bmi197143: help trying to taper 2 meds

[Gridley]

2 hours ago, bmi197143 said:

How much should I reintroduce today.

Go back to your previous dose--0.017g pill weight, which is 3.4mg active ingredient.  Again, go back to your old dose.

 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Gridley

[bmi197143]

9 minutes ago, Gridley said:

Go back to your previous dose--0.017mg pill weight, which is 3.4mg active ingredient.  Again, go back to your old dose.

Gridley what is the weight i should think about getting down to for jumping and I will take thst tonight.

[bmi197143]

I will hold at current weight for long time.

[bmi197143]

Will hold at 0.017 of Amitriptyline for long time.

[Gridley]

1 minute ago, bmi197143 said:

Gridley what is the weight i should think about getting down to for jumping and I will take thst tonight.

We can talk about that later.  That's in the future.  The important thing is that you take you previous dose today.  

 

Your previous dose of 0.017 contains 3.4mg of active ingredient, which is way too high to jump to zero.

 

At what rate are you tapering?

[bmi197143]

Thinking 1mg every 4 to 6 weeks pending how I feel.

[bmi197143]

At least that till get to 10 mg pill weight. Then little less little slower.

O sorry 0.010 pill weight then really little really slow.

[bmi197143]

Any suggestions or sound good.

[Gridley]

11 minutes ago, bmi197143 said:

Will hold at 0.017 of Amitriptyline for long time.

That's fine.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, bmi197143 said:

Thinking 1mg every 4 to 6 weeks pending how I feel.

 

 

15 minutes ago, bmi197143 said:

At least that till get to 10 mg pill weight. Then little less little slower.

 

 

You're now on 17mg pill weight (which reads out on your scale as 0.017 grams, but it's better to think in terms of milligrams).  We recommend tapering no faster that 10% of current dose every four weeks.  You will do fine tapering 1mg pill weight every 4 to 6 weeks until you get down to 10mg pill weight, because that will be no more than 10%.  Once you get down below 10mg pill weight, because you can decrease on the scale only in 1mg pill weight amounts, you'll be going faster than 10% when you drop from 9mg to 8mg, etc.  At that point it would be a good idea to hold for longer.

 

Brassmonkey posted that your current dose of 17mg pill weight (17mgpw) equals 3.4mg active ingredient (3.4mgai), which is way too high to jump to zero.  

 

 

 

[Altostrata]

Did you take your regular dose of 3.4mg amitriptyline? How do you feel now?

 

What times of day do you take your drugs, with their dosages? Include losartan -- ALL your drugs.

 

[brassmonkey]

Hi BMI-- you asked for specific information on dosing over on the Brassmonkey Slide Method of Microtapering  thread. It would be best to discuss it here so you have the information where it is easily available.

 

Before I can do the calculations I need to know which medication you wish to taper. It is best to only taper one at a time. I will also need to know the weight of the dose you are currently taking as shown on the scales. If you can get it I could really use the weight of a whole tablet and the strength as listed on the package. Once I get that we can run some numbers and get you all set up.

[bmi197143]

Still going

 

Well am still trying am at .014 Amitriptyline and .013 Ropinerole. Still taking Benzo to help sleep. Now is when its getting tough. Sleep is ok 6 hours appetite not to good sore joints tinnitus is loud and inside vibration with little tremor. Am lifting weights stretch bands taking Mag and fish oil. 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by ChessieCat
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[brassmonkey]

I'm reposting my answer to your pm here so you will have a better record of it.

 

To calculate a 2.5% reduction you multiply the current weight of your dose by 0.975. That will give the weight of your new dose. For the next reduction you multiply that weight by 0.975 to get the next one. And so on.

 

The scales we use have trouble weighing doses smaller than 4 milligrams pill weight. I used a 4mg pile of powder and visually divided in into 1/4s. I took 3 piles then 2 piles then 1 pile. Nest I again divided the last 1 pile into 1/4s and did it again.

 

You may want to consider switching to a homemade liquid when you get to 4 milligrams pill weight. You would have much greater control over the strength of each dose.

 

 

[bmi197143]

Hello well am still trying am currently at .012 mg pill weight. Also am now at .009 mg pill weight of Ropinerole. I just want to ask for any dry cutting using scale and capsules how do we get the in between numbers for the 10% reduction. As we can only go mg by mg. I can't get it compounded and don't want to switch to liquid.

[bmi197143]

Am at .012 Amitriptyline

 

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[Gridley]

2 hours ago, bmi197143 said:

I just want to ask for any dry cutting using scale and capsules how do we get the in between numbers for the 10% reduction. As we can only go mg by mg.

Based on my experience with the Gemini scale, you can only go mg by mg.  You can't get in-between numbers.  With my brand of Lexapro, once I got below 9mg pill weight, my drops began exceeding 10% and increasingly so as I got lower and lower.  The only way I know to try to balance this out is to increase hold times.

[manymoretodays]

Hello bmi,  @bmi197143

This is your introduction page.  Absolutely the best spot for your questions, around your specifics.  Please don't start any new ones.

  

On 6/4/2020 at 6:04 PM, Altostrata said:

Exactly what drugs are you taking now, at what dosages and times of day? When did you start each drug?

 

To help us out, follow these instructions Please put your drug and withdrawal history in your signature You may need to use a computer to do this.

 

I think you might be on 3 drugs?  Amitryptyline, Ropinerole, and an unnamed benzo of an unknown dose. 

First, answer the bolded question above, right here, right below this post. 

Then go to the link for signatures and follow those instructions.

 

2 hours ago, bmi197143 said:

Am at .012 Amitriptyline

 

Is this the weight of your Amitriptyline crushed powder?

Are you tapering just the Amitriptyline right now?  When did you last taper the Amitriptyline?  From what weight?

Are you experiencing any WD(withdrawal) symptoms now, and if so of what type?

 

Giving us a bit more information will really help us to help you further.  Generally the rule of thumb is to round up if your final number is greater than  .0005(I'm just going by a weight that would be beyond your scales capacity) and down if it is below that.  The final number is found by multiplying your present weight by the percentage that you wish to decrease by.  I can see that brassmonkey posted about how to calculate a 2.5 % taper and if you are not doing a brassmonkey slide method of tapering and are just doing a 10% taper every 4-6 weeks, then you multiply your present weight of Amytriptiline by .90.

 

For now bmi, please just HOLD, until we get your information sorted out again, with your help.

  

On 6/4/2020 at 8:01 PM, brassmonkey said:

@AltostrataIf BMI is currently taking a dose of Amitriptyline that weighs 0.017g on the scales it would have a strength of 3.4mgai (milligrams active ingredient.) This is much too high to consider making the jump to "0".

 

Your actual dose of Amitriptyline is still pretty high.  So please be patient with yourself and your tapering.  There is no reward for tapering too quickly, in fact sometimes it leads to a lengthier time until your nervous system fully adapts to being without the drug(receptors and all that).

 

Do you have the average weight of a 5 mg(dose strength) Amitriptyline?  That would help us to, in helping you with further calculations and suggestions.

 

And okay......a lot of homework for you.......answer questions, work on signature.  Thank you so much and hope you are doing well.

 

Love, peace, healing, growth,

manymoretodays(mmt)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by manymoretodays
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[manymoretodays]

Hey again bmi,

I am seeing most of the answers to the questions on page one, back in June.  So sorry, I don't have time today to do the gathering up of all that.

Perhaps, you could consolidate that information further on your own?  I often take pen to paper, even now, as someone off medication.......as a moderator, to figure out more around each persons specifics. 

And really, truly.......goes to show how important it is to keep your posts limited to one introduction.........that way we can see more of the context of your questions.

Do your best!  Thanks again.

 

[manymoretodays]

July 2015 to present 100 mg losartan.                                                July 2019 25 mg Amitriptyline.         July 2019 1mg Alprazolam.                August 2019 50 mg Ropinerole.      March 2020 25 mg Amitriptyline.    March 2020 25 mg Ropinerole.        April 2020 10mg Amitriptyline.       Ct for 7 days end of May both Amitriptyline and Ropinerole.            RI at .017mg Amitriptyline and .030mg Ropinerole on May 25 2020.                                                     Currently at .012mg Amitriptyline and .010 Ropinerole. And I take still take 1mg Alrazolam .025 at 9 am .025 at 3pm and .050 at 9 pm. I take Amitriptyline and Ropinerole at 5 pm every day. Losartan at 7 Am everyday.

( hi bmi, I'm just copying the above so I don't lose it while doing some spacing editing on your signature)

And good job!!!

And okay I got it all in there, except for the below.  Which is better here, right here, in a post on your introduction section(page).  @bmi197143

 

Present drugs and times:

7 am Losartan(BP-blood pressure med) 100 mg

9 am  Alprazolam .025mg

3 pm Alprazolam .025 mg

5 pm Amitriptyline 2.4 mgai(mmt's best estimate based on 3.4 mgai equivalent to .017 on scale)

          Ropinerole .010 (?? weight or dose)

9 pm Alprazolam .050 mg

  

On 6/4/2020 at 5:57 PM, bmi197143 said:

Still have to get off the Ropinerole. Pill weight is .204 dosage is 25 mg am currently taking 0.030.

 

Okay.....so 25 mg weighs .204 on your scale and you've reduced all the way to .030 in weight.  I've just got to say you may be/ARE going way to fast!

Have you seen this:

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

 

bmi,

It looks like you've been doing some dual drug tapering since May.  And a bit of fast tapering on the Amitriptyline, as well as the Ropinerole.  So.......again.......just HOLD, for now. 

You have been going really fast without much input.

How is the RLS now?

 

To get an idea of WD(withdrawal symptoms) you can look at this and see what fits, perhaps what wasn't there prior to a year ago, when you first started medication for post concussive nerve pain.  When was the concussion?

 

Dr. Joseph Glenmullen's withdrawal symptom list

 

Okay, and best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Edited September 1, 2020 by manymoretodays
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[manymoretodays]

How are you doing bmi97143?

[bmi197143]

Still going

 

So I joined a couple more withdrawal forums. From what I have learned here from all the moderators and survivors I Am passing down all that knowledge. However administers and moderators of these other sites seem to think they are gods or super heroes. It appears they get this big ego because people come to them in dire need of help or advice it goes to their head. This is sad. I got a taking to for helping people with knowledge I learned from this site sad. This site is the best ever best everything. All here have walked through the fire.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by ChessieCat
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[ChessieCat]

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[ChessieCat]

52 minutes ago, bmi197143 said:

This site is the best ever best everything.

 

Have you listened to Altostrata's recent interview?  Link is in my signature.