymoretodays Hi was wondering if you could help me out. The thing is that I’ve been hit with the flu pretty hard. I just can’t seem to get better. Haven’t had such bad flu for years. So my question is, do you think my immune system is weaker do to my withdrawals ? I have been debating if I should go and see if I need antibiotics, but I really don’t want to. I am probably just being impatient. 
Any thoughts ?

Best regards 🙏

 

Hi Hanna72,

See Gridley's response above too. 

 

And oh no, I'm sorry you have been so sick?  What kind of symptoms?  If it has been a week, hopefully healing is around the corner.   Viral infections generally can take 10- 14 days to run their course.  Antibiotics don't treat viruses.  If you think you might have a secondary bacterial infection or need supportive care, if I were you, I would go to the doctor.  Or phone them for advice.  Has Coronavirus hit Iceland? 

 

I don't know really, if your immune system is weaker due to withdrawals.  Your body is in some distress, and of course, when in distress, all systems may be affected.  Mainly the nervous system with WD, autonomic and central.

 

Meantime, healing thoughts.  And keep us updated too.

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

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@Gridley Thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

 

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23 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

 

Hi Hanna72,

See Gridley's response above too. 

 

And oh no, I'm sorry you have been so sick?  What kind of symptoms?  If it has been a week, hopefully healing is around the corner.   Viral infections generally can take 10- 14 days to run their course.  Antibiotics don't treat viruses.  If you think you might have a secondary bacterial infection or need supportive care, if I were you, I would go to the doctor.  Or phone them for advice.  Has Coronavirus hit Iceland? 

 

I don't know really, if your immune system is weaker due to withdrawals.  Your body is in some distress, and of course, when in distress, all systems may be affected.  Mainly the nervous system with WD, autonomic and central.

 

Meantime, healing thoughts.  And keep us updated too.

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

@manymoretodaysThank you for your reply. I have been reading the files that Gridley sent me.

I think it is flu like symptoms from withdrawals, have no fever, but it feels like I do. My whole body is a mess, aches in joints, itchy all over, headache, feel like my eyes are gonna pop out. Cold one min and warm the next. 
 Yes the coronavirus has hit Iceland., unfortunately 

This to will pass 🙏

Have a great weekend and take care.

Best regards 

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Is withdrawals a symptom that the body is healing itself ?

 

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Cocopuffz17
29 minutes ago, Hanna72 said:


Is withdrawals a symptom that the body is healing itself ?

 

Absolutely it is. We were on the exact same drug, you for 20 year and I for 11 years. I am now over 13 months off, it was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. I am nearing the light at the end of the tunnel. I get minor symptoms now. You will get through this!!!

Everyday that passes is one day closer to being healed :)

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29 minutes ago, Hanna72 said:


Is withdrawals a symptom that the body is healing itself ?

 
Yes, as explained in the following paragraph:,
 
When we take psychiatric medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.  

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@Cocopuffz17 Thank you for the encouragement, I really need it now. Been hit with terrible withdrawals, just over it already. 
I will print in my head that this is due to my body healing itself. 
Wow you are 13 months free, great job, I will get there to, I am just so angry and frustrated. I don’t have any windows 😔 and feeling sick all the time. I just want to feel better already.

 

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5 minutes ago, Hanna72 said:

@Cocopuffz17 Thank you for the encouragement, I really need it now. Been hit with terrible withdrawals, just over it already. 
I will print in my head that this is due to my body healing itself. 
Wow you are 13 months free, great job, I will get there to, I am just so angry and frustrated. I don’t have any windows 😔 and feeling sick all the time. I just want to feel better already.

 

It will come. The biggest thing for me was nutritional changes. I needed to change the food I put in my body. I know for a fact without doing that  I would of not been able to get off this medication. Every time I slip from the foods I am suppose to eat I feel like garbage again. 

 

Yes, you will get there! 

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@Gridley I feel better knowing that it’s actually healing that’s going on, now I can tell myself that these symptoms have to come for me to get better. 

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Hi everyone 

I just wanted to share with you that I am OFF Prozac. 💪

Day 5 today, and I am feeling ok.

It has been a 15 month ride for me, 

and I could not have done it with out this forum, it’s been my lifesaver, THANK YOU 🙏 

What has helped me the most is that I have changed my life style a lot, still working on my nutrition, cause I know I can do a better job there. For me positive thoughts, determination and faith have played a big role, and when I get scared I tell myself it will pass, and I will get better, there is just no other option. I also don’t put myself in stressful situations, keep my stress levels at minimum by doing so. 

I know I have along road ahead, but I am so thankful for everyday that passes with out these drugs.

 

 

 

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Hey, I am bringing our convo over here as I didn't realize it was on someone else's thread! 

 

@Cocopuffz17 I absolutely couldn’t agree more.

I have also been digging into psychiatry and it’s history, and it’s mind blowing how they have invented hundreds of diagnoses, just few psychiatrists sitting in a meeting, most  of them closely connected to the big pharma  and the insurance companies and voted on diagnoses. 
The first DMS came out in 1952 with listed 102 disorders. The newest one was published in 2013 with staggering 297 disorders🤨

With that said we most all suffer mental illnesses, right!!

I just wish people would research these meds before taking them. Sadly my country Iceland is ne 1 in prescription of AD.

 

Yes, It is absolutely mind blowing and I would wager a vast majority of those diagnoses have no true testing methods to verify it. When one medication doesn't work they start playing musical chairs with the medications. One thing that really stuck out to me was all these new conditions these AD's weren't designed to treat but now the side effects have shown they are capable of helping somewhat. One that I noticed is IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) They use AD's to treat this as it slow gut motility. IBS is essentially chronic diarrhea. BUT what happens to people that don't have IBS and are on these meds..... constipation. They continue to just pump out as many sales as they can. It is really sad. 

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Yes and let’s not forget that serotonin is  mostly created in the gut, and I have always been told I have brain imbalance. 
They find all kinds of “problems” that people experience in life and market drugs to “help” people. 
Life has its ups and downs, and instead of helping people to learn copying skills, we are just put on a pill to numb us. 
It really is a brilliant marketing if you  think about it.

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5 hours ago, Hanna72 said:

Yes and let’s not forget that serotonin is  mostly created in the gut, and I have always been told I have brain imbalance. 
They find all kinds of “problems” that people experience in life and market drugs to “help” people. 
Life has its ups and downs, and instead of helping people to learn copying skills, we are just put on a pill to numb us. 
It really is a brilliant marketing if you  think about it.

 

It actually is. It's messed up though that they put profits over someones life. That is so sad. 

 

That is why so many things in the world are pumped into us claiming they are good. Mostly just big money talking and making the trend without having any actual results. One thing I look back is the use of abestos they constantly said it was safe and no harm to humans. It is now the greatest workplace killer in the world and it was banned for use over 30 years ago in my country. It proves the lengths people will go to make money and compromise another persons health. 

 

Nutrition is the same way. So many commercials say these foods are great for us. Well why are sickness rates skyrocketing for all types of health conditions? One that drives me nuts is the fact we feed grain/corn to animals to fatten them up for slaughter(they are sold by weight so this is great for the profit of the farmer). But we consume these exact same foods as humans and expect them not to fatten us up? DRUM ROLLLL they actually fatten us up to. You can't go far without finding foods that have corn/grains in them. They are also heavy in lectins and these proteins wreak havoc on the human body. 

 

Everyday that passes is one day closer to being healed :) 

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One thing Ilook back is the use of abestos they constantlysaid it was safe and no harm to humans. 
Hmmm didn’t know about that one😮

One that drives menuts is the fact we feed grain/corn to animals to fatten them up for slaughter(they are sold by weight so this is great for the profit of the farmer). But we consume these exact same foods as humans and expect them not to fatten us up? DRUM ROLLLL they actually fatten us up to. You can't go far without finding foods that have corn/grains in them. They are also heavy in lectins and these proteins wreak havoc on the human body. 

That’s really messed up. I have been watching a film called “food matters “ since you gave me these informations, and that is absolutely right, I hadn’t thought about that one. 
Another thing is that it’s hard for us to get vitamins and nutritions from food today, because of all the chemicals they spray on the food and as you mentioned... feeding the animals this crab. 
The supplement and vitamin companies must be making lots of money there, since we are nutrition deprived 🤨

Endless circle. 
Thank God for the internet I have to say in this regard. 

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9 Days OFF Prozac, and almost three months off Paxil ( did a bridge) 

Been having all kinds of withdrawal symptoms, but I can manage them and I know it will pass. 
The worst of the is I have been hit with insomnia. 
So my question is, I have 25 mg quetipine pills, and I also have 15mg oxazepam. I have used the quetipine one time in my 15 months withdrawal, and the oxazepam 4 times. I hate using them, but do you recommend me using either one in emergencies like now with few days of hardly any sleep, or should I not use them at all?

 

 

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Gridley
6 hours ago, Hanna72 said:

should I not use them at all?

 

I would recommend that you not use them.  

 

Here are some sleep tips.

 

Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia

 

Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis

 

Tricks and tips to fall asleep faster

 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/16/tips-tricks-fall-asleep-faster.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20170216Z1&et_cid=DM133787&et_rid=1889748952

 

This link contains helpful information, including insomnia and also non-drug coping skills.  

 

Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems

 

Some members have found Melatonin helpful with insomnia.   

 

Melatonin for sleep 

 

It's best to start at a very low dosage, such as .25mg, and gradually increase if needed to the lowest effective dose.  

 

Apace, one of our moderators, wrote the following letter to a member about withdrawal and sleep, which I hope you'll find helpful.

 

 

As he has said, and I must echo, there is, unfortunately, no "silver bullet" to withdrawal or any of its symptoms, including insomnia.  If there were, SA would be a much smaller site than it is at this point.  Sadly, it continues to grow as more and more people get caught in the psychiatric medication "web."

 

As Gridley said and you by now clearly understand, insomnia and disordered sleeping is a hallmark of psychiatric medication withdrawal.  It starts earlier than that with many studies making it clear that SSRIs (and other psych meds) frequently suppress REM sleep for those who take the meds.  https://www.sleepio.com/articles/sleep-aids/antidepressants-and-sleep/  Given this as a backdrop, it should be no surprise that coming off the meds can wreak havoc on sleep.  The good news, however, is that the brain works hard to achieve homeostasis and, all other things being equal, the brain will return to a place where sleep becomes, as it should be, a matter of routine.  How long that takes for any one person is impossible to predict.  Having "only" been on an SSRI for 2 years is a positive fact in your recovery, as there are plenty who were on 5-10x longer than that who have healed their lives and their sleep successfully.  But there is no easy formula to apply.  If I could tell you that being on the meds 2 years meant X months of recovery I'd gladly tell you that.  It just doesn't work like that.  It should be a positive and mean a shorter recovery, but there is no certainty.

 

So, what do you do?  In no particular order, some of the things to try:

 

  • Don't place too much significance on sleep.  Rest should be the key and when your body absolutely needs to sleep it will.  The anxiety that comes with lying awake and saying "I must sleep" is far worse than the not sleeping.  It's hard but it can be done.
  • Try a journaling practice before bed -- get out the things that are on your mind and add 3 things you are grateful for from the day
  • Get a sleep ritual in place so that you do the same thing day after day and start to repair your circadian rhythms
  • Take a warm bath with epsom salts few hours before bedtime and add in a cup of chamomile tea
  • Use lavender essential oils in a diffuser at bedtime
  • Exercise early in the day so that you aren't activated near bedtime
  • Get outside and get some sunlight early in the day so that your rhythms are reestablished
  • Make sure you have a consistent bedtime 
  • Try not to be too activated in the couple of hours before bed and, of course, no caffeine
  • Add a meditation practice
  • Try yoga
  • Go for walks in nature
Most insomnia is the result of the body being "hyperstimulated."  It is very hard to calm down an overstimulated body, especially when it is the result of chemical cascades that come as a result of medication use and withdrawal.  But, it can be done to a certain degree and the skills learned will provide valuable as your body improves over time.  

 

From my own perspective, my sleep is still not great, but it it better than it was.  I went through many stretches of 2 or 3 days with zero or an hour or two a night of sleep.  At this point, I have the occasional sleepless night, but most nights I'm good for at least 5 and usually closer to 6 hours.  By "normal" people standards that's not great, but it feels pretty good when compared to 0 or 2-3 hours a night.  As the saying goes, "in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king!"

 

Try not to let it become the dominant factor in your life.  Over time, it will get better and you will heal.  Just do your best to continue to live your life what your brain is repairing itself.

 

l

 

 

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@Gridley great information, thank you so much, I will push on through💪

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So 2 weeks off my antidepressant.

I am hit with a lot of anxiety. Not necessarily wd, I think that the world is opening up for me. Now I really need to learn new coping skills, it’s really hard. I have so many emotions, no longer numb. I feel so vulnerable. 
I am doing a lot of new things, for example I have never been on social media. And I just opened up a fb account, sounds so stupid but it is super hard for me. So exposed😔 just can’t stop crying. I feel so weak

 

 

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