Bird: slow reinstate

[Bird]

I’ve been off fir a year 6/month taper too fast my system crashed and been disabled since lost cog function feeling emotions drive etc bad.

  I was doing well on it for 12 years and was misled by dr.

when I try to up my neurotransmitters anxiety etc I have slow comfy and mthfr so slow breakdown. 12 years 60mgs and 1.75 klonopin which I still take.

id give anything to get my brain firing like it was.

what are the chances of restoring one bead at a time at this point no hurry.

would my system adjust at such a slow rate. 1 bead every 4 days?

 I don’t know how to retrieve response.

desparate as cym always controlled anxiety dep well I miss it as I’m suffering

[ChessieCat]

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[Altostrata]

Welcome, @Bird

 

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[Bird]

One year ago I stopped cym after taper. I was bedridden but the most disturbing part is I’m suffering anxiety spdep cycling daily, and I’ve lost all ability to feel love joy pleasure I’m completely dead inside no tv books come etc. I was a tech whiz and have been stripped to a in a box existence not even the bare essentials of feeling to pull myself out of dep etc.  going insane.  I wonder if it’s at all possible to slowly reinstate cym tiny.

prob since the crash I’m densetive to increase of neurotransmitters and get anxiety mania even boosting with sups. Dr wants to go high klonopin to calm and try to reinstate but the high k slows an already dead cog function.

i wonder if I could do a 2 bead at a time reinstate or any hope for me.

other meds antipsychotics etc are out as to many probs hist etc long term probs been to specialists and the klon thing is the closet idea yet

how can I get my cog function etc back as my hands are tied even w reinstatement. I took it out as to be med free stupid as I was doing well on cym.   Drs idea.  Is there a particularly easy med to reinstate not activating etc. the idea was to make it to a natural heal but m6 case is so severe I’m barely making days as non functional I’m really desparate as even tv or a book or feeling anything would be helpful as I’m losing it after all this time.

any thoughts on alternatives did TMS while tapering dr who screwed me

an6 thoughts on ect as a way to get out of dep and possibly regain what I lost to this, feeling personality drive reward motivation.  I understand vpcym was driving these things and don’t know if s8mply putting it back if possible would make the system pick up function. Tried adding in seratonin dopamine naturally get bad anxiety. Since I’m so far down the pipe it might be years I’m told and drs are baffled had cat scans etc.    I just woke one day 4 weeks after last beads and everyone was gone.   Any advice.   Any positive ti ect or something radical

[Altostrata]

10 minutes ago, Bird said:

how can I get my cog function etc back as my hands are tied even w reinstatement.

 

Why are your hands tied?

 

It sounds like you have fairly typical symptoms of protracted withdrawal syndrome.

 

If you're talking about Cymbalta, you could take a few beads from a capsule to see if it helps. See Tips for tapering off duloxetine (Cymbalta)  for instructions for taking a very small dose. Please let us know how you're doing.

 

We really need your drug history in your signature. 

[Bird]

Tied because I dint seem to have the ability some have in desparation to go back on I’m so devoid of cog function I need the ststem bav

ck on.as I’m not gonna make the time fir natural healing.ive experienced short windows but they are bitter sweet to have everyone thing back to lose em again and typically the conditions are worse for 5he time till the next one.

i had a few in a row now nothing for a month. .   I so lonely stuck in this isolation and in pain mental n physical daily.

afain grasping this would be described as anhedonia to the highest degree because if the lack of cog function also. I repeat I was a whiz on cym miss my clicking self never had dep anxiety on cym. Bad dr caused the stop and my ignorance. I know the memory loss thing with ect

wondet if with one your files anyone c9me back to life regain ability in paws through ect or slowly reinstating at a point maybe my cns could handle.

dont wanna go on 6 mgs klon to settle things to do a ad try that may just set me back then I’m on big klon.   I took 60mgs cym 1.75 klon for 12 years well 

stopped for no good reason without doing my research on the possible disaster oust outcome or I’d left it alone don’t wanna die at 55 I had so many plans

[Bird]

Being so sensitive now to stimulation I’m hesitant to even try a few beads but my drs idea is to raise the klon level substantially to calm so I can but I don’t find klon that sedating to do this.  How then would I be stuck at high klon dose if reinstatement doesn’t work.

ibwas so good on cym but once off got stripped completely and left w cycling anxiety dep and no way in this f d up industry to comprnsate

i was naive as I had a good treatment and was led away from my safe path into hell.      I intend to taper quit heal but I got stripped and now at the mercy of this industry.     I’d be happy to reinstate because the drug free thing was a whim brought on by a TMS dr and I just wanna function again

how serious are you about trying beads check the reaction etc.

when I don’t do the big klon boost first the dr will default to his list of options. I have slow compt enzyme slow breakdown and mthfr so ad far as even using meds I’m in the worst position.  Originally the cym was a bit much so dr put klon on it and I made that work nicely for a long time but again I broke the combo and need advice what to do as the anxiety is horrible and dep goes all the way to hopeless   I’m scared.   At this rate I won’t make the healing distance.

[ChessieCat]

  

3 hours ago, Bird said:

Thank you just a guess please with my sensetivity to the increase in neurotransmitter now after pulling the cym which worked well 12 years

odds for success in restarting even if I have too put 4+ beads in a cap

if it sends me off into anxiety badly his long should I keep trying.

see I loved my cym but got hit so badly taper stopping I would give anything to get back there.    Do you know of anyone reinstating at a snails pace successfully given my brain has had a year of paws.

ive gotta do something as you know the drs are no help just the list of available meds.  My genomijnd report shows cym as a good option as I said I always did well but initially the dr put klon over it because it was stimulating and that worked for many years I still take the klon but my drs advice is to drastically increase it which I’m not comfortable with.

im so very sorry for what I’ve done and want to get back as I need what it was providing my head is dead but even nut sups send me up 

I’m hoping the synapses etc will respond ok.    Please say there’s a chance as I’m at my end. I know I’d be better if my wd wasn’t so bad and I had a robust system like some who go in and out with meds but I need some hope.

4 beads?   2 beads?     I’m in no hurry I just need it to work to get to 30mgs to start.   Please

 

Alto suggested a few beads.  A few generally means 3 or 4.  When reinstating it is better to start with a low dose and to increase by a tiny bit more if needed than to risk taking too much.  It takes about 4 days for a dose to get to full strength in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain.

 

Please note that you will probably not need to go back to 30mgs Cymbalta.

 

The idea of reinstating is not to get rid of symptoms completely but to bring them to a bearable level.  You will need to be patient and try not to panic.  When we panic we can make bad decisions.  We have members here at SA who have panicked and ended up taking too high a dose of their drug and things got worse.

 

Please keep daily notes of your symptoms so that you can see what effect taking a small dose of Cymbalta has on your symptoms.

 

Please read Post #1 of this topic:

 

About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

 

 

[ChessieCat]

On 3/26/2021 at 9:36 AM, Altostrata said:

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[Bird]

Thank you. As being in paws for a year I’m totally dry feeling in my head I can’t handle anything without a dep episode panicky very upset as stopping cym left me unable to do or go. So I hope you understand stopping cym 6 month taper too short has destroyed me.   On I did well

but ho much can I get back as I’m sure my brain is trying to heal but I have so little of what cym gave me I can’t handle even around the house stuff

ibwent from tech whiz to dead in my head and emotionless.

i realize the chemicals responsible for drive motivation reward etc, dopamine 

I’m having trouble breaking these things down in a natural sup form so I’m wondering if in med form I’m gonna have better or worse results  I just know if I can’t get some functionality back I’m dead.  Wondering how risky? Common it is for someone like me to be in paws ti want relief from the head being dead as the lose of cym has been hell on my body too.

biggest concern, my inability to break down stuff I’ve tried inositol, ltyrosine for dopamine b vits etc.  I’m scared the drug will overwhelm but I’ve gotta do something to get up and firing.   
Pam I deluding myself to think cym can go back in?

others have talked about kindled. Cns etc.      knowing these limitations and time a year should I give it a go, of course my dr will give me anything but don’t want to go off into antipsychotics etc I have a med fear I loved my cym was urged to stop by TMS guy d*ck.      I was careless in tak8ng on the stop.

again I’m wondering odds of success to maybe just get out of non functional

im not agpfraid of cym was good to me but fear a sudden increase in neurotransmitters  As I’m having bad anxiety from stopping and dep

on cym both well controlled.    Odds of getting 3 beads in for a start?

obviously concerned of getting worse I wish I had a real robust system but not the case.  Just want to not be breaking down, and deadhead that feels like it’s falling asleep all the time even though I sleep.

inknowvtheres no guarantee but a positive from you would help or anyone else whose done this successfully what to expect.

if crazy anxiety how long should I give the 3 beads till I know if gonna work?

thanks so much...

[ChessieCat]

4 hours ago, Bird said:

how long should I give the 3 beads till I know if gonna work?

 

It takes about 4 days for a dose to get to full strength in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain.  You might start to notice some improvement in your symptoms after 1 or 2 days.

 

See the Reinstatement topic about what to do if symptoms get worse.

 

If you notice improvement in your symptoms then wait for 2 weeks before reassessing.  However, if after 1 week your symptoms are still unbearable, but have not got worse, then you might add 1 extra bead and reassess after one more week.

 

Please let us know how you are. 

[Bird]

Thank you I just wonder if you have any insight on people like me slow compt breaking things down etc in restarting and anxiety added 

when I took cym the first time I think it initially gave me increased anxiety so dr put klon on it and it worked but virgin brain as I’m in protracted wd. I’m hoping I could make this work as the other messed up options are brutal as the dr and this industry.

   Never been sick so was complacent when I decided to stop what was helping me huge mistake I just want out of this without getting dragged to ect or a combo of things making me sick and stuck.  Pray forme 

im a good person don’t deserve this

[Heath]

@Bird welcome! You are in the right place for help with this. I am sorry  you are in a bad place rt now. Many of us have been there more than once ! Read and learn all you can here. Most of us are here because drs do not know much if anything about these medications and like you we tapered way to fast. Listen to moderators advice they will guide you through and we all are here to support you! Slow, steady, stable. One change at a time. Try not to make any major decisions during this time. You will heal and get better! Hang in there !

[ChessieCat]

2 hours ago, Bird said:

when I took cym the first time I think it initially gave me increased anxiety so dr put klon on it

 

Did you only take klonopin at the start of taking Cymbalta?

 

If you have not been taking klonopin for a long time, I suggest that you do not take it whilst reinstating, otherwise it will be difficult to know if the reinstatement is working or if the reinstatement makes things worse.

[Bird]

I was given cymbalta back then, then when it didn’t help the lil anxiety the dr put klonopin in.   Worst mistake ever 

I’ve been taking the klon ever since even now. Makes no sense that I tapered stopped the cym and left the klon but wasn’t thinking.

obviously I can’t just stop klonopin as been taking so long.

do still try the reinstatement Ad I can’t stop the klon

the idiot drs idea was to take a much larger dose of klon as to settle things down then try to put the cym back in.       
I was not on board w that as I’m fighting dep anxiety from stopping cym.  And the klon prob adds to dep.   I’m in deep as I’ve got to get functional wo the cymbalta sending me through the roof.

im literally at the end of my rope backed in a corner. Opened myself to disaster stopping the cymbalta which was w klon keeping things in check for 12 years.  With the collapse of stopping cym this sensetivit6 to increasing neurotransmitters has me concerned what 3 beads might do.

im really at the end seriously.

fyi I’m still on the 2 mg klon as from the beginning though on its own is no good. When paired with cym I never even noticed it I just took my cym in the am and klon 3 times.   Ate slept strong etc.    I’m a wreck now that I had that collapse from cym stop. It wrecked me and I’m still fighting.

dont want drs next step antipsychotics lithium ect they don’t care.

not a big pill fan but I can’t argue cym klon worked till I upset the balance.

gotta do something. Have you ever heard of this kinda sensitivity?   What do people do move to something else?

   I’m my shape I can’t afford any trial and error w their wds as I’ll lose all functionality I need to get functional if at all possible as the alternatives are not pretty.     So no I have to keep taking the klon.  Thoughts?    Thanks

[ChessieCat]

Q:  Do you take the same dose of klonopin every day?

 

If you take it as needed, how after do you take it?

 

If you are taking it irregularly then it may be that the klonopin is causing issues.

 

Please create your drug signature as requested.  It saves the mods time and also reduces the chance of us making an error with our suggestions because we can see your drug history at a glance and not have to read back through your posts to get the information.

[Bird]

Yes I take 1.5 mg   .5 x3 a day.  I know that’s bad but that was given the same time as the cymbalta day one.

having stopped the cym upset the balance stupid on my part I don’t know what I was thinking as I still take it and my interest in getting cymbalta back.

since stopping c and the bad paws the klon I’m sure is problematic but I’ve not 5e physical or mental strength to taper it. 
the priority at this point is to sucessfullly get back what cym was doing all those years if possible. I’ve opened myself to this horrible industry of drs and bad meds when cym was always good.   Poor judgement and forethought on my part but I’ve got to do something cause the drs think nothing of antipsychotics, ect and such. I’ve gotta make this work.

 

thanks for your time and efforts

[ChessieCat]

Q:  Why are you taking klonopin 3 x per day?  Klonopin has a long half life.

 

Q:  Do you feel dopey and tired throughout the day?

[Bird]

When I was taking 60 cym everything was fine as the c was holding ser nor dop and I was strong body and mind.

now that I’ve been years dosing the same way I can’t change it but yes since stopping c I’m dead in the head.  I really opened myself to disaster and again my intentions and prayers is that I can bead it back in as I’ve got to get the system firing again. I just don’t know how my system will react to an ad after a year but I won’t make the time it takes for natural healing of the system.
obviously I don’t have a prob taking a med it’s just stopping c was a huge mistake bad timing bad dr as he knew I was still on klon. Lots of mistakes I don’t wanna die for as dep is huge with no c help.

note I was given c for IBS not dep. never dep in my life till dropping c.

im following your suggestion of 2 beads 4 days etc 4 days.   Hoping and praying it won’t launch me as I don’t want to go to the next level of ads or treatments the drs just throw around.

praying

[ChessieCat]

Are you planning to take 2 beads, wait 4 days and then take more beads?

 

It would be better to wait for 1 week before reassessing.  See below:

 

On 3/28/2021 at 8:09 AM, ChessieCat said:

If you notice improvement in your symptoms then wait for 2 weeks before reassessing.  However, if after 1 week your symptoms are still unbearable, but have not got worse, then you might add 1 extra bead and reassess after one more week.

 

[Bird]

Problem

i think the outline for reinstatement is good for someone suffering in wd wishing to go back on.

im in paws with almost no ciPig function been stripped of all feeling drive reward system etc was just in wd till 4 weeks after last lode woke up to everything everybody gone.

my syste now for the last year even as I try nutvsups etc to increase ser dop etc goes tight into high anxiety to even panic w b12 floate etc.

i did I mg cym last two days and as expected high anxiety to almosrpt panic.

that can’t be good at one mg.  But I’m so depleted in the head I’m dying

akthough the one mg cleared my eyes gave a mental strength it’s not controllable as the anxiety etc is non functional.

thecwd initially left me 3 months bedridden and I’ve fought through countless battles with suicidal dep and there’s no dr help ad all they have are pills and my brain won’t allow the increases don’t know what to do ad it’s said I need to wait for the system to heal but I feel irs so long and cym left me nothing to fight off dep like a feeling, reward system Nothing 

I have nothing to distract to tv books etc. don’t know what to do 

I was great on cym led off by tms dr I didn’t research the outcome only want back on but appears the reinstatement even at one mg is like starting over fresh and mtpy brain isn’t having it.

am I right in assuming that the reinstatement schedule is more for someone suffering in wd not someone like me been off and suffering a year.?

probkem is I’ve heard of mycsituation taking years to .heal

i just don’t have the tools in mupleft in my head from wd to do that long as I’m 90%housebound suffering everyday.

any suggestions.   If I continue to take the one mg and it doesn’t improve how would I ever get to a therapeutic dose    If I keep going I’m setting myself for more wd pain coming off even small amount short time.

baaaaad sit are you aware of any other way to treat or out of paws from cym

 

[Altostrata]

@Bird , as you can see, we ask very practical questions to get details about your drug intake and reactions.

 

You may be experiencing adverse effects from your Klonopin use. We need to know your daily Klonopin schedule and history.

 

The ranting and rambling is not so helpful to the staff. There are hundreds of people on this site who are very unhappy with the effects of their drugs and withdrawal syndrome. I am sorry you're having these problems. But if you don't want to talk about tapering or addressing your withdrawal symptoms, the staff doesn't need to respond to your posts.

[Bird]

Yes the klonopin I’m sure is an issue .5 x3 daily.  Worked well with cymbalta 60 mg till I tapered and stopped cym crashed

im in no shape to do a taper mentally or physically.

i tried to reinstate cym at the one mg dose unfortunately my system is so kindled that I couldn’t even tolerate it did four days and now suffering horrible backlash.    I just can’t put in anything that raises ser nor dop gonna have to live in paws until healed. Not sure how as dep and non function have got me disabled.  I guess I’m one of the few who moved on this uninformed of the worst possible consequences and cost me my life.

thanks for the effort