Rosetta Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I know. It’s infuriating. We can lead horses to water, and then they do as they wish. I wish I had known. I was 19 when I took the first AD (after having surgery — guess who is very sensitive to anesthesia but had no obvious symptoms of that except depression?) and I quit immediately because it made me feel worse, but I didn’t know it would take years to be normal again. So, every few years I tried something else a doctor gave me for “PMS.” Birth control pills, hormone pills, Premarin even. Why did a 25 year old need Premarin? As you might have figured out by now, PMS is made worse by the destabilization of the nervous system by various substances. An appendectomy at 18 set the ball rolling. College drinking didn’t help matter much. Every year or so, I trusted a doctor to help me feel better like a lamb to slaughter. Everything is connected; all our hormones are affected by anything we do to our brains or endocrine systems. Long story short, this continued — every Spring I had increased PMS symptoms — the light changed, Daylight Savings Time ended, and I felt worse. By 31, I couldn’t take it any more, and I bought into the “some people need insulin, some people need ADs” myth. Your friend is probably quite young, too. She doesn’t realize how many dangers are out there, and she’s not expecting a 21 year old to know anything. I wonder if she realizes that if she takes Prozac, she can’t drink alcohol, and she can’t do a lot of the other things her friends are doing. The risk is going to increase for her a lot. Did her doctor tell her that? Doubtful. I try, although it’s hard, not look at life as if I have been unlucky. Looking at life as various paths we take never knowing where they will lead, and seeing that some good things come out of bad circumstances is useful. You will be off these drugs by the time you have children or at least on a low dose which is good enough. That’s a very good thing. You are going to make mistakes (although this wasn’t your mistake as you were 15) — mistakes far more serious than this one. Having learned from this situation early is a good thing. This is not to belittle your anger at your doctor or how outrageous it is that a 15 year old was given Escitalopram! Give me a break! What a quack! A dangerous quack at that. Unbelievable. How fortunate that you did not take the lithium and seroquel. How fortunate that you had the option to say no and were not injected with something else. That was very lucky. You will always be wary of doctors. Now you know many prescribe drugs without any professionalism whatsoever. Not all, but we can’t blindly trust them. My husband had been having headaches, and his neurologist offer him Nortriptyline for PAIN. She prescribed this drug without one word of caution — not about side effects, not about withdrawal, nothing. She’s a neurologist! Shouldn’t she know better? Apparently, not. That’s the same drug I was given when I was 18. It’s strangely lucky that I have been through this horrible experience and my husband will not fall prey to her ignorance. A silver lining. I can’t always see them, but they often exist. 3 https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 14, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Rosetta said: You will be off these drugs by the time you have children or at least on a low dose which is good enough. Thanks so much for your kind messages @Rosetta... After seeing what I've seen, I doubt I will ever want to bring children into this twisted world. I will only do so if I have every mean to protect them, which would basically be a **** ton of money (I have run a successful business & been into advertising since a very young age so that might actually not be a problem for me in the future). 8 hours ago, Rosetta said: You are going to make mistakes (although this wasn’t your mistake as you were 15) — mistakes far more serious than this one. Having learned from this situation early is a good thing. Honestly, I cannot see how I could make a bigger mistake than letting myself be poisoned and having my entire body chemistry altered in a way that could directly lead me to taking my own life. But I know you are older than me and I have no idea what other horrors might be out there. 8 hours ago, Rosetta said: How fortunate that you did not take the lithium and seroquel. How fortunate that you had the option to say no and were not injected with something else. That was very lucky. I got as far as taking a dose of Seroquel. That might actually be a good thing - I felt in my body how atrocious that drug is. After a single pill, I just knew I couldn't take another one. I was absolutely sedated. I slept for 14 hours and my mouth and throat were absolutely dry in a way they had never been before. A single pill. About my friend who's starting Fluxoetine today - I don't even blame her. Who should she trust? Her nice doctor and psychologist who both strongly recommend drugs or her young friend with no medical degree at all? God help her, and also all of us... 1 - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Fallensoul Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Tell her it won't work forever, and that you can be worse when trying to come off. I see my AD story as a pact with the devil, but I didn't know what I know now, and he will come for you at the end. If its related depression, therapy is the way to go. If its unrelated, maybe a change in food? 2 1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04 Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night2019/05 Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12 Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep2020/06 Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped2020/11 Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep) 2021/1 3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc, 3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17 Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet. 2021/03/17 Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4 2021/03/26 Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5. 2021/05/9 M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding) 2021/06/7 Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5 Link to comment
bijay Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 @Yesyes123 You’ve done your best to support your friend, and that is all you can do. Doctors can give quite the sales pitch when it comes to taking drugs, and it is very hard to resist a supposed solution in an easy-to-take pill when you are so sick and suffering. I have a close friend who developed an ongoing problem with his throat, with constant coughing, congestion, and now damage to his vocal chords. His doctor eventually thought it could be a “nerve” problem, and after an unsuccessful trial with Remeron, he wanted him to ramp up to 50 mg. nortriptyline. After my awful experience with amitriptyline, I talked him out of it. I am beginning to think that modern medicine is turning us into chemistry experiments, with little regard for the terrible collateral damage these drugs can cause. Somehow this has got to change. 3 Started .25 mg. clonazapam Oct. 2016 Started 10 mg. Celexa Dec. 2016 Started 10 mg. amitriptyline January 2017 Also took 60 mg. Dexilant Oct. 2016 through April 2017, successfully tapered off Stopped Celexa successfully Oct. 2017 Fast taper of amitriptyline Dec. 2017, had major WD symptoms and reinstated at 10 mg. Jan. 2018 Slow amitryptyline taper started Mar. 2019, reduced from 10 mg. to 0.93 mg. currently Also still taking .25 mg. clonazapam daily in late evening Link to comment
Crochet Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 It's so disheartening when you try to help but can't. I pray that her story is very different from ours. I'm working on coming up with my own list for "informed consent." Had I known that what I experienced was a possibility, I never, ever would have taken this drug. Sending positive thoughts your way, always. 1 2012-present - Escitalopram currently 2.55 mg Supplements: Daytime- Green Lipped Mussel 1200mg, Omega-3s 1710mg, Wheat Germ Oil 770mg, Sodium Butyrate 1.2g, Phosphatidylcholine 2600mg, Multi-Min 2 tablets, Liposomal Glutathione 4 pumps, Probiotic 1 capsule, Beyond Balance herbal tinctures for lyme and gut healing (including one only taken during menstruation); Nighttime - L-theanine 200mg, melatonin 1mg, magnesium glycinate 400mg. History: 2012-2017- Escitalopram 10mg 2017-2020 - Escitalopram 5mg 07/2019-11/2019 - Valium 10mg, every 2-3 days, then stopped 11/2020 - Stopped Escitalopram 5mg abruptly (crashed January 2021) 1/2021-12/2021 - Escitalopram Reinstated 2.5mg to 5 to 10 to 7.5 and then started slow taper 1/2021-2/2021 - Ativan .5mg - Took 13.5 pills over the course of 22 days and stopped 2/2021-9/2021 Hydroxyzine - 50-100mg tapering down to .8mg, then cross-tapered to Claritin and stopped 9/2021-9/2022 - Claritin 5 mg (tapered off) Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 11:34 AM, Fallensoul said: I see my AD story as a pact with the devil, but I didn't know what I know now It's even worse when your pact was written by someone else you trusted and you just signed. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 3:21 PM, bijay said: Doctors can give quite the sales pitch when it comes to taking drugs, and it is very hard to resist a supposed solution in an easy-to-take pill when you are so sick and suffering. Yes. I imagine she must have been much worse than she seemed these recent times. I haven't seen her in person in so long due to quarantine. She just wanted to feel better somehow, that's what she told me. On 4/14/2021 at 3:21 PM, bijay said: I am beginning to think that modern medicine is turning us into chemistry experiments, with little regard for the terrible collateral damage these drugs can cause. Somehow this has got to change. (And psychiatry for a third one?) This makes sense for sure, but I think it's turning us into something more like users. Like when you talk about drug users in general and people use the word "user". They just need to get their drugs every day. They pay for it and whoever is making and selling those drugs keeps getting money, invariably. It's as if drug dealers were convincing people to try meth or heroin or whatever else they have so solve their problems, saying the benefits outweight the possible problems you might face with the substance or when trying to withdrawal from it. It is actually insanely similar to that, if you really think about it. But in our case, not only the drug producer but our entire families, friends, expensive professional healthcare """"""experts""""" (or dealers) and the first page of Google (does page 2 even exist for 99% of people?) are recommending us to drug ourselves in order to take care of our mental health. When we are in crisis, it is simply the thing to do. It's so easy to fall into it. I think if I had found SA before taking AD's, I would absolutely refuse to believe the efficacy or necessity of any of the practices that are suggested here or really anything said in here at all. Simply because it is so different than what was being said by my doctors. And I also was just that much more naive back then. Now that this website and the ideas here presented literally saved my life, there is simply no way to deny the things that I read in here anymore. It's definitely about money. For a lot of people, money is the sole purpose of their existence. And science is their religion - which is what leads entire nations to believe in lies. "Scientocracy" is a scary thing. Is our science really that good? Clearly, not at all. On 4/14/2021 at 3:21 PM, bijay said: with little regard for the terrible collateral damage these drugs can cause It's simply the very effect these drugs have. It's what happens when you mess with things that shouldn't be messed with. In massive scale. With practices based on trial & error and lies. Oh, and my friend started fluoxetine this week. It's so sad. It's incredibly sad. But I did all I could to help her. I got to a point where if I had insisted a bit more she would say something along the lines of "Dude, you're not a doctor, let me take the advice of the ones who really know this". She was very respectful and didn't say anything like that, but I could spot something on her voice even on the phone that indicated this was coming if I kept telling her not to take it and sending reasons and links etc. I hope I don't lose touch with her over the years so I can keep checking on her. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Colonial Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 "part of me wishes that she has an immediate adverse reaction and stops the drug. Not only so I can be like "I told you so!" Please don't do that. 😔 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Colonial said: "part of me wishes that she has an immediate adverse reaction and stops the drug. Not only so I can be like "I told you so!" Please don't do that. 😔 Please read the rest of the post. Thank you. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 4:36 PM, Yesyes123 said: so she won't keep taking it for 50 years or even worse... make this the gateway to antipsychotics/ mood stabilizers @Colonial Quoting only part of what I said that gives the complete wrong idea of what I obviously meant to say is not a very kind thing to do. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Fallensoul Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Yesyes123 said: It's even worse when your pact was written by someone else you trusted and you just signed. Absolutly, if I knew what I know now, I would never touch this poison. I only had some stress/burnout issues before I started and now I'm a pyscho. Allmost 3 years of my life lost to this. At least I feel periods of normallity/windows now and then, but nothing steady yet. The CNS, is totally havoked, mind and emotions in chaos. It's a very tough road back. 1 1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04 Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night2019/05 Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12 Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep2020/06 Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped2020/11 Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep) 2021/1 3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc, 3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17 Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet. 2021/03/17 Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4 2021/03/26 Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5. 2021/05/9 M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding) 2021/06/7 Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5 Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 16, 2021 What are your views on vaccines? Should I take the flu shot? - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Fallensoul Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 /\ If you asking me, I don't know, I've not read about a possible interaction with AD's yet. 1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04 Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night2019/05 Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12 Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep2020/06 Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped2020/11 Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep) 2021/1 3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc, 3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17 Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet. 2021/03/17 Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4 2021/03/26 Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5. 2021/05/9 M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding) 2021/06/7 Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5 Link to comment
Colonial Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) I did read 17 hours ago, Yesyes123 said: Quoting only part of what I said that gives the complete wrong idea of what I obviously meant to say is not a very kind thing to do. I did read the rest of the post. Your entire meaning, read in it's entirety, was obvious to all that your concern was for your friend. What you fail to see is that wishing harm for a good reason is never a means to positive resolution. It's never a Kind thing to do. No good end can come out of wishing ill, for them or for you. All of the negative energy you store up inside just waits to be released in another misunderstanding. Looking for a reason for a fight. That keeps your cortisol levels spiked and makes the symptoms worse and delays your own healing. Edited April 17, 2021 by Colonial 1 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 17, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Colonial said: What you fail to see is that wishing harm for a good reason is never a means to positive resolution. No. Simply wrong. Some harm can be good. I truly wish I had an immediate adverse reaction once I started the drug 6 years ago. I would have immediately stopped it, would be long healed by now, wouldn't have spent years of my life drugging myself and there would be absolutely no doubt the drug was atrocious and I would never have to prove it or try and explain it away to anyone. So yes, that harm would have ultimately been good. 10 hours ago, Colonial said: That keeps your cortisol levels spiked and makes the symptoms worse and delays your own healing. As I told you before and you, I don't have symptoms anymore. It's almost as if you don't believe me or wants me to be unwell. I'm sorry to say this, but whenever we exchange messages, it feels like I am talking to a psychiatrist. They always seem to know for sure what is better for me and disregard what I am saying. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted April 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 17, 2021 I think it is time to step back from this conversation and let the subject drop. We all look at the total AD experience through our own eyes and try to project our own journey onto others. When, in fact, it is their journey to make. We all go into this experience basing our decisions on the information we have available at the time. We make the decision for ourselves and what we thing is right for us. If it is a mistake it is our own fault. When trying to help another all we can do is relate information and out own experiences to help give them information to base their decision on. We can't make it for them. We also have to remember that there are hundreds of millions of people world wide who take these drugs. Many of them are having no problems with them. As members of SA we are seeing and experiencing the worst of the worst. That can really color our perspective. 2 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 17, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 17, 2021 Thank you very much @brassmonkey. I am in complete agreement. I also need to point out this is an extremely delicate subject for me, as is for anyone who has faced bad WD, and that has a strong influence in how I tackle the subject and communicate. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 19, 2021 - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Willfinish Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Hi Yes, How are you with 15mg of escitalopram ? Cipralex 2 years treatment (January 2017 to March 2019, with a brief interruption). Cipralex 10 mg : January 2017 - July 2017. Cipralex 5 mg: August 2017 - March 2018. Start tapering 1 mg a month. Off the medication: August 2018. Too fast tapering, crashed, doctor reinstated considering relapse. Cipralex 5 mg: September 2018 - December 2018. Tired of emotional numbness, start tapering again, 1 mg a month (didn't know it was so fast, following my doctor advice). Off the medication: March 2019. PSSD and painful withdrawal symptoms: January 2020 until now. Some improvements but still struggling. Supplements: some Omega 3 and probiotics, a bit better. Link to comment
Matheus Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Hii, i am from Brazil as well!!! Glad to see someone from the same country! Sadly my english level is nowhere near yours (lol). Iam also dealing with WD but unfortunately im taking multiple drugs, as you can see from my signature. I am glad in your last posts you said youre feeling better. I am trying to estabilize now and then start a slow tapper, but its not easy Where in brazil youre exactly from?( wich state) Bom dia!!! ( matheus) Jan 2017: started paroxetine 20mg Back and forth several times Aug 2019: paroxetine 20mg and zolpiden 6,25 Oct 2020: cold turkeyd both paroxetine and zolpiden ( big crash now i am in) Feb 2021: cold switch from paroxetine to venlafaxine( 37,5): didnt work at all March 2021: decided to go back to paroxetine out of despair: venlafaxine 37,5; paroxetine 40mg and zolpiden 6,25( current medication) Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 24, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Matheus said: Where in brazil youre exactly from?( wich state) Olá! Sou de São Paulo, e você? Espero que esteja bem! - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 24, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 24, 2021 Something to think about - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Matheus Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Eu sou de Teresina-Pi. Tenho 26 anos. Legal poder falar em portugues. Eu estou melhor do que estava ha duas semanas atrás, mas ainda nao considero que estou bem. Além do fato dos sintomas de WD eu fico muito mal em pensar que nao bastasse ter que sair da paroxetina( que já é uma droga bem dificil de sair), ainda vou ter que me preocupar com outra primeiro ( venlafaxina). E eu nao vi ainda alguem que estivesse tomando dois SSRI juntos( geralmente as pessoas tomam um SSRI e um benzo ou de uma outra classe), entao isso me deixa muito preocupado. Outra questao que tem me preocupado é: nao bastasse o tempo pra estabilizar( se é que vai acontecer), vou ter toda a preocupaçao de medir as dosagens e eu nao imagino como vou fazer isso, eu nunca imaginei q era tao delicado assim: medir em escalas digitais ou siringas e se preocupar com doses minusculas. Enfim, desculpa usar tua tread pra falar de mim. 😊 Tenha uma boa noite um bom fim de semana! Jan 2017: started paroxetine 20mg Back and forth several times Aug 2019: paroxetine 20mg and zolpiden 6,25 Oct 2020: cold turkeyd both paroxetine and zolpiden ( big crash now i am in) Feb 2021: cold switch from paroxetine to venlafaxine( 37,5): didnt work at all March 2021: decided to go back to paroxetine out of despair: venlafaxine 37,5; paroxetine 40mg and zolpiden 6,25( current medication) Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 4/24/2021 at 7:00 PM, Matheus said: Eu sou de Teresina-Pi. Tenho 26 anos. Legal poder falar em portugues. Eu estou melhor do que estava ha duas semanas atrás, mas ainda nao considero que estou bem. Além do fato dos sintomas de WD eu fico muito mal em pensar que nao bastasse ter que sair da paroxetina( que já é uma droga bem dificil de sair), ainda vou ter que me preocupar com outra primeiro ( venlafaxina). E eu nao vi ainda alguem que estivesse tomando dois SSRI juntos( geralmente as pessoas tomam um SSRI e um benzo ou de uma outra classe), entao isso me deixa muito preocupado. Outra questao que tem me preocupado é: nao bastasse o tempo pra estabilizar( se é que vai acontecer), vou ter toda a preocupaçao de medir as dosagens e eu nao imagino como vou fazer isso, eu nunca imaginei q era tao delicado assim: medir em escalas digitais ou siringas e se preocupar com doses minusculas. Enfim, desculpa usar tua tread pra falar de mim. 😊 Tenha uma boa noite um bom fim de semana! Não é tão difícil usar a balança de precisão... na verdade é bem facil! Me manda mensagem aqui no privado que te explico - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 26, 2021 I am talking to people who are on SSRI's and have smoked DMT with no problems. I am obviously not going to do any other drug, but I've been curious about the interaction with DMT since it seems do act so differently than most drugs. Do you guys know any about that? Thanks - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Matheus Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Oi! Nao sei porque mas quando eu mando aparece q vc nao pode receber mensagens. Jan 2017: started paroxetine 20mg Back and forth several times Aug 2019: paroxetine 20mg and zolpiden 6,25 Oct 2020: cold turkeyd both paroxetine and zolpiden ( big crash now i am in) Feb 2021: cold switch from paroxetine to venlafaxine( 37,5): didnt work at all March 2021: decided to go back to paroxetine out of despair: venlafaxine 37,5; paroxetine 40mg and zolpiden 6,25( current medication) Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 26, 2021 I wonder how much of this is real https://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/blog/7-important-nutrients-depleted-by-psychiatric-drugs-antidepressants-antipsychotics-stimulants-benzodiazepines-induced-guide-vitamins-medications - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 26, 2021 54 minutes ago, Matheus said: Oi! Nao sei porque mas quando eu mando aparece q vc nao pode receber mensagens. Preciso apagar as mensagens aqui, logo faço isso! - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Willfinish Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hi yes how are you ? I’m 2 years off and i’m still struggling. You’re young, therefore try to stop as soon as possible. I’m in my 20s too but after 2 years i have no more strenght. It’s a hard and hellish journey, with a lot of wasting time. Cipralex 2 years treatment (January 2017 to March 2019, with a brief interruption). Cipralex 10 mg : January 2017 - July 2017. Cipralex 5 mg: August 2017 - March 2018. Start tapering 1 mg a month. Off the medication: August 2018. Too fast tapering, crashed, doctor reinstated considering relapse. Cipralex 5 mg: September 2018 - December 2018. Tired of emotional numbness, start tapering again, 1 mg a month (didn't know it was so fast, following my doctor advice). Off the medication: March 2019. PSSD and painful withdrawal symptoms: January 2020 until now. Some improvements but still struggling. Supplements: some Omega 3 and probiotics, a bit better. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Willfinish said: Hi yes how are you ? I’m 2 years off and i’m still struggling. You’re young, therefore try to stop as soon as possible. I’m in my 20s too but after 2 years i have no more strenght. It’s a hard and hellish journey, with a lot of wasting time. Hey, did you try reinstating? - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Willfinish Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 No, but now i’m having big windows of feeling normalish. I think the finish line is near here. Tapering is very important but also if you go completely off by Tiny amounts there will be some changes and others symptoms will appear for months. I experienced DP/DR anhedonia e PSSD only when completely off. How are you ? Cipralex 2 years treatment (January 2017 to March 2019, with a brief interruption). Cipralex 10 mg : January 2017 - July 2017. Cipralex 5 mg: August 2017 - March 2018. Start tapering 1 mg a month. Off the medication: August 2018. Too fast tapering, crashed, doctor reinstated considering relapse. Cipralex 5 mg: September 2018 - December 2018. Tired of emotional numbness, start tapering again, 1 mg a month (didn't know it was so fast, following my doctor advice). Off the medication: March 2019. PSSD and painful withdrawal symptoms: January 2020 until now. Some improvements but still struggling. Supplements: some Omega 3 and probiotics, a bit better. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 27, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 27, 2021 15 hours ago, Willfinish said: No, but now i’m having big windows of feeling normalish. I think the finish line is near here. Tapering is very important but also if you go completely off by Tiny amounts there will be some changes and others symptoms will appear for months. I experienced DP/DR anhedonia e PSSD only when completely off. How are you ? I'm glad you are feeling better. I don't want to update about myself just yet. Hopefully you will be fully healed soon. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted April 27, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted April 27, 2021 "Doctor" is such a meaningless title. What does it actually mean? That you went to an expensive school every day for years and managed to memorize terms and things other people THINK about how our bodies and minds work? (And that are mostly vague and incomplete assumptions?) I don't think I will ever see any kind of doctor ever again unless there is a risk of death. Who else started to realise after being through WD that most human high status organizations and mainstream media are actually based on lies and more lies? I used to think this stuff was pointless conspiracy theories. - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted May 2, 2021 Hey guys check out the new Instagram post https://www.instagram.com/p/COYXbqSDGNs/?igshid=znnnvo77rz9x What do you think? I probably won't be using red text anymore as it seems a little harder to read - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Mentor Yesyes123 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Mentor Share Posted May 9, 2021 Is there a topic in here about Iron supplements? Or some trustworthy information outside SA... Thanks so much - Escitalopram 10mg from ages 15 - 21 - Severe crash after 4 month taper to 0 - Reinstated, stabilized, slowly tapering. "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Hellen Keller I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Erell Posted May 9, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 9, 2021 Hello @Yesyes123, Here is what I found on SA : -ferritin-too-low-iron-supplements-anemia It's easier to find topics on SA using Google : on google I type "survivingantidepressants" and "iron" or any word you are looking for. Take care ☀️ 2006 : 20mg Paxil+Bromazepam. 2008 : cold turkey of both. 2010 : Reinstatement 20mg Paxil + Bromazepam. 2014-June2017 : Switch from Bromazepam to Prazepam, slow taper to 0mg. 2018 to August 2019 : Paxil 20mg taper (3% every 15 days). 22 Aug 2019 updose to 10mg (was at 8.4mg). 25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paxil. April 2020 : Paxil 10mg to Prozac 7mg bridge. Details : topic/21457 Current Supplements : magnesium citrate + fish oil Current medication : * 7pm Diazepam : 0.85mg (15 Aug 2022) / 0.95 mg (24 April 2022) / 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020) * 8am Prozac : 6.16mg (25 oct 2022, feel awful, slight updose) / 6.08 mg (9 oct 2022) / 6.24mg (11 July 22) / 6.44mg (22 May 22) / 6.64mg (4 Nov 21) / 6.72mg (8 oct 21) / 6.8 mg (15 Sept 21)/ 6.88mg (14 Aug 21)/ 6.92mg (23 Jun 21) I am not a professional, I don't give medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
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