Estman Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Can Anafran be used to prolong the healing time of cold viruses? I had severe sneezing and runny nose (probably rhinovirus) for 3-4 days At the same time watery eyes and as if inflamed (eyes swollen and corners broken) For 5 days I looked to be better and did half a day of work In the afternoon, extreme weakness and fatigue developed There is also depression and a feeling of hopelessness. Along with this, great fear and anxiety and compulsions arose Since I am currently keeping the dose stable for a long time, there can be no withdrawal symptom. I have learned about withdrawal symptoms, but now I am in demand Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 12/22/2020 at 6:13 PM, manymoretodays said: Hi Estman, @Estman I got your other post moved as well this morning. 2 posts up ^ and quoted below. Yes, I'm a big fan of HOLDing for the Holidays. And then, when you resume tapering, if I were you, I'd just go with 10% or less. Current dose Anafranil is 27 mg. 27 mg X .90 = 24.3 mg, which would represent a 10% reduction, from 27 mg 27 mg X .95= 25.6 mg, which represents a 5 % reduction from 27 mg Yep, lovely season now. Best, L, P, H, and G, mmt I changed my dose 9 days ago (7%, I've done it before) Exactly a week later, 7 days went very hard. Should the dose change be there by 5 days? Can withdrawal symptoms differ if I am 25mg or if I am 35mg? I think that with the same reduction (7%) Have you noticed that some doses are more difficult to reduce than others? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 18, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 18, 2021 Yes, the withdrawal symptoms can change at different times of your taper. The symptom/s you get can be different, last longer, appear at a different time. That is why the hold time is 4 weeks which allows your brain the time it needs to adapt before making another reduction. It is very important to hold for longer when needed instead of staying on a plan following a calendar. And yes, some members have found that there are different doses which they seem to have more trouble getting past. There is no "rule" about which dose. It is different for different people. Some members find that the lower their dose gets the slower they need to go, holding longer and/or reducing by less (remember that any reduction, whatever the size, is going in the right direction). This topic might help you to understand why this might happen: Why taper paper: dose-occupancy curves * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Estman Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 13 hours ago, ChessieCat said: Yes, the withdrawal symptoms can change at different times of your taper. The symptom/s you get can be different, last longer, appear at a different time. That is why the hold time is 4 weeks which allows your brain the time it needs to adapt before making another reduction. It is very important to hold for longer when needed instead of staying on a plan following a calendar. And yes, some members have found that there are different doses which they seem to have more trouble getting past. There is no "rule" about which dose. It is different for different people. Some members find that the lower their dose gets the slower they need to go, holding longer and/or reducing by less (remember that any reduction, whatever the size, is going in the right direction). This topic might help you to understand why this might happen: Why taper paper: dose-occupancy curves Thanks! Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Hi, This time the worse withdrawal symptoms were 2 weeks (14 days) Unfortunately, there is still fatigue I get tired suddenly every day at about 3 p.m. Then a more depressed mood develops. There were many other symptoms during the first two weeks Is current fatigue somehow related to cortisol? Do others also have a period of more anxiety-restlessness and then fatigue-exhaustion? Yesterday I went to the sauna. Unfortunately, this can not be done now, after particularly tired Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 11:22 PM, ChessieCat said: Yes, the withdrawal symptoms can change at different times of your taper. The symptom/s you get can be different, last longer, appear at a different time. That is why the hold time is 4 weeks which allows your brain the time it needs to adapt before making another reduction. It is very important to hold for longer when needed instead of staying on a plan following a calendar. Why taper paper: dose-occupancy curves 601 / 5000 The waves start completely unexpectedly The last time we wrote there were bad symptoms After that, it seemed to stabilize I had little work to do and was a little worried about it Then came a lot of work Then two days I felt normal, I thought I was stable now. There was enthusiasm and a willingness to work Then there was a small quarrel And 2 days ago I quickly felt bad There has been an extreme bad mood and great depression Physically, there is a rapid pulse and nausea, the desire to vomit I can't rejoice and have a constant panic of despair I have kept my dose for 22 days. How is it possible to change the situation so quickly? And the wave starts so suddenly? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 1:56 PM, Shep said: I would start the vitamin D at a low dose and see how your nervous system responds. Everyone reacts differently, so you may want to keep notes on paper or on a Word doc about how you're feeling as you add it in, noting if the benefits outweigh any upticks in symptoms. Or you could target food high in vitamin D. Hi Shep ! I would just like to know about the links between withdrawal and fatigue I have taken vitamin D and also vitamin C every day, as well as omega fish oil I last reduced it a month ago In the meantime, there were harder times and there was just a 12-day wave But when I try to work now, I get tired very quickly The work is not physically hard, but I am tired after a couple of hours of work I still take my daily dose halfway in the morning and the other half at 6pm Usually, great fatigue begins immediately after noon, around 2 to 3 p.m. Then you also experience more depression, feeling unwell I don't understand exactly if the fatigue is from this withdrawal depression (from reducing the drug a month ago) or caused by the drug itself? True, I had a viral illness from Christmas until January 10 But it should have already recovered Spring fatigue as it should not be because I take vitamins Maybe this drug itself causes this fatigue? Or is it a withdrawal symptom that goes away? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted February 7, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 7, 2021 @Estmanplease note I moved the above post out of Sleepless's intro thread, so you are asking about your own taper. 3 hours ago, Estman said: I would just like to know about the links between withdrawal and fatigue Please see the below article for a very good explanation of the link between psychiatric drug withdrawal and fatigue. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction Link to comment
Estman Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Shep said: @Estmanplease note I moved the above post out of Sleepless's intro thread, so you are asking about your own taper. Please see the below article for a very good explanation of the link between psychiatric drug withdrawal and fatigue. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction Many thanks! Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 2/7/2021 at 9:10 PM, Shep said: @Estmanplease note I moved the above post out of Sleepless's intro thread, so you are asking about your own taper. Please see the below article for a very good explanation of the link between psychiatric drug withdrawal and fatigue. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction I have had a huge weakness-fatigue for several days now Before that, there was a heavy wave for 12 days The waves and the weakness seem to alternate Even when you wake up in the morning, you immediately feel tired and weak, and your whole body hurts somehow Weakness makes me very afraid I'd like to do different things but can't This Weakness started a few days ago with a fast pulse Somehow this cortisol is out of place Otherwise I'm not sick, hopefully it will pass Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 11:22 PM, ChessieCat said: Yes, the withdrawal symptoms can change at different times of your taper. The symptom/s you get can be different, last longer, appear at a different time. That is why the hold time is 4 weeks which allows your brain the time it needs to adapt before making another reduction. It is very important to hold for longer when needed instead of staying on a plan following a calendar. And yes, some members have found that there are different doses which they seem to have more trouble getting past. There is no "rule" about which dose. It is different for different people. Some members find that the lower their dose gets the slower they need to go, holding longer and/or reducing by less (remember that any reduction, whatever the size, is going in the right direction). This topic might help you to understand why this might happen: Why taper paper: dose-occupancy curves It is exactly 31 days since the last dose reduction and there is still a strong wave of depression There is also great fatigue and weakness At higher daily doses, the waves seem to have lasted shorter Do lower daily doses cause waves for longer? I wanted to reduce it once a month, but this is not possible at the moment I also found the following information: Results: Occupancy of 5-HTT increased in a curvilinear manner. Even 10 mg of clomipramine hydrochloride showed approximately 80% occupancy, which was comparable with that of 50 mg of fluvoxamine maleate. Estimated median effective dose (ED50) of clomipramine hydrochloride was 2.67 mg for oral dose and 1.42 ng/mL for plasma concentration; those of fluvoxamine maleate were 18.6 mg and 4.19 ng/mL, respectively. Conclusions: Clinical doses of clomipramine and fluvoxamine occupied approximately 80% of 5-HTT, and dose escalation would have minimal effect on 5-HTT blockade. Ten milligrams of clomipramine hydrochloride was enough to occupy 80% of 5-HTT in vivo. If serotonin receptor occupancy is still more than 80%, haven't I recovered much? Does receptor occupancy indicate the severity of withdrawal symptoms? I mean that if the dose is 30mg and reduced to 3mg (10%) or if the dose is 25mg and reduced to 2.5mg (also 10%)? I've tried to keep the reduction always the same but as if the waves get longer or even heavier, maybe it seems so Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted February 20, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 20, 2021 @Estman I received your PM but am replying here in your Intro. Please note the staff does not give out tapering advice via the PM. We need all moderators to have access to your information so we don't give you conflicting advice. On 2/9/2021 at 8:52 AM, Estman said: I wanted to reduce it once a month, but this is not possible at the moment Many people find they need to hold for weeks or even longer. This isn't uncommon and it will give your nervous system a chance to rest. A long hold with a lot of self-care may be best. Going through a lot of occupancy studies may not be that helpful with your history of polypharmacy - some of your symptoms may be late waves from earlier drug withdrawals. If your mind/body is telling you to rest, it's time to rest. Link to comment
Estman Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 3:37 PM, Shep said: @Estman I received your PM but am replying here in your Intro. Please note the staff does not give out tapering advice via the PM. We need all moderators to have access to your information so we don't give you conflicting advice. Many people find they need to hold for weeks or even longer. This isn't uncommon and it will give your nervous system a chance to rest. A long hold with a lot of self-care may be best. Going through a lot of occupancy studies may not be that helpful with your history of polypharmacy - some of your symptoms may be late waves from earlier drug withdrawals. If your mind/body is telling you to rest, it's time to rest. I take clomipramine 2 times a day, in the morning and at 6 p.m. I last changed the dose 23 days ago Most withdrawal symptoms have decreased but there is still great fatigue Last time I reduced the morning dose to 1.5mg Does it matter which dose I reduce first? I think I give up the morning dose first and then the evening dose I bought your recommended book on chronic fatigue, it's very good It does not describe withdrawal symptoms, but otherwise provides a lot of information Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted March 12, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 12, 2021 21 hours ago, Estman said: Does it matter which dose I reduce first? Does clomipramine help with sleep? If so, you may want to reduce the morning dose. Preserving sleep is a priority. The active metabolite in clomipramine gives it a 54-77 hour half life, so you'll be find when you get down to just one dose a day (from the first post in the thread Tips for Tapering off clomipramine). Is clomipramine the only drug you're taking? Are you taking any supplements? If so, please list the name, dose, and time(s) of day you take them. 21 hours ago, Estman said: I bought your recommended book on chronic fatigue, it's very good It does not describe withdrawal symptoms, but otherwise provides a lot of information Do you mean a book recommended by Surviving Antidepressants? It wasn't me who recommended it (I haven't read any books on this subject, only online research articles), but it may be a book that others have recommended on the site. I'm glad you found the book helpful. The Beyond Meds blogger has written about chronic fatigue within the context of withdrawal, so you may find her writings helpful. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction Link to comment
Estman Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 20 hours ago, Shep said: Does clomipramine help with sleep? If so, you may want to reduce the morning dose. Preserving sleep is a priority. The active metabolite in clomipramine gives it a 54-77 hour half life, so you'll be find when you get down to just one dose a day (from the first post in the thread Tips for Tapering off clomipramine). Is clomipramine the only drug you're taking? Are you taking any supplements? If so, please list the name, dose, and time(s) of day you take them. Do you mean a book recommended by Surviving Antidepressants? It wasn't me who recommended it (I haven't read any books on this subject, only online research articles), but it may be a book that others have recommended on the site. I'm glad you found the book helpful. The Beyond Meds blogger has written about chronic fatigue within the context of withdrawal, so you may find her writings helpful. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction I do not take any other drugs regularly except Anafranil Only on particularly difficult days have I taken a little Betaloc if needed, when there is a particularly fast pulse and high blood pressure A fast pulse and high blood pressure occur during a wave, when also high anxiety and makes my head ache Betaloc normalizes the heart rate but the next day is weakness and fatigue I try to take it as infrequently as possible and then 12-25mg, no more In the morning I take Vitamin D3, Omega Fish Oil, Magnesium and Vitamin C. No other supplements have been taken Clomipramine appears to be one of the strongest tricyclic drugs My doctor says it can be easily omitted, completely wrong Are those who are free of drugs and energy recovered later? I thought maybe I would try to take a low dose of tryptophan, which helps clomipramine during the dose reduction period. At the same time, it's a risky thing. Has anyone helped? Have there been any positive experiences with it or have everyone had negative ones? Yes, this link to chronic fatigue was good information. Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 20 hours ago, Shep said: Does clomipramine help with sleep? I Sleep is strange to me Fortunately, there has been no more severe insomnia Sometimes when I reduce the dose, I have difficulty falling asleep for a few days I have intermittent sleep at night, I wake up every night at 3 o'clock, later I fall asleep again, never sleep all night in a row Sometimes the sleep is very lively, confused and painful, then a little better Often there is a struggle or escape with the content of dreams, sometimes rarely something romantic Once when I gave up amitriptyline I had severe insomnia, now I don't want to experience it again and I try to reduce it very slowly Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 12:49 PM, Shep said: Does clomipramine help with sleep? If so, you may want to reduce the morning dose. Preserving sleep is a priority. The active metabolite in clomipramine gives it a 54-77 hour half life, so you'll be find when you get down to just one dose a day (from the first post in the thread Tips for Tapering off clomipramine). Is clomipramine the only drug you're taking? Are you taking any supplements? If so, please list the name, dose, and time(s) of day you take them. Do you mean a book recommended by Surviving Antidepressants? It wasn't me who recommended it (I haven't read any books on this subject, only online research articles), but it may be a book that others have recommended on the site. I'm glad you found the book helpful. The Beyond Meds blogger has written about chronic fatigue within the context of withdrawal, so you may find her writings helpful. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction Clomipramine is a very strong SRI.[64][65] Its affinity for the SERT was reported in one study using human tissues to be 0.14 nM, which is considerably higher than that of other TCAs.[35][57] For example, the TCAs with the next highest affinities for the SERT in the study were imipramine, amitriptyline, and dosulepin (dothiepin), with Ki values of 1.4 nM, 4.3 nM, and 8.3 nM, respectively.[57] In addition, clomipramine has a terminal half-life that is around twice as long as that of amitriptyline and imipramine.[57][66] In spite of these differences however, clomipramine is used clinically at the same usual dosages as other serotonergic TCAs (100–200 mg/day).[57] It achieves typical circulating concentrations that are similar in range to those of other TCAs but with an upper limit that is around twice that of amitriptyline and imipramine.[57] For these reasons, clomipramine is the most potent SRI among the TCAs and is far stronger as an SRI than other TCAs at typical clinical dosages.[64][65] In addition, clomipramine is more potent as an SRI than any selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), it is more potent than paroxetine, which is the strongest SSRI.[57] Such information, is Clomipramine really stronger even than paroxetine? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 From time to time I have experienced periods when my whole body seems to be in pain (3-4 days) At the same time, I feel like my joints, especially my legs and arms are dying and limping During these periods, sleep is also very poor and there is a lot of fatigue both at night and during the day I have tried to sleep during the day but it has not alleviated it Could It Be Fibromyalgia? Is this a transient symptom? It has been 35 days since the last dose change Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 11:22 PM, ChessieCat said: Yes, the withdrawal symptoms can change at different times of your taper. The symptom/s you get can be different, last longer, appear at a different time. That is why the hold time is 4 weeks which allows your brain the time it needs to adapt before making another reduction. It is very important to hold for longer when needed instead of staying on a plan following a calendar. And yes, some members have found that there are different doses which they seem to have more trouble getting past. There is no "rule" about which dose. It is different for different people. Some members find that the lower their dose gets the slower they need to go, holding longer and/or reducing by less (remember that any reduction, whatever the size, is going in the right direction). This topic might help you to understand why this might happen: Why taper paper: dose-occupancy curves HI Chessie! I was on my previous dose for 35 days It seemed to be relatively normal in the end,I decided to reduce again 5 days ago I reduced the dose by 7-8% and yesterday I started to have very severe symptoms There was a very fast pulse, panic and anxiety and a very bad feeling all night I was only able to fall asleep in the morning Today there is a lot of anxiety, it seems that digestion is out of order and also nausea If Anafranil tablets are powdered then will the absorption change? Is there any information on norepinephrine receptor occupancy related to Anafranil? Are nausea and stomach upset caused by a decrease in the amount of serotonin in the body or a decrease in serotonin in the brain? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted March 27, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 27, 2021 Here at SA we go by symptoms. These are something that can be observed and compared whereas other things like occupancy are not able to be seen and/or measured by you. If you reduce your dose and your symptoms worsen then it generally means that you reduced too much. You might find a small increase / updose might help, but not going back to the previous dose. Perhaps go back up to the dose that would have been a 4% reduction of the previous dose instead of 8%. Going from your signature (please update it) it would seem that you have reduced from 27mg and went to about 25mg. Using these figures as an example, you might find that going to 26mg might help. When I reduced too much I got severe ear pain which was not alleviated by taking an OTC cold medicine which was when I realised it was a withdrawal symptom. I increased my dose by a small amount and the ear pain went. When I reduced my Pristiq from 100mg to 50mg I got an upset stomach and it is on the list: Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist 7 hours ago, Estman said: If Anafranil tablets are powdered then will the absorption change? When changing form of a drug, eg tablet to liquid, tablet to crushed tablet, then the rate of absorption of the drug will generally change. SA suggests doing a cross over which is gentler on your system. Have you recently changed from tablet to crushed/powdered tablet? If yes, did you do a cross over? Did you make a reduction at the same time as changing form of the drug? SA recommends only making one change at a time. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Estman Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 11:57 PM, ChessieCat said: Here at SA we go by symptoms. These are something that can be observed and compared whereas other things like occupancy are not able to be seen and/or measured by you. If you reduce your dose and your symptoms worsen then it generally means that you reduced too much. You might find a small increase / updose might help, but not going back to the previous dose. Perhaps go back up to the dose that would have been a 4% reduction of the previous dose instead of 8%. Going from your signature (please update it) it would seem that you have reduced from 27mg and went to about 25mg. Using these figures as an example, you might find that going to 26mg might help. When I reduced too much I got severe ear pain which was not alleviated by taking an OTC cold medicine which was when I realised it was a withdrawal symptom. I increased my dose by a small amount and the ear pain went. When I reduced my Pristiq from 100mg to 50mg I got an upset stomach and it is on the list: Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist When changing form of a drug, eg tablet to liquid, tablet to crushed tablet, then the rate of absorption of the drug will generally change. SA suggests doing a cross over which is gentler on your system. Have you recently changed from tablet to crushed/powdered tablet? If yes, did you do a cross over? Did you make a reduction at the same time as changing form of the drug? SA recommends only making one change at a time. Wikipedia describes that clomipramine is the strongest serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SERT occupansy) and especially at low doses.10mg of clomipramine corresponds to 50mg of fluoxetine or 20mg of paroxetine? Does this mean that withdrawal symptoms are the most severe or does half-life count? I am currently on 23.5mg a day Since the smallest tablet is 10mg, I let the pharmacy make small doses as a powder They are inside the paper and I just shake them in my mouth and drink water So I take the morning dose, in the evening I take the full tablet of 10mg Yes, sometimes when I start to reduce from a full tablet, I also switch to powder at the same time The last reduction was 7 days ago and was 8% Yes, it seems like it was too big because the symptoms are severe. Next time no more than 5% reduction. I really want to give up this medicine, and how good it is to be, then I think maybe not a big reduction 3-4 days later the effect arrives Yesterday was an extreme weakness. Even a little stress immediately causes excruciating weakness Even breathing seems difficult, as well as talking At the same time, it causes a great deal of anxiety Last night was a very disturbed sleep It was hard to fall asleep and when I fell asleep I had a very shallow sleep I woke up every now and then and I felt like I hadn't sounded asleep It was like a kind of sleep anxiety, very confused and living dreams In the morning can not recover for a long time There is a lot of drowsiness and confusion It's like fog in the head We also had the clock turning here in the Nordic countries yesterday This is done twice a year and also upsets the rhythm Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted March 29, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 29, 2021 You could always divide up what is in one of the paper powder packets and take only part of it so as to do a small increase. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Fallensoul Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 2/7/2021 at 8:10 PM, Shep said: @Estmanplease note I moved the above post out of Sleepless's intro thread, so you are asking about your own taper. Please see the below article for a very good explanation of the link between psychiatric drug withdrawal and fatigue. Protracted psych drug withdrawal syndrome, chronic illness, CFS, Fibromyalgia: it’s autonomic nervous system dysfunction This exactly the phase I'm in! I'm tapering paroxetine and Clomipramine and after a long period of stress, anxiety, panic I'm totally empty and dead tired mental and physical... The summary is that we exercise and move? 1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04 Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night2019/05 Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12 Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep2020/06 Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped2020/11 Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep) 2021/1 3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc, 3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17 Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet. 2021/03/17 Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4 2021/03/26 Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5. 2021/05/9 M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding) 2021/06/7 Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5 Link to comment
Estman Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 11:57 PM, ChessieCat said: Here at SA we go by symptoms. These are something that can be observed and compared whereas other things like occupancy are not able to be seen and/or measured by you. If you reduce your dose and your symptoms worsen then it generally means that you reduced too much. You might find a small increase / updose might help, but not going back to the previous dose. Perhaps go back up to the dose that would have been a 4% reduction of the previous dose instead of 8%. Going from your signature (please update it) it would seem that you have reduced from 27mg and went to about 25mg. Using these figures as an example, you might find that going to 26mg might help. When I reduced too much I got severe ear pain which was not alleviated by taking an OTC cold medicine which was when I realised it was a withdrawal symptom. I increased my dose by a small amount and the ear pain went. When I reduced my Pristiq from 100mg to 50mg I got an upset stomach and it is on the list: Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist When changing form of a drug, eg tablet to liquid, tablet to crushed tablet, then the rate of absorption of the drug will generally change. SA suggests doing a cross over which is gentler on your system. Have you recently changed from tablet to crushed/powdered tablet? If yes, did you do a cross over? Did you make a reduction at the same time as changing form of the drug? SA recommends only making one change at a time. I got a norovirus 11 days ago I vomited for 1-2 days and my stomach was out of order So far, however, it is not possible to eat normally The general feeling is bad and there is a weakness when I try to do something Does Anafranil slow down the healing of the virus? How long can such viruses go? I have not had such a thing for several years Yesterday I tried a small piece of garlic but it made it worse Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 11:57 PM, ChessieCat said: For some reason, I have weakness in my waking hands and feet in the morning Also, the whole body is very limp in the morning Is it paraesthesia? Sleep is also very lively and confused Already 32 days since the last dose change Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 10:40 AM, ChessieCat said: You could always divide up what is in one of the paper powder packets and take only part of it so as to do a small increase. I have a fast pulse after a short effort Even if you don't do something very difficult, even an hour or two later there is still a fast pulse I wonder if this is also a withdrawal symptom or a side effect of Anafranil? Otherwise there are no heart problems Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Can dose reduction affect vision? It seems to me that the eyes do not tolerate bright light There are blurred vision and squinting in some places It causes headaches Today is 15 days since the last reduction (7% Clomipramine) There have been problems with the eyes somewhere in the last 1-1.5 weeks Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted June 19, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 19, 2021 Please see: Vision symptoms: floaters, snow, blurred/dimmed vision, twitching, dry eyes and pain Link to comment
Estman Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Shep said: Please see: Vision symptoms: floaters, snow, blurred/dimmed vision, twitching, dry eyes and pain Thank you Shep ! I have the following observation: If you reduce the dose then there are problems with vision for the first 1-1.5 weeks. Then there are also occasional nausea and other bad symptoms but these are tolerable But everything changes somewhere in 15-16 days Suddenly there is a change, within a few hours a strong wave begins, the head goes like a block with a disturbing feeling and great anxiety There are also immediate problems with blood pressure otherwise it is somewhere between 135/90 and already 155/100 High blood pressure causes intense tension in the eyes and neck There is a pulsating headache Since I don't want to take a sedative, I've tried to lower my pulse and blood pressure. The extreme wave usually lasts about 7-12 days, later there is a lot of fatigue and depression I always reduce my dose once every 35 days and no more than 5-7% at a time Waves always start very unexpectedly and suddenly. Another indicator is the waves, very lively, abstract and distressing dreams. Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 2:06 PM, Shep said: Please see: Vision symptoms: floaters, snow, blurred/dimmed vision, twitching, dry eyes and pain I have noticed that I can no longer eat dairy products, there are disturbing bloating and digestive problems and nasty nausea. It starts about an hour after eating and lasts 4-5 hours Could it be related to reduction? There was no such thing before, I could eat ice cream, cheese, etc. Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted June 22, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 22, 2021 Sound like you've developed food sensitivities, which is common during withdrawal. Food sensitivities Also check out the other links at the top of that first post in the thread. Link to comment
Estman Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 23 hours ago, Shep said: Sound like you've developed food sensitivities, which is common during withdrawal. Food sensitivities Also check out the other links at the top of that first post in the thread. Hi Shep, I may have a histamine intolerance Do I understand correctly that reducing an antidepressant increases histamine levels? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Estman Posted July 3, 2021 Author Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 2:06 PM, Shep said: Please see: Vision symptoms: floaters, snow, blurred/dimmed vision, twitching, dry eyes and pain Hi Shep, Vision is slightly improved, less blurred. I had several blood tests done There is no lactose intolerance There is no gluten intolerance But there are still some ailments and food intolerances I also did a histamine test I gave blood in the morning when I had not eaten for more than 12 hours and the reading was 5.43 nmol / l The laboratory said that this is normal and can be up to 9 nmol / l However, I myself doubt that What Should Normal Histamine Levels Be? Are there any numbers, rates? It has been 35 days since the last dose change and was 7% of the daily dose However, redness, watery eyes and tingling still occur There are digestive problems, occasional nausea, drowsiness, dizziness, etc. Does the blood test accurately indicate a possible histamine problem? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted July 4, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 4, 2021 I'm not familiar with histamine tests. Please have a read of these threads and if you don't find your answer, feel free to post and ask your questions there. Elimination or exclusion diets for reactions to food (food intolerance) Histamine intolerance Link to comment
Estman Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/4/2021 at 2:18 PM, Shep said: I'm not familiar with histamine tests. Please have a read of these threads and if you don't find your answer, feel free to post and ask your questions there. Elimination or exclusion diets for reactions to food (food intolerance) Histamine intolerance HI Shep, I did a histamine test and it was 9.00 nmol / l ( the allowable limit is 9) Looks like it's too high Unfortunately, I can't interpret it and can't find a person to say if it also causes symptoms. Another specific question I would have: I have had powders in small doses (such as a 2mm sachet) in a pharmacy In the morning I put it in my mouth and drink water, in the evening I take a full tablet At the moment I take 2 sachets (4mg) in the morning The pharmacy has set the shelf life of the powder at 2 months. I looked to have the packages made in October 2020 Have they become weaker over time? How much can they change with age? Is it possible to check their strength to know what the actual strength is? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg paar korda kuus, vajadusel Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 kitsenev 2-3 kuud,rasked sümptomid 1 nädal pärast viimast annust Amitriptüliin 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,kitsenev 2-3 kuuga, unetus, paanika-ärevus, segasusseisund, iiveldus Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, Lorasepaam 10.02.19-20.02.19 vajadusel üleöö Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,ei stabiliseerinud olukorda, hirme, segasust ja unetust, olin haiglas 1 nädal Olansapiin 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,unetuse leevendamiseks suureneb segasus, suureneb depressioon, tekib raske akatiisia Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,ei tööta enam, olukord ei stabiliseeru, jälle haiglas 2 nädalat Levomepromasiin 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 aitas magada, kuid suurendas segadust ja depressiooni Anafraniil 75mg03.08.19-15.12.19 15.12.19 , 35mg 17.05.20 , 27mg 01.01.21 16.07.21 oli päevane A19 mg 01.04.22 11mg 01.11.22 8,6mg, 01.11.23 6,5mg 01.01.24 5mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted August 2, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Estman said: I have had powders in small doses (such as a 2mm sachet) in a pharmacy In the morning I put it in my mouth and drink water, in the evening I take a full tablet At the moment I take 2 sachets (4mg) in the morning The pharmacy has set the shelf life of the powder at 2 months. I looked to have the packages made in October 2020 Have they become weaker over time? How much can they change with age? Is it possible to check their strength to know what the actual strength is? I'm not sure you can check the strength of the pills, although you may want to reach out to your local pharmacist. Usually going a few weeks past an expiration date isn't a problem for tablets or powder (for liquid it's more important). But for an expiration date of 2 months for packages dated October 2020, that would mean you're now 8 months passed the December expiration. When you get your next set of packages, you may want to gradually transition to the new powder in case there is a change in strength. You could crossover to the new powder by 25% increments every few days to allow your nervous system to adjust. Link to comment
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