Estman Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Hello, There has been insane anxiety and depression since yesterday I'm desperate and don't know how to calm down It seems to have a wave of 7 days (14 days ago I reduced only 1mg) Anxiety and despair are so sur that it makes you nauseous There is such a compulsive tension, you can't think of anything else for a moment Will it pass too? What to do? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 5/4/2015 at 5:36 PM, JanCarol said: and 2. When you were a child, do you remember anything before age 4? No? That's because your brain was building so fast, it literally couldn't retain memories (ref: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4198637.htm). It takes 4 years to build a brain from scratch. Age 7 is where the "age of reason" begins, and a child supposedly knows right from wrong (in several religions). So it takes 7 years to build a discerning brain. Do you remember the difference between your brain at age 7 and age 13? What about the difference between age 14 and age 21? BIG difference, huh? Now compare these times to the number of years you were on the drug/s. Think about what your brain was like then, and what your brain is like now. Do not expect yourself to heal in days, weeks, or even months. The brain is an amazing thing. Respect it, and don't put it to a schedule. IT WILL HEAL. It IS HEALING! But it will take time. Be patient with your brain, let it grow itself anew. The waves will come, the windows will come, the waves will come again, and so will the windows. You breathe in, you breathe out. You are alive. Let your brain have it's own schedule, don't try to pin it to a calendar or a clock. I believe that to do so, will actually hinder its repair - but to let go - will help it heal more quickly. (just my belief) The wave is so hard on me that it drives me nauseous and constant despair I reduced Anafranil to 1mg (14 days ago) and 7 days ago the wave started I'm completely done right now, can't get out of bed, nausea, confusion, great depression and anxiety. The current daily dose is 34mg Previously, I reduced 2.5mg at a time and then waited 3-4 weeks. Last time I waited 6-7 weeks to stabilize. Why did I cut as heavy a wave as just 1mg? Since several weeks have been better in the meantime, the current wave is a shock Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 6/16/2012 at 11:32 PM, Altostrata said: Merged our waves and windows topics. Our nervous systems are so complicated, they repair themselves in patches. Some parts recover, then the whole thing needs to rebalance again. Rinse and repeat. I kept the previous dose for 6-7 weeks. since the last few weeks were more stable then I thought of reducing the low dose to 1mg The first 7 days after reduction were not bad, but then got worse. Now in 14 days there is chaos, great anxiety with nausea and despair. Does this indicate that I was moving too fast? I do not know what to do now is a constant torment I don't know if this wave is due to this 1mg reduction or previous reductions? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Thanks, support helps me! I currently have both mental and physical symptoms As if to die But hopefully it will pass Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted June 6, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 6, 2020 Hey Estman, you are getting to the 'pointy end' of the taper where tiny changes make a huge difference. Perhaps longer holds will help you here, perhaps a micro taper. It is common on SA to be very sensitive to dose increments as you approach zero. I hope you see the sun today! "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 6, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 6, 2020 Estman, your questions and status updates belong in the topic, your Introductions topic, not in the other part of the site. On 6/3/2020 at 2:37 AM, Estman said: Does a small dose change such as a 2-3% reduction cause withdrawal symptoms or is it a wave? .... If you get withdrawal symptoms after a reduction, they are withdrawal symptoms. When you get withdrawal symptoms, stop tapering. How much Anafranil are you taking now? Since you got withdrawal symptoms after reducing 1mg, I would updose by 0.5mg. Please let us know how you're doing. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 I am currently taking 34mg a day Last reduction 1mg made 16 days ago In recent days, there has also been great anxiety and a bad mood High blood pressure is also a concern Anxiety attacks are especially severe when you fall asleep in the evening and when you wake up in the morning. Yesterday the blood pressure was 154/100, the pulse was 90 High blood pressure is usually accompanied by severe nausea From time to time there are rapid increases in heart rate, with anxiety Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 My doctor asked why I was torturing me like that Why am I giving up the medicine myself? Unfortunately, doctors do not understand that I want to get rid of medication Unfortunately, they do not receive support. They do not understand that it is possible to do without medicine I hope, however, that the current bad wave will pass and I will be able to move on I want to get rid of myself, as many people here have done Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 I had a great anxiety and a high heart rate when I woke up in the morning It seems to be a jump in cortisol. In the afternoon I took a 1.5 hour nap and when I woke up I immediately hit my heart rate 117 Is there a jump in cortisol again? At the same time, blood pressure was normal 130/85 I took 12.5mg of Betaloc which lowers my heart rate However, after the heart rate dropped (it took an hour), there was tremendous anhedonia and weakness I can't work right now Can Betaloc also cause weakness or withdrawal symptoms? I have seen a cortisol lowering supplement on the market I haven't heard anyone use it I understand I'm having a bad wave right now Does the wave always pass? And anhedonia? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 9, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 9, 2020 What is the drug name for Betaloc? Please use Web search and read up on adverse effects of Betaloc. When did you start to get episodes of high blood pressure? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Altostrata said: What is the drug name for Betaloc? Please use Web search and read up on adverse effects of Betaloc. When did you start to get episodes of high blood pressure? Betaloc ZOK (metoprolol succinate) is a cardioselective beta-blocker for hypertension, angina pectoris, heart failure, disturbances of cardiac rhythm including especially supraventricular tachycardia, maintenance treatment after myocardial infarction and functional heart disorders with palpitations and for migraine High heart rate and blood pressure are usually 4 to 20 days of weaning Other times, it's not a concern Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 21 hours ago, Altostrata said: It's a little better today. (18 day ) There is less anxiety and sleep was normal There was no cortisol jump on waking I feel a little better I tried to work physically but got tired very quickly An hour of work and then I'm powerless and feeling depressed Why is it like that? Is there any connection to the heart rate? Is it a side effect or a withdrawal symptom of Anafranil? Is it also a transient symptom if kept longer? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 10, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2020 Are you taking metoprolol regularly? What times of day are you taking it? How are you taking 12.5mg? Is your tablet extended-release? 12.5mg sounds like it's too strong for you. I might cut it in half. 10 hours ago, Estman said: High heart rate and blood pressure are usually 4 to 20 days of weaning You get high heart rate and blood pressure from the 4th day after a reduction to the 20th day? If so, I would stop making tapering for the time being. You are tapering too fast. How did you get from 75mg Anafranil in December to 35mg in May? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 16 hours ago, Altostrata said: Are you taking metoprolol regularly? What times of day are you taking it? How are you taking 12.5mg? Is your tablet extended-release? 12.5mg sounds like it's too strong for you. I might cut it in half. You get high heart rate and blood pressure from the 4th day after a reduction to the 20th day? If so, I would stop making tapering for the time being. You are tapering too fast. How did you get from 75mg Anafranil in December to 35mg in May? Yes, I started reducing 75mg 6 months ago and today the daily dose is 34mg I looked at the notes that I have made the latest reductions as follows: March 13 new daily dose of 37.5mg April 13 new daily dose of 35mg May 23 new daily dose of 34mg You're right, I've cut too fast I was hoping that the last reduction of 1mg after 40 days would not be difficult but I was wrong Yesterday the first half of the day was better but in the afternoon there was fatigue This fatigue became very great, with increased depression and anxiety I have exhausted my strength and need to recover for a long time. If from December to March I was able to reduce normally then in recent months very little What do you think? I have taken this Betaloc at 3 p.m. I take it when I feel like my heart rate is too fast I'm afraid it can also cause fatigue and I try to cope without it I get tired very quickly Even if I feel better and start doing something, I get tired in 1-2 hours. If you don't stop at the right time, you will experience exhaustion, anxiety and sweating, and hot flashes Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 11, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 11, 2020 We advised you to taper slower, but you decided to taper faster. You will have to stop tapering and cope with your symptoms until they settle down. If you get side effects from Betaloc, take less. Use common sense. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, Altostrata said: We advised you to taper slower, but you decided to taper faster. You will have to stop tapering and cope with your symptoms until they settle down. If you get side effects from Betaloc, take less. Use common sense. Yes, I will take at least 2 months and not reduce. 40 days was not enough to stabilize the system Some of the symptoms now are beyond description At the same time, there is a great feeling of restlessness, agitation and physical ailments However, they were not there yesterday morning I was already happier and back today 1 Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 I have taken Anafranil 3 times a day so far 8 a.m., 1 p.m., and 9 p.m. In the afternoon there is dizziness and drowsiness and sleepiness I often sleep in the afternoon because I can't function Do I have to take my daily dose for the evening? How fast to do it? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 14, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 14, 2020 I believe we told you before that Anafranil does not need to be taken 3 times a day. If I were you, I'd move the 1 p.m. dose gradually by one hour per day to take with the 9 p.m. dose. Then you would be taking Anafranil twice a day. You will probably get sleepy at night. If you are also taking Betaloc in the afternoon, that could add to drowsiness. Use common sense. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 14 hours ago, Altostrata said: I believe we told you before that Anafranil does not need to be taken 3 times a day. If I were you, I'd move the 1 p.m. dose gradually by one hour per day to take with the 9 p.m. dose. Then you would be taking Anafranil twice a day. You will probably get sleepy at night. If you are also taking Betaloc in the afternoon, that could add to drowsiness. Use common sense. I'm going to move my daily dose No longer take Betaloc I'm trying to cope without it Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/15/2020 at 12:26 AM, Altostrata said: I believe we told you before that Anafranil does not need to be taken 3 times a day. If I were you, I'd move the 1 p.m. dose gradually by one hour per day to take with the 9 p.m. dose. Then you would be taking Anafranil twice a day. You will probably get sleepy at night. If you are also taking Betaloc in the afternoon, that could add to drowsiness. Use common sense. I have taken my daily dose at 8 pm this evening. The time of the week was better and more stable In the last few days, anxiety has arisen again Yesterday I did a few hours of physical work and after that I developed familiar weakness-anxiety and bad mood. It was high at night and caused a rise in blood pressure The blood pressure was 148/102 at night I couldn't sleep until morning Does taking a dose of the medicine at another time (in the evening) initially cause symptoms of adjustment? I have kept the daily dose stable Does physical activity cause withdrawal symptoms? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 22, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Estman said: Does physical activity cause withdrawal symptoms? Yes, physical activity can cause withdrawal symptoms to increase. -exercise-do-more-do-less-do-nothing-what-worked-for-you It may also have caused the sleeplessness due to being overstimulated. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Estman Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, ChessieCat said: Yes, physical activity can cause withdrawal symptoms to increase. -exercise-do-more-do-less-do-nothing-what-worked-for-you It may also have caused the sleeplessness due to being overstimulated. Yes, it seems strange It would be logical for physical fatigue and exercise to reduce stress hormones, such as consuming cortisol In my case, on the contrary, as long as I act, I feel normal After finishing work, the fatigue and anxiety keep getting worse In addition, there is a very bad mood, just like a reduction Later, greater anxiety and insomnia develop The body seems to be unable to shut itself down Why does such overstimulation occur? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 22, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Estman said: Yes, it seems strange It would be logical for physical fatigue and exercise to reduce stress hormones, such as consuming cortisol In my case, on the contrary, as long as I act, I feel normal After finishing work, the fatigue and anxiety keep getting worse In addition, there is a very bad mood, just like a reduction Later, greater anxiety and insomnia develop The body seems to be unable to shut itself down Why does such overstimulation occur? It seems many of your symptoms are due to the way you take your drugs. None of these questions can be answered until we see a daily symptom pattern. Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 10:11 PM, Altostrata said: It seems many of your symptoms are due to the way you take your drugs. None of these questions can be answered until we see a daily symptom pattern. Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. I have made the following notes:June 15 medication 3 times a day, I started to shift the dose from lunch to evening The day passed normally. There was no anxiety, little depression. Memory with occasional difficulties On June 16, I took the drug 3 times a day (12mg in the morning, 10mg at 16 and 12mg in the evening) feeling normal, no anxiety or depression there was no despair or nausea there was no problem with the activities, there was no apathy There was no confusion and no physical mood or fatigue there was no fear or euphoria On June 17 I took the drug 3 times in the morning, 10mg at 18 and 10mg in the evening Feeling mostly normal. In the evening, moderate headaches, sadness, moderate malaise and sweating occurred On June 18, I took the drug 3 times in the morning, 10mg at 19, and 10mg in the evening Sleep was disturbed, intense The mood fluctuated a bit, but the day is normal. In the evening, a moderate headache occurred On June 19, I took the drug twice a day, 14mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening Last night was normal, I was able to sleep well. Feeling normal in the morning, indigestion in the evening and headache. Couldn't fall asleep before 3-4 o'clock at night. On June 20, I took the drug twice, 14mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening At night, sleep was confused, with headaches, anxiety. Feeling bad On June 21, I took the drug 2 twice, 14mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening The night's sleep was awake and worse. Waking up in the morning immediately tired and feeling unwell. I did a few hours of moderate physical work, after which the fatigue and anxiety worsened. There was a great deal of anxiety and inability to fall asleep in the evening and at night. On June 22, I took the drug twice, 14mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening When I woke up in the morning I was tired, restless and anxious. I felt bad. At night, the blood pressure was 148/102 Restlessness and withdrawal symptoms during the day (no daily dose reduction) On June 23, I took the drug twice in the morning and 20mg in the evening The night passed normally, when I woke up I was immediately tired and couldn't do anything. Feeling and mood bad. Throughout the day there was great fatigue and anxiety. Head dizzy There is a lot of depression in the afternoon, like compulsions Night blood pressure 148/109 pulse 75 There is a constant fight or escape reaction, constant anxiety-panic. I fell asleep only in the morning. The sleep was bad Waking up immediately to greater anxiety. Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 24, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 24, 2020 I see you like to experiment. I may have told you before not to make frequent changes in your drugs. If I haven't, please do not make frequent changes in your drugs. It causes your symptom pattern to be irregular. These were my recommendations: On 6/14/2020 at 2:26 PM, Altostrata said: I believe we told you before that Anafranil does not need to be taken 3 times a day. If I were you, I'd move the 1 p.m. dose gradually by one hour per day to take with the 9 p.m. dose. Then you would be taking Anafranil twice a day. You will probably get sleepy at night. If you are also taking Betaloc in the afternoon, that could add to drowsiness. Use common sense. You've done everything but follow them. You have messed yourself up. We cannot support people who make their own problems. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Altostrata said: I see you like to experiment. I may have told you before not to make frequent changes in your drugs. If I haven't, please do not make frequent changes in your drugs. It causes your symptom pattern to be irregular. These were my recommendations: You've done everything but follow them. You have messed yourself up. We cannot support people who make their own problems. I take it twice a day now. Maybe I was moving too fast, but I did as you suggested In what sense do I like to experiment? I do not have any comorbidities or medications other than Anafranil addiction Is the change in blood pressure due to this? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Yes, there have been more drowsiness in the morning for a few days. It actually bothers me. I've tried to sleep longer in the morning, sometimes even at 10 o'clock, but I can't Is this the case after moving the dose or will it remain so? The body also responds to changes in the time it takes the medicine Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 25, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 25, 2020 As I read your record of recent dosing, I see you've taken the opportunity to sometime decrease your daily dosage and then increase it again. This is the kind of irregular dosing we tell people to avoid. It causes withdrawal symptoms such as palpitations and blood pressure changes. What is your current drug schedule and how long have you been on that drug schedule? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Altostrata said: As I read your record of recent dosing, I see you've taken the opportunity to sometime decrease your daily dosage and then increase it again. This is the kind of irregular dosing we tell people to avoid. It causes withdrawal symptoms such as palpitations and blood pressure changes. What is your current drug schedule and how long have you been on that drug schedule? The current daily dose is 34mg and I have been on it for 33 days. The last dose change was then on 23 May The first worst wave started in 8 days and lasted for 21 days (14 day cycle?) Then it was 6 days better until I started moving the daily dose I am not taking Betaloc because it seems to increase fatigue. The problem these days is when anxiety is high, then blood pressure is high and pulse is fast Today was dizziness and depression It is hoped to stabilize again, even with two medications a day Thank you for being patient with me Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 25, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 25, 2020 So you did reduce your daily dose. What times of day (o'clock) do you take your drugs, with their dosages? How long have you been on your current drug SCHEDULE? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Altostrata said: So you did reduce your daily dose. What times of day (o'clock) do you take your drugs, with their dosages? How long have you been on your current drug SCHEDULE? The daily dose has been the same for 34 days, but I changed the time of taking the drug. In the last six days (since 20.06) I have taken it: In the morning at 8 14mg In the evening at 20 10mg at 21 10mg There have been withdrawal symptoms for the last 6 days. Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Last night I experienced intrusive thoughts They are very disturbing and scary for me There is usually constant worry that cannot be stopped Then there is the depression that it stays that way The idea seems to get stuck and can't move on The more I am afraid of these thoughts, the harder it is to cope I have experienced them before from time to time Are these symptoms specific to Anafranil or does everyone have them? How to behave in their case, what to think? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 26, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Estman said: There have been withdrawal symptoms for the last 6 days. What do you mean by withdrawal symptoms? How's your sleep? Did you start on psychiatric drugs because of intrusive thoughts? Being afraid of thoughts or feelings adds to distress. You can stop being afraid of thoughts and feelings, that is something you can manage. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Altostrata said: What do you mean by withdrawal symptoms? How's your sleep? Did you start on psychiatric drugs because of intrusive thoughts? Being afraid of thoughts or feelings adds to distress. You can stop being afraid of thoughts and feelings, that is something you can manage. Severe withdrawal symptoms for me: confusion, restlessness, anxiety, unfounded fear, weakness-fatigue, sleep disturbances, depression (inability to feel happy and constant feeling unwell, dizziness, nausea, despair, headache ... At the moment I have been able to sleep, sometimes it is difficult to fall asleep. I usually wake up several times during the night I woke up twice last night, I felt better then when I woke up, but I felt bad in the morning. The change took only 2 hours. No, the medicine was given to me due to severe fatigue, burnout. One spring I went to work with a cold and after that I became very tired Since I also had generalized anxiety disorder then the doctor prescribed the medication. There have been no such disturbing thoughts before, they are all from an antidepressant At the moment, we are also very warm, almost 30 degrees, and the tricyclic drug makes it especially confusing Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 26, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 26, 2020 What is the reason you are taking 2 evening doses one hour apart? The reason I suggested going to 2 doses a day was because you were complaining of this: On 6/14/2020 at 9:22 AM, Estman said: I have taken Anafranil 3 times a day so far 8 a.m., 1 p.m., and 9 p.m. In the afternoon there is dizziness and drowsiness and sleepiness I often sleep in the afternoon because I can't function Do I have to take my daily dose for the evening? How fast to do it? Have these symptoms changed? Since you've been on your current schedule for 6 days (with a reduction of 1mg Anafranil included), I would stay on this schedule for at least a month. Your being able to sleep is a good sign. You may continue to feel better as your system adjusts to the new schedule. Please let us know of any SIGNIFICANT changes in your symptom pattern. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Altostrata said: What is the reason you are taking 2 evening doses one hour apart? The reason I suggested going to 2 doses a day was because you were complaining of this: Have these symptoms changed? Since you've been on your current schedule for 6 days (with a reduction of 1mg Anafranil included), I would stay on this schedule for at least a month. Your being able to sleep is a good sign. You may continue to feel better as your system adjusts to the new schedule. Please let us know of any SIGNIFICANT changes in your symptom pattern. I also wanted to take the evening dose to 9 p.m. When the worse symptoms started, by that time I had reached 8 o'clock. Probably should take at the same time, I'm going to do it Yes, before that there was more drowsiness in the afternoon It is now easier not to sleep during the day It's harder to wake up in the morning now I have slept until 9 o'clock for several days and am not recovering well Maybe it touches when the body gets used to the new mode I mentioned withdrawal symptoms in a previous letter Sometimes, however, it is difficult to distinguish between what is a withdrawal symptom and what is a side effect of the drug This Anafranil seems to be confusing effect This is probably a side effect This is disturbing and that is why I want to constantly reduce it When I reduce the drug, there is confusion But the drug itself causes it I have also noticed memory problems Sometimes I go to get something and forget what I'm looking for I never had that kind of thing before Yes, it must be kept stable now Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
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