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tezza

I was raised by Baptist believing parents and reincarnation was not an acceptable thought. Now, I've begun to think and wonder about it. I feel like I'm nearing the end of this lifetime and can't help wondering what's next. I know the soul or spirit lives on.

 

I'm really tired of this endurance as it is. I don't foresee this lifetime getting any better. I can only hope the next one is better.

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Barbarannamated

Tezza,

Your message resonates with me strongly. I don't have any religious beliefs, but I believe that our souls - our energy - lives on. This past year+ has been 'interesting' in regard to this. I have always steered away from those professing to be able to 'see' (future, past). They are big in the horse world - Animal Communicators.

Since beginning my taper, I've had several people - including total strangers - say something to me about knowing me from previous life. It freaked me out! I finally accepted it was a message that I was supposed to receiving. The occurrences were so random, unrelated and without apparent motive (no benefit to other person or harm/benefit to me). It seemed to be a message that "there IS more". Just writing this is strange for me!

Even from the time I was a kid, I couldn't envision a long life or being 'old and gray'. (Altho' one look in a mirror takes care of that 'gray' picture :-/ ) I don't know what that means, but it's something that's been with me for a long time and I'm ok with it.

I hope my jibberish makes sense. The whole world of quantum physics is foreign, but fascinating to me.

Love, Barb

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tezza

Yes, it does make sense to me, Barb. I'm intrigued by these ideas and I do think there's more going on than we can see and/or realize. I can't imagine you old and gray...I've always pictured you as a petite little blonde for some reason. Lol, I suppose I could have been wrong. It's funny how we get an image in our mind like that. I still can't imagine you old, to me (in my mind's eye) you will still be youthful looking. (Hope you don't mind)

 

Love,

Tezza

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Barbarannamated

Very close! Blonde covers gray... blonde fades to gray...

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tezza

Short hair style? That's what I imagined..

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tezza

Anyway I think you must be beautiful in this lifetime!

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Barbarannamated

Yep - very short hair! Thank you, Tezza!

 

I hope Shanti or others check in on this discussion. I've done a bit of reading on the subject, but always try to align things with my science paradigm - we know how well that served me in the past :( It's still a tendency. I am very cautious to guard my mind about these matters because I'm naive and there are many out there who take advantage/exploit people like me. One day early in withdrawal (before knowing why I was feeling crazy), I went to chat with an old friend who is a psychiatrist at a med school. Well, didn't end up seeing him, but came across another psychiatrist on faculty who shocked the ____ outa me! Less than traditional western medicine! He openly discusses past lives and transpersonal issues. It's still hard for me to wrap my head around him being on staff at a U of CA med school!

http://www.drrogerwalsh.com/about/

 

Some people are able to recall details of past. Not me. I admit, the whole concept - though I believe it - still unsettles me. My paradigms are not aligned.... cognitive dissonance... !

 

I've found Judith Orloff, MD, very interesting also. I read her book, Second Sight, then met her at a talk she gave. Intriguing.

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Jemima

I'm Baptist, and I don't believe there is any such thing as reincarnation. The Bible says that we have one life, and after that, the judgment.

 

And thank goodness for that. I would not care to live forever in this rotten, screwed-up world.

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Skyler

Hi tezza, I'm a 'recovering fundamentalist' (my roots are conservative Baptist, born again variety).. Hats off to you for sharing your belief. We have different takes on what is coming after we die. I read alternet.org daily and put the link thru to their belief section. You might find some of their articles to be of interest, LOL, or not. ~S

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Karma

I'm not religious, but I am spiritual ... I believe in reincarnation and I believe I've had many incarnations.

 

My father had a near-death experience when I was in my 20s and he was able to describe what occurred in the operating room - he decided to return to this life and he didn't believe in reincarnation. He told me about it because I was the one person he trusted who was open to the possibilities.

 

There is a book by Anita Moorjani called Dying to Be Me http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/Articles/The-Day-I-Died.aspx that gives a fascinating account of her near-death experience. She says, "I then understood that even if my physical body stopped, everything is still perfect in the greater tapestry of life, for we never truly die." She had a miraculous healing from cancer.

 

I am fascinated by accounts of past-life regression where people are able to discover things from past-lives holding them back in this life ... Brian Weiss conducts past-life therapy and his accounts are interesting. I've read about Edgar Cayce who was considered a holistic healer - they said he was able to go into a meditative state and provide readings for people - some included past lives. He was also a church goer and Sunday school teacher.

 

Whether you believe or not, it is fascinating ... and I am open to those who do not believe ... but if asked, yes, I believe.

 

Karma

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Nikki

Fascinating topic. "Many Masters, Many Lives" is a great book by Dr. Bran Weiss about a patient he treated for major anxiety only to find out under hypnosis that she had been reincarnated many, many times.

 

Maybe I was reincarnated many, many times :P and that's why I have anxiety....

 

If you haven't read this book - get it.

 

Hugs

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Barbarannamated

Fascinating subject that I used to dismiss as bunk. Then I met someone who remembered past lives in detail. This person has odd anxieties thought to stem from previous lives.

 

It's alot to wrap my head around but I do believe.

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tezza

I would rather consider myself spiritual as opposed to religious. I do wish to be Christ-like, for His example to us was to love one another unconditionally. Religion is judgmental IMHO. Christ neither judged or condemned others. I do believe in reincarnation.

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Rhiannon

Count me as another believer in reincarnation. It was never really a question for me. I first came across the word when I was about 13 and I was, like, "aha! so THAT's what it's called!" (I'm old enough that reincarnation wasn't talked about all over the place when I was that age. Very pre-New-Age.) There are still a couple of references to reincarnation in the Bible (most of them were edited out at the Council of Nicaea, I've been told) and when I was a kid in Sunday school I could never get my teachers to answer my questions about them. So I guess I've always known. Or maybe just since the time I died and came back when I was 7 or 8 years old, it's possible it started then.

 

Anyway, I've had some past life memories, and once you get hit by one of those it will definitely open your mind to the possibility. My favorite book on the subject of what happens between lives is Journey of Souls by Michael Newman.

 

As far as science and skepticism on the subject of life, death, consciousness, and spiritual matters: We have brains that were evolved to keep us from being eaten by tigers, help us find the best patch of berries, and generally get our genes into the next generation. I think it's poignant that we have this desire to understand a Universe that exists in probably an infinite number of dimensions, using brains that can at best barely conceive of four of them. I also think it's ludicrous to assume we understand much of anything.

 

I think TRUE skepticism has to include being skeptical that our "best knowledge at the moment" is any more correct or accurate than our best knowledge at any point in the past was, and also being skeptical that the way our little brains and perceptual systems sort all the information coming in to them is somehow "right". (For example, if we saw only infrared, or gamma radiation, or if we saw the way flies see, things would look much different than they do; yet somehow the way we see, the tiny part of energy that our eyes can perceive visibly, with our primate brains, is the right one...?)

 

So probably even the concept of reincarnation, as we use it, is very limited compared to whatever the truth is, about the nature of consciousness, and identity, and life and death. But one thing I'm pretty sure about, having knocked on the door a couple of times in my lifetime, is that death isn't something to fear. It's a glorious homecoming.

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tezza

When I was a baby, too young to talk, I had an experience that I'd always thought was a dream. It would come to mind time and again and again throughout my life. A few years ago I realized that it wasn't a dream.

 

I was very sick and my mother was laying me down on her bed. Somehow I knew that my mother was terribly worried about me. After she layed me on the bed I went through a very, very dark space. I thought I was traveling on a microscopic line that was straighter than any line I could ever imagine. It seemed that I went a long, long way before I stopped. I don't remember a light or a voice but I knew I had to go back and remember thinking it was going to take a long time to get back because I had come so far. I was back in an instant. I was not laying quite in the middle of the bed. The bed was made and I was lying on top of a white, chenille bedspread. I was wearing black patent leather shoes and white socks, cuffed down with a lace trim. My tongue felt thick and strange during the experience.

 

I was told that I almost died when I was nine months old. I don't remember anything before or after the experience. I assume we had been somewhere because I had on dress shoes, lacy socks and a dress but I don't remember what the dress looked like.

 

I don't fear death, either, I view it as a new beginning.

 

When my youngest son was only a couple of years old, he would see a picture in a magazine and point to it and say something like - that was me in another life. He knew things he couldn't have known unless he existed before. For instance, he knew the makes of automobiles at the age of two. He knew his colors before they were taught. If I spelled out a word he would say the word, i.e., icecream. He never believed in Santa or the tooth fairy and said he didn't know why but he just knew they weren't real. He got in trouble a lot in kindergarten for telling the truth.

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Barbarannamated

"He got in alot of trouble in Kindergarten for telling the truth". A teacher doesn't know what to do with years of wisdom coming from a 5 year old. ;)

 

That's so special, Tezza. You and your family have had interesting but challenging lives. May I ask what your heritage is? Ive heard that some nationalities are more likely to have or recall these experiences.

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tezza

Thank you for your kind words, Barb. Two of my grandparents were half Native American but I'm not sure of the specific tribe. They were mixed with Irish and Dutch.

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Barbarannamated

Yes. Makes sense, especially the Native American and Irish.

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tezza

Still others came here from London in the 17th century, but the Native American Heritage was not so far back. I loved to watch my Grandmother braid her long hair and take the hair out of her comb to twist around the ends of the braids. She also made poultices that seemed to magically heal sick ones. She would get roots and stuff out of the woods to make teas with. Oh, how I wish I would have learned a lot more from her.

 

Sadly, my aunts that I might could have gained wisdom from have passed, as well as my father. On my mother's side, my great-grandmother was also known to have mystical powers. She could conjure moles, etc, my mother was afraid of her.

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Barbarannamated

Still others came here from London in the 17th century, but the Native American Heritage was not so far back. I loved to watch my Grandmother braid her long hair and take the hair out of her comb to twist around the ends of the braids. She also made poultices that seemed to magically heal sick ones. She would get roots and stuff out of the woods to make teas with. Oh, how I wish I would have learned a lot more from her.

 

Sadly, my aunts that I might could have gained wisdom from have passed, as well as my father. On my mother's side, my great-grandmother was also known to have mystical powers. She could conjure moles, etc, my mother was afraid of her.

 

Fascinating, Tezza. Sounds like you come from a long line of healers. Can be disconcerting to those who don't yet believe or accept.

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tezza

I would rather consider myself spiritual as opposed to religious. I do wish to be Christ-like, for His example to us was to love one another unconditionally. Religion is judgmental IMHO. Christ neither judged or condemned others. I do believe in reincarnation.

 

 

Maybe I could've stated that differently. To me religion means denomination. It seems that every denomination thinks they are the one that is right. I was raised Baptist but go to a different denominational church now, one my husband was raised in. To me, being Christ-like is more important than a denomination.

 

I do believe there will be a judgement day. I just don't believe people should judge people.

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Nikki

Tezza Read "Many Lessons, Many Masters" by Dr. Brian Weiss. He is the Head of Psychiatry down here in Miami University Hospital.

 

It is a true story/account of a patient of his who had horrific anxiety. Under hypnosis, she recalls numerous accounts of her reincarnation.

 

You won't be able to put it down. There were many lessons that Dr. Weiss pulled out of it, and they are lessons that could apply to all of us. Great Book.

 

Hugs

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Shanti

Tezza, I'm surprised I didn't comment on this topic! I just want you to know, that I am a Christian Minister (believe it or not), of the Esoteric Path, and that reincarnation is Biblical. There are many references to it. It's simply not accepted by the church leaders. To me, it makes no sense NOT to believe in reincarnation. We only get one life. Yet some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and some born starving in Africa. Some born into Christian homes with Christian upbringing and some into Atheist homes. How is it fair to expect them all to have come to Christ when they all didn't have the same opportunity? My beliefs about the teachings of Jesus, btw, are very different than Mainstream Christianity. So when I say "come to Christ", I don't mean literally that you have to believe in Jesus and that He died on the cross. But that you follow His path. His teachings. Such as love your neighbor, etc. Anyway, here are some references to reincarnation and the Bible.

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Shanti

Karma, your views are similar to mine. There's a good book called "Remarkable Healings: A Psychiatrist Discovers Unsuspected Roots of Mental and Physical Illness" by Dr. Shakuntala Modi. It's a great book about how she discovered in therapy with her patients and hypnotherapy that they were recalling not only past lives, but the period of time they would spend between death and life. She learned about how past life experiences affect our current life and causes issues we need to resolve.

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Shanti

Tezza, I'm Native American, with some Dutch and Irish as well! Interesting :) I'm in the same boat in lost tradition from my own tribe, NorRelMuk Nation. As the only survivors of the massacre were small children. However, I learn from the neighboring tribes, Wintu. But still, it would be nice to know from my own tribe. I found one elderly man that is descended from my tribe and learned of the traditions from his grandmother, who must've been an older child. But I haven't heard back from him after I emailed him :(

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alexjuice

I don't understand the past lives thing.

 

But, if I was reincarnated, I'd like to come back as me but just make a different choice or two. Can I do that?

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Shanti

I don't understand the past lives thing.

 

But, if I was reincarnated, I'd like to come back as me but just make a different choice or two. Can I do that?

 

That's an interesting idea that I never thought of. I don't know, of course. I actually don't want to come back, so I'm working on getting off the karma/ reincarnation cycle (Samsara). You eventually come to a point where you've balanced all your karma and you stop reincarnating on this plane. I'm not quite sure where you go from here, but I know it's better, as the Samsara is life-death-life-death.... and I'm tired of the death part, and the karma part. The only reason we even reincarnate is because of karma. So the trick is to balance the karma you've made in the past and stop making anymore. Then you won't have to come back. The ironic good news is that we've balanced a lot of karma going through this w/d hell.

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Saspian

Tezza, I'm surprised I didn't comment on this topic! I just want you to know, that I am a Christian Minister (believe it or not), of the Esoteric Path, and that reincarnation is Biblical. There are many references to it. It's simply not accepted by the church leaders. To me, it makes no sense NOT to believe in reincarnation. We only get one life. Yet some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and some born starving in Africa. Some born into Christian homes with Christian upbringing and some into Atheist homes. How is it fair to expect them all to have come to Christ when they all didn't have the same opportunity? My beliefs about the teachings of Jesus, btw, are very different than Mainstream Christianity. So when I say "come to Christ", I don't mean literally that you have to believe in Jesus and that He died on the cross. But that you follow His path. His teachings. Such as love your neighbor, etc. Anyway, here are some references to reincarnation and the Bible.

 

 

I agree with what you say. Here in Melbourne a few years back I attended a Unity Church for awhile. They believe in reincarnation and are quite different from your average common garden variety Christian Church. AS you say reincarnation was part of the early church agenda; it was removed at a conference round 500 C.E. as it was seen as detracting from the saving grace of Jesus.

 

I find the concept quite fascinating and very complex. As for DR Weiss; he worries me a bit with his hypnotic progressions into the future under hypnosis. I see that as very much putting the cart before the horse. One life at a time, hey? :unsure:

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Saspian

I don't understand the past lives thing.

 

But, if I was reincarnated, I'd like to come back as me but just make a different choice or two. Can I do that?

 

 

 

Hmmmm,yep! Good point; it seems to me coming back as a new, or almost new entity, is not really coming back in the sense of how we designate ourselves. The soul or monad is seen as our essential being and "we" are viewed merely as the shell that encases it. :rolleyes:

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Shanti

Saspian, I've been to Unity Church a few times and I like it. I love the New Thought Churches that are every now. Science of the Mind, Religious Science and New Thought. It's a good sign of our evolution in consciousness on a wider scale now.

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Rhiannon

 

Tezza, I'm surprised I didn't comment on this topic! I just want you to know, that I am a Christian Minister (believe it or not), of the Esoteric Path, and that reincarnation is Biblical. There are many references to it. It's simply not accepted by the church leaders. To me, it makes no sense NOT to believe in reincarnation. We only get one life. Yet some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and some born starving in Africa. Some born into Christian homes with Christian upbringing and some into Atheist homes. How is it fair to expect them all to have come to Christ when they all didn't have the same opportunity? My beliefs about the teachings of Jesus, btw, are very different than Mainstream Christianity. So when I say "come to Christ", I don't mean literally that you have to believe in Jesus and that He died on the cross. But that you follow His path. His teachings. Such as love your neighbor, etc. Anyway, here are some references to reincarnation and the Bible.

 

 

I agree with what you say. Here in Melbourne a few years back I attended a Unity Church for awhile. They believe in reincarnation and are quite different from your average common garden variety Christian Church. AS you say reincarnation was part of the early church agenda; it was removed at a conference round 500 C.E. as it was seen as detracting from the saving grace of Jesus.

 

 

Yeah I think that was the Conference at Nicaea (spelling?) where a lot of stuff got edited out of and into Christianity the Official Religion.

 

Like I said earlier I was always confused by a couple of references in the Bible that I guess they missed somehow which always seemed to me to be talking about reincarnation. Good to hear I'm not just tripping. :-) thanks for the info Shanti and Saspian

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starlitegirlx

If reincarnation exists, I plan on arguing against coming back.

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tezza

I agree that reincarnation is Biblical. There are several places, i believe,in which it is referred to.

 

Thanks, y'all, for your thoughts/beliefs on this.

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tezza

Tezza, I'm Native American, with some Dutch and Irish as well! Interesting :) I'm in the same boat in lost tradition from my own tribe, NorRelMuk Nation. As the only survivors of the massacre were small children. However, I learn from the neighboring tribes, Wintu. But still, it would be nice to know from my own tribe. I found one elderly man that is descended from my tribe and learned of the traditions from his grandmother, who must've been an older child. But I haven't heard back from him after I emailed him :(

 

 

Somehow I missed this post. Very interesting, indeed!

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tezza

I don't understand the past lives thing.

 

But, if I was reincarnated, I'd like to come back as me but just make a different choice or two. Can I do that?

 

 

Alex, I've thought/wondered/wished the same.

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tezza

When I was a small child, I had a the same dream many times. I didn't understand the dream at the time but later learned that it seemed to describe the last days as they were described in the Bible. Particularly the great earthquake of Revelation.

 

I had the dream before I was old enough to know anything about the Bible. Perhaps it was a memory from a past life???

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