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Hi Morgana, just read some of your latest posts. If you're having sleep issues I believe you should hold until you can sleep normally, even if it takes a long time. I've seen a lot of people trying to force drops while having sleep issues and they always ended up really bad, so for me sleep is sacred, I only drop in percentages I can sleep well with. I noticed you took olanzapine for so many years ūüėĮ that must have been so hard. At 10mg I had uncontrollable urges to eat and akathisia, I gained 15kg, besides the numbing, it was hell. I do yoga at home, I try to start the day with a Sarah Beth or Boho beautiful video, check it up on YouTube. I also recommend trying a meditation by Vishen Lakhiani from mindvalley, Google it, it has 6 steps. It's not a regular meditation, your mind is engaged so it's easier, it is really powerful. You can do it while walking if you want listening to meditation music. Mindfulness meditation is also wonderful, you can start doing it walking too and maybe sit for 1 minute a day, then upping the time progressively. Meditation is really helping me, I am really happy I tried it. You already made good progresses on your journey, celebrate that. I wish you all the best!¬†

2007 - 15mg olanzapine, mood stabilizer, benzo, quetiapine 2009 - aripiprazol, benzo, lamotrigine 100mg 2015 - olzp 15mg, zolpidem 2017 - trazodone 2 weeks, cold turkey, lamotrigine and zolpidem, olzp 15mg, mood stabilizer, benzo 2018 - olzp 5mg, Nov olzp 2,5mg down directly from 5mg no symptoms 2019 - olzp 2,5mg cold turkey Jan after 12 days reinstated, cutting pills Nov 14 days reinstated 2,5mg 2020 - olzp 2,5 water taper by 2,5% 1,9mg (september) 45 days at 5mg, now at 2,5mg (28.10)

 

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Glad to talk about this stuff.  I should stress I'm not a medical professional or anything - more sharing what's been working for me, and hopefully other people can find some use in that on their own

Hi morgana, Did you go to the liquid already?  And did you see Ccat's advice on crossing over, doing a gradual shift from the tablet/pill to liquid?   And okay, I'm seeing that you did

I used to have dissociative problems before I found the right help and sorted out my early traumas, partly what got me put on this drug.  Those did my memory no favours.  I also got messed around by m

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On 11/20/2020 at 8:18 PM, morgana said:

hi venkat, i might try poppy seed powder....i know cows milk is meant to help you sleep but i do not drink cows milk , so maybe i could use with some coconut milk see if that works....insominia is the worst....all i want is a good deep sleep...last night i got into bed a 1 am in the morning and got out of bed at 11.45 am this morning...i felt i didnt sleep a wink....it is torture, it can really affect your mood...i wish you luck, take it slow and let me know what symptoms you are experiencing...i would like to know if i am not the only one...cheers

 

Hi sweetie,

Do take another look at Tips to help sleep: so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia, too.

It was an odd sleep, that I used to get when on Zyprexa.  I never felt rested or revitalized at all.

 

  

On 11/19/2020 at 6:33 PM, manymoretodays said:

You may be able to find something affordable, that helps you to deal with the onslaught of uncomfortable emotions.  Ask about DBT:  Dialectical Behavior Therapy(DBT) and Radical Acceptance

 

  

On 11/19/2020 at 8:47 PM, morgana said:

hi manymoredays, i havnt had a drink since the beginning of November, however i know i need to deal with my emotions, and sometimes i cannot and need to drink, which is one of the reasons i need to see a therapist to talk to.  I have only met this pschologist once and will see him on a fortnightly basis, and in the 45 mins that i spent with him the other day he took down a timeline and overview of my life history...the office offers these services:  cognitive behavioural therapy, Acceptance & Committment therapy, eye movement desensitisation & reprocessing (EMDR), Schema Therapy and Internal family systems therapy... all of which i know nothing about but the next time i see him i will find out how he can help me and which therapy we would be using...

As i only live in a small regional town in Australia, we do not have any practices that offer Dialectal and acceptance therapy...i was lucky to find a practice that offered what i wrote about...but yes drinking has always been my choice of drug...ever since i was a teenager, i had always found it difficult to feel comfortable in social situations so i always got drunk...in the end all i did was drink on my own at home, and needed to drink everyday inorder to relax and feel at ease inmyself...

 

The DBT link, has a link to some online program too.  Look at the Radical Acceptance piece.

 

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Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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35 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Here are computer and printable symptoms lists and also blank versions of them with a rating system.

 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen's Withdrawal Symptoms

 

thanks chessiecat, more detailed than mine i might use that one instead of mine...am i able to write in it everyday on the computer?

 

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Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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You are welcome morgana.  Yes, I created them from the Glenmullen symptom list.  You will need to download the Excel spreadsheet to use it.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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hi chessiecat, i downloaded the excell but it wont let me type in the boxes

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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You probably need to enable editing.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

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I've checked and yes you do need to enable editing.

 

I've added a note below the download link so that other members know to do that.

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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hi chessiecat, no its doesnt allow me to use it, even when i allow for editing its saying i need to subscribe in order to use it which i do not want to pay any money...thats OK i am happy to use my table, as i have written it with the symptoms that i find the most problematic..also i am strengthening some glutes late this arvo...lol.  I have a pilates class and again on thursday...classes were all booked last week so couldnt go....how your glutes going and they getting a work out....lol

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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Microsoft is bloody horrible.

 

There is a popular free office suite that will read and write the usual MS Office documents, spreadsheets etc

 

You can give that a go at https://www.libreoffice.org/

 

Cheers

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own

 

Backdrop:  10mg olanzapine 2003-06.  3mg risperidone 2006-2014.  Abortive x-taper to aripiprazole Dec 2014, back to 10mg olanzapine after 3 weeks.

2015:  10 -> 7 1/2 -> 6 2/3 -> 5mg olanzapine using pill cutter

2018:  Finer taper liquid suspension 5mg to 2.5 Mar-Aug and hold

2019: Jan 2.5 | Eostre EMDR@2.1mg | Jul 1.625 | Oct 1.3

2020: Jan 1.214 | Apr 0.88 | July 0.69 | Oct 0.525

2021: Jan EMDR@0.44 | Apr 0.38 | Jul 0.26

"Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you"  -- KMFDM

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hi hayduke, thanks for the link, but its OK i would prefer to just use the table i have already set up for myself, using a spreadsheet really isnt for me...but i will keep it in mind the link you showed me in case i ever need it...thanks

 

with my table i will just attach it to my signatary at the end of each page that is completed incase anyone is interested in seeing it..it would be good if i could just update the document that is attached each day but i dont think i can....thats OK....cheers.

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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hi hayduke thanks for that taperoff calculater really helped, i decided to slowly switch from solid to liquid over the next 6 months than  going by that calculator 2.5mg taper 5% every week and hold for 2 weeks after every 4 weeks that will take me 2 years to completely be off it....that  should be slow enough shouldnt it? sounds good to me...what do you reackon? However you have gone for a 2.5%  taper every week....it would take me 4 years to get off it.if i went 2.5%...thats a long time!

 

Yeah i have been watching the benzo water tapering on youtube videos they are really helpful too....i have a 1 ml syringe i could use it would be easy to take out .02 of a ml with that if i wanted to , i also have a 1ml pippette but that gets air bubbles in it and only has 1/4 increments on it....i will need to take a better look at each one to find which one i find easier to use...i have time...thanks for your advice, very very helpful...cheers morgana

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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@morgana all any of us can really do to start is plan an initial rate to taper.  All the pioneers who showed it was possible when you go slowly advise no more than 10% per month. 

 

Even if you are one of the lucky few who can taper faster, you will still want to start at 10%/mo.  Once you've done a month or two at that rate, if you are listening to your body and self monitoring for any trouble symptoms, and not having undue issues with mundane things like work, land lords, banks, neighbours etc, you can see if you wanted to try say 12.5%/mo the next month.  And so on.

 

But hardly anyone does get away with more than that, and for people who've been on this stuff for years and years we probably have to go a bit slower.

 

You might find that 7.5%/mo works better for you, say.

 

Once you have the hang of the process and are attuned to your body's feedback, you might say well this month is easy and low stress, I might go for a bigger cut, but next month will be tough so I'll hold for that.  Etc etc.

 

The gist of all this is that the speed of the taper isn't something you decide because it fits your calendar.  Your body has to be able to keep up with the cuts you make, and that's about all there is to it.  If you go faster than it can keep up with, it just makes more suffering that you could have avoided by going slower.

 

You can no more will yourself to taper faster than your body will let you, than you can will yourself to heal a sprained ankle in half an hour.  The underlying processes are physical.

 

If I could have just decided to taper off in six months and got away with it, you can bet I would have.  I'm really going as fast as I can without upsetting the applecart or making life unbearably uncomfortable.  And it's why I have no answer to your question of where my taper will hit zero.

 

Try 10%/mo to start and see if you can manage it for a while, then decide your next moves.

 

Cheers

 

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own

 

Backdrop:  10mg olanzapine 2003-06.  3mg risperidone 2006-2014.  Abortive x-taper to aripiprazole Dec 2014, back to 10mg olanzapine after 3 weeks.

2015:  10 -> 7 1/2 -> 6 2/3 -> 5mg olanzapine using pill cutter

2018:  Finer taper liquid suspension 5mg to 2.5 Mar-Aug and hold

2019: Jan 2.5 | Eostre EMDR@2.1mg | Jul 1.625 | Oct 1.3

2020: Jan 1.214 | Apr 0.88 | July 0.69 | Oct 0.525

2021: Jan EMDR@0.44 | Apr 0.38 | Jul 0.26

"Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you"  -- KMFDM

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hi hayduke, i cannot sleep its 2am in the morning....i rested during the day for 4 hours...i wished i could say it was a nap or a deep sleep..but unfortunatley that doesnt happen anymore...i am unable to go into a deep sleep....just feels like my body is resting deeply.....thanks for your advice...you are nearly at the end of your road.....do you go into nice deep sleeps?. Is that something i can  one day look forward to?  I get angry sometimes looking back on my life....being given a chemical lobotomy...i no longer think, my vocabulary is non existant, memory is shot, i used to enjoy drawing, dancing, singing....i no longer do any of that....i am basicaly mute these days apart from thinking about what i am going to prepare for dinner and breakfast... what i am going to do in the garden and where i am going to go for a walk for the day...i know i have brain damage from these drugs, however their is nothing i can do about it....they would just say it was from the daily alcohol i drank......i did a video of myself and posted it on Youtube 7 months ago...you can tell i have brain damage looking back at it.....i was incapable of expressing myself with words, and i couldnt think or remember anything.....i would like to do another video of myself and see if their is any difference with the way i express myself...have i improved...or gotten any worse i wonder...will my thoughts and imagination ever come back in time i wonder.....

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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@morgana I think a lot of that extended discomfort is from the big jumps in dosage you've made.  You're experiencing first hand what happens when you make cuts bigger than 10% at a time.  Between April and May according to your sig you made a 50% cut over a month or two!  That will take some more time for your body to catch up.

 

Poor sleep is one of the big signs to hold until it comes back to normal.  I usually get 6-8 hours, occasionally more.  Much or most of the time I do sleep pretty well.  Otherwise I hold until I do.

 

I would go back on the solid form of the tablet 100%, there's no sense reducing your dosage or changing brand or mode of ingestion in any way until you do start feeling ok.

 

All that cognition, sleep etc should come back as you stabilise and get further off the drug later on. 

 

Evidently I was misdiagnosed when this all started which I won't go into, but for me it was also essential to deal with the underlying problems so they would not reemerge as the sedation wears off, and I found a clinical psychologist who specialises in trauma.  I've written a fair bit about the EMDR that un****ed my brain already.  So ultimately I'm in the process of recovering from complex PTSD.  That will take time, and I expect my cognition, language, memory, energy levels etc to gradually improve.

 

That said, getting off the drug is a longer road than just healing the trauma.  Then there will be the year/s where my body fully adapts to not having the drug at all, no one expects that to be an overnight thing.

 

If anything this process teaches you patience...again, and again, and again...look after yourself along the way eh.  Lots of good threads on self care in the forums here - meditation, nature, yoga, diet and others.

 

 

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own

 

Backdrop:  10mg olanzapine 2003-06.  3mg risperidone 2006-2014.  Abortive x-taper to aripiprazole Dec 2014, back to 10mg olanzapine after 3 weeks.

2015:  10 -> 7 1/2 -> 6 2/3 -> 5mg olanzapine using pill cutter

2018:  Finer taper liquid suspension 5mg to 2.5 Mar-Aug and hold

2019: Jan 2.5 | Eostre EMDR@2.1mg | Jul 1.625 | Oct 1.3

2020: Jan 1.214 | Apr 0.88 | July 0.69 | Oct 0.525

2021: Jan EMDR@0.44 | Apr 0.38 | Jul 0.26

"Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you"  -- KMFDM

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hi hayduke, you do make a rational answer to my problems...i am 50 years old, if i go back on solids until i can sleep and then slowly change to liquid which could take upto a 6 months to a year and then slowly taper over a 2 year or more taper to be off it....i wil be over 55 years old....that would mean 29 years on this ****.....that certernly is patience....lol...sorry i am laughing because if i dont i will probably cry...lol...i have read horror stories that people have been off zyprexa for 6 years and still do not sleep.......boy i wished i had heard of this site before i started tapering....maybe i wouldnt be in the situation i am in right now!

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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Yeah @morgana, but what else are you going to do?¬† ūüôā

 

You will probably find it way more manageable once you're steady and doing a finer controlled taper.  That way you can start taking pleasure in life again as you go...it's the only way to fly if you ask me. 

 

You can also see why a lot of anger might come up at being put in these situations, I've written a fair bit on the need for healthy outlets for it and some of the things that work for me.

 

And part of the healing process, drugged or not, means working through and releasing the hard stuff.

 

Cheers

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own

 

Backdrop:  10mg olanzapine 2003-06.  3mg risperidone 2006-2014.  Abortive x-taper to aripiprazole Dec 2014, back to 10mg olanzapine after 3 weeks.

2015:  10 -> 7 1/2 -> 6 2/3 -> 5mg olanzapine using pill cutter

2018:  Finer taper liquid suspension 5mg to 2.5 Mar-Aug and hold

2019: Jan 2.5 | Eostre EMDR@2.1mg | Jul 1.625 | Oct 1.3

2020: Jan 1.214 | Apr 0.88 | July 0.69 | Oct 0.525

2021: Jan EMDR@0.44 | Apr 0.38 | Jul 0.26

"Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you"  -- KMFDM

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i am scared of reinstating back to solid 100% and seeing no improvement in sleep...i read about people who go back on or increase the dosage, but see no improvement....why does changing it to liquid affect me, i am still using the same dosage?...also i have been on this liquid for nearly 3 weeks now...maybe i should sit and  just continue and not change it anymore, as i have started i dont want to keep changing back down again...what do you think i should do manymoredays and chessiecat or anyone else out there? should i go back to !00% solid?

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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If you're feeling worse after you crossed over to the liquid portion and it's only been a fortnight I reckon going back to solid might help.

 

If there's no difference in wd symptoms since, it's up to you.  Whichever you decide, hold steady afterwards.  Once everything's settled down the track and you're feeling better your nervous system can cope with these sorts of changes better.  You might want to page the others in your own thread.

 

Cheers

 

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own

 

Backdrop:  10mg olanzapine 2003-06.  3mg risperidone 2006-2014.  Abortive x-taper to aripiprazole Dec 2014, back to 10mg olanzapine after 3 weeks.

2015:  10 -> 7 1/2 -> 6 2/3 -> 5mg olanzapine using pill cutter

2018:  Finer taper liquid suspension 5mg to 2.5 Mar-Aug and hold

2019: Jan 2.5 | Eostre EMDR@2.1mg | Jul 1.625 | Oct 1.3

2020: Jan 1.214 | Apr 0.88 | July 0.69 | Oct 0.525

2021: Jan EMDR@0.44 | Apr 0.38 | Jul 0.26

"Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you"  -- KMFDM

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Hi morgana, @morgana

This is your Introduction.  And this is where you should keep discussions around your taper.  That way we have everything here, in context.

I just split off several in a string of posts, around your taper, and your specific case, from haydukes topic.

 

This way, haydukes topic contains haydukes specifics, and yours contains yours.  And then when any of us want to get familiar, or respond, or support either of you, we would do it on the individual Intro topic.

 

And yes, definitely agree, that going back to solid 2.5 mg Zyprexa might be your best option. 

Back on the 16th of November, this was offered to you as well:

  

On 11/16/2020 at 2:44 PM, Altostrata said:

Why are you taking part of your 2.5mg Zyprexa dose in liquid form? Suggest you go back to all-solid Zyprexa. That at least will remove one variable from the situation, while you wait for your system to settle down from the alcohol effects.

 

Keep in mind too, that when tapering, when that time comes, that you do want to base each taper, on the previous dose.  You do not want to just go down by a set amount each taper.

 

How is everything going today?  Are you working with a counselor at this point?  Are you feeling any more recovered from the alcohol consumption recently.  It can take some time to recover and feel stable enough to resume tapering again after things like alcohol during tapering and WD.  It set you back, in other words.  You may not wish to taper again for several months now.

 

I also whole heartedly agree with hayduke, that you did do some rather large tapers initially, prior to arrival here and that too, is a good reason to stay put, or just HOLD, for a bit longer.

 

And best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

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Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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17 hours ago, morgana said:

yeah i saw your graph, it is basically a continuious withdrawal....where what i have been doing is sitting on the same amount for a year and then reducing it...not very small increments over shorter periods like you are doing....which sounds your idea is a much better idea....i am still thinking about how i am going to taper.....was thinking i am on 3/4 solid of zyprexa and 1/4 liquid of a 2.5mg tablet....i was thinking if i sit on 1/4 tablet with 30ml water for 2 or 3 months and than start tapering that liquid by .25ml  from a 1 ml pipette every 3 months until that 30mls is gone and then sit on 1/2 solid and the next 1/4 liquid sit for a couple of months and continue until that 30mls is all gone...that way i am still on solid  until i am ready to change to liquid taper....once i have finished the 1/2 tablet of liquid taper, i just cut the tablet in half with a pill cutter throw 1/2  in the bin and just begin the whole process again with the other 1/2 tablet...rather than completely change to 2.5mg liquid taper and then begin tapering from there....it wont be very accurate my way but the truth is i really dont understand mirco tapering....i am better at someone showing me how to do something rather than reading it..... do you think i would experience too bad a withdrawal symptoms doing it my way?  also time wise how long do you think all up it will take you to get from 2.5mg tablet to zero in years doing it your way? let me know cheers morgana

 

Hi again,

Please also see post above this to you.

I left this on haydukes Introduction, and then also quoted it over here to your topic, where it belongs.  Seems like part of it was in response to haydukes graph.

 

morgana, I think if I were you, I would go back to solid 2.5 mg Zyprexa.  And then with further WD stability do a more cautious cross over to some or all liquid.  And then.......taper accurately from there. 

Stability

 

I did bold your question in the quote.  And I don't think it's worth risking it by doing it your way.  As I said in my first post, you will want to do a taper of 10% or less, from each previous dose, not a set taper amount each time, or a percentage drop from your starting dose only, each time.  I think that it might present a problem, doing it your way......as it is inaccurate in this regard.

 

Happy to go over this some more, when the time comes.  Meanwhile I think that all the links are here, that might help your understanding and planning......here, in your Introduction.  So my best advice, go on back and look and read and if you don't understand then ask us, right here.  Or maybe there is another link you might need to refer to.

 

We are very happy to give you specific instructions.  Just ask.  And then if you don't understand, ask again.

 

Also, there is no race to the finish line here.  You've got time, to understand what you are doing, and to taper properly.

Accuracy, consistency does matter.

 

The rule of 3KI's, simple, slow, stable

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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thankyou manymoredays i will go back on 100% solid as of tonight....i saw a psychologist 2 weeks ago for the first time, it went well basically just gave him my history...but he said he would support me with my withdrawal which i really wanted and needed....he said we would need to deal with the alcohol which i havnt had since the beginning of November....and i just bought two books on CBT to help me understand what it is....it seems the books have been written about me on every page when it comes to anxiety.....i never realised how much fear i am in....lol.  I see the pschologist every 2 weeks and i see him this wednesday....looking forward to it....and i owe hayduke a big thankyou for his advice and support too..thanks for getting back to me...i knew hayduke was right i just needed a bigger nudge thats all from someone else..thanks

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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hello i really do not understand where i ask someone a question....and were i am suppose to put it...anyway i was wondering if anyone knows if generic medications work just as well as the original brand....i have used generic medication for period pain, it basically did not work...so am curious would that be the same for anti-pyschotic medications aswell...if so i might was well as take a generic as it would be like not even using a anti-pyschotic....any advice would be helpful to know...or should i take the original olanzapine so it is constant?  at the moment i just get generic....have been for years now....let me know morgana

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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Hi morgana, @morgana

If you have a question about a specific topic, then it's good to check for the topic first.  Then post your question in topic.

Your introduction is a good place to post any questions you have too.  Just one introduction, per member

though, so.......or hence, I moved your post here so you can also read the related topic. (moved back to your introduction, so here is the link to one related topic)

Myths About Your Drugs

 

So to do a search for a topic, what I usually do is from my main browser(off site) I type in survivingantidepressants.org and then the topic of interest.  In this case I typed in brand name versus generic medication.

First topic that came up was: change in drug manufacturer or generic substituted for brand name drug

And then, as I am pretty familiar with topics that are here, I remembered this one, the Myths link, above, which is where I put your post tonight. 

 

And then, also added an @ with your name so you would see it, when you were signed in again(you'll get a little notification at the top of your screen).

 

 

 

And if you have been on the same generic of olanzapine for years now, I don't think you have anything to worry about.  I am hoping you can stay with the same generic olanzapine now, and for the duration.

 

Maybe the generic medication you used for period pain, just did not work.  I don't know.  I don't see it listed in your signature.

You can, and should, always check a medication before taking it too,  Drugs.com is a great site to do that at.  Type in the medication by name at the top, and you'll get several informative posts about any medication.  You can and should always check interactions too, and you'll see where to do that there.

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

* and thanks Ccat, for further organization B)

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added link to topic to post, TY

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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16 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

And then, as I am pretty familiar with topics that are here, I remembered this one, which is where I put your post tonight.

 

I've moved the posts to morgana's Introduction topic.

 

Here's the topic which it was moved from:

 

myths-about-your-drugs

 

 

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Hi everyone, i went back to 2.5mg zyprexa in 100% solid form as i wasnt sleeping the best....still not really sleeping, but on Friday morning at 8 am in the morning a whole heap of police had turned up out the front of my house with all the neighbours outside, (something going on in the street)....well i didnt hear a thing, got outa bed at 11 am in the morning....maybe i am actually sleeping as i didnt hear a thing?....lol

 

also i wanted to go on a disability pension as i thought that would be best in order to heal and was in the process of getting my psychologist and medical records all organised and i ended up getting a job/.... 

My employment officer made me apply for a job, and as usual whenever i go for an interview...i get it!

 

I am worried i  need to start at 6 am in the morning....i do not feel i fall asleep until about 4 am in the morning......this stresses me out worrying about not getting up in the morning and not resting enough...as the less rest i get the worst i feel...i have already accepted the position...and once all the paperwork is done i will probably start next week....i told the employer about my mental illness and i had to reassure him i will have no problems doing my job...my employment officer is thrilled...but i am not..

 

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Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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Only 1 Introduction topic per member please.  This keeps your history in one place.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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Hello chessiecat how you going...its probably a stupid question....but is there a post of all the i guess symptoms people have experienced since going off their pyschotic medications..eg such things as joint pains, stomach pains, insomonia....i guess people who have been off their medications for say atleast a year or two.....are they for example still experiencing any lingering pains in their body....i do read people success stories....but i only randomly find someone who lists the symptoms they are still experiencing a few years down the track....i am just wondering if their is actually a post by people who say yes no symptoms of that anymore, but yes still ongoing symptoms with that....does that question make sense....? 

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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It's important to realise that whilst we have been on a psychiatric drug for many years, like we both have, during that time our bodies have been ageing as well.  And of course women go through menopause which causes a lot of changes to the body.  And it is a know fact that as people get older their sleep patterns change.

 

It is difficult to know what is the cause of our current physical issues but I think that at least some of them would be from our bodies not being the same as they were when we were younger.

 

There are topics about the things you mentioned.  Use a search engine and add site:survivingantidepressants.org to the search term to find them.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

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Hello chessiecat, i understand i am getting old and going through menapause and know my body is changing....however, it is very strange how most of my symptoms only started happening when i began reducing my medication....i have problems with hives now...i have problems with weight gain, joint pains, stomach pains, lower back pain and pain between my shoulder blades, anxiety.....i have always been a very active person my whole life...please do not tell me that what i am experiencing is just womens hormones and getting old...my mother is 80 years old and still does 12 km bushwalks....so its not genetics...healthy as....docs and reseachers know that people on these drugs die alot sooner than those who are not on them...due to health reasons..and i hope their reading this...you know you say you are supportive...well honestly all i have been told by moderators is dont type here

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg disolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to present

Supplements: fish oil, Magnesium 

 

 

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I did not say that is was not due to the drug.  All I did was list other things that might cause issues or contribute to the issues.

 

15 minutes ago, morgana said:

you know you say you are supportive...well honestly all i have been told by moderators is dont type here

 

I have no idea what you mean by this statement.

 

If you can provide an example of this please do so that we know what you are referring to.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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If you have a look at the withdrawal symptom list you will see that there are a wide variety that can be experienced.  And I'm sure that the list is only the most common and that there are many others.  You only have to read some of the members Introduction topics and the symptoms that they describe.

 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist

 

The brain is responsible for all areas of the body and this is why we can experience different symptoms at different times and of varying intensity.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from July 2021:  Pristiq 0.13mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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8 hours ago, morgana said:

well honestly all i have been told by moderators is dont type here

Hi morgana,

I know I moved some of your posts back here, from haydukes topic, a little while back.

 

And mainly because the posts were more around your particulars.  Of course there was some back and forth too, with other members, which I tried to preserve for you.   Some here, and then some there.

 

Can you see how, if all your information is together, and right here in your or on your own Introduction, that then there is a certain flow to it, and if someone new comes on to help and support, it's all right here?  We won't miss anything.  We can also see what has been offered, so we don't have to repeat the same thing again.

 

And then the same goes for others' and their topics.  It's primarily their topic, with everything about them gathered there.  I know I almost missed haydukes update, when the topic shifted to you, asking for support over there.  I know it's tough now, and I hope you will accept this in the spirit given.  Healing spirit.

 

You can certainly go to others threads to support and encourage them.  And then ask them to come to yours too, if you want to ask more about your particulars, or your case.  Or feel like you would like more of their support and encouragement.

 

I hope that makes sense.  And hope you are doing well enough.  @morgana

Did you start working at a paying job?  And how is that going?

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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On 12/8/2020 at 1:03 AM, morgana said:

I am worried i  need to start at 6 am in the morning....i do not feel i fall asleep until about 4 am in the morning......this stresses me out worrying about not getting up in the morning and not resting enough...as the less rest i get the worst i feel...i have already accepted the position...and once all the paperwork is done i will probably start next week....i told the employer about my mental illness and i had to reassure him i will have no problems doing my job...my employment officer is thrilled...but i am not..

 

And hi again.  Just saw this post above.

When do you take your zypexa dose?

And if you take it late, then maybe moving it to an earlier hour will help with falling asleep earlier.

 

We usually recommend a gradual move, an hour at a time.  So for example, if you take it at midnight, then you would move it to 11pm first.  And then the next night to 10 pm, and so on.  Until you reach the new desired time to take your dose of zyprexa.

 

And anyway......did you start this week?  The job?  And how did it go morgana?

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16,  medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. 

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Hey morgana,

 

I've been tapering off olanzapine for about 4 years now, but not at the 10% rate because when I started I didn't know about that. I started my taper at 40mg! but I haven't been on it as long as you, I started in 2004. Even when I learned about the 10% rule I didn't really know how to implement it so I've been cutting my pills in quarters and eighths. I jumped to zero at 0.3mg

 

Sleep problems seems to be par for the course coming off Olanzapine. I've read so many stories about that online.

 

Next Wednesday (Jan 20) will be 7 weeks completely off it. Insomnia is my major problem right now, it is unrelenting. I take a bunch of supplement but they are only partially helpful and only some of the time. There are nights when I get no sleep at all.

 

Good luck coming off this drug, there a a few of us on this forum right now trying to quit, I hope we all succeed!

2004 - 2020: Olanzapine 40mg for schizophrenia (Started to taper in 2016, completely off December 2020, still have withdrawals)

2004 - present: Lorazepam/Clonazepam 1mg as needed, rarely use them

2004 - 2017: Venlafaxine 75mg for depression

2008 - present: Metformin 2000mg for diabetes

2008 - 2013: Lipitor 40mg for high cholesterol

2008 - 2018: Bezalip 400mg for high triglycerides

2013 - present: Crestor 40mg, 20mg , 10mg and now 5mg for high cholesterol

2016 - present: Forxiga 10mg for diabetes

2019 - present: Lurasidone 60mg for schizophrenia

2020 - 2021: Various supplements (100mg 5-HTP, 100mg l-theanine, 500mg GABA, Jamieson Herbal Complex (Relax and Sleep), 500mg Vitamin C, 400 IU Vitamin D, 12.5mg Zinc picolinate , 5mg Melatonin, CalmAid, 10mg CBD, 100mg l-theanine)

2021 - present: Reinstated Olanzapine for sleep, stopped working after a month, no longer on it, still have brutal withdrawal insomnia. Stopped all previous supplements. For sleep I now use: 1 mg clonazepam, 3000mg glycine, 700mg l-theanine/day.

I've tried some other drugs short term but discontinued them early due to side effects. I can't remember all their names, antidepressants and antipsychotics, was only on them for a week or so.

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Hi Morgana, just stopped by to leave you a word of encouragement. How is your taper going besides the joint pain? Keep updating your profile so we know what's going on with you. Hope you have a wonderful day! ūüėė

2007 - 15mg olanzapine, mood stabilizer, benzo, quetiapine 2009 - aripiprazol, benzo, lamotrigine 100mg 2015 - olzp 15mg, zolpidem 2017 - trazodone 2 weeks, cold turkey, lamotrigine and zolpidem, olzp 15mg, mood stabilizer, benzo 2018 - olzp 5mg, Nov olzp 2,5mg down directly from 5mg no symptoms 2019 - olzp 2,5mg cold turkey Jan after 12 days reinstated, cutting pills Nov 14 days reinstated 2,5mg 2020 - olzp 2,5 water taper by 2,5% 1,9mg (september) 45 days at 5mg, now at 2,5mg (28.10)

 

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