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Please. Would it be just a case of adding another Mg to up the dose to 2mg with reinstatement . Would this be recommended? 

SL

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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I’m sorry I sounded so harsh.  At times, it seems like the only way to cut through the anxiety and the noise created by the desperate need that people have to “do something” about their conditions.  T

It’s normal to feel that way.  This is a devastating condition in which to find oneself.  You will go back and forth — feeling that you can cope, feeling that you cannot cope, time and again.  At the

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Have you felt any benefit from taking 1mg?

 

Not having anything to eat until noon might be causing some problems. When your blood sugar is low, your body increases adrenaline production. This may give you symptoms of anxiety.

 

Please try to eat some solid food for breakfast and take the duloxetine with food.

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@Altostrata Yes Initially I did feel a lot of benefit. I think it did venture  into hypomania territory reinstating but that is more functional than this state now . I am really struggling to keep going like this. I don’t recognise myself. It’s not sustainable for much longer. Would an increase help with WD symptoms and would it just be another mg?. 

I will take the Duloxetine with food too.

Thank you 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Altostrata

If it helped, you might add another 1mg. I am worried about the diarrhea, though, that can't be pleasant. Please do take with food, and at the same time each day. You may be so sensitive, being off by an hour or two might cause symptoms.

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@Altostrata thank you. I will try 2mg. I did take the Duloxetine with food today. Bizarrely, approx 30mins to an hour later I felt extremely sick and sat at the toilet bowl. I then slept for an hour. Both of those things highly unusual. 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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This is worrying. Perhaps you could add 1 bead per day, not all at once.

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@Altostrata @Rosetta @Gridley and anyone with advice 

Update:

Saw Psych today. 

She has agreed with me that this is likely AD withdrawal from tapering too quickly. (A taper she suggested!) Offered Duloxetine reinstatement or swap to fluoxetine which is easier to taper. I took staying on D and reinstating. Do people think that’s wise?

She suggested 20mg Duloxetine and eventually came down to 5mg reinstatement. Unsurprisingly she does not think that a few mg here or they will make a difference. I  disagree as ive learnt from here and will increase by 1mg at a time.  I’m presuming here would agree a jump to 5mg is too much??? Or would that stabilise me and mean then I can taper quicker?  

She is also offering Diazepam to manage anxiety/panic - a drug for a drug. 🤯 I won’t be taking those unless at a point of crisis.  

There is a 2 year wait here for 12 sessions of counselling through the NHS so that type of support is not available.  There may be possibility of input re managing what she termed  potential active ‘trauma’ symptoms via a specialist service...but unsure of time frames. She is sending info for me to think about.

 

I mentioned support from here, she thought that ‘reading too much from people who are struggling does not mean that ADWD will be a lengthy or difficult process for me!!!!! I said that was fair enough but lived experience of 15000 members is very real.......and my WD is already difficult.  

She mentioned Royal college Psych NICE guidelines being updated and maybe they have been slow as a profession to acknowledge difficulties with AD’s.  However apparently “most people  find it easy to stop and don’t have issues’. 🤯...and your invalidating point is????? 

Anyway, at least she listened, seemed to agree and  I have some support in ongoing prescription of Duloxetine to reinstate as needed. One success I guess!.  I see her again in 2 months ish and in meantime if things are hard or at crisis point...I just have to do some yoga apparently. (Yoga would have been a much better prescription 20 yrs ago, thanks) 

I have told work I won’t be back till June. So another couple of weeks grace. 

SL 🙏🏻 

 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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If I were you, I'd increase by 1 bead every few days from 1mg and see how you feel. I would not leap to 5mg all at once.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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11 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

If I were you, I'd increase by 1 bead every few days from 1mg and see how you feel. I would not leap to 5mg all at once.

@AltostrataI was going to increase by 1mg to 2mg initially as I have to reach some kind of ‘function’ to go back to work.  You think this is too much? And would the concern be because of the stomach issues? Or something else.? I can handle if the physical symptoms increase as long as the emotional stabilise somewhat. 

Thanks v much for advice 

SL

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Rosetta

SL,

 

Hi.  I see that you had some odd symptoms the other day.  In light of that, I’m a bit concerned.  Maybe you should see if those symptoms or any other odd ones appear again before you take an extra bead?

 

I have seen many people worry about getting better faster, and we all do that, of course.  Outside pressures make us try to rush things.  If we do, we can end up delaying the progress by quite a bit.  These drugs build up in our systems at different rates for all of us.  So, please use caution.  I think it’s a bad time to take any risks.  

 

I always get nervous when I see that diazepam has been prescribed.  If you take the diazepam, whatever dose the doctor gave you is most likely far too much.  I learned that the hard way.  I had no idea a benzo could hurt me.  I wish they had never been prescribed.  At first, I didn’t see that there was any problem as I had never taken them before.  I didn’t have immediate “adverse” reactions.  I had an over-reaction — it knocked me out completely.  That was a relief considering what I had been going through, and I didn’t know that was not the expected result from 0.25 mg of Xanax.  The pushback by my system was the problem.  Every time I took some Xanax, I had a later increase in my anxiety.
 

Luckily for you, you have seen the ideas on SA.  So, you know about how sensitive you might be, and that you risk an adverse reaction.  I wonder what mg your pills are? I would post that here.  They come in so many different sizes.  Hopefully, you can avoid taking it.  Maybe you should check out the benzos info here just in case.  
 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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43 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

SL,

 

Hi.  I see that you had some odd symptoms the other day.  In light of that, I’m a bit concerned.  Maybe you should see if those symptoms or any other odd ones appear again before you take an extra bead?

 

I have seen many people worry about getting better faster, and we all do that, of course.  Outside pressures make us try to rush things.  If we do, we can end up delaying the progress by quite a bit.  These drugs build up in our systems at different rates for all of us.  So, please use caution.  I think it’s a bad time to take any risks.  

 

I always get nervous when I see that diazepam has been prescribed.  If you take the diazepam, whatever dose the doctor gave you is most likely far too much.  I learned that the hard way.  I had no idea a benzo could hurt me.  I wish they had never been prescribed.  At first, I didn’t see that there was any problem as I had never taken them before.  I didn’t have immediate “adverse” reactions.  I had an over-reaction — it knocked me out completely.  That was a relief considering what I had been going through, and I didn’t know that was not the expected result from 0.25 mg of Xanax.  The pushback by my system was the problem.  Every time I took some Xanax, I had a later increase in my anxiety.
 

Luckily for you, you have seen the ideas on SA.  So, you know about how sensitive you might be, and that you risk an adverse reaction.  I wonder what mg your pills are? I would post that here.  They come in so many different sizes.  Hopefully, you can avoid taking it.  Maybe you should check out the benzos info here just in case.  
 

 

@Rosetta Hi, you mean the nausea /sickness and then immediate sleep for an hour? Yeh, it happened again today? Really odd.  The hour sleep I love...but it’s so weird as it does feel like when you get a bug and suddenly your body makes you sleep. It’s also strange that it seems to have begun since taking D with food? I don’t know what to do with that. I had no luck when asking the Dr today.  I am really tempted to increase up to 2mg or 5mg though.  In my head I can handle any increase in physical symptoms. Though the RLS and body agitation is hellish at the moment.  Mostly in the middle of the night.   I really can’t handle the emotional side of WD at the moment  though.......I really tried but I’m at the edge of not continuing to manage.  That was my logic? I’m worried that I’m traumatising myself more the longer I try to ‘get through’.  It’s so hard...I really don’t know.  

 

I have no idea what Diazepam strength she is prescribing.  I have to pick it up tomorrow.  I don’t have any intention of taking.....unless life depends on it. 
SL 


 

 


 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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By updosing to 2mg you are risking an increase in the agitation, in my opinion.  You don’t need that.  Do you understand the theory of adverse reactions?  I won’t say it’s simple, but how to minimize them is.  Doubling your dose is a bad idea until you monitor it a bit more.  That hour of sleep is really odd.  Your system might be overreacting to something.  I don’t know.  Post your notes, and we will see what Alto thinks.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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I mean, do you get it that updosing at the wrong time or by too much can leave you with increased agitation that does not go away if you take the extra dose away?

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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10 hours ago, Rosetta said:

 

 

10 hours ago, Rosetta said:

Do you understand the theory of adverse reactions?

@Rosetta I’m not sure. I guess I don’t know what I don’t know. If that makes sense.

 

9 hours ago, Rosetta said:

 

I mean, do you get it that updosing at the wrong time or by too much can leave you with increased agitation that does not go away if you take the extra dose away?

 

No, I don’t think I did. 

 

Im just desperate to feel better, normal. Be able to function. I’m trying so hard. 

 

Anyway, this morning I have had severe nausea and sickness off the scale. I hadn’t even eaten or taken the Duloxetine. Wtf.

 

I am so confused  about everything, what to do, not to do. Whether to do anything. 

 

Just wish I could switch everything off. I’ve had enough. People

here are stronger than I am. 

 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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I’m sure it seems that way.  Some people are in better shape than you are and some of those people don’t cope as well, and vice versa.  
 

I wish I had some advice, but maybe @getofflex has some ideas.  This may be something you have to work through.  In any event, don’t make any changes.  Take the D with little bit of yogurt perhaps.  If you can keep it down, then we will see what the Mods think.
 

I wish l could actually help you.  Make an effort to do your notes, ok?  That’s the best way to help yourself.
 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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7 hours ago, ScottishLass said:

Anyway, this morning I have had severe nausea and sickness off the scale. I hadn’t even eaten or taken the Duloxetine. Wtf.

 

Do you have this at the same time each morning?

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@Altostrata hi

yes I guess,  it’s always been mid morning so far.  

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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This does not seem to be from the duloxetine you're taking in the morning.

 

It could be that 1mg is so small, you are metabolizing it overnight and getting interdose withdrawal symptoms in the morning. 

 

If you are thinking of adding a bead, you might add it at 3 p.m. Then you would be taking 1 bead at 11 a.m. and 1 bead at 3 p.m.

 

This may help. If it does, you can gradually move both to noon or morning, whatever is most convenient for you to take at the same time each day.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

This does not seem to be from the duloxetine you're taking in the morning.

 

It could be that 1mg is so small, you are metabolizing it overnight and getting interdose withdrawal symptoms in the morning. 

 

If you are thinking of adding a bead, you might add it at 3 p.m. Then you would be taking 1 bead at 11 a.m. and 1 bead at 3 p.m.

 

This may help. If it does, you can gradually move both to noon or morning, whatever is most convenient for you to take at the same time each day.

@AltostrataThank you 🙏🏻 Sorry do you mean 1mg at 11am and another 1mg at 3pm when u say ‘bead’? 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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@Rosetta

thanks 

SL

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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On 5/11/2021 at 5:10 PM, ScottishLass said:

@Altostrata

By decanting 6 beads from a 60mg tablet and taking in gelatin capsule as advised here. Why?

SL

You are still doing this, and you take 6 beads on the morning, right?

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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3 hours ago, Rosetta said:

You are still doing this, and you take 6 beads on the morning, right?

@RosettaYeh ?

 

I am sick again but this time at 5am this Morning. Stomach off then nausea/vomiting. Followed by kind of sleep for hr. 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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 Maybe I have a stomach bug at the moment and that is what’s going on. I’m not asking for medical advice.......I know this site is not for that. Just my musings. It is so difficult to tell as I feel so ******* **** all the time now anyway.  All I want to do is sleep but I can’t. All I want to do is enjoy something but I can’t.  Or if I am able to remember a ‘window’ where something felt ok...well it’s not ******* enough and how do I know if there will be another.  All I want to do is be able to get through a day without sobbing or screaming explosively but I can’t. All I want to do is have a smidgen of hope that maybe things will change but that doesn’t come. All I want to do is shut my eyes and wake up and this wasn’t real,  just a ******* nightmare. I feel so broken by this.  It is highly probable  I will lose my job over this if I can’t get back in the next few weeks and be in ‘full work mode’ and I know that’s highly unlikely/impossible. That’s devastating financially and i don’t think I even care.  My relationship is over and I don’t care in fact I want to be away on my own so that pressure is gone.  I have to move from this property but I live in an expensive city and once my salary stops coming in I can’t afford anything that I would be willing to live in.  I don’t blame this all on the medication...its me too but these drugs HAVE 100% hijacked and changed my life.  Ruined my nervous system by the look of it. All of this from, what now in hindsight caused by a ******* traumatic incident that I had NO control over and did not ask for. Then hospital admission....drugged and bam......life changed. Now....changed permanently it seems. I can’t process it all. I can’t believe it all. I can’t be in this position. What do I do, where do I go. There is nothing, nowhere.  It’s hopeless. 
I know I shouldn’t even be writing this here. Well sorry. This little ******* box of text is all there is and I need to get this **** out of my head.   Sorry someone has to read it by default. I’m not asking for anything. It just is. Please if anyone is going to leave a response, please don’t tell me to get myself together or be positive or tell me how pathetic this is.  I know that already in every cell of my body. 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Rosetta

I won’t say any of those things.

 

Alto spoke of interdose withdrawal.  What that means is that splitting your dose into 2 might help.  You would gradually change to taking 3 beads in the morning and 3 beads 12 hours later, I believe.  The theory is that your body is processing all six beads by the next morning, and that could be why you vomit.  
 
How, exactly, you change, I can guess, but hopefully there will be some instructions coming along soon.  I think that you would move 1 bead to the evening (10 pm?) by taking it later in the day over a few days until it is taken at 10 pm.  Then, you would move another bead?  I’m only guessing.  
 

Maybe you can add a bead in the evening and subtract from the morning dose the very next day?  A Mod will have to say. @getofflex

 

Yes, this medication issue has had a profound effect on your life.  You have a right to feel sad, angry, and depressed about that.  Whether you can go back to work in a few weeks, I don’t know.  You can try moving the beads, and you might be able to work.  It all depends.  
 

As far as your relationship, I won’t presume anything, but what does your significant other want to do? Is breaking up his/her first choice, too?  

 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Sorry for the outburst. It’s been a very dark week. I have been paralysed thinking of what to do with meds etc etc and not able to keep the daily notes. I will attempt those again. 

I am on 2mg. I have yet to pick up the psych prescription (Duloxetine and Diazepam) as not made it out of the house. As things have been so bad I have been considering ditching the Diazepam in the bin straight away when I pick up the meds. I’m worried if they are here I will be too tempted to take them for a chance of reprieve for just a wee bit. I have a feeling that would be disastrous in the long run. I am however absolutely desperate for a reprieve.

SL

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Altostrata

Are you now taking one bead in the morning and one in the evening? Has your symptom pattern changed after you did this?

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ScottishLass

@Altostrata yesterday and today I have taken 2mg at 11am.  On Sunday eve I had some increased RLS. I had no vomiting/sleeping on Sunday or today just some general nausea. I have only just understood the bead thing...sorry. I was not reading properly or taking it in.  Maybe I will take 1mg in the morning and 1 mg at night tomorrow. 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Altostrata

You added the bead on Sunday and did not sleep Sunday night but you had no nausea the next morning, is that correct?

 

No, I would take the 2 beads in the morning. How did you figure 1 bead is equal to 1mg?

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ScottishLass
On 5/15/2021 at 5:20 PM, Rosetta said:

I won’t say any of those things.

 

Alto spoke of interdose withdrawal.  What that means is that splitting your dose into 2 might help.  You would gradually change to taking 3 beads in the morning and 3 beads 12 hours later, I believe.  The theory is that your body is processing all six beads by the next morning, and that could be why you vomit.  
 
How, exactly, you change, I can guess, but hopefully there will be some instructions coming along soon.  I think that you would move 1 bead to the evening (10 pm?) by taking it later in the day over a few days until it is taken at 10 pm.  Then, you would move another bead?  I’m only guessing.  
 

Maybe you can add a bead in the evening and subtract from the morning dose the very next day?  A Mod will have to say. @getofflex

 

Yes, this medication issue has had a profound effect on your life.  You have a right to feel sad, angry, and depressed about that.  Whether you can go back to work in a few weeks, I don’t know.  You can try moving the beads, and you might be able to work.  It all depends.  
 

As far as your relationship, I won’t presume anything, but what does your significant other want to do? Is breaking up his/her first choice, too?  

 

 

Hi Rosetta 

I had a wee shout. Was all getting too much. Thanks for your message. Trying to get it together. 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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ScottishLass
8 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

You added the bead on Sunday and did not sleep Sunday night but you had no nausea the next morning, is that correct?

 

No, I would take the 2 beads in the morning. How did you figure 1 bead is equal to 1mg?

@AltostrataI added another 6 beads so dose now 2mg. I felt like I had to do something. My taper was too quick. My mood too dangerous if it stays consistently like this. I thought that increasing would give me a boost like before and I could stabilise and taper more slowly.     I don’t think I understood initially you actually meant 1 ‘bead’ fully. I do now. 

Sorry, yes....no vomiting or 1hr sleep following it. Increased RLS.  General nausea throughout day. I think maybe I had a sick bug??? 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Altostrata

Did your nausea get worse after you increased the dose?

 

In what ways has your condition changed for the worse since you increased the dose?

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ScottishLass

@Altostrata sorry I’m not getting what you are asking. 

No, the intense nausea and vomiting followed by a 1hr sleep  I had for a few days has stopped.  Hence, I wonder if I had caught  a general bug and it came to an end on Sunday. 

 

Since Updose  which is only 2 days..as I said the only thing I have noticed is last night RLS was increased and I had general nausea a little bit more noticeable throughout the day.  Everything else the same. 

Thank you SL

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Altostrata

I am still confused. Please provide a timeline for whatever happened on Saturday and Sunday, including when you took your drugs, how much, and episodes of nausea, sleep, or RLS.

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ScottishLass

Saturday 15/05

10.30am - Duloxetine (1mg) with food

1200 - black mood, tears, nausea + (no vomiting but sat at toilet bowl). 

1700 - Eat dinner

o/n - insomnia- slept 4-7am

Sunday 16/05

11am - Duloxetine (2mg) with food. Black mood

1200 - spontaneous crying. 

1300 - Ate lunch

Pm generalised nausea throughout. 

1800 - Ate dinner

2300 - Go to bed. Insomnia

1330 - 15.30 - increased RLS 

0400 - sleep

0700 - wake

Monday 19/05

10.45am Duloxetine 2mg with food. Black mood, spontaneous crying. 

11.45 Nausea

1300 Eat Lunch

1400 Stiff muscles and joints most of afternoon.

1600 Spontaneous crying

1800 Eat dinner

2300 Go to bed, insomnia 

1200 RLS but for short time (30 mins)

0300 nausea+ 

04.15 sleep

wake at 0500, 0615, 0630. 

0715 Awake

 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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@Rosetta 

So the Dr prescribed 6mg of Diazepam. You wondered previously what the amount would be.  I was going to put it in the bin but I didn’t.  I’m determined to come off the AD’s and hopefully the 2mg Duloxetine will manage the WD symptoms and I can taper slowly from there when a bit more stable. My question, which may anger some but I am trying the best way I can to manage current state, stay alive in the process and quit these AD’s for good.  So I will ask. How destabilising, dangerous or stabilising in the short-term would taking the intermittent Diazepam at 6mg when the ‘terror’ overwhelms? Am I trying to stabilise appropriately or am I digging a bigger hole for myself? I’m so confused as to what’s safest, best etc etc. 

SL

Prozac  60mg ( 1998-2014).  

Also between (1998-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

20/06: stopped Duloxetine. On 10mg Fluoxetine12/07: Updose 20mg Fluoxetine

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium. On Lymecycline AB

 

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Altostrata

Please explain more about how you feel this terror. Does it occur at any specific times of day?

 

After you switched from Prozac to duloxetine, did you ever feel right on duloxetine?

 

What happened when you took zopiclone?

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