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31 minutes ago, Bluemoon3 said:

I really feel better.  I sleep 6-7 hours a night.  I can even fall back to sleep if I wake up too early.  I still have 2 problems: impossible to cry and sleep without Seresta.  What really worries me is that I never feel sleep come on until I take seresta.  How long does insomnia usually last?  Are there any studies on the subject? 

Hello Bluemoon, 

 

Unfortunately, nobody can predict how long a symptom will last.

There's just too much of unknown about our brain, about these molecules and about healing process.

But what we do know is that people tend to get better as time passes, and that carefull tapers seems to help our CNS to make his repair work :) 

 

I'm glad that you're seeing progress, enjoy those sweet hours of sleep ❤️

 

I can't tell if it's your case or if it is related to Seresta, but I just wanted to tell you that sleep can often be an issue during pregnancy. I personnaly never had a child, but it seems that a lot of mum around me have had issues with sleep during this special time.

I remember well how much a friend struggled during all her pregnancy with very little sleep whereas she never had insomnia before.

Maybe it will give you some reassurance :) 

 

You're doing great, Take care

 

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) (2008 : cold turkey of both)

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (longer half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine + toothpick Paroxetine (since 20 Aug 2020) + 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

 

Website : https://selibererdelapsychiatrie.wordpress.com/

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I slept from 11pm to 6.30am.  I walked more than 1hr yesterday. My mood is really better. 

Bluemoon3

Thanks @Erell

I can feel joy, I am motivated, I am making plans for the future but I do not understand why I can’t cry when I have a bad news. 
The main problem remains insomnia. I never feel I am falling asleep. Otherwise I am feeling better every day :) I am recovering my concentration. I dot feel dizzy anymore. 
 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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Tonight, I took 30mg instead of 32,5mg. I will see if it makes a big difference. Last time I tapered off, I had weird feelings in my head for about 3 days. It was bearable.

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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I haven't felt a difference between 32.5mg and 30mg yet.  I have a feeling that my condition will be more stable because I was not cutting my tablets evenly enough into quarters.

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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14 hours ago, Bluemoon3 said:

Tonight, I took 30mg instead of 32,5mg. I will see if it makes a big difference. Last time I tapered off, I had weird feelings in my head for about 3 days. It was bearable.

 

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Please that on December 19, you were at 35 mg of Seresta. So that was not quite a month ago. And now you're at 30 mg. That is a 14.3% reduction. 

 

And just 6 weeks ago, you were at 40 mg, which is a 25% reduction from where you're currently at. 

 

I know you're dealing with other issues and are wanting to decrease this drug due to your pregnancy, but if you do have severe symptoms, especially with insomnia, over the coming days, you may want to do a small updose. 

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My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

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I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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My sleep is better every day when I am at home. My main worries is that I don't feel sleep coming without Seresta. 
 

I ´ll wait a few days and see how I feel. My head is more sensitive. I have weird feelings but it’s bearable. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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when I decrease Seresta by 2.5mg, my head is more sensitive for 3 days and then I'm fine.  I didn't see any other problems.  My sleep is even better than before.  I even manage to take my nap sometimes!  for me, it’s a miracle that I can sleep without medication for a few minutes.  I also believe that pregnancy is starting to tire me a lot.  I am less active.  On the other hand, I do feel like I have more energy at night ... but Seresta eases that quickly. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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Sounds like you're stabilizing, Bluemoon. Very good to hear. 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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I've been exhausted for about 4 days until noon.  I have to stay in bed.  I wonder if it's pregnancy.  What is good, though, is that even though I fall asleep at midnight and wake up around 4 or 5am, I can at least fall back to sleep 2 hours before noon.  If I try to get up at 5 a.m. I have low blood pressure and faintness.  The gynecologist says it's normal to have low blood pressure when you're pregnant.  But I wonder if it's the withdrawal or the pregnancy that keeps me in bed till noon.  However, in the afternoon I have energy, I go out.

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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it was getting better but yesterday I got some bad news (death from covid) so I only slept 3 hours.  I don't know what to do to relax. I am very tense. I can’t even rest. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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Because of some bad news, I am anxious, super tense and the seresta is not working at all.  I don't know if I can take more. What do you suggest ? I am feeling really bad. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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Yesterday I called the doctor, and he said I could take 40mg again but 30mg was already a lot in my condition.  Besides, I'm not even sure 40mg will be enough.  That’s why I’m asking for advice.  It took a long time to sleep yesterday, but I did.  I hope so today.  Besides, I have a busy week.

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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5 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. This can show if your symptoms are adverse effects from one of your drugs, such as oxazepam. @Shep will review it.

 

 

Ok. Today I am back to normal. Time erases the effect of bad news. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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Hello Bluemoon

 

I'm really sorry to read about the bad news. 

And relieved to read that you feel better today ❤

 

Have you started to try to learn some non-drugs coping skills ?

A lot of us are here because we learnt to deal with our strong emotions with pills. 

On the path of WD and drug free life, we often realise that we need to learn and practice new coping skills to bear and accept our emotions.

 

Personaly, I'm learning to practice mindfullness, and also self-compassion.

And I've discovered that taking walks in nature is an essential routine in my toolkit.

 

What are yours ?

 

Sending hugs!

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) (2008 : cold turkey of both)

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (longer half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine + toothpick Paroxetine (since 20 Aug 2020) + 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

 

Website : https://selibererdelapsychiatrie.wordpress.com/

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44 minutes ago, Erell said:

Hello Bluemoon

 

I'm really sorry to read about the bad news. 

And relieved to read that you feel better today ❤

 

Have you started to try to learn some non-drugs coping skills ?

No I haven’t. I feel very tired by pregnancy and busy by many changes in my life. I will try when I have time. 

44 minutes ago, Erell said:

A lot of us are here because we learnt to deal with our strong emotions with pills. 

On the path of WD and drug free life, we often realise that we need to learn and practice new coping skills to bear and accept our emotions.

 

Personaly, I'm learning to practice mindfullness, and also self-compassion.

And I've discovered that taking walks in nature is an essential routine in my toolkit.

I go for a long walk nearly each afternoon. It helps a lot. 

44 minutes ago, Erell said:

 

What are yours ?

 

Sending hugs!

 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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Daily routine :

- Sleep : around 10.30pm-4.30pm. Waking up and sometimes sleep again for a couple of hours. 
- Breakfast : btw 5am-7am and try to sleep again

- Homeopathy after breakfast
- feel very tired till noon. Need a lot of rest. 
- Lunch at noon/1pm. 
- Rest 1pm-3pm. Rarely sleeping.

- Long walk : at least 1 hr. Sometimes visiting friends or family instead. 

- TV / computer / shopping

- Dinner at 7pm

- TV

- 9.30pm : Seresta 30mg + homeopathy

- Go to bed at 9.30pm

 

During the day, I spend a lot of time reading my phone : news, sms, word game. Mainly clever things ;) I would like to use it less but I am feeling too tired at the moment to do what I used to do. 
 

I have changed my signature. I am feeling OK. I am calm, motivated. I want to work again asap. Covid changes all my work plans but I feel positive. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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2 hours ago, Bluemoon3 said:

- Sleep : around 10.30pm-4.30pm. Waking up and sometimes sleep again for a couple of hours. 

 

This is a good amount of sleep during withdrawal, Bluemoon. In spite of the sad news, you are really doing well with the decreases. 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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My head is very sensitive, exactly as I decreased Seresta. I have the impression to feel my nerves inside my head. The noise and the act of eating echo in my head. It’s bearable but it’s strange. It’s the 1st time it does it several days after I decreased. 

I have been feeling very tired all day. I guess it’s pregnancy. They speak about a new confinement. That would be very bad as I feel a lot better when I can walk, visit people and go shopping. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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I had a medical check up yesterday. It appears that by blood pressure is low. It was also low last time. Can it be a symptom of withdrawal ?  Or Seresta ? It started when I took Seresta to stop largactil. It can happen sometimes in pregnancy. But the doctor said we need to look at it carefully. There is no medicine for it :( Otherwise everything is fine. 

- July 2020 : Olanzapine and Chlorpromazine (Largactil) 300mg

- August 2020 : abruptly stopped Olanzapine (no withdrawal symptoms)

- August 2020 : abrutly stopped Largactil :  4 sleepless nights -> took it again

- August 2020 - November 2020 (4 months) : decreased gradually Largactil

- 2 December 2020 : Stopped Largactil -> no sleep

- 13 Nov 2020 : Started Seresta (Oxazepam) to sleep : 15mg -> loss of concentration, could sleep 5/6hrs

- Beginning of Dec 2020 : 40mg of Seresta to sleep about 5/6 hrs

- Dec 19, 2020 : 35mg of Seresta at night

- Dec 26, 2020 : 32,5mg of Seresta at 9pm

- Jan 13, 2021 : 30mg of Seresta at 9.30pm


Main pbs : no concentration, internally agitated, little sleep

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How low was your blood pressure, Bluemoon? Did you write down or can you remember the number? 

 

Please see:

 

Low blood pressure from the drug or withdrawal?

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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