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26 minutes ago, Orbet said:

Anyway, there’s at least one psychiatrist who thinks the vaccine could cause psych symptoms, for whatever that’s worth.

 

There doesn't seem to be anything there that seems "like a nut" or conspiratorial to Me.

There are a lot of scary reports from these shots.

 

The question is which set of doctors and researchers to believe and why.

 

I would say the Covid death count is probably under reported. 

One is only "officially" a Covid death if one dies while "actively infected".

 

So if You had Covid in April and died of heart failure in August from the damage the virus did to Your heart You are NOT considered a Covid death.  This was something they saw as far back as last August. The number of people dying of the mortal effects of Covid months after infection. The other issue is the number of Covid "Long Haulers". The death rate of 99.5 is a non issue if 10% of the infected are still out of work 6 months later.

 

On the other hand, are these shots really all that helpful as governments want people to beleive? The fact that these shots really aren't 95 % in reducing infection but in reducing symptomatic infection is not an insignificant issue.  They also don't prevent a person from passing it on. 

 

Stats now seem to suggest that 6,000 people must be vaccinated in order to prevent 1 serious case.

The debate then becomes:  "Is that worth it?", considering the side effects and the number of people dying within 3 days of the second shot.  In many places where mass vaccinations took place in countries their was a spike in deaths shortly afterwards.  We also don't know the long term effects of all these cases of heart inflammation, etc., and how many people had-have heart issues without realizing it.

Drugs like the hydro do seem to do well in many countries but in many of these places they are not areas where people have obesity or dosed up on a lot of other medications, so it's hard to know where there Hydro and the Ivermectin are a good bet.

 

So while I agree the dangers or covid are more than some want to admit, these shots seem to be just as risky in many ways for certain classes. So I guess, to Me, it's disconcerting to Me that when one raises the alarm on these issues they are labeled as being down the rabbit trail or a conspiracy nut.  But I guess I felt "lied to" right out of the gate when they touted, what to me seems a ridiculously high rate of 95% efficacy when in all of history we've never gotten higher than 45% for flue shots.

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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2 minutes ago, Colonial said:

 

There doesn't seem to be anything there that seems "like a nut" or conspiratorial to Me.

There are a lot of scary reports from these shots.

 

The question is which set of doctors and researchers to believe and why.

 

I would say the Covid death count is probably under reported. 

One is only "officially" a Covid death if one dies while "actively infected".

 

So if You had Covid in April and died of heart failure in August from the damage the virus did to Your heart You are NOT considered a Covid death.  This was something they saw as far back as last August. The number of people dying of the mortal effects of Covid months after infection. The other issue is the number of Covid "Long Haulers". The death rate of 99.5 is a non issue if 10% of the infected are still out of work 6 months later.

 

On the other hand, are these shots really all that helpful as governments want people to beleive? The fact that these shots really aren't 95 % in reducing infection but in reducing symptomatic infection is not an insignificant issue.  They also don't prevent a person from passing it on. 

 

Stats now seem to suggest that 6,000 people must be vaccinated in order to prevent 1 serious case.

The debate then becomes:  "Is that worth it?", considering the side effects and the number of people dying within 3 days of the second shot.  In many places where mass vaccinations took place in countries their was a spike in deaths shortly afterwards.  We also don't know the long term effects of all these cases of heart inflammation, etc., and how many people had-have heart issues without realizing it.

Drugs like the hydro do seem to do well in many countries but in many of these places they are not areas where people have obesity or dosed up on a lot of other medications, so it's hard to know where there Hydro and the Ivermectin are a good bet.

 

So while I agree the dangers or covid are more than some want to admit, these shots seem to be just as risky in many ways for certain classes. So I guess, to Me, it's disconcerting to Me that when one raises the alarm on these issues they are labeled as being down the rabbit trail or a conspiracy nut.  But I guess I felt "lied to" right out of the gate when they touted, what to me seems a ridiculously high rate of 95% efficacy when in all of history we've never gotten higher than 45% for flue shots.

 Our thinking is not that different.  Who to believe?  I really don’t much like this doctor.  It just stuck me strange that he took up our entire visit with this stuff.  And again, if it was the vaccine, what can I do about it?

 

Introduction: Orbet: First post

on numerous psych meds going back to 2003

2020 sertaline for a few months, tried latuda for about a week, ct sertaline over concerns about serotonin syndrome

seroquel 100 and trazodone 50 continuing through 

2021 April seroquel increased to 200 mg, Trazodone increased to 100 mg,  a few days latuda before I stopped taking it.also, took low doses of haldol left over from an old script ending in April. May 2021

Doctor cut seroquel from 200 mg to 100 mg

trazodone raised from 100 mg to 150 mg

became suicidal, hospitalized for 6th time in two years

tried on vraylar, 2 days, haldol, 3 days, sent home, took latuda a couple of days,put on Prozac but stopped after two days due to heightened anxiety. Currently on: seroquel 100 mg, trazodone 150 mg, and Benadryl 50 mg at 12:00 am nightly, and hydroxyzine 100 mg x 3 I only take twice daily at 12:00 Pm and 6 pm.

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Just now, Orbet said:

 Our thinking is not that different.  Who to believe?  I really don’t much like this doctor.  It just stuck me strange that he took up our entire visit with this stuff.  And again, if it was the vaccine, what can I do about it?

This 

 

1 minute ago, Orbet said:

 Our thinking is not that different.  Who to believe?  I really don’t much like this doctor.  It just stuck me strange that he took up our entire visit with this stuff.  And again, if it was the vaccine, what can I do about it?

This is the kind of thing that sends my paranoia through the roof.  I want to somehow claw the vaccine out of my body.  I’m so scared these effects are permanent, but I know that at least some of it has to be due to meds.  I was afraid of making people think I was a nut and probably went to far the other way.

 

Introduction: Orbet: First post

on numerous psych meds going back to 2003

2020 sertaline for a few months, tried latuda for about a week, ct sertaline over concerns about serotonin syndrome

seroquel 100 and trazodone 50 continuing through 

2021 April seroquel increased to 200 mg, Trazodone increased to 100 mg,  a few days latuda before I stopped taking it.also, took low doses of haldol left over from an old script ending in April. May 2021

Doctor cut seroquel from 200 mg to 100 mg

trazodone raised from 100 mg to 150 mg

became suicidal, hospitalized for 6th time in two years

tried on vraylar, 2 days, haldol, 3 days, sent home, took latuda a couple of days,put on Prozac but stopped after two days due to heightened anxiety. Currently on: seroquel 100 mg, trazodone 150 mg, and Benadryl 50 mg at 12:00 am nightly, and hydroxyzine 100 mg x 3 I only take twice daily at 12:00 Pm and 6 pm.

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11 hours ago, Orbet said:

This is the kind of thing that sends my paranoia through the roof.  I want to somehow claw the vaccine out of my body.  I’m so scared these effects are permanent, but I know that at least some of it has to be due to meds.  I was afraid of making people think I was a nut and probably went to far the other way.

 

Orbet, your psychiatrist may have been trying to gaslight you into believing the vaccine is causing all your symptoms to cover up the damage that he's done to you and his other patients with psychiatric drugs. It may not even be intentional on the psychiatrist's part, but before getting caught up in the hype behind the "vaccines are dangerous" narrative, I would consider your psychiatrist's motivations and what he gains by spreading this narrative. 

 

Also, it's really inappropriate for a psychiatrist to speak as an authority on this topic - he's a psychiatrist, not an immunologist. You may want to thank him for his information, but when it comes to COVID and the vaccine, you prefer to get your information from immunology. 

 

Now that you're vaccinated, you may want to spend time with the articles about how well the vaccine is working in keeping us safe from getting COVID. Or simply avoid the media on this altogether and work instead on developing non-drug coping skills, going for walks in nature, finding a new hobby, etc. Focusing on the vaccine at this point doesn't make sense, since you already have gotten it. So have I and numerous other members. Enjoy the freedoms that open up for you because you have been vaccinated. There are so many people suffering in other countries where the vaccine isn't available. Gratitude is a great emotion to cultivate during this process. 

 

If this doctor is your only option for obtaining your psychiatric drugs for your taper, simply nod in agreement, knowing the only reason you're seeing this doctor is to get your prescriptions to taper off, regardless of his opinions on the COVID vaccine. 

 

Part of the process of coming off these drugs is learning how to navigate the healthcare field and get what you need from it so you can heal and move on. 

 

I've posted some information for you here in your Introduction thread for talking to doctors and finding a new one, if necessary.  Let's continue to discuss your situation over there. 

 

 

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Great post, Shep.  100% spot on.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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16 hours ago, Orbet said:

As far as the vaccine goes, I’m stuck with it.  I’m trying to find whatever information I can as to whether other people have experienced psych symptoms they relate to it and hopefully whether anything can be done about it, which I doubt.


I'm not sure if the following will help or not, but I definitely recall seeing setbacks (and recoveries) over the years on SA from antibiotics. It's a wild guess, but maybe, if there's been a vaccine setback, then it will shake out like other people's antibiotic setbacks, which resolved.

 

*I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience
**Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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This publication seems to group the majority of vaccine events as falling in one of the 3 main groups:

Cardiovascular, neurological or immunological.

 

Most of the reports I have run into have the Pfizer as double the reported events in each category over the Moderna, leading the moderna to seem to be the "safer" of the 2, but no categorical standings yet as applied to the Johnson since it is not out as long as the other 2 to give a reliable "case per 10,000" category. 

 

Science-Public-Health-Policy-and-the-Law_mRNA-Vaccines-Caused-Deaths-and-Injuries.pdf (covidcalltohumanity.org)

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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10 hours ago, GVR91 said:

i can't read all posts.

Is it safe to take the vaccin when in WD or not?

 

As Wigglet says, any drug like an anti-biotic or medical treatment can in theory produce a temporary wave, but I have not personally seen anything to indicate that psychological symptoms are a primary source of complaints.

 

They do seem to fall under Cardiovascular, neurological or immunological.

 

 

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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Just now, GVR91 said:

thanks a lot @Colonial , I have neurological symptoms so i pass. Maybe in the future. I'm too hesitant

 

 

 

I had a lot of neurological symptoms from my Wellbutrin wd that I still get every autumn, too.

 

But I had a heart attack at 19 from anaphylaxis and such an over the top reaction to a flu vaccine about 22 years ago pre wd that I ended up hospitalized within 10 days for a week with non flu-non viral pneumonia I was told never get another flu shot again, so I decided out of the gate to pass as well.

 

If it was something that would GUARANTEE Me not getting Covid I would have considered it but, since it doesn't and because of the issues surrounding this sort of gene therapy nd the reactions people are having I've decided against it. I read somewhere today there's still a 12% chance of getting this delta variant.

 

I'm still open to an actual vaccine in the traditional sense in future if one becomes available even though I was warned never to get a flu shot again, as this is something  more dangerous but I guess I will just have to wait and see what comes on the market.

 

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

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20 hours ago, GVR91 said:

i can't read all posts.

Is it safe to take the vaccin when in WD or not?

 

thanks a lot :)

Have you had a flu shot while in WD?

That could be a baseline to help you judge.

Overwhelmingly seems like people here have had no issues.

Some instances of anxiety induced waves over nervousness in getting vaccine and a few people who believe the vaccine put them in a wave.

Fortunately responses have been very positive as for many the vaccine provides a benefit against a risk of getting Covid.

I was nervous getting mine as I have battled hypersensitivity throughout my withdrawal.  Other than mild flu symptoms that went away after a couple days I had no other side effects.

40 yo Male. Started Paxil about 15 years ago. 10 mg (pill weight .125 - .129 g). 5 yrs wanted less side effects, doctor took me off Paxil over couple week period and put me on Wellbutrin. Not good. Went back on Paxil. Relieved my symptoms, but didn't work as well and more side effects. Severe reaction between Paxil and Zomig Summer of 2012. Head was affected during warmer days (cloudiness, confusion, pressure). Began 10% withdrawal 10/24/12.

Withdrawel helped many symptoms, but also added side effects: nausea, dizziness, tiredness. Hyper-anxiety started January 2014.

Went through a 2 year period of de-realization (2016-2018).  Rarely any windows.  
Current dose: 0.00 as of 4/10/21.  Made a lot of progress in my withdrawal symptoms the last 2 years of my taper.  I think doing a liquid taper helped stabilize things on the lower doses.  A lot of my symptoms have reduced significantly.  Hoping for even more improvement now that I am off.
My thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8909-rusty1-paxil-withdrawal-help-and-advice-welcome/#entry150222

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This publication seems to group the majority of vaccine events as falling in one of the 3 main groups:

Cardiovascular, neurological or immunological.

 

Most of the reports I have run into have the Pfizer as double the reported events in each category over the Moderna, leading the moderna to seem to be the "safer" of the 2, but no categorical standings yet as applied to the Johnson since it is not out as long as the other 2 to give a reliable "case per 10,000" category. 

 

Science-Public-Health-Policy-and-the-Law_mRNA-Vaccines-Caused-Deaths-and-Injuries.pdf (covidcalltohumanity.org)

I wonder what exactly is meant by neurological effects.

 

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on numerous psych meds going back to 2003

2020 sertaline for a few months, tried latuda for about a week, ct sertaline over concerns about serotonin syndrome

seroquel 100 and trazodone 50 continuing through 

2021 April seroquel increased to 200 mg, Trazodone increased to 100 mg,  a few days latuda before I stopped taking it.also, took low doses of haldol left over from an old script ending in April. May 2021

Doctor cut seroquel from 200 mg to 100 mg

trazodone raised from 100 mg to 150 mg

became suicidal, hospitalized for 6th time in two years

tried on vraylar, 2 days, haldol, 3 days, sent home, took latuda a couple of days,put on Prozac but stopped after two days due to heightened anxiety. Currently on: seroquel 100 mg, trazodone 150 mg, and Benadryl 50 mg at 12:00 am nightly, and hydroxyzine 100 mg x 3 I only take twice daily at 12:00 Pm and 6 pm.

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47 minutes ago, GVR91 said:

Thank you @Rusty1 yeah it could also be anxiety/nervousness. But it's a good sign that most people have good results.

I didn't have a flu shot.

 

So i will doubt for a while and then make my decision (i'm 30years old)

You know your body and symptoms best, so definitely do what is right for you. 

It is heartening to hear that most people have no major interaction with withdrawal, but it isn't 100%, so of course do your comfort level.

If you do decide to get the vaccine, try not to worry about it too much as odds are your anxiety and normal vaccine symptoms will be worse than an interaction with your withdrawal.

 

I was not experiencing the symptom level you were as I have hit a very good window of recovery.  I did however do a drop right before my 1st dose and my only side effects was a sore arm and minor flu like symptoms that went away after a couple days.  About 10 days before my 2nd dose I decided to continue my tapering plan and actually made the jump to 0. When I got my 2nd dose I had a sore arm and more intense flu like symptoms than first dose.  All standard Covid vaccine symptoms explained by the nurse before I got the shot.  I did not have any perceptible symptoms from my withdrawal and the vaccine.

Fortunately I went in with pretty low anxiety.  I was more excited to get the vaccine and have some protection than I was worried about any interaction.  I attributed my good mental state because I have been in a window.  Had I been in a wave I probably would have been understandably more anxious.

Finally, I will add that I did receive a flu vaccine and I believe a tetanus shot when I was in a horrendous wave and did not experience any increase in symptoms.  This was at a time when even taking Vitamin D would send my symptoms off the charts.

 

Best of luck, the right decision is the one you are comfortable with.

40 yo Male. Started Paxil about 15 years ago. 10 mg (pill weight .125 - .129 g). 5 yrs wanted less side effects, doctor took me off Paxil over couple week period and put me on Wellbutrin. Not good. Went back on Paxil. Relieved my symptoms, but didn't work as well and more side effects. Severe reaction between Paxil and Zomig Summer of 2012. Head was affected during warmer days (cloudiness, confusion, pressure). Began 10% withdrawal 10/24/12.

Withdrawel helped many symptoms, but also added side effects: nausea, dizziness, tiredness. Hyper-anxiety started January 2014.

Went through a 2 year period of de-realization (2016-2018).  Rarely any windows.  
Current dose: 0.00 as of 4/10/21.  Made a lot of progress in my withdrawal symptoms the last 2 years of my taper.  I think doing a liquid taper helped stabilize things on the lower doses.  A lot of my symptoms have reduced significantly.  Hoping for even more improvement now that I am off.
My thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8909-rusty1-paxil-withdrawal-help-and-advice-welcome/#entry150222

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On 7/1/2021 at 4:32 AM, GVR91 said:

i can't read all posts.

Is it safe to take the vaccin when in WD or not?

 

thanks a lot :)

Here's what David Healy says as of 15-May-2021

from comments:  https://rxisk.org/report-covid-vaccine-effects-to-rxisk/

 

 
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At the moment there is no evidence that Vaccines make PWS worse

 

 

"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


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The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

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I had two Pfizer shots three weeks apart.

 

The first one I got a stiff neck and was fatigued overnight and the next day but nothing too bad.

 

Second one I had minor swelling at the injection site, allergic, but went down and was ok for the rest of the day. Next day more stiff neck, fluey symptoms overnight and muscle tension in my back that didn't let go for a week.

 

So minor discomfort and annoyance, but overall having this feels a bit like a winning lotto ticket on a planet of 7 billion people.

 

I did get a mean flu 10 days after the second shot, and I'm pretty sure I know who from, but I would take care to feed my immune system really healthy food for a few weeks after (which I was doing) and lay off the booze and whatever else might kick your immune system around a bit (oopsy :-) )

 

Yes I'd get the shots again in a flash.  YMMV as always.

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own.  

Please do not seek tapering support via private message - "Any reason to hold is a good one"

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

Backdrop:  2003 10mg olanzapine | 2004 2-3mg risperidone | end 2014 3wks aripiprazole

2015: olanzapine  10 -> 7½ -> 6⅔ -> 5mg  by crude pill cutter

2018:  Mar 5.00mg -> water titrated taper -> Aug2.5mg tablet and hold

Jan 2019 2.50mg water titration -> Jan 2020 1.214  -> Jan 2021 0.44 -> 2 Oct 0.205 ->3 Oct ZERO🥂

Jun 2023 💉150mg paliperidone "loading" depot shot, 100mg 1wk after Jul 100mg Aug-Dec 75mg/4wks

Jul 2023 2.50mg aripiprazole/day attempt to lower prolactin^

Jan-Feb 2024 cross taper off shots to 1mg risperidone

 

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On 6/25/2021 at 2:02 AM, WiggleIt said:


Hi @UnfoldingSky! I've been gone for a long time but am back and have similar questions to yours. I, too, wonder about TD and the COVID vaccine. 

I hope you're well ❤️

 

Hey Wiggle!  How've you been?  I hope you're doing well too!

 

I think I may defer possibly trying the vaccine until fall.  We now have a low case count here and I am hoping we may have a better sense of possible risks for our group by then.  I don't get out much as it is so my chances of getting it are pretty low. If for some reason I do get it before then I will post what happens.
 

I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions.

 

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I did some research looking to see if I could find any medical citations about the vaccines causing akathisia or tardive dyskinesia to get worse/recur.  So far I haven't found any suggestions that the vaccines will make tardive dyskinesia worse, or cause it to come back. 

 

I did however find this one case report, of a case of transient akathisia which arose after the second shot. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8178529/

 

I am not posting this to try to sway anyone in any particular direction as one case report doesn't mean much, and the person's case of akathisia lasted only a day (not to minimize what they went through.)  It also says they were on Zoloft, the authors claim they hadn't messed with the dose at all too.  So, seemingly, not someone who was in psych drug withdrawal (although possibly they had been through one or many psych drug withdrawals before, I doubt they would have screened for those, but who knows.)  Maybe an interaction?  It seems doubtful to me that the vaccine alone would cause akathisia.

 

 

 

 

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I got my 1st Pfizer yesterday. I have pain in my injection side. And my anxiety was bad yesterday and today I have preassure in my head but it's because of anxiety I was very anxious yesterday before my injection and after it because of side effects that I am gonna die and etc. No fever sleep was like always. 

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2nd Pfizer jab -

 

pain around injection site, some mild in comparison to how I feel in a wave fatigue and aching muscles 

 

 

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March 2021-March 2022- remove 1 bead Cymbalta per month-6 weeks - switch to Testogel 50mg then back to Enatate 0.4ml
March 2022 - Switch to Nebido 1000mg (every 12 weeks) - 2 beads Cymbalta (0.3mg)

April 2022 - 1 bead Cymbalta (0.15mg)

May 18th 2022 - 0 Beads (0.00mg) - 100% PSYCH DRUG FREE!
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Got 1st moderna vaccine on the 14th. The next day had several crying spells and felt quite depressed. That passed after a day or so but I have been much more tired ever since.

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31 minutes ago, KMart95 said:

Got 1st moderna vaccine on the 14th. The next day had several crying spells and felt quite depressed. That passed after a day or so but I have been much more tired ever since.

 

I'd expect that as your immune system gets busy responding to the vaccine and building antibodies.  I tried to eat super healthy for a while after my shots.  Please let us know if your energy levels don't recover before long.

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own.  

Please do not seek tapering support via private message - "Any reason to hold is a good one"

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

Backdrop:  2003 10mg olanzapine | 2004 2-3mg risperidone | end 2014 3wks aripiprazole

2015: olanzapine  10 -> 7½ -> 6⅔ -> 5mg  by crude pill cutter

2018:  Mar 5.00mg -> water titrated taper -> Aug2.5mg tablet and hold

Jan 2019 2.50mg water titration -> Jan 2020 1.214  -> Jan 2021 0.44 -> 2 Oct 0.205 ->3 Oct ZERO🥂

Jun 2023 💉150mg paliperidone "loading" depot shot, 100mg 1wk after Jul 100mg Aug-Dec 75mg/4wks

Jul 2023 2.50mg aripiprazole/day attempt to lower prolactin^

Jan-Feb 2024 cross taper off shots to 1mg risperidone

 

Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you"  -- KMFDM

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Folks, this site is a NO ANTI-VACCINATION ZONE. 

 

Any anti-vax information will be hidden. Please save us the trouble and do not post it.

 

If you want to find it, go out on the Web and look for it.

 

From what I see, covid-19 vaccine adverse effect information is NOT being hidden at all. Unlike most drug post-marketing surveillance, regulatory agencies all over the world are watching it like hawks, and reporting significant case series as they appear.

 

The case series are, for example, 8 cases of X in Israel. This indicates an adverse reaction that's possible, but not common, among hundreds of thousands or millions of vaccinations. If appropriate, warnings of the adverse reactions for specific subgroups of people are sent out to all medical providers.

 

No one is denying that there are adverse reactions to the covid-19 vaccines, or any vaccines. However, adverse reactions to covid-19 vaccines are truly rare, while covid-19 infection is considerably less rare. 

 

Understandably, people sensitized by withdrawal are afraid of getting adverse reactions from anything. We have people here who have suffered terribly from covid-19 infection, for a very long time, on top of withdrawal. In my opinion, the consequences of getting even a mild case of covid-19 would be so horrible for someone already sensitized by drug adverse reactions, the protection of the vaccine is worth the very low risk. 

 

It would be a shame if someone had avoided vaccination while isolating for many months throughout the main wave of covid-19 only to get a case of the delta variant, now that people, many having been vaccinated, are re-engaging in normal social activities.
 
While many symptoms of long covid seem to overlap with withdrawal syndrome, we have nothing to offer in the way of advice for recovery from them, so we cannot help there.

 

After being bitten by conventional medical knowledge, we're all wary of it, but I am concerned that suspicion of the covid-19 vaccine might be fostered here way out of proportion to the dangers. This is not the venue for arguments about the vaccines.

 

If you are not in a particularly vulnerable group, get vaccinated. You don't want covid-19 on top of your other troubles.

 

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Folks, this site is a NO ANTI-VACCINATION ZONE. 

 

Any anti-vax information will be hidden. Please save us the trouble and do not post it.

 

If you want to find it, go out on the Web and look for it.

 

From what I see, covid-19 vaccine adverse effect information is NOT being hidden at all. Unlike most drug post-marketing surveillance, regulatory agencies all over the world are watching it like hawks, and reporting significant case series as they appear.

 

The case series are, for example, 8 cases of X in Israel. This indicates an adverse reaction that's possible, but not common, among hundreds of thousands or millions of vaccinations. If appropriate, warnings of the adverse reactions for specific subgroups of people are sent out to all medical providers.

 

No one is denying that there are adverse reactions to the covid-19 vaccines, or any vaccines. However, adverse reactions to covid-19 vaccines are truly rare, while covid-19 infection is considerably less rare. 

 

Understandably, people sensitized by withdrawal are afraid of getting adverse reactions from anything. We have people here who have suffered terribly from covid-19 infection, for a very long time, on top of withdrawal. In my opinion, the consequences of getting even a mild case of covid-19 would be so horrible for someone already sensitized by drug adverse reactions, the protection of the vaccine is worth the very low risk. 

 

It would be a shame if someone had avoided vaccination while isolating for many months throughout the main wave of covid-19 only to get a case of the delta variant, now that people, many having been vaccinated, are re-engaging in normal social activities.
 
While many symptoms of long covid seem to overlap with withdrawal syndrome, we have nothing to offer in the way of advice for recovery from them, so we cannot help there.

 

After being bitten by conventional medical knowledge, we're all wary of it, but I am concerned that suspicion of the covid-19 vaccine might be fostered here way out of proportion to the dangers. This is not the venue for arguments about the vaccines.

 

If you are not in a particularly vulnerable group, get vaccinated. You don't want covid-19 on top of your other troubles.

 

Hi @Altostrata thank you for posting this, i was very close to messaging you when i saw that persons post and i actually got sucked into reading some of the links she posted. I have already been vaccinated so it was un-nerving to read to be honest and its the last thing people on this feed need isnt it. Worrying about more stuff! 

 

The majority of people on this thread have already been vaccinated too, so i cannot imagine that her post was helpful at all to anyone, just scaremongering. The press do a pretty good job of that already! 

 

Thanks for removing the post :) x

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August 2020 - December 2020 Sertraline 50mg (adverse effects)

Dec 2020-Mar 10th 2021 Citalopram 20mg (adverse effects)- STOPPED cold turkey

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11 hours ago, Altostrata said:

If you are not in a particularly vulnerable group, get vaccinated. You don't want covid-19 on top of your other troubles.

As Governor Cuomo of New York has said many times, a known side effect of COVID is death.  My wife and I were vaccinated and the side effects were no worse than with a flu or tetanus shot.  As someone with OCD, GAD and issues with health anxiety, I think I can say there has been so much publicity about real and perceived side effects of the vaccine, people like us almost expect to have some kind of adverse reactions.  I'm glad I got the shot--having COVID on top of my behavioral issues and actual physical ailments (my age is starting to catch up with me) would truly be awful.

Tim C

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Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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As asked by Shep, I'm posting my experience of covid-19 vaccine (Moderna) while tapering. I had my second dose of Moderna about four days after reducing my mirtazapine dose by 10%. I experienced high fever, muscle aches, nausea and heart palpitations. However, all of these symptoms resolved in about three days and overall, I don't feel that my taper was affected. 

 

Best wishes to everyone

 

Marija

Not sure of all dates and times

2008 as a teenager I took Haloperidol, diazepam and citalopram. Weird cocktail of drugs from a WEIRD psychiatrist for no reason. Stopped after 3 days. No WD symptoms.

2015 quetiapine for about a month and then stopped and citalopram for about a week and then stopped. No WD symptoms at all.

2018 15mg mirtazapine. The full dose taken only once or twice. Then 7.5mg as and when required (not every night) for about 3 months. Reduced further to approx 3.25mg and carried on taking them every now and then (anywhere between once a week and every night for a couple of weeks). Never consistently though. 

7th Dec 2021 tried to stop taking it completely - cold turkey. Severe insomnia (several 0 hour nights), panic. Had no idea it was WD. Was determined to stop still. Was prescribed lorazepam 1mg before bed. Took it 6 times over 3 weeks for sleep and anxiety, it helped. Discontinued.

20th Dec, 2021 one 25mg tablet of trazadone as advised by GP to manage insomnia - didn't agree with it, stopped. Severe insomnia and anxiety again.

5th Jan, 2021 started 3.25mg mirtazapine again out of desperation due to insomnia. Took it approx every 3-4 days. With a two week period where I took it every day.

09/02/2021 last dose of mirtazapine approx 3.25mg on before stopping cold turkey again. Not coping. Total insomnia, anxiety, panic.

19/02/2021 discovered SA and reinstated 0.5mg and took 2mg lorazepam that same day as in crisis at that point.

06/03/21 took 2mg lorazepam as in crisis again due to insomnia and updosed to 0.75mg mirtazapine

09/05/21 took 2mg lorazepam as in crisis again due to sudden onset of insomnia AGAIN and updosed to 2.5mg. Other WD symptoms under control on 2.5mg, doing well but then BAM sudden onset of insomnia again after about 2 weeks on 2.5mg

27/05/2021 down to 2mg

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Hi everyone, I hope you all are doing well. 

 

I am getting a Hepatitis B vaccine and a covid vaccine (7 days apart) to be able to go to university and practice during placements (I feel pressured to do that because of university and I honestly don't want to get anything). 

 

I am 15 months post adverse reaction with no significant waves or windows (feels like a stable permenant state). I want to hear opinions, is there a possibility I will get worse for a period of time/long term effects because of my body's immune response?

 

Is there a way to avoid this? 

2nd of April 2020 - 7th of April 2020 Sertraline 50 mg (adverse reaction).

 

2nd of August 2020 Omega 3 fish oil 1000mg (currently on).

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On 7/10/2021 at 7:34 PM, UnfoldingSky said:

I did some research looking to see if I could find any medical citations about the vaccines causing akathisia or tardive dyskinesia to get worse/recur.  So far I haven't found any suggestions that the vaccines will make tardive dyskinesia worse, or cause it to come back. 

 

I did however find this one case report, of a case of transient akathisia which arose after the second shot. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8178529/

 

I am not posting this to try to sway anyone in any particular direction as one case report doesn't mean much, and the person's case of akathisia lasted only a day (not to minimize what they went through.)  It also says they were on Zoloft, the authors claim they hadn't messed with the dose at all too.  So, seemingly, not someone who was in psych drug withdrawal (although possibly they had been through one or many psych drug withdrawals before, I doubt they would have screened for those, but who knows.)  Maybe an interaction?  It seems doubtful to me that the vaccine alone would cause akathisia.

 

 

 

 


Hi @UnfoldingSky!!! Yes, I saw that same case report also of the transient akathisia. I also saw another link in the NIH database where a gentleman developed seizures after his second dose. There is also a woman on social media who has posted videos of herself showing whole-body dystonia after getting her second shot; her experience has very obviously swung her into being completely anti-vaccine, despite having been a nurse before. A lot of people online don’t believe her and are calling her a faker, but I know for a fact that my body has done the same things that her body does in the videos, so I believe her. Hopefully, with time, she will learn again to balance her views of medical care. I know that’s a process I had to go through after my experience with antidepressants; I got so scared of all medicine that I almost threw the baby out with the bathwater, but I re-learned a balanced perspective.

 

i’m still undecided about the vaccine for myself. Thank goodness everyone in my family is vaccinated. I am terrified, absolutely terrified of Covid, especially the Delta variant. But I’m also terrified of reflaring my dystonia, however rare the possibility may be. I’m just still strictly quarantined and praying a lot.

 

If the COVID vaccine somehow did throw me back into WD, I would be willing to deal with all of it again just to be protected from COVID—willing to deal with all of it again except TD, that is. Blah, I know it must be tiring to hear me be so indecisive and repetitive on this thread! Thank you for reading and responding ❤️

*I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience
**Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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On 7/1/2021 at 12:35 AM, GVR91 said:

thanks a lot @Colonial , I have neurological symptoms so i pass. Maybe in the future. I'm too hesitant

 

 

Have you still taken a pass on the COVID vaccine? 

*I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience
**Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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Please do not seek tapering support via private message - "Any reason to hold is a good one"

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

Backdrop:  2003 10mg olanzapine | 2004 2-3mg risperidone | end 2014 3wks aripiprazole

2015: olanzapine  10 -> 7½ -> 6⅔ -> 5mg  by crude pill cutter

2018:  Mar 5.00mg -> water titrated taper -> Aug2.5mg tablet and hold

Jan 2019 2.50mg water titration -> Jan 2020 1.214  -> Jan 2021 0.44 -> 2 Oct 0.205 ->3 Oct ZERO🥂

Jun 2023 💉150mg paliperidone "loading" depot shot, 100mg 1wk after Jul 100mg Aug-Dec 75mg/4wks

Jul 2023 2.50mg aripiprazole/day attempt to lower prolactin^

Jan-Feb 2024 cross taper off shots to 1mg risperidone

 

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@Ibnabuthank you for sharing your experience with the covid vaccine. I have been concerned about side effects. My doctor even agreed that there is uncertainty about how my CNS would respond, so I have chosen to stay unvaccinated; however, I follow the CDC guidelines and wear two masks. I don’t want to cause someone else to be sick and I don’t want to risk getting covid either. 
 

I hope things calm down for you soon.

2002 - 2014, 500mg Keppra 2x’s/day (anti-seizure med)

2003 thru 2004 - 10 mg Remeron

2005ish - Adverse reactions to single doses of Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Lexapro (no long-lasting problems)

2012 - Buspar (overly energized, stopped immediately, no long-lasting problems)

2014 - 1 month taper off of 500mg Keppra (Leviteracitam) - seizure free for 12 years 

2017 - 500mg Leviteracitam (generic keppra) 

2017 - Mid-Dec experienced adverse reaction to Leviteracitam due to different manufacturer. Stopped on Dec 20.

2018 - Jan 1st, 10 mg Fluoxetine (generic prozac) experienced severe adverse reaction after 3 doses and continue to experience issues today. 

2003 - 2018 Ativan, occasionally/rarely
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I definitely experienced some CNS activation from the Pfizer. The day after my second dose, I had a panic attack and severe nausea, but those were my only symptoms. I do feel like I've been a bit more activated for a while, but part of that may be due to some very traumatic news I received about a month after the vaccine. Ultimately, I believe in my body's ability to handle and heal from vaccines AND antidepressants. I respect everyone's personal decisions though. 

Started Zoloft 25 mg Dec. 2009, age 19. Jan. 2010 upped to 50 mg, June 2010 75 mg. March 2015 cut back to 50 mg. August 2015 down to 25 mg. May 2016 stopped cold turkey. Reinstated to 12.5 mg after a month, then 25, Sep. 2016 back to 50 mg. Started a new taper in April 2019, at 10% descrease every 2 weeks. Minimal symptoms: anxiety, dizziness, nocturnal panic attacks every couple of months. Successfully took last dose September 2020.
 
Klonopin, hydroxyzine, and ondansetron for emergency/as-needed (maybe a few times a year)
 
Non-pharmaceuticals: daily magnesium, vitamin D, fish oil, flax oil, probiotics, evening primrose oil, methylated sublingual B-complex, food-based multi-vitamin; As needed GABA, kava-kava, full-spectrum CBD, exercise daily and whole organic foods diet
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I should report that all the symptoms i had caused by the vaccine have disappeared.

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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@Ibnabu Thank you for providing an update. How much time passed before you were back to your normal WD pattern?

2002 - 2014, 500mg Keppra 2x’s/day (anti-seizure med)

2003 thru 2004 - 10 mg Remeron

2005ish - Adverse reactions to single doses of Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Lexapro (no long-lasting problems)

2012 - Buspar (overly energized, stopped immediately, no long-lasting problems)

2014 - 1 month taper off of 500mg Keppra (Leviteracitam) - seizure free for 12 years 

2017 - 500mg Leviteracitam (generic keppra) 

2017 - Mid-Dec experienced adverse reaction to Leviteracitam due to different manufacturer. Stopped on Dec 20.

2018 - Jan 1st, 10 mg Fluoxetine (generic prozac) experienced severe adverse reaction after 3 doses and continue to experience issues today. 

2003 - 2018 Ativan, occasionally/rarely
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@fairygirl Thank you for your post as well.  I’ve been experiencing WD symptoms daily since 2018 after only three doses of fluoxetine. I had a setback in 2020 after a “non-invasive” treatment and just now seem to be back in a pattern of relatively mild symptoms.  I choose to believe that our bodies can heal as well, especially with a positive outlook. ☺️

2002 - 2014, 500mg Keppra 2x’s/day (anti-seizure med)

2003 thru 2004 - 10 mg Remeron

2005ish - Adverse reactions to single doses of Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Lexapro (no long-lasting problems)

2012 - Buspar (overly energized, stopped immediately, no long-lasting problems)

2014 - 1 month taper off of 500mg Keppra (Leviteracitam) - seizure free for 12 years 

2017 - 500mg Leviteracitam (generic keppra) 

2017 - Mid-Dec experienced adverse reaction to Leviteracitam due to different manufacturer. Stopped on Dec 20.

2018 - Jan 1st, 10 mg Fluoxetine (generic prozac) experienced severe adverse reaction after 3 doses and continue to experience issues today. 

2003 - 2018 Ativan, occasionally/rarely
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Anyone have covid during wd ??? I would love some input 

2021:  started celexa 10mg feb 2nd 

feb 25th took my last 10g; feb 26th 5mg; feb 27th 5mg; feb 28th 2021 cold turkey 

currently taking mag

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I would say 2 months

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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@Ibnabu I’m sorry the vaccine created some issues for you, although it sounds like they were somewhat short-lived. Thank you. 

2002 - 2014, 500mg Keppra 2x’s/day (anti-seizure med)

2003 thru 2004 - 10 mg Remeron

2005ish - Adverse reactions to single doses of Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Lexapro (no long-lasting problems)

2012 - Buspar (overly energized, stopped immediately, no long-lasting problems)

2014 - 1 month taper off of 500mg Keppra (Leviteracitam) - seizure free for 12 years 

2017 - 500mg Leviteracitam (generic keppra) 

2017 - Mid-Dec experienced adverse reaction to Leviteracitam due to different manufacturer. Stopped on Dec 20.

2018 - Jan 1st, 10 mg Fluoxetine (generic prozac) experienced severe adverse reaction after 3 doses and continue to experience issues today. 

2003 - 2018 Ativan, occasionally/rarely
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