Coronavirus, covid-19, covid-19 vaccine, & psychiatric drug tapering & withdrawal

[Demi918]

Hi,

I just took my first dose of Pfizer vaccine on 6th March. Only symptom I had was pain at sight of infection for 24 hours. My next dose is on July 6th.

[Kevman2112]

Hello All,

 

I received the JnJ vaccine on April 10th, 2021, right before the CDC recommended the pause on the vaccine.  I am about 3.5 months into a Pristiq taper and my last drop was about 10 days prior to the vaccine to 25mg. 
 

The next day, about 17 hours after the injection I had muscle aches and a bad headache.  About mid day the following day I started to have very frequent brain zaps, about 1 every minute or so and in some cases several back to back.  During my taper, I have had only a handful of brain zaps, maybe 5 total, so this was unusual.  The day after the vaccine I also had some chills and difficulty sleeping.  The following day, day 3 after the vaccine day, I had a few zaps in the morning and then nothing since (now day 4 post vaccine). 
 

Overall, the brain zaps were uncomfortable but tolerable.  Should the vaccine resume again, I would not discourage anyone from getting it based solely on my experience.  It was uncomfortable but temporary.  

[Rosetta]

My husband (who has never taken any psych drugs and takes no medicines on an ongoing basis) had the vaccine on Apr 8.  The first couple of days, we didn’t notice any change.
 

We have been wondering if he had non-symptomatic Covid for a while now.  Every test, even the antibody test, has been negative, but we were in Spain until Jan 3, 2020 and flew home from Madrid on a huge plane full of people.  He has had odd symptoms throughout the last year.  
 

Most recently, he has had headaches every day for about 4-6 months. I wish we had kept track of them.  They are debilitating at times.  If he coughs or sneezes or bends the over, he gets shooting pains in his head, and his headache gets worse.  Every once in a while, the headache goes away, and that is always surprising.

 

Two days before the vaccine, Apr 6, he had an MRI with contrast to search for an aneurysm.  
 

He feels bad every day, so it’s very hard to know what the vaccine or the MRI contrast might have done.
 

On Sat, the 10th, he was in bed with the chills.  Each day since then he has felt quite bad, but he did drive to see his mother yesterday.  
 

We are hoping he doesn’t have an aneurysm, of course, and that maybe if he did have Covid, the vaccine will be helpful to him in the long run.  It was a risk, but we felt it was a good risk.

 

I haven’t had mine yet.  I think I should, but I haven’t had the courage yet.  The thought of having akathisia again is too terrifying.

[Icip]

Hi all,

 

I’m 20 years old (male), and had the AstraZeneca vaccine (1st dose) exactly two weeks ago now, so I’ve not had a blood clot, nor died.

 

I think I had asymptomatic COVID in March 2020 as my ex girlfriend had it, and I’d spent the entire past two weeks with her, though as I said, I showed no symptoms. I’ve also had brushes with covid positive people before and had no symptoms.

 

My reaction to the first dose was horrible, I had every symptom of inoculation. It felt like I was continually waning in + out of consciousness, all over body pains, pain, weakness, sore lymph nodes, swollen face + hot flushes, and a rash on my arms, oh yeah and an awful headache. All of these symptoms lasted 24 hours, almost exactly, then disappeared.

I think my reaction was so bad to my first dose as I might have had covid before, and my age.

 

I felt a little off for a few days as I think it taxed my system a little, though I had no flare up of any of my preexisting symptoms. The ‘oddness’ lasted for just over a week, which I suspect to be lasting inflammation from my immune spike (I’m sensitive to inflammation anyway) but that’s gone now, and I feel as good as I can be.

 

I read at the start of this thread that a few are worried about our immune system being compromised - I’ve not had a single cold since having my adverse reaction, n as I said earlier I’ve probably had covid asymptomatically, and I’ve read on a forum about adverse reactions to another form of psychoactive medication that the medications damage a certain function of the brain that allows virus’ to reproduce? It was a study from a research group looking into the idea, I can’t remember any of the details but it was reputable to say the least

 

I hope this info helps, I’m 100% getting my second dose, for me atleast it can’t be as bad as the first. The feeling of safety, and the sight of a future outweighs any worries that I have.

[Colonial]

On 4/13/2021 at 5:32 PM, Icip said:

my second dose, for me atleast it can’t be as bad as the first

 

It seems to depend on the particular "gene therapy" being used.

For one of them, the 2nd shot is the one designed to be the more "activating" administration.

(It was either the Pfizer or Moderna, as if was an American article discussing the 2 available in the USA).

 

As for the Astra Zeneca, I have not read as must medically but their are some accounts from Ireland about after administration issues.

[sunnysideup69]

Thought I'd update;

Had the first Astra Zeneca on March 19th, felt like crap for four days or so, as if I had the flu....but my mood was okay. Recovered, but the symptoms came back again ten days later, along with a feeling of flatness, no motivation. Called in sick to work, literally could not be bothered at all, no motivation to get out of bed, just felt low.

 

Then three and a half weeks later, felt some of the symptoms again, sore throat, headachey, generally a bit achey plus low mood.

 

Caveat; I'm in a wave this past week which COULD be provoked by the jab, but also likely to be poor diet...had a LOT of sugar over Easter.

 

[sunnysideup69]

Actually beginning to wonder whether the jab has caused some uptick in symptoms, for me. Last two weeks have been feeling a bit pants. Lower baseline. 

Should also say it's been one year anniversary of sibling deaths, and I had a sugar binge at Easter. Of course this could factor in. But have been feeling a bit low, sudden waves of ' depression.' 

[Vonnegutjunky]

Hello everyone. I’m 2 months post Covid recovered, didnt  have vaccine as an option in my state in  I got sick from my grandchild. Well I in a massive bedridden wave now and I do believe it was triggered by this virus as I was mostly healed and working full time. Then I found this article. 
 

I know that chemical imbalance theory is crap, but these meds do affect our neurotransmitters and so may the virus (if you get infected) according to this .

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7598536/

 

 

I wish I would have gotten the vaccine. I hope anyone wondering if they should get the vaccine knows the long term psychological effects of this virus.  

[Frogie]

Had the first Moderna vaccine on Friday, March 25. Felt achy, my arm killed me, headache, and not “right” all weekend. But Sunday night I was fine. Monday morning I was right back to my normal routine.

 

Friday, April 23, second vaccine. I was fine until Saturday morning. Achy arm, headache, just blah. Then Saturday afternoon I had a slight fever so took Tylenol. Went to bed Saturday night. At 3:30 am, I woke with chills and couldn’t stop shaking. My fever had gone up to 102.3. Took more Tylenol and tried to sleep. Sunday morning my fever broke and all I had was an achy arm and headache. Took Tylenol throughout the day for my headache. Went to bed Sunday night, only to be awakened by chills again at 1:00 am. Temperature was 99.4, so took Tylenol and tried to go back to sleep. In an hour my temperature had gone up to 101. I sat up in my recliner with my heating blanket, shaking from chills, headache, my arm still hurting until 5:00 am when I finally fell back to sleep. Slept until 9:00 am. Woke with no fever, but a massive headache. Ate some breakfast and took more Tylenol. Now just sitting in my recliner with my puppy and heated blanket. Hopefully this shall pass soon.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Frogie

[Carolina]

My experience with the Modern covid-19 vaccine was as follows: after the first vaccine, my left arm (where the vaccine was injected) was extremely sore. I suffered no other symptoms.

 

The second vaccine proved more traumatic. I suffered complete insomnia, chills, fever (102), migraines, head pressure, pain and aches in joints and muscles, and nausea. It was extremely painful but I refused to take Tylenol. This lasted around 30-35 hours. All symptoms were gone or reduced after 48 hours. 

 

I was scared as six days prior I had done a drop of the remeron. I was afraid the insomnia was because of the drug taper and felt desperate. Thankfully last night I slept 8 + hours and will continue my taper as planned. I will monitor the insomnia prior to continuing the taper. I would suggest to not taper too close prior to or after receiving the vaccine so as not to have to deal with the ambivalence of two causal variables if symptoms arise. 

 

 

[Superwoman]

On 5/2/2021 at 10:48 AM, Carolina said:

I would suggest to not taper too close prior to or after receiving the vaccine so as not to have to deal with the ambivalence of two causal variables if symptoms arise. 

 

 

I think this is a good idea.  Also, there will be less stress on the body when you get the vaccine.  I stopped my micro taper 1 week before the first vaccine and am holding at this dose until 2 weeks after the second dose.  

[Superwoman]

Phizer dose 1 reactions: sore arm and fatigue lasting 4 days

 

Phizer Dose 2 Reaction:

-sore arm (lasting 3 days)

- chills with no fever lasting 24 hrs 

- fatigue (lasting 3 days)

- headache (lasting 2 days)

-muscle stiffness and aches (lasting few days)

 

* I do not think that the vaccine made the withdrawal symptoms any worse.  I feel relieved and less anxiety about catching the virus since getting the shots.  For me, the vaccine side effects were preferable to the potential complications from catching Corona.  

[Michigan]

After putting it off for ages, I got my Covid jab yesterday. Johnson and Johnson 1-dose version. Within minutes I started feeling a bit off as I waited out the 15 minute observation period. Anxious and light headed and just weird. Could have just been a vagal response. Managed to drive home ok. 
 

One of my worst PAWS symptoms has been debilitating fatigue. It’s been a bit better lately ever since I started eating really clean and just trying to take really good care of myself. 
 

But it hit me hard last night. I was in bed by 830. Sleeping by 9. 
 

Woke up to pretty intense lower back pain. Similar to when I’ve overdone squats with bad form in the gym. I could barely bend over. 
 

Pushed through, drank some coffee, took my son to the park. By mid morning I started feeling over stimulated. It wasn’t the coffee; I drink two cups every morning with no issues. 
 

Got back home and my heart was racing, I felt anxious and lightheaded and a bit giddy in an unpleasant way if that makes any sense. Felt like I needed to pace the floor and just shake out my hands to burn it off. 
 

Anxiety hasn’t been a major WD symptom for me so this was unusual. 
 

Around 1pm, after we put our son down for his nap, the overstimulated feeling faded but was replaced by flu like symptoms. Mostly body aches, chills, and more deep fatigue. 
 

Laid down for a bit. 
 

When I tried to get back up, the lower back pain had intensified to the point that I could barely make it downstairs. 
 

I asked my wife to please take toddler duty the rest of the day, and I’ve basically been in bed ever since. 
 

Hopeful that this will pass in another day or two. 
 

I’ll keep you guys posted. 

[getofflex]

I got the Johnson and Johnson vaccine about 4 days ago.  The only symptom I had was slight soreness at the injection site.  

 

I am having some sleep issues, but I attribute that to being overstimulated by a lot of major changes and events happening in my life.  Anyway I've had sleep issues all my life to a certain extent.  

[Michigan]

On 5/8/2021 at 5:17 PM, Michigan said:

After putting it off for ages, I got my Covid jab yesterday. Johnson and Johnson 1-dose version. Within minutes I started feeling a bit off as I waited out the 15 minute observation period. Anxious and light headed and just weird. Could have just been a vagal response. Managed to drive home ok. 
 

One of my worst PAWS symptoms has been debilitating fatigue. It’s been a bit better lately ever since I started eating really clean and just trying to take really good care of myself. 
 

But it hit me hard last night. I was in bed by 830. Sleeping by 9. 
 

Woke up to pretty intense lower back pain. Similar to when I’ve overdone squats with bad form in the gym. I could barely bend over. 
 

Pushed through, drank some coffee, took my son to the park. By mid morning I started feeling over stimulated. It wasn’t the coffee; I drink two cups every morning with no issues. 
 

Got back home and my heart was racing, I felt anxious and lightheaded and a bit giddy in an unpleasant way if that makes any sense. Felt like I needed to pace the floor and just shake out my hands to burn it off. 
 

Anxiety hasn’t been a major WD symptom for me so this was unusual. 
 

Around 1pm, after we put our son down for his nap, the overstimulated feeling faded but was replaced by flu like symptoms. Mostly body aches, chills, and more deep fatigue. 
 

Laid down for a bit. 
 

When I tried to get back up, the lower back pain had intensified to the point that I could barely make it downstairs. 
 

I asked my wife to please take toddler duty the rest of the day, and I’ve basically been in bed ever since. 
 

Hopeful that this will pass in another day or two. 
 

I’ll keep you guys posted. 

 

It's now Monday, and I think I'm pretty much back to baseline. As I mentioned above, I got the shot on Friday and had some rough symptoms Friday night and all day Saturday. Woke up feeling about 50% better on Sunday. Symptoms were completely gone when I woke up this morning. I was in a window heading into the shot. Felt like I may have been heading into a wave on Saturday when the symptoms were at their worst. Feel like I'm back in the baseline of being in a window that I was in before as of today (Monday morning)

Symptoms:

- Increase in fatigue (36 hours)

- Muscle ache all over my body (24 hours)
- General feeling of malaise like I had the flu (36 hours)

- Mild nausea (24 hours)

- Intense lower back pain (24 hours, but still feeling some mild pain 2.5 days after the shot)

- Mild pain at injection site (48 hours)

 

Knock on wood that there are no further symptoms, but as of now I'm glad I finally got the shot and got it over with. 

[Paxil3days]

I literally took Paxil 3 days , and went CT ( due to severe nausea) the day of my second dose of the covid vaccine (Moderna) .... 4 weeks later severe WD reactions , akathesia, head pressure , windows and waves, every horrible WD symptom out there I felt. 
 

Update: this week I have finally feeling slowly better, now I am fearful of the haunting experience and fear that the vaccine could have interacted with psych meds and caused the adverse reaction. 

Does covid vaccine interact with psych WD symptoms forever ? I am so scared of that.  Does anyone know? 

 

 

[bunchesofoats]

Pfizer first dose:

No symptoms whatsoever for the first 3.5 hours. Then arm began feeling sore and soreness increased rapidly to the point of it being painful to use my arm. At the same time a gentle fatigue set in. Symptoms peaked at around 4.5 hours after dose with arm pain having spread down to top of hand up to shoulder blade with some neck and back muscle tension. Tiny fever. I felt a warm, fuzzy fatigue. It wasn't necessarily uncomfortable, but I couldn't do anything productive. Went to sleep a few hours later, woke up the next morning with no symptoms other than mild lingering injection site soreness which lasted a few days.

 

Pfizer second dose:

Immediately felt all the symptoms I'd felt the first time (injection site pain, warm fatigue) right after injection. Felt ok to drive home, but rapidly got fuzzier and fuzzier until I couldn't do any more work and had to nap. Trouble sleeping and weird dreams that night. Fatigue and general muscle soreness the next day (plus injection site pain). Needed a long nap the next day as well. More weird dreams the next night. Over the next couple of days, fatigue and pain and weird dreams lessened some each day. I did seem to have a resurgence of some WD symptoms after several days (mental more than physical: extreme low motivation). It's been 6 days since 2nd dose now and I think I'm all clear.

 

I made sure to drink lots of water and planned to be less productive after the doses. I also kept my injection arm moving which seemed to help with the soreness the second time around. All in all for me the symptoms were easily tolerable. I didn't notice anything terribly sinister which is significant for me because I have been extremely sensitive to SSRI dosage changes.

[jon1]

1st Pfizer vaccine, no symptoms apart from a sore arm for a day or two.

 

2nd Pfizer dose, sore arm lasted for longer, felt very tired and 'fluey' 3 days later, which passed after about 24 hours.

[Shep]

My experience with the Pfizer vaccine: 

 

Monday, April 12 - first shot

Slept 6 hours, very restful. I had a wonderful window for several days (a lot less DP/DR and better sleep). 

 

The next day, I had a sore arm but no other symptoms. Used regular strength Tylenol at night so my sore arm didn't bother me going to sleep. 

 

_______________________________  

 

May 3 - second - second shot

That night, I had a really bad headache, nausea, fever of 101 F, body aches, fatigue. It was brutal for 2 days. 

 

Used Tylenol for the fever until it dropped under 100 F and then stopped. So 1.5 days of Tylenol. 

Used China Oel for nausea and headache and ginger and peppermint tea for nausea. 

 

Very little sleep the first few nights. 

 

Out of work for 2 days. It took a couple of weeks for this to completely pass, especially the fatigue. But everything has resolved now. 

 

I submitted a report through the Rxisk.org site to report the side effects (Report Covid Vaccine Effects to RxISK).

[Longroadhome]

Second dose of AstraZeneca 18th May. 
sore arm and flu like symptoms for  24 hrs. Sore arm continued for 3 days with a little bruising round injection site.
Neither the first or second vaccination affected WD symptoms.  

[Melany]

I had my first Pfizer shot on 13 of april and got deaf in one ear beside fever chills etc.  Never had an issue with flu vaccines.After cortizon treatment I am left with a moderate deafness and a tinnitus that lasts for more than a month. Its so bad, like having a parking sensor beeping 24 7. Found a fb group and found out I m not alone, we are thousands.

2 3 weeks I was bitten by a cat I was trying to save so I have 6 vaccines ,5 rabies 1 tetanos. With each shot ear is getting worse. I cannot have the second Pfizer shot, wasn t having it anyway even if I am a provaxxer.  My Wd symtoms were ok after the covid vaccine but got worse with the rabies ones. It might be relared or its just my bad luck...that made my symptoms worse.

[Shep]

On 5/23/2021 at 8:50 PM, Shep said:

I submitted a report through the Rxisk.org site to report the side effects (Report Covid Vaccine Effects to RxISK).

 

Just a FYI that if you submit a report through this website, you'll be emailed a report letting you know how likely it is that whatever drug you took caused your symptoms. They use this rating scale:

 

Quote

RxISK score guide:
0 - 4 — Not enough information to confirm a link
5 - 8 — Likely link between medicine and side effect
9 + — Strong possibility of a link between medication and side effect

 

In my case, I received a score of 9, meaning it was a "strong possibility" the vaccine caused the problem. The customized report you receive shows a list with how the rating was done based on the questions you answer. Of course, there are many limitations with this type of reporting, but it allows patients to provide feedback. 

 

Please remember to fill out a report if you experience a side effect. Rxisk.org is not affiliated with Big Pharma and it's an important and unbiased contribution to vaccine (and other drug) safety research. You can do this anonymously. 

[Miracle123]

Hi SA Buddies,

 Im in doubt of thinking which coviq-19 vaccine will be more better and good effects in fact never trigger back my withdrawal sydrome. Currently my country goverment open for Astrazeneca vaccine. But im still worries about this jab side effects and hear that about blood clot. Would like to ask buddies here which vaccine will be better and safer. Pfizer or Astrazeneca or sinovac(my country currently used) Im really need some advice or more info about those vaccine in order to get my first jab sooner. Thanks for advice🙏🙏🙏

[arbor]

Hi all.  I took the Pfizer vaccines.  The second one launched me into terrible w/d symptoms reminiscent of the early days of reaching zero from Zoloft and Prozac.  (Depression, insomnia, restless leg, psoriasis, anxiety, etc.)  I thought, OMG I'm back at square-one--Will it ever go away?

I'm writing today to say the experience of acute w/d has gone away.  I'm sleeping better for the last 3 days, the rash has diminished, and I can meditate again.  So I'm back with my regular (plodding--) path of recovery.

I wish you all the best as you juggle both w/d and Covid 19.  May we all recover soon!!!!💗

Arbor

[dirtvoid]

Just wanted to share I had my Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine - just after coming out of a very intense wave and my only noticeable side effect was a sore arm for 3-4 days. 

[Rosetta]

Second Moderna vaccine — very nervous.  I’m scheduled to have it 3 weeks after the first shot.  I think I will wait another few weeks.

 

I am hearing many people say they are afraid of the vaccine.  Being very uncomfortable with vaccines in general, I feel there is a place for them, and something such as Covid 19 would be that place unless there is something of which I am unaware.  Given that I was unaware of the dangers of ADs and the way to protect myself when my medication was switched, I’m not very confident that getting the second shot is a good idea.

 

Does anyone know of information that would ease my mind or vice versa?  

 

@Miracle123 My husband had both of his Pfizer shots. He is fine.  He did feel a bit bad after the second one.  However, he has never taken any prescription psych drugs.  (Actually, the vaccine may have cured a debilitating condition he had developed recently — consistent low grade headaches that turned into shooting pains upon bending over.  His symptoms matched those of a sphenoid sinus infection.) 

 

He feels that the mRNA vaccine idea is a much better idea than that behind traditional vaccines which use more of the genetic material from the viruses. 
 

@Miracle123 Astra Zeneca— I would not risk a blood clot because it could be anywhere.  As for the sinovac, I have no idea. Good luck.

[brassmonkey]

@Rosetta-- I really recommend that you get the second shot as scheduled. According to the CDC in some cases it can be put off a couple of weeks but the timing is very important. The shots are designed to be taken in two parts. Only taking the first one will give very limited protection and lead to a false sense of security, but having both will give as full protection as the drug can.

 

We are all very nervous about trusting doctors with yet another medication that is not too well explained. Yes there are horror stories going around about how bad these shots are affecting people, but it is a very limited number of people compared to how many are getting them. There also is evidence that having a negative reaction to the shot means that a person is more resistant to COVID 19 than those how don't get a reaction.

 

I was quite hesitant at first about getting them, but am very glad I did. I had little reaction to the first shot of the Pfizer, but had a rough couple of days from the second. But compared to the alternative that discomfort is a small price to pay. Also these drugs are not as new and untested as many of us believe. COVID 19 is a variation of the virus that causes the common cold and that family of viruses has been studied for decades.

[Rosetta]

Thanks @brassmonkey  I feel that I’m doing better than I have in many years.  It’s really difficult to imagine getting aka again.  It’s scary to think of getting the virus and having a terrible reaction to that, too.  My husband is much more worried about me risking intubation and the drugs involved with that.  I think a recurrence of aka after that might be nearly inevitable.  
 

Do you know where the info is about how long I could delay the second shot.  I’m not going to get complacent about the virus, but other people will.

[Hanna72]

Hi @Rosetta

 

Here is a link on the time between shots that I found.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-it-safe-to-delay-a-second-covid-vaccine-dose/

 

 

 

 

 

[Rosetta]

Thanks @Hanna72

[brassmonkey]

The CDC has several good pages about this. I found this one helpful

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/second-shot.html

 

[Kiasofia]

@Rosetta In Norway the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are given with six weeks between for risk-group and twelve weeks between for non-risk group. The Norwegian equivalent of CDC has deemed this safe, however it is a rationing strategy due to the fact that we had few vaccines to begin with and decided not to use the virus-vector vaccines anymore (Aztra Zeneca/Vaxzevria and Johnson&Johnson/Janssen) because of deaths from blood clots. (Norway has  had so few covid deaths, that they can't defend having any vaccine related deaths.)

 

I wont be offered my first shot until July, and am hoping I'll be less nervous by then...I wouldn't have thought twice about it pre AD-nightmare, but now I'm terrified of even taking aspirin.

 

Is akathisia a possible side effect of the vaccine?

[Rosetta]

@Kiasofia No, not to my knowledge.  Akathisia is something I had because of the cold turkey, and I am afraid of it coming back if my body is stressed by the second shot.  I don’t have any reason to think akathisia is at all likely to happen as a direct result of the vaccine.  
 

WD symptoms seem to return for people who have had them before.  I suppose I will always live in fear of aka, but the more time that passes, the safer I will be from it’s return.  This pandemic has been bad timing for those of us dealing with post-withdrawal symdrome.

 

Thanks for the information about the timing of the second shot in your country.  The document I read today says that 80 percent of people are protected from developing a Covid infection after the first shot.  It also says that almost all people are protected from a severe case of Covid after the first shot.  

A severe case is my concern.  My daughter is 10, so she cannot get vaccinated.  Her school continues to require masks.  As far as I can tell, her Summer day camp will require masks most of the time and will keep the kids in small groups.  Whether they will swim this year, I don’t know as that might require mixing of the groups and no masks.

As for me, I feel pretty safe seeing people who are fully vaccinated, but I keep my mask on for myself and for their children.

 

The social responsibility concern is apparently that the virus may mutate in people who have only one shot.  The longer people go without the second shot, the better chance they could become vectors for a mutated form.  I know more about vaccines than most lay people, but there is always more to learn about anything.  
 

This virus is mutating so often all over the world.  It is very hard to contain.  If people get one shot and take off their masks, that is a problem.  Given the number of people in my country who will not wear masks, I’m surprised we haven’t seen a mutation that is particularly dangerous develop in the US.

[Colonial]

5 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

The social responsibility concern is apparently that the virus may mutate in people who have only one shot.  The longer people go without the second shot, the better chance they could become vectors for a mutated form.  I know more about vaccines than most lay people, but there is always more to learn about anything.

 

I wish I had the document concerning a reference to these issues I came across not to far back. It was concerning the possibility of mutated forms becoming more deadly as is the concern of viral escape theorists such as vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche and others who are at a full press for a second shot of Moderna, (even with the supposed 80% efficacy after 1 shot) even though they end on different ends of the scale of recommendations as to what those possibilities should entail.

 

Anyway, the research seemed to indicate that all of the variants showed little probability to mutating into something more dangerous that the original, regardless of interaction with natural antibodies or those with 1 or 2 shots, which seems to hold true for most organic virus's.  One could make a case that mutations arrive from hosts with natural anti bodies just as much as a vaccine, and I have yet to find convincing research about "under vaccinated" individuals posing a threat to mutations more than hosts with natural anti bodies. I will post it if I can find it.

 

I'm also looking for the chart of all the Vaccines currently in production for those waiting for an actual true vaccine in the normal sense. There are about 2 dozen between the research and testing phase. 

 

 

[Rosetta]

My husband saw something that said the first dose is not enough for the mRNA vaccines because memory-B cells are created and live in the bone marrow after the second dose.  The  response of memory-B cells is stronger and swifter than some other antibody producing cells. So, we are better protected after the second shot.  That makes sense to me. 
 

I found an article that discusses plasma B cells and memory B cells, both of which live in the bone marrow.  It seems that the memory B cells are believed to develop after the second exposure (second shot).  The theory is that we are better protected if we have both B cells.  Then, there are T cells that develop also have an effect somehow.  These are all in addition to anti-bodies.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-it-takes-2-shots-to-make-mrna-vaccines-do-their-antibody-creating-best-and-what-the-data-shows-on-delaying-the-booster-dose-153956

 

Thanks for that perspective @Colonial What I read did not address whether people who had had one shot were more likely than non-vaccinated people to be vectors for mutated viruses. It was a fairly brief explanation.  I suspect the fact that vast numbers of people across the globe will not get these vaccines (because of cost and patents) will have a greater impact on the possible evolution of Covid-19 than people with only one shot.

 

[Miracle123]

On 6/8/2021 at 11:21 AM, Rosetta said:

Second Moderna vaccine — very nervous.  I’m scheduled to have it 3 weeks after the first shot.  I think I will wait another few weeks.

 

I am hearing many people say they are afraid of the vaccine.  Being very uncomfortable with vaccines in general, I feel there is a place for them, and something such as Covid 19 would be that place unless there is something of which I am unaware.  Given that I was unaware of the dangers of ADs and the way to protect myself when my medication was switched, I’m not very confident that getting the second shot is a good idea.

 

Does anyone know of information that would ease my mind or vice versa?

Hi Rosetta, How are you ? Thanks for your respond and advice will im really appreciated so much. 

 

Im know that AZ vaccine will cause blood clot but the chances is rare and depend on individual especially women who took birth control pills for long time. My husband just had his first AZ vaccine few days ago. He look fine with zero effects. But women took this vaccine will be more side effects than men because my female cousin after get shot, she ended up terrible headche,fever and shivering almost 2 days. 

Im not choose AZ if i got better optional. Im know pfizer or Moderna ( mRNA vaccine) more better and will be in my list if my goverment will allows us to choose vaccine sooner. Im believe some discomfort or nervous will hit after the jab but hope it will dismiss and subside very soon. 

My countries here mostly ppl also afraid of taking covid 19 vaccines because mostly worries of its safetly and side effects as well.But this current pandemic made my country cases rises up so high with high toll dead make ppl rushing to get vaccine (AZ become high demand already). Im hope i will get my first jab very soon but im still in a waiting list. Im afraid too but prevention is important than suffering from this devil virus.

Hope you will be fine after getting your second jab sooner. Take care and my warmest hugs to u.❤🤗