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This is yet another wonderful interview with Dr Mark Horowitz conducted by Nicole Lamberson from the Medicating Normal team. 

Mark discusses his journey and his work and new projects. 

Apparently the NHS in the UK is beginning to open up withdrawal clinics a project that Joanna Moncrieff is coordinating with Mark Horowitz. 

 

 

 

Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey

Last dose end Dec 2018 

Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for  14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!!  

 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long.

On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx  5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day.

 

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Oh wow! Gotta watch this....had no idea this was happening.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

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He really is my hero, I think we should Knight him!!! 

 

Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey

Last dose end Dec 2018 

Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for  14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!!  

 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long.

On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx  5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day.

 

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I loved this! 

Although, One thing I've been thinking is that possibly Horowitz downplayed the effect of the intergenerational trauma of the Jewish Diaspora as "Typical Jewish Neuroticism" It's something I've been thinking about lately.

2009-2017 - Prozac 40mg, Risperdal 10mg, Zopiclone, Lorazepam, Seroquel, Setraline 50mg, Valium, 6mg Clonzepam, 1mg, Zopiclone 7.5mg, - Adderall 20mg, Ritalin - 20mg, Clonazepam 1mg, Zopiclone, Trazadone 50mg, Citalopram 40mgh, Strattera - 40mg -  Abilify 5mg - Trazadone - 250mg - 40mg Testostedrone - Seroqual - 100mg  -Remeron 50mg - Clonazepam 1mg > 5-6mg (and Bridge to Valium 40mg), Pregabalin - 300mg > 600mg, Ritalin 40mg,  0.25ml Testosterone Entate, Adderall 30mg, 0.5ml Testosterone Entate, Oxycodone 10mg, Loxapine 40mg, Seroquel 100mg Lamitical, Cyclobenzaprine, 15mg  October - 2017 - Begin Valium taper at 40mg - 2mg every two weeks June 2018 - Raid Detox in rehab from 200mg Tramadol, 600mg Pregabalin 4mg Valium over 3 weeks. August 2018 Cold Turkey 70mg Lisdexamfetamine  October 2018 - 30mg Cymbalta,  Feburary 2019 reinstate 70mg Lisdexamfetamine March 2019 Cold turkey Cymbalta&Lisdexamfetamine July 2019 - Reinstate 30mg Cymbalta and Lisdexamfetamine. October 2019  start taper  10% Cymbalta every 2-4 weeks 

Novemeber 2020: 3.2mg Cymbalta (20 Beads) 70mg Lisdexamfetamine, 0.4ml Testosterone weekly.

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3 hours ago, dirtvoid said:

Although, One thing I've been thinking is that possibly Horowitz downplayed the effect of the intergenerational trauma of the Jewish Diaspora as "Typical Jewish Neuroticism" It's something I've been thinking about lately.

 

I agree, dirtvoid. I think within the context of a discussion on human suffering, this was tone deaf. I get that he was discussing his own issues and his own family, but if he's messaging as a professional who is guiding people off psychiatric drugs, an awareness of intergenerational trauma should be high on the radar. But this also plays into the narrative of medicating "normal," as if there are certain people who NEED to be mediated. There aren't, in my opinion. It's a way of separating the so-called "neurotic" from the so-called "psychotic," so I think that's also in the messaging that could use a deeper analysis. While I appreciate this film for the good it's doing, I'm also frustrated at the mixed messaging that continues to come out of these kinds of documentaries. We should be further along then this from a moral standpoint. 

 

Just my two cents. 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

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10 hours ago, Shep said:

 

I agree, dirtvoid. I think within the context of a discussion on human suffering, this was tone deaf. I get that he was discussing his own issues and his own family, but if he's messaging as a professional who is guiding people off psychiatric drugs, an awareness of intergenerational trauma should be high on the radar. But this also plays into the narrative of medicating "normal," as if there are certain people who NEED to be mediated. There aren't, in my opinion. It's a way of separating the so-called "neurotic" from the so-called "psychotic," so I think that's also in the messaging that could use a deeper analysis. While I appreciate this film for the good it's doing, I'm also frustrated at the mixed messaging that continues to come out of these kinds of documentaries. We should be further along then this from a moral standpoint. 

 

Just my two cents. 


I actually think the neurotic Jew stereotype does a lot of harm in this regard. Also I really wish he didn't use a Woody Allen comparison out of everyone... I believe there is also a high rate of 'psychosis' in the Jewish population. But it's something that has helped me come to with my distress like oh yeah it makes sense I have ongoing sense of anxiety and panic and I am extremely sensitive to rejection, and because it provokes the exile, persecution and ethnic cleansing my family survived, 100 years ago and for thousands of years. 

Yeah I'm with you, I'm not super keen on the idea of 'medicating normal' - I feel it is also quite dismissive and runs risk of invalidating and undermining people's distress, it's one thing to say stress, anxiety, depression, grief, distress, overwhelm are part of everyday life and not a medical condition, but also I've had the experience of being told stuff like "everyone feels like that sometimes" or made to feel weak for not being able to cope with overwhelming emotions that are just a part of life. I think those feelings are why people attach themselves to the medical model because they feel like having a recognised 'Disorder' is a way of saying 'see my mental distress is REAL and VALID it's a medical condition.' I think the 'ADHD' community very much this struggle, where much of the distress is dismissed as 'normal' I personally think that 'medicating diversity' is more validating concept to the variety of people's experiences. I agree, it does run the risk of still separating people into people who NEED medication vs. people who don't. Mixed messaging is a real problem I've heard it all my life 'there's something wrong with you, you can't help it, there's nothing wrong with you can control it.' One problem I find with some of the critical psychiatry lot is that sometimes they can be pretty ableist when it comes to seeing mental distress as a legit disability, okay it's all very well to understand mental distress, unusual experiences and problem behaviour as a part of everyday life, or as a temporary occurrence or as an understandable response to adversity, but also distress can be disabling and enduring. I think the Power Threat Meaning Framework by Lucy Johnston and Mary Boyle is my favourite from that lot and makes the most realistic sense.

I must say I am excited about the possibility of withdrawal clinics on the NHS and I feel that gives me hope of potential future work I want to get into.

2009-2017 - Prozac 40mg, Risperdal 10mg, Zopiclone, Lorazepam, Seroquel, Setraline 50mg, Valium, 6mg Clonzepam, 1mg, Zopiclone 7.5mg, - Adderall 20mg, Ritalin - 20mg, Clonazepam 1mg, Zopiclone, Trazadone 50mg, Citalopram 40mgh, Strattera - 40mg -  Abilify 5mg - Trazadone - 250mg - 40mg Testostedrone - Seroqual - 100mg  -Remeron 50mg - Clonazepam 1mg > 5-6mg (and Bridge to Valium 40mg), Pregabalin - 300mg > 600mg, Ritalin 40mg,  0.25ml Testosterone Entate, Adderall 30mg, 0.5ml Testosterone Entate, Oxycodone 10mg, Loxapine 40mg, Seroquel 100mg Lamitical, Cyclobenzaprine, 15mg  October - 2017 - Begin Valium taper at 40mg - 2mg every two weeks June 2018 - Raid Detox in rehab from 200mg Tramadol, 600mg Pregabalin 4mg Valium over 3 weeks. August 2018 Cold Turkey 70mg Lisdexamfetamine  October 2018 - 30mg Cymbalta,  Feburary 2019 reinstate 70mg Lisdexamfetamine March 2019 Cold turkey Cymbalta&Lisdexamfetamine July 2019 - Reinstate 30mg Cymbalta and Lisdexamfetamine. October 2019  start taper  10% Cymbalta every 2-4 weeks 

Novemeber 2020: 3.2mg Cymbalta (20 Beads) 70mg Lisdexamfetamine, 0.4ml Testosterone weekly.

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On 11/23/2020 at 6:56 AM, dirtvoid said:

I actually think the neurotic Jew stereotype does a lot of harm in this regard.

Agreed, it was tone deaf, as Shep said.  Otherwise, though, I thought it was a very fine interview and it was gratifying to hear him mention SurvivingAntidepressants at the beginning.  

 

The U.K. seems quite a bit ahead the U.S.in recognizing withdrawal.  

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Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020 Begin 6-week Ativan-Valium crossover.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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