Elisabeth1 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Hi there, Does anybody get help from a psychiatrist to get through a wave? And if so (or not) what kind of support is helpful for you? I find myself looking for help but PAWS is (still) unknown in The Netherlands. I am not even sure what to ask for but some moral support would be so welcome! Any suggestions?? August 1988-Jan 2019 - 20 mg seroxat Jan 2019-Jan 2020 - tapered from 20 mg to 2,6 mg seroxat Feb 2020 - 2,6 mg seroxat - First severe panic attack Back on ssri: from sertraline, venlafaxine, mirtazapine to fluoxetine - no effect at all July 2020 - tapered down fluoxetine to 0 - finally AD free after 32 years!! Many waves and windows but I had no clue I was having withdrawel, untill: Feb 2021 : 17 window days - 11 wave days March 2021: 25 window days - 6 wave days April 2021: 15 window days - 15 wave days May 2021: 2 window days - 8 in between and 20 wave days June 2021: window days - in between and wave days Link to post
almuPA Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Hello @Elisabeth1 , maybe the moderators or someone with more experience than me is better to answer this question. I will only Talk about what I've encountered here where I live (UK), maybe other people have different opinion or experience. Ater talking to 5 different therapist, none of them believed me when I explained about AD WD. However, I found that working in the áreas for what I was put on AD in the beginning and finding techniques to manage my anxiety throught CBT has helped to manage a bit the waves. March 2019: 10mg Citalopram April 2019: 20mg Citalopram October/November 2019(sorry, I don't remember the exact date): 10mg of Citalopram without tapering, as suggested by my pharmacist. March 2020: Started "tapering", taking the 10mg of Citalopram every other day, again, following the recommendations of my pharmacist. April 2020: Stopped taking Citalopram. I haven't reinstall since then. I've tried taking Magnesium a couple of times, but I found out it makes me nervous. I only take Paracetemol when the headache becomes unbearable (2gr every couple of weeks or so). Link to post
Elisabeth1 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Hello @almuPA, Sad to hear that your therapists did not believe you. I have found one who does believe it, but has no clue how to help! So hopefully there will be others with more positive expieriences.... August 1988-Jan 2019 - 20 mg seroxat Jan 2019-Jan 2020 - tapered from 20 mg to 2,6 mg seroxat Feb 2020 - 2,6 mg seroxat - First severe panic attack Back on ssri: from sertraline, venlafaxine, mirtazapine to fluoxetine - no effect at all July 2020 - tapered down fluoxetine to 0 - finally AD free after 32 years!! Many waves and windows but I had no clue I was having withdrawel, untill: Feb 2021 : 17 window days - 11 wave days March 2021: 25 window days - 6 wave days April 2021: 15 window days - 15 wave days May 2021: 2 window days - 8 in between and 20 wave days June 2021: window days - in between and wave days Link to post
DutchMaddy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Hi @Elisabeth1my therapist said that bodywork is helpful. Like massages. Haptonomie, shiatsu. Something that feels good and will get you out of you’re head and you’re troubled mind😏 1999-2000 1 year Fluvoxamine/Luvox/ stopped CT no witdrawal symtoms maybe 2 days brainzaps 2008-2018 10 years Prozac 30 mg. Stopped bacause I was getting depressed again, went to Pdoc en got Welbutrin cut down 20 % of Prozac after 2 month when felt litlle better cut rest of Prozac. withdrawel set in. 2018- jan 2019 took welbutrin 150 mg, did not work, tapered off with taperingstrips in 4 month. 2 month AD free then started Fuvloxamine again on july 5th 2019 2020 added Lamotrigine 150 because it did not work. march 10 2020 CT lamotrigine April 2020 stop fluvoxamine with a 4 month taper AD free since 29 July 2020 Link to post
Elisabeth1 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Very true, but you can not do this every day unfortunately August 1988-Jan 2019 - 20 mg seroxat Jan 2019-Jan 2020 - tapered from 20 mg to 2,6 mg seroxat Feb 2020 - 2,6 mg seroxat - First severe panic attack Back on ssri: from sertraline, venlafaxine, mirtazapine to fluoxetine - no effect at all July 2020 - tapered down fluoxetine to 0 - finally AD free after 32 years!! Many waves and windows but I had no clue I was having withdrawel, untill: Feb 2021 : 17 window days - 11 wave days March 2021: 25 window days - 6 wave days April 2021: 15 window days - 15 wave days May 2021: 2 window days - 8 in between and 20 wave days June 2021: window days - in between and wave days Link to post
Nomansland Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Hello everyone, changing the mind of so many uninformed psychiatrists/therapists is a long and slowly process. Showing them this leafet can help convincing them. Currently its available in english and german (see here). We are working to make it available in other languages. Greetings Nomansland 1 2021 IMPORTANT WITHDRAWAL SURVEY, PLEASE PARTICIPATE: https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0AR9IsQ61jsiXBk non-native speaker of english 3-March 2020: started Mirtazapine 15mg 3-March to 6-april aprx cutting to 0 mg 6-April to 20-April -> ~ 7,5 mg, 21-April to 31-April -> 15 mg, 1-May to 13-May -> ~ 10 mg (approx), 15-May to 19-July -> 15 mg (psychosomatic clinic) started taper with scale and file: 19-July 2020 -> 14 mg (-6,6%), 08-August -> 12 mg (-14,3 %), 27-August -> 10 mg (-16,6 %), 15-September -> 8 mg (-20 %, bad idea, heavy WD) 23-September -> 10.2 mg (+20 %, 102 mgpw), 2021: 12-April to 12-May crossover from solid pill to DIY liquid, still 10,2 mg with windows and waves... Supplements: 1 x ~125 mg magnesiumbiglycinate before bed, low histamin diet Link to post
DutchMaddy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 You are right @Elisabeth1😪 take care! So happy to have met you. You are my inspiration!! Hold on!!😘 1999-2000 1 year Fluvoxamine/Luvox/ stopped CT no witdrawal symtoms maybe 2 days brainzaps 2008-2018 10 years Prozac 30 mg. Stopped bacause I was getting depressed again, went to Pdoc en got Welbutrin cut down 20 % of Prozac after 2 month when felt litlle better cut rest of Prozac. withdrawel set in. 2018- jan 2019 took welbutrin 150 mg, did not work, tapered off with taperingstrips in 4 month. 2 month AD free then started Fuvloxamine again on july 5th 2019 2020 added Lamotrigine 150 because it did not work. march 10 2020 CT lamotrigine April 2020 stop fluvoxamine with a 4 month taper AD free since 29 July 2020 Link to post
DutchMaddy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Thank you! @Nomansland 1999-2000 1 year Fluvoxamine/Luvox/ stopped CT no witdrawal symtoms maybe 2 days brainzaps 2008-2018 10 years Prozac 30 mg. Stopped bacause I was getting depressed again, went to Pdoc en got Welbutrin cut down 20 % of Prozac after 2 month when felt litlle better cut rest of Prozac. withdrawel set in. 2018- jan 2019 took welbutrin 150 mg, did not work, tapered off with taperingstrips in 4 month. 2 month AD free then started Fuvloxamine again on july 5th 2019 2020 added Lamotrigine 150 because it did not work. march 10 2020 CT lamotrigine April 2020 stop fluvoxamine with a 4 month taper AD free since 29 July 2020 Link to post
Elisabeth1 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Thank you @Nomansland for your info. I have already tapered off since July 2020 but suffer from the waves (14 days in a row now). This article is mainly about slow tapering.. I hope there is an article on how to deal with the waves. I realize this might be an utopi because every wave is different and so are we, but there must be something in common that helps.... even maybe just a little bit? August 1988-Jan 2019 - 20 mg seroxat Jan 2019-Jan 2020 - tapered from 20 mg to 2,6 mg seroxat Feb 2020 - 2,6 mg seroxat - First severe panic attack Back on ssri: from sertraline, venlafaxine, mirtazapine to fluoxetine - no effect at all July 2020 - tapered down fluoxetine to 0 - finally AD free after 32 years!! Many waves and windows but I had no clue I was having withdrawel, untill: Feb 2021 : 17 window days - 11 wave days March 2021: 25 window days - 6 wave days April 2021: 15 window days - 15 wave days May 2021: 2 window days - 8 in between and 20 wave days June 2021: window days - in between and wave days Link to post
Elisabeth1 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 @DutchMaddyThank you so much for your support 😘 August 1988-Jan 2019 - 20 mg seroxat Jan 2019-Jan 2020 - tapered from 20 mg to 2,6 mg seroxat Feb 2020 - 2,6 mg seroxat - First severe panic attack Back on ssri: from sertraline, venlafaxine, mirtazapine to fluoxetine - no effect at all July 2020 - tapered down fluoxetine to 0 - finally AD free after 32 years!! Many waves and windows but I had no clue I was having withdrawel, untill: Feb 2021 : 17 window days - 11 wave days March 2021: 25 window days - 6 wave days April 2021: 15 window days - 15 wave days May 2021: 2 window days - 8 in between and 20 wave days June 2021: window days - in between and wave days Link to post
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