AJ 716: Cymbalta reduction - likely desperate

[Colonial]

1 hour ago, AJ716 said:

I was misunderstood at least twice since joining and cut short as a result. 

 

I'm sorry you felt cut off but on "our" end twice you've given contradictory statements in the thread and then symptom notes as to what is happening.

I realize it's hard to think but we can't see inside your head either, so we're 2 sides both trying the best we can to figure it all out.

 

I agree with Alto the daily notes are going to be a necessity to help decipher between what your actually doing and what you thought you did...

 As  with the magnesium like the Zoloft it seems your doing one thing in the 24 hour posts but your chronological "talking" posts say another. 

 

I only caught this because 200mg of magnesium all at once seemed a lot...

But then I remembered you had said, at a LATER date, that you had stopped taking it, at a PRIOR date.

 

You posted Oct 29th that at 3:40 you took Magnesium 200 mg

But just 5 days ago on Nov. 5th you posted You had already stopped the magnesium on Oct. 19th??

But your signature line says Early Nov:  Stopped Magnesium Glycinate,  but then there's 2 different types of magnesium's in the line

 

That would lead one to believe you stopped it Oct. 19th...

 Restarted it again at some unknown date to be taking 200 mgs once again on Oct. 29th...

 Only to discontinue it again "Early November"?

 

This is the same confusion as to whether you actually dropped the Zoloft or not.

So the 24 hour notes EVER DAY will really help going forward, as a staff member watching your posts in "real time" over the days can spot trends you might see.

If you wait until you have a question to then all of a sudden sit down and post 5 days worth of notes, will you even be able to do that then at that point?

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Colonial

[ChessieCat]

5 hours ago, AJ716 said:

Regarding the daily symptoms notes it frankly is too hard to do them every day.  It pains me to admit that.  Sincerely it's my problem and I'll bite the bullet.  Can I just not ask for advice about symptoms unless I put up my notes for a couple of days?

 

This might help you to understand why the daily symptom notes have been requested and how they can help the mods assess your situation.

 

We understand that it can be hard work to do them, but we don't request them without a very good reason.

  

On 9/28/2016 at 4:49 AM, Altostrata said:

Are your symptoms worse at any particular times of day? A symptom pattern that occurs regularly over several days could mean the symptoms are from withdrawal, other adverse effects of drugs, or something else you do on a daily schedule.

 

In the course of discussion in your Introductions forum topic, you may be asked to keep notes on paper of your daily symptom pattern, including when you take your drugs, their dosages, and any symptoms. We ask this because there may be something we can do to reduce the symptoms.

 

What we need to see for every single day over several days is what symptoms you get before and after you take your drugs. If you're not taking any drugs and have withdrawal symptoms, we still need to see your symptom pattern throughout the day:

 

[AJ716]

This is an explanation, not an argument: 

It's embarrassing to admit I need help with practically all daily activities for physical or mental reasons.  Dressing, going to the bathroom, preparing a meal, charging my phone.  Some of the help is to cut down how long simple things take and lowering my frustration.  Daily symptom notes are a challenge too.  All said the process for one day took me 3 hours and I still made mistakes. Literally. To read my paper notes I need glasses, a magnifying glass, and a flashlight. Then stop to transfer to computer. Pick it all up again, repeat.  Afterwards type the list again in neat order with OCD obsessiveness over each little "."  LOL it's all rather ridiculous really.  So except for meds I normally don't write it down, just record it on the computer by memory. I feel foolish and don't want to ask more from my sons like a child.  

 

The same goes for all of you now, of course.  The examples you gave hit home. Since you explained I can even remember how some of it happened. So I won't ask more of your time and increase your frustrations for my sake.  Again I sincerely apologize.  No hard feelings of course and hope there are none toward me. 

 

 

[Colonial]

Well, I for one certainly wasn't frustrated with you one bit... 

I rather like you, really. 😎

 

But because I care and because like a doctor, our first responsibility is to do no harm by giving bad advice is why we asked.

And we really cant  give "good" advice, or at least advice that's not negligent by just winging it either.

And that's what  "we" would be doing in a complicated med issue without a fuller picture.

 

Hopefully when your able to get stable as you continue to work your taper slow and steady you'll be able to interact more.

Feel better soon.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Colonial

[ChessieCat]

14 minutes ago, AJ716 said:

No hard feelings of course and hope there are none toward me. 

 

(Colonial has just posted as I'm finishing this post).

 

Thank you for understanding that without the daily symptom notes we are unable to assist you at this time.  We appreciate you stating this clearly so that we don't end up getting frustrating from having to keep asking for them.

 

Colonial said, perhaps you'll be better able to do this down the track.

 

Just to let you know how serious we take the "getting of information" from members (and please note this is just to inform you, there is no threat meant so please don't take it the wrong way) members can receive a warning point for not supplying the requested notes.  This is from What will get you warned or banned:

  

On 6/16/2011 at 4:45 AM, Altostrata said:

- Being uncooperative, specifically, not keeping notes and reporting your symptom pattern when requested to do so.

Keeping daily notes of your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages is quite simple. In many situations, particularly when you're taking multiple drugs, we need this information to tell if a drug is causing an adverse reaction or if an adjustment is working.

 

If, after requested, you avoid doing this, we can't help you. If you persist in withholding this essential information, you may receive more than one warning point, up to being banned from the site (4 warning points).

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by ChessieCat

[AJ716]

It's a reasonable expectation and that's the plan  👍

 

 

[Colonial]

I see that in the tips for tapering Zoloft thread you posted on 11/21/2020 8:12pm:

 

"Just trying to put my mind at ease. 

 

Is putting a Zoloft tablet in an empty capsule alright?  They taste badly.  Is it alright if the pieces are broken before putting them into the capsule?  I'm not doing that yet but thought I might down the road."

 

Yet In your message to me on 11/24/20 you told me you indeed were already doing that and had reduced your Zoloft from 100mg to 90mg on 11/17/20.  You then said you reinstated to 100mg on 11/22/20 due to a symptom uptick that happened  on 11/19/20, 2 days after the Zoloft drop that you felt was Zoloft related.  I relayed to you it was probably more likely the near 20% drop of Cymbalta in only 3 weeks eventually catching up to you than the 10% Zoloft drop hitting you that hard in less than 48 hours but anything was possible.

 

So, you were, indeed, "already doing that" when you made that post and purposely giving false information in that thread in an effort to circumvent the above requirements we have asked of you in order to be of assistance, and already in the middle of what you claimed was a severe episode. 

 

Yet you did not update your signature line with the Zoloft drop and reinstatement as is required by this site and your personal messaging to me for advice on your symptoms that you thought were Zoloft related thus violated the agreement you made with this site in your last post here that if you were not going to keep the symptom and med charts in your personal thread, you would not ask for personal case and symptom specific help from the staff.

 

You then messages me again at  Tuesday at 11:57 PM:  Asking for assistance with the likelihood of intermittent use of Xanax and Atenolol making your situation more problematic, and was it possibly involved with your current crisis that you up until then were framing as having to be from the Zoloft drop?

 

I responded it most certainly could and that you left that information out of your original message you "assumed" your current crisis, which you framed as severe, was certainly the result of dropping the Zoloft which you did not add either here, or mention in the tapering Zoloft thread.  I then come online to find that you had already purposely lied in the tapering thread that you had not done that "yet" but were thinking of in the future. 

 

This exchange of 11 messages which you assured me at the beginning was just going to be about "general advice questions about my situation and not regarding specific symptoms" but that since you didn't do the symptom chart you didn't want to place here in your personal chart (but could I help you on the side) ended up being just that, and because of all the information not provided ended up wasting well over 2 hours of my time to come to the conclusion that the problem was unanswerable without the drug schedule and symptom notes as so often requested.

 

The communal staff has invested many hours in you.  We made it clear the sort of things that could eventually lead to warning points.  Not providing symptom notes is one thing and your decision, to purposely misrepresent what you are or are not doing in other threads in order to avoid having to provide the information we need to assist you, is unacceptable.

 

Please do not private message me again.  I wish you well but I do not wish to be involved in an issue where someone is purposely lying in a thread asking for tips about what to do in the future when their already doing it. I simply cannot trust that any future information you are providing is not purposely slanted or a half truth.

 

 

[Colonial]

You were politely asked twice to no longer private message me, by private message and here in this thread.

Your message just received is rude and abusive towards a staff member and will not be tolerated.

 

I have marked a warning point to your account for continual non compliance and verbal harassment of staff.

Accumulate 4 and you will be blocked.

 

I suggest you call it a night and try to get some rest and return when you are more in control of your emotions.

This is not helping your anxiety or your stress which will exacerbate your symptoms