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On 11/13/2021 at 3:45 AM, morgana said:

hello @Altostrata hope your doing well, i was just watching a youtube podcast which you were discussing protracted withdrawal from anti depressants, it was very informative and i learnt alot

Is this still on YouTube and do you have a link? I would like for my son to watch it.

My son who is in withdrawal's history:

2006 - 2021 Started on Celexa 10mg, increased to 20mg then 40mg.

May 2021: Started to taper off. Down to 0mg by end of July under doctor's care.

September 2021 started 200mg magnesium twice per day, 1000mg fish oil once per day, Vitamin D3, and 100mg N-acetyl cysteine twice per day.

Oct. 12, 2021: Reinstated at 1mg liquid Celexa per day to hopefully alleviate intrusive thoughts (never had them before quitting Celexa).

Nov. 1, 2021: Was supposed to increase to 2mg Celexa per day, but he was accidentally only taking 0.1ml per day. 

Nov. 18, 2021: Increased to 2mg liquid Celexa per day after realizing he was not taking the correct dosage for 17 days.

Dec 29, 2021: Increased to 3mg liquid Celexa. Jan 31, 2022: Increased to 4mg liquid Celexa.

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Hey Morgana.  How's it all going?  Hope you are ok.

Cheers
Hayduke

I am not a health professional - your actions are your own.  

Please do not seek tapering support via private message

My taper visualised as a graph   |   My intro thread

Backdrop:  2003 10mg olanzapine | 2004 2-3mg risperidone | end 2014 3wks aripiprazole

2015: olanzapine  10 -> 7½ -> 6⅔ -> 5mg  by crude pill cutter

2018:  Mar 5.00mg -> water titrated taper -> Aug2.5mg tablet and hold

Jan 2019 2.50mg water titration -> Jan 2020 1.214  -> Jan 2021 0.44 -> 2 Oct 0.205 ->3 Oct ZERO🥂

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Hallo Morgana,

how are you? how is your sleep meanwhile ? 
was Reading some of your last messages. I can Imagine That Nobody Unterstand you about the sleep Problem. It is the Same with me i Cannot perceife sleep i cannot say if i was Sleeping or Not, i cannot feel a wake Up Point. Cannot say if i sleept or how Long. 
i think the Antipsychotica did That damage. 
do you still take the 2,5mg zyprexa ? 
do you Know the Zyprexa sleep Story of frasier ? 
sorry for the Questions ! 
Arti

Paroxetin  2003-2018 20mg, 4 Month fast tapper reinstate Jan2019 many updoses to 10mg again fast tapper quit at   1,5mg last last Dose May 2020

Trimipramin April 2019 10mg to 25mg 4 weeks last Dose April 2019

Dominal April 2019 - February 2021 40mg to 60mg fast tapper and ct at 23mg last Dose February 2021

Ativan May 2020 6 times 0,5mg irregular last Dose May 2020  

Diazepam june 10 times 5mg irregular thougt i got depency and decide to take a small Dose every day, july 2020      0,14mg tappering  every few weeks 

16th January 2022  Zero

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hello if anyone could give me advice it would be most appreciative..i am having problems with my liver...low enzymes...i take a digestive enzyme daily which is helping great...however i am told Milk Thistle is excellent for the liver...i would like to take it however does anyone know if it will reduce the amount of zyprexa in my system..i do not want to experience big withdrawal symptoms due to the cleansing affect on my liver...is that possible? let me know cheers morgana

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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I cannot answer your question about whether taking milk thistle will affect the amount of Zyprexa dose.

 

If you do decide to try milk thistle I suggest that you start with a very small amount and gradually increase it.

 

Also DO NOT make any other changes at the same time.  For instance you would not decrease or increase your Zyprexa, stop/start/increase anything else that you are taking.

 

It would be a good idea to keep notes for yourself of how it is affecting you / your symptoms.

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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ok thankyou @ChessieCat

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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I've moved your new topic to the existing topic:

 

vision-symptoms-floaters-snow-blurreddimmed-vision-twitching-dry-eyes-and-pain

 

I noticed that the topic also mentioned restless legs and problems with your skin.  You could post in the relevant topics about those:

 

non-drug-treatments-for-restless-legs

 

skin-issues-hives-acne-dryness-itching-etc

 

body-pain

 

 

 

Edited by ChessieCat

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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OK thankyou

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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hello if there is one out there who is wondering how my tapering is going....for 4 years i was travelling extremely bad with my tapering...i was going through hell...i was going through extreme mood swings from anger to depression....i was having extreme burning hot sweats and constant urinations...every time i made a change with my medication...i was having extreme joint pain in my feet that was continous for 4 years...daily dry eyes and end the end head aches due to the stress behind my eye balls...as i wasnt coping i continued to drink red wine daily...i was constantly craving food and alcohol...i put on 20 kilos while i have been tapering....basically i was in torture....about 5 to 6 weeks ago i began the Keto Diet and fasting only eating between a 4 to 6hr eating window a day....i have lost 4kilos so far....4 days ago i decided to go further and do the carnivore diet with only 1 meal a day....my pain in my feet have gone...finally after 4 years, the sores on my face have finally healed after 4 years, the cod liver oil i take takes away my dry eyes...i no longer think of food constantly and have no interest in drinking any alcohol....i feel so in control finally of my tapering and it basically isnt an issue for me...my anger and mood swings have disappeared and i feel cool, calm and collected....its i guess strange to say...but i feel like i am medicated again on large doses of zyprexa...just no anxiety....or feel good!...and i feel like i am coping with my tapering with very little effort....there is a youtube channel with a guy called bipolar_carnivore......he was on meds since 6 years of age,...he is doing really well with no symptoms and is off his meds after 10years....please look up Keto diet youtube channels by Doctors who say it helps with mood and mental health problems...i can honestly say it works....and has helped me immensely..... 

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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Hi, so glad to hear from you, I was worried with your silence. I am glad you have found something that helps you. Food is very powerful. I felt a huge difference since I became plant based so I understand why you are so excited. I hope everything continues to work well for you I was happy to hear you're feeling better ☺️.

2007 - 15mg olanzapine, mood stabilizer, benzo, quetiapine 2009 - aripiprazol, benzo, lamotrigine 100mg 2015 - olzp 15mg, zolpidem 2017 - trazodone 2 weeks, cold turkey, lamotrigine and zolpidem, olzp 15mg, mood stabilizer, benzo 2018 - olzp 5mg, Nov olzp 2,5mg down directly from 5mg no symptoms 2019 - olzp 2,5mg cold turkey Jan after 12 days reinstated, cutting pills Nov 14 days reinstated 2,5mg 2020 - failed liquid taper, reinstated 2,5mg, 2022 - started tapering líquid 2,5% reductions in January, now at 2,25mg holding untill October due to psychotic symptoms.

 

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Hi @Rrsfc thankyou for responding...i tried so hard on the plant based diet....but it just didnt help me...i actually became worse on it....constantly hungry and thinking of food...constantly bloated...mood swings....i ate too much pasta and too much Indian food...and once i started the carbs...i couldnt stop and the constant need to drink water just washed away any nutrients i did take in...and the constant burning hot sweats and constant urination and just kept wanting more sugar(carb) from the alcohol...and still never felt satisfied....now i do! and my symptoms are nearly 90% gone....brain fog is gone.....i just feel so alert and my memory is getting better...i feel more with it...i naturally feel good!....i have loads of energy and do not have that afternoon slump...that i was soo use it...and just needed to sleep.....i can work 9.5hrs straight psychical cleaning work in one day without a coffee break...i no longer need to get my legs and feet massaged every week as they feel no pain!...still no deep sleep yet...but i do go into dream state sleep and  wake up feeling i can do a 3 hr cleaning job the next day and not need to try and sleep in the arvo...which is a positive...i really feel good and this has only started since the Keto diet 5 to 6 weeks ago and still feeling good the whole time! it cannot be a window because i have only felt this way since beginning the Keto diet so it must be because of that!....i think its amazing how i can taper 0.02mls a week and feel so stable in mood...before Keto just reducing by 0.01ml a week killed me!...i am just glad i found what worked for me...and i actually feel i am starting to heal and moving in a positive direction for the first time in 4 years!....its amazing how what you consume can affect your mind sooo much...as they say if your gut is healthy your mind is too...that statement is so true....thankyou for thinking of me Rrsfc and hope your doing well too on your journey...cheers

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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That is great to hear, @morgana, so glad you're doing better and found something that helps!

Remeron - 2004-2005 (bad withdrawal)

Clonazepam - 2005-2018 (jumped around March)

Olanzapine - 2014- late 2017

Domperidone - 2008-2018

Many drugs in between including Lexapro, other benzos and z-drugs.

Still suffering post-withdrawal from Clonazepam (Klonopin), Olanzapine and Domperidone. 

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Nice to see you back @morgana and even nicer to see you in that positive state after all those tough years. Praying for your continued smooth taper. 

On 15th June 2020 ,Started to taper 6.25mg olanzapine at the rate of 2.5% of the previous dose every 2 weeks.

13th Nov 2020 - 5mg of olanzapine, 900mg of sodium valproate, 0.25 mg of clonazepam

2020 Dec - 5mg olanzapine, 900mg sodium valproate, 5 mg valium. 

Dec 15th - 5mg olanzapine, 800mg sodium valproate, 4mg valium. 

Jan 11th 2021- 5mg olanzapine, 800mg sodium valproate, 1 mg valium. 

Feb 2nd - 4.88mg olanzapine, 800mg sodium valproate, 0mg valium. 

March 1st- 4.75mg olanzapine, 800mg 

sodium valproate( currently holding SV )

March 9th - 4.63mg olanzapine.April 1st 4.5 April 15th 4.39,1st may 4.27,10thmay 4.16, 20th may 4.05,30th may3.95,15th june3.85, 25th June 3.75, 5th July 3.65, 17th July 3.55, 1st Aug 3.45, 23rd Aug 3.37

6th Sept 3.28, 17th Sept 3.20, 10th Oct 3.12, 21 Oct 3.03 , 1 Nov 2.95 , 11 Nov 2.88,

21 Nov 2.8 , 4 Dec 2.73 , 18 Dec 2.66 , 10 Jan 2022 2.59 , 31 Jan 2.52 , 14 Feb 2.5,1st Apr 2.44,17Apr2.37, 3may2.31, 17may2.25, 30may2.19, 20Jun2.13, 5jul2.07

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Great to hear from you @morgana and really pleased you are feeling much better after all your struggle. I too believe diet to be a powerful thing. I haven’t gone for any specific type of diet but I have made sure I eat more fruit and vegetables daily and it definitely helped doing that. Glad you have found something that works for you. X

 

Sept 2018 - Nov 2018 200mg sertraline, 7.5mg olanzapine. 

Nov 2018 - Jan 2018 200mg sertraline, 30mg mirtazapine, 7.5mg olanzapine.

Jan 2019 - mid Feb 2019 reduced sertraline from 200 - 50mg, 7.5mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine.

Feb 2019- Jun 2019 30mg mirtazapine, 50mg sertraline, 7.5mg olanzapine.

Jun 2019 - Oct 2019 30mg mirtazapine, 50mg sertraline, 5mg olanzapine.

Oct 2019 - Nov 2019 37.gmg sertraline, 39mg mirtazapine, 5mg olanzapine.

Nov 2019 -Dec 2019 25mg sertraline, 30mg mirtazapine, 5mg olanzapine. Jan 2020 18.75mg sertraline, 5mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine. Feb 2020 0mg sertraline, 2.5mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine. May 2020 1.8mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine. Aug 2020 2.5mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine. Stabilised for 9 months @2.5mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine. May2021 started slow taper from olanzapine, 5% previous dose per month. Oct 2021 1.875mg olanzapine, 30mg mirtazapine.

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thankyou everyone for the support...i think we are all unique and need to find what works for us...so far i have found what works for me!...finally after 4 years...lol

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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12 hours ago, morgana said:

.i really feel good and this has only started since the Keto diet 5 to 6 weeks ago and still feeling good the whole time! it cannot be a window because i have only felt this way since beginning the Keto diet so it must be because of that!....i think its amazing how i can taper 0.02mls a week and feel so stable in mood...before Keto just reducing by 0.01ml a week killed me!...i am just glad i found what worked for me...and i actually feel i am starting to heal and moving in a positive direction for the first time in 4 years!.

 

This is really good news.  It might be that your liver is starting to work better and therefore processing the drug differently than it was before.

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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yes @ChessieCat, i think my liver is working better....but only since taking the digestive enzymes and bile salts....for the past 4 years ...sorry for talking about stools...but they are very important....they were very pale and always floating which is a bad sign.(pancreatitis)..since changing my diet and adding these supplements, i no longer get reflux pain...and my stools look really good...also i drink 2x cups of Kale drink every night before bed...i think this is also really good for my liver...6 months ago i was told i was low on iron...as i ate very little meat....and i had high liver enzymes and high colestrol....in 3 months time i will have my checks again and hopefully see an improvement in my liver...i did see a dietitian 2 weeks ago and the fat around my organs had dropped by 13cm....which is a good sign also....cheers

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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I've been doing a carnivore diet to assist my fluoxetine tapering for almost 3 months now.

 

It helped me taper off relatively fast without big side effects, but then a few weeks ago my cortisol spiked out of control and hasn't stabilized since. I am being forced to reinstate.

 

happy for @morgana anyways, I hope you keep improving.

 

 

 

 

🌬️Wim Hof Method practitioner ❄️

 

SSRI history:

Paroxetine: 2008 - 2010

Paroxetine: 2012 - 2015

Wellbutrin, Escitalopram: 2015 (briefly)

Paroxetine: 2015 - 2021 (bridged to Fluoxetine)

Fluoxetine: 2021 (18mg, gradually decreasing)

 

100% passionate about life, not willing to give up!

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hi @goggins, i know when my cortisol levels are rising i have hot sweats and constant urination...while i was on the healthy keto diet..i didnt experience any of these symptoms. However 4 days ago i started the carnivore and have had hot sweats a couple of times now...so i know my cortisol levels have increased while doing carnivore...i think we may need to add some leafy greens and veggies until cortisol stabilizes would rather do that than increase meds..there is a youtube channel for Dr Eric Berg he shows you how to do the healthy Keto diet...i had no problems with cortisol while doing Keto which i was on it for about 5 weeks...cheers...keep me posted...

Cipramil  40mg  1996 to October 2017 stopped cold turkey

Zyprexa 10mg solid form  1996 to October 2017

Zyprexa 7.5mg solid form  October 2017 to October 2019

Zyprexa 5mg solid form  October 2019 to April 2020

Zyprexa 3.75mg solid form April 2020 to May 2020

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid form  May 2020 to feb 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg solid 3/4 and 1/4 liquid w/ 5mls water 6th Feb 2021 to 2nd April 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid and 1/2 liquid w/10mls water 3rd April to 26th June 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg dissolved in 25mls of water from 27th june 2021 to 22nd Oct 2021

Zyprexa 2.5mg 1/2 solid, 1/2 dissolved in 10mls of water from 23rd Oct 21 to present

 

 

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