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@Rosetta

Thank you.  It was really helpful.  Sorry to take up your time.  
I’ve been painting when I can, forcing myself when overwhelm hits.  Sometimes it exhausts me and it angers me that I’m having to do it but I almost go onto autopilot and do it.  If it’s successful and I start once I am lost in the process it has been helpful.  Distracts me from going down dark rabbit holes for a while.  You are right.  Maybe I’ll think more about routines.  Try and leave the house more.  I know I’m struggling to accept this.  I’m trying to see that this resistance is not of benefit to me.....but it hurts.  I feel like a crazy woman.  I don’t want to believe this is where I am.  I keep getting scared that it won’t end, that I’ve got everything wrong.  But...even if that was the case and it wasn’t withdrawal the reintroduction of any psych meds at higher doses or not is an absolute no no.  Therefore, maybe yes I’m stuck and NEVER wanted to be in this position but I guess I’m at least NOT still on medication and not still numb to the poison they are.  I’m further down the line. I’m aware. Trying to create a better life.  
Sorry, I just needed someone to respond and to vent and work through that.  
THANK YOU ROSETTA 💕 for your (as always), wise words and kindness. 
ps...I’ve had to start an AB which I was really scared about and it may be for 3 months.  Would you be worried about that.  I tried to see and ask on here before but didn’t really answer my question or worry.
SL

 

 


 

 

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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Hi 👋🏻 Thanks! I am trying. So, so hard.  More than I ever have.  It’s just when it’s over and over. When you feel so emotionally ***** and out of control and you don’t know for how long. I was du

It’s normal to feel that way.  This is a devastating condition in which to find oneself.  You will go back and forth — feeling that you can cope, feeling that you cannot cope, time and again.  At the

@ScottishLassKeep going. I can sure as hell tell you i am not graceful throughout W/D. i'm agitated, unstable and probably look like death warmed over to most people.   But putting one foot

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My RLS symptoms have ramped up and I don’t know why? The irritability in my legs, arms and mind is excruciating usually around 1am.  I also now seem to have a pattern of a surge of intense anxiety first thing in the morning.  A feeling of intense claustrophobia and panic that takes my breath away.  I’m trying hard to manage it.  I still only sleep 3 hrs early morning.  Whilst anger feels slightly more manageable I cannot control my tears and this is so debilitating. I feel exhausted, depleted and less and less hopeful.  I’ve  begun to wonder whether I’m doing the right thing not taking medication. Whilst I think 100% that I don’t want that.  I wonder if I’m deceiving myself that I can manage.  An old friend of mine rang me on Friday eve.  We haven’t spoken for a few years.  I answered - which is a good sign- because I wasn’t going to.  Our conversation though upset me, angered me.  I explained everything that has happened, my withdrawal from AD’s, all the reading I’ve been doing on how poisonous they are.  I got very upset explaining.  For some reason I thought she would  ‘get it’.  She however said, you are talking like you’re  ill and I think you need AD’s and my worry would be you are going to fall into a deep depression.  She then preceded to extol the virtues of citalopram that she has been on for 20 years.  I get it, if that works for her.  She just kept saying but why can’t you be on them forever...the problem is your perception of being on them.  I was angry and upset, shocked.  If one of my oldest friends can’t see, understand...who’s going to.  
it’s made me start to question myself.  What if I am making myself ill.  What if this process of withdrawal is making me ill.  How do I know when to draw a line.  I feel like a shell and I don’t know how much to trust myself in this process.  How do I know I’m doing the right thing when this period is so terrible. I can’t see out of it.  

I don’t know.  Is this normal to feel and constantly question?
SL
 

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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Mark88

As far as reinstatement goes, it probably wouldn’t work anyway,

once you have gone into withdrawal the cns becomes so sensitive 

that it just rejects the drug it’s withdrawing from, and just makes it worse, I’m not trying to put you off or anything, it’s what happened to me and I ended up feeling just as bad if not worse, and back on drugs,

all I’m saying is give it a lot of thought before you do anything,

but everyone is different.

take care stay strong 

25 years on Prozac 20mg

Quit Cold turkey March 2020

had severe withdrawals so reinstated 20mg November 2020

went up to 30 mg February 2021

went on .5 mg risperidone March 2021

still having withdrawal symptoms currently takin 30mg Prozac 

and .5mg risperidone 

 

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ScottishLass

No way out then. So tired of trying to work it out.  Is it withdrawal, is it not, is it going to last forever, is it not.  Am I ever going to feel physically or emotionally ‘normal’ again.  People on here, keep going, with grace, gratitude.  I don’t seem to have the capacity to do that.  I cannot stand these feelings, sensations.  This terror. Everyday feels like a massive feat. I’m not sure what for. I’ve failed.

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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rubywednesday

Sorry to hear you're struggling again SL, I'm sure it is withdrawal and will subside soon. Stay strong, it will be worth it at the end of the day.  

Best wishes, ruby xx

2003 - 2018 Started/stopped lithium, sodium valproate, fluoxetine, venlafaxine, seroxat, citalopram and many more that I can't remember

2018 - 120 mg Duloxetine, 20 mg Olanzapine

2019  - 60 mg Duloxetine, 20 mg Olanzapine

Feb 2020 - Quetiapine up to 200 mg slow release, 60 mg Duloxetine, reduced Olanzapine to 10 mg

Aug 2020 - Stopped Quetiapine, 60 mg Duloxetine, 10 mg Olanzapine

4 Mar 2021 - failed taper to 5 mg Olanzapine 20 Mar - 10 mg Olanzapine

19 Apr 2021 - 60 mg Duloxetine, 7.5 mg Olanzapine

 

I also have nitrazepam, lorazepam, propranolol that I take very rarely

 

Supplements 2021 - Omega 3, Multivitamin  - 8 May 2021 - 200 mg Theanine, 1000 mg Taurine

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Hi @ScottishLass

I am very sorry to hear that you are suffering this much. I know how frustrating and defeated we can feel at times. Its such a hard journey and really not explainable to people who haven't experienced it.

 

56 minutes ago, ScottishLass said:

People on here, keep going, with grace, gratitude.

If you could be a fly on my wall ,when I am at my worst let me tell you what you would see is not graceful or pretty. We all have our moments of anger, crying spells and hopelessness. How ever with that said, I make a conscious effort and choose to feed my mind with positive thoughts and become determined that I will do everything in my power to get better. Some days I succeed and other days, well not at all. Because of how slow and small these steps are, can be frustrating and sometimes feel like we are stuck at zero, but believe me when I say this, change is happening.  

You have NOT failed, you are a human being that is suffering. Yes you DO have the capacity to rise above it, dont listen to your mind telling you you cant. Those are only thoughts, and dont allow yourself to feed them.

About your talk to your friend about AD and what she belives or not,  its ok for her to have an opinion on it, doesnt mean you have to agree with her. I have sure myself talked about withdrawals and Antidepressants to friends and family, I made the decision to keep it to myself this time, cause its just people's ignorance and what society has been fed for years. Dont let it get you down, just make a note of it and keep on believing in yourself and your decision on wanting to live your best life. It takes alot of work and yes pain and suffering, but my belief is that it truly will come full circle in the end, making us stronger, wiser and more resilient towards life in general. 

 

Believe you can and you are halfway there.

 

All my best to you.

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Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg

12/5 2021- 8.5 mg 21/5 8.0 mg 

15/6 7.5 mg holding 

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@ScottishLassKeep going. I can sure as hell tell you i am not graceful throughout W/D. i'm agitated, unstable and probably look like death warmed over to most people.

 

But putting one foot in front of the other is all that really matters. I know this isn't the real me, and its not the real you either. its just the result of toxic drugs damaging our brains.

Started Lexapro 5mg Mid March 2020

 

Increased to 10mg April 2020

Increased to 15mg June 2020

Decreased back down to 10mg July 2020

Decreased down to 5mg August 2020

Came off Completely September 2020

 

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Dear @ScottishLass--Gosh, I can so relate to the difficulties you're describing.  I also have a painful time trying to explain what w/d is, and why I'm in this state--particularly when those who've asked don't really want to hear the truth about what's going on with these drugs.  I want to warn others but right now I'm not strong enough to deal with their incredulity, or in cases like your friend, their overriding support for what may still be helping them, but is causing us nearly unbearable pain.  I hate finding myself in the unexpected position of being us and them.  (At the same time, it can feel like such a relief when people get it and understand--especially those close to us.)

All this to say, I sure support you, and hold the belief that this will get better for you (and all of us).🕊️

Arbor

Zoloft: 1995 - 2015

Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on  December 15, 2018

Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019  (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019

Enalapril: 2010 - 2019

Lipitor: 2017 -2017

Metformin: 2000 - 2020

Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019

Levothyroxine: 2000 - 

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Rosetta

If you want to say so, what is the antibiotic called?  Did you look it up here to see what people have experienced after taking it?  Do you know how to do that?  Into an outside search engine type survivingantidepressants then the name of the drug.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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ScottishLass

@rubywednesday @Hanna72 @mva96 @arbor @Rosetta

Thank you so much for your responses which all contain such kindness and sound advice.  I know what I say is tiresome and I have used this place to moan and vent without really providing support for others and I’m sorry for that.  I truly appreciate the kindness that has been shown.  These drugs are a ‘cruel mistress’ and I wish I’d made different choices or had more control to do so at the time of being medicated and in the years following.  I think I’ve hit a wall which surpasses my ability to cope.  I say to myself, you’ve been here before, keep going and I have but each time I do the wall gets higher and I seem to disintegrate more. I don’t know how to keep at it. Who or where to get help.   I don’t recognise myself.  I can’t seem to process where I am and absolutely can’t accept this as my continuing situation.  I can’t  see the future I’m so frightened.  One foot in front of the other I know but I don’t see the path.  
Sorry for the posts and those reading. I know it’s not helpful to anyone and I will stop.  
Take care

SL
 

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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Rosetta

It’s normal to feel that way.  This is a devastating condition in which to find oneself.  You will go back and forth — feeling that you can cope, feeling that you cannot cope, time and again.  At the moment I felt I could not go on, I set aside my worry about it by doing something else.  In a few hours, I felt better able to go on.  
 

You will feel worse in the morning, most likely, if you sleep.  If you can’t sleep, the nights are very hard.  One day, you will start to sleep better.  Then, you will feel awful in the morning, but you will learn that the evenings are better.  You will start to count on a break in the evening.  That will help you get through.  

 

Helping others is for when you are not suffering so terribly.  In a window, after you have done some healing, you will feel capable of that.  For now, learn from reading success stories.  Find ways that help you cope the best.  Try different things.  Watch cat videos, cake decorating videos, whatever is neutral, and not likely to cause upset.   Take up a hobby, bird watch, color, cook, grow a garden, pull weeds, learn to play an instrument, etc.  Do something repetitive and monotonous perhaps like knitting.  Many people find that if they can keep their hands busy, that helps them cope.  Maybe get one of those trays with sand in it that has a little rake — a Japanese meditation tool, I think it is.  
 

You can try anything, then abandon it and try something else.  Do whatever your mind will let you do until your mind changes and will not let you do that.  I watched a lot of stupid shows on Netflix.  A complete waste of time, but I had to get through the anxiety.  I needed my attention focused away from the misery I was feeling even if for only a few minutes at a time.

 

It takes a while to learn how to cope with this new reality.  Give yourself some grace.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Jadenatalie

Hi Scottishlass! I've just been reading your thread and can relate so much. I think we're about the same stage in withdrawal, I came off on March 10th 2021, so I'm almost 13 weeks off. I rarely have a good day since stopping the meds and I'm currently in a wave, of no sleep, severe stomach issues, nausea, anxiety etc. so i do really understand what you're going through. i think my partner and my family are starting to get fed up with me to be honest and probably dont believe that withdrawal can last this long?! one of my friends suggested me going back on the meds, urrgh. 😞 x

2016-2020 Fluoxetine 20mg 

August 2020 - December 2020 Sertraline 50mg

December 2020 - March 10th 2021 Citalopram 20mg 

 

Fully med free since 10th March 2021. 

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On 6/7/2021 at 11:35 AM, Rosetta said:

It’s normal to feel that way.  This is a devastating condition in which to find oneself.  You will go back and forth — feeling that you can cope, feeling that you cannot cope, time and again.  At the moment I felt I could not go on, I set aside my worry about it by doing something else.  In a few hours, I felt better able to go on.  
 

You will feel worse in the morning, most likely, if you sleep.  If you can’t sleep, the nights are very hard.  One day, you will start to sleep better.  Then, you will feel awful in the morning, but you will learn that the evenings are better.  You will start to count on a break in the evening.  That will help you get through.  

 

Helping others is for when you are not suffering so terribly.  In a window, after you have done some healing, you will feel capable of that.  For now, learn from reading success stories.  Find ways that help you cope the best.  Try different things.  Watch cat videos, cake decorating videos, whatever is neutral, and not likely to cause upset.   Take up a hobby, bird watch, color, cook, grow a garden, pull weeds, learn to play an instrument, etc.  Do something repetitive and monotonous perhaps like knitting.  Many people find that if they can keep their hands busy, that helps them cope.  Maybe get one of those trays with sand in it that has a little rake — a Japanese meditation tool, I think it is.  
 

You can try anything, then abandon it and try something else.  Do whatever your mind will let you do until your mind changes and will not let you do that.  I watched a lot of stupid shows on Netflix.  A complete waste of time, but I had to get through the anxiety.  I needed my attention focused away from the misery I was feeling even if for only a few minutes at a time.

 

It takes a while to learn how to cope with this new reality.  Give yourself some grace.

Hi Rosetta, I'm glad to read this because i do feel much better in the evenings and wondered if this was a pattern that happens in recovery. Your words are very helpful x

2016-2020 Fluoxetine 20mg 

August 2020 - December 2020 Sertraline 50mg

December 2020 - March 10th 2021 Citalopram 20mg 

 

Fully med free since 10th March 2021. 

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ScottishLass

Hi

I agree jade, rosettas words are a godsend and @Rosetta thanks so much for your post/posts.

On 6/7/2021 at 11:35 AM, Rosetta said:

This is a devastating condition in which to find oneself.  You will go back and forth — feeling that you can cope, feeling that you cannot cope, time and again.

The back and forth is so hard but i now see the only option is to keep remembering that it will go back and forth.  There is actually no alternative to holding onto that other than giving in completely.  I see that now.  I’m working (slowly) with the acceptance of that. Trying not to fight the anger of it all the time.  It’s just eating me up doing that. I see that now too.

 

On 6/7/2021 at 11:35 AM, Rosetta said:

You will feel worse in the morning, most likely, if you sleep.  If you can’t sleep, the nights are very hard.  One day, you will start to sleep better.  Then, you will feel awful in the morning, but you will learn that the evenings are better.  You will start to count on a break in the evening.  That will help you get through

My sleep is still extremely poor approx 3 to max 4 hours between 4 and 8am and usually broken throughout.  I am really surprised that it still is so poor I thought by now my body would have stopped.  It hasn’t.  The agitation and RLS in my body is unthinkable but easing slightly.  The panic that comes in the night.  I’m trying to ‘physically move’ when that happens.  I spoke to a counsellor and she said it sounded like I get stuck in a ‘freeze’ response at that point and she suggested to move, try and get out of the paralysis and not go down rabbit holes. So, I’m trying to do that. I am starting to see patterns though, as you say r, for example the anxiety in the morning and so I am trying to notice more and work with that. 

 

On 6/7/2021 at 11:35 AM, Rosetta said:

Try different things.

Well, like you I have exhausted Netflix several times over. Though I could not tell you what I have watched. Probably for the best. I have also been painting when I can.  I like the idea of the sand tray I’m going to look that up. Thanks. I’ve struggled to get out of the house and am planning to try and address that as I feel I’m getting more and more trapped in and I know that being in nature is soothing if I do it right. 
 

Today, I made an urgent telephone appt with a GP again to try and get fluoxetine.  I tried to just continue on the 2 mg of Duloxetine and hope that I could push through it but I am becoming increasingly alarmed at my constant thoughts of S and black, black view.  I have convinced myself that if it ended it would be a ‘rational’ act.  These thoughts are not something that is in my make-up at this level usually.  It’s very different and frightening.  As it’s so different I presume it is withdrawal and not illness but it’s persistent and chaotic.  Hence, attempting to address this before it becomes law in my head. 
Anyway, this takes me to my next question @Altostrata re Prozac. 
The GP realised what a state I was in and contacted psych who agreed to a prescription of Prozac.  You had mentioned reinstating a low dose of this instead of the Duloxetine in a past post.  They have agreed to prescribe this but only at a 10 mg dose despite me pleading for lower.  The Psych reasoning apparently that I take that for 3 weeks untill I see her again and then we discuss whether tapering via liquid doses is suitable.  I am very relieved that they have agreed to prescribe it finally but really disappointed and scared at the dosage.  They have told me to stop the 2mg of Duloxetine today and replace with Prozac at 10 mg tomorrow.  Is this dangerous??  Given my absolute certainty I want OFF these poisonous drugs I feel trapped in a corner.  Either continue with 2mg D hoping something will change which feels impossible and dangerous in itself or the Prozac option at a dose that I feel is too high? With the view of tapering more slowly off Prozac ASAP. 
I would be really grateful for any advice, please. 
Thanks

SL
 

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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You are suicidal.  I assume you did not tell the doctor that.  Otherwise you would be in the hospital. 
 

Prozac at 10 mg would be dangerous, in my opinion.  That is way too much.  The risk is too great.  You risk an adverse reaction at that dose. If you are getting a liquid you can take a smaller amount even if the doctor wants you to take more.  The reason for taking this smaller amount is so that IF there is an adverse reaction it will be a small one.  It will be a reaction that you can recover from more quickly and without hospitalization. Why on Earth can doctors not grasp this concept?  
 

If you eventually need 10 mg, you will get there, safely, by updosing a bit at a time, but only after doing this test dose at an amount of 1 mg or less.  (I can’t tell you the amount.  I’m not a Mod.). Then, after you take that for several days or a week while monitoring your signs of adverse reaction, you might updose.  You might not even need to.  The sensitivity of our nervous systems while in wD allow us to benefit from very small doses of these drugs.  I wish someone would do some research on this!

 

The Mods will be here to discuss the duloxetine.  I cross over to Prozac will be needed.  You should not stop one drug and start another like that.  That is how I ended up with WD.  The doctor switched me cold from one drug to another.  @Altostrata
 

No, ending it would not be a rational act.  This is a temporary condition that is extremely difficult to live through, but doing so is worth it.  You cannot allow the ignorance of doctors to take your life.  You are a beautiful, intelligent woman with your whole life ahead of you.   When this is over, you are going to have an ability to do so many things you could not have done otherwise.  You will be so wise, so capable, so strong.  You have no idea.
 

You are not only feeling difficult symptoms from withdrawal, but you are having feelings of a mental nature that are caused by the physical condition of withdrawal.  Your thoughts are not rational.  I have been there, and I can tell you from the other side, that they are not rational at all.  You cannot give in to them.

 

Do this: when you have that thought, wait another day to see how your thoughts and feelings change.  Write them down.  You will, in only a few hours, feel completely differently.  You will see hope in holding on even if just a little OR you may feel no need to take any action at this time.  The idea that you need to do something will disappear.  The thoughts of the end will come back, but you will see that they come and go.  There is no truth to them.  They are fleeting.  
 

Please give your self a chance to see this.  You all ready know it.  Think back.  How many times have you thought that you could survive this?  Many.  How many times have you felt your symptoms ease? Many.  This is a survivable problem.  It is temporary.  Every time you have that feeling, it is temporary.  Wait another day.  That’s how I got through it.  I decided I would wait another day.  I made that decision over and over again until the SI went away.  

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Rosetta

https://sossilenceofsuicide.org/what-where-why/
 

Call them.  They are open from 4 pm to midnight Monday through Sunday

 

https://www.thecalmzone.net/help/get-help/
This is another hotline — open 5 pm to midnight every day

 

https://www.samaritans.org Open 24 hours

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Rosetta

@Gridley  Advice on Prozac and crossover issue needed, please.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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ScottishLass

@Rosetta No, I’m not suicidal yet and I haven’t made any plans. Please don’t worry.  I am just very aware of the intensity of and persistent nature of the thoughts  and feelings.  I am cognisant of the nature of them mostly.  I am aware this is something different from usual.   I am just trying to stop anything spiralling any further whilst I can…..that is my concern.  And no I absolutely didn’t say that to the dr..though even if you did…it’s unlikely in the uk you’d be whisked into a hospital.  You’d probably be told to have a bath. 
 

I too think 10mg is too much. I pleaded for liquid lower dose and was refused. It is 10mg tablet apparently. I haven’t picked them up yet. Tomorrow I will do it, I couldn’t today.  I tried to explain the reasoning but they didn’t listen. That’s why now I once again feel stuck. 
 

SL 

Thank u Rosetta

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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Rosetta

Okay.  Good.  
 

There is an easy way to use the tablets.  The Mods will discuss with you.  I can’t get the link to come up right now.

 

You are probably nearing the peak of a wave.  It will subside.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Gridley

@ScottishLass @Rosetta

 

Rosetta tagged me regarding a potential switch on your part from Duloxetine to Prozac. Shep, one of our administrators, wrote following recently on drug switches:

 

"We rarely suggest crossing over drugs other than sometimes suggesting the Prozac Bridge or sometimes suggesting a benzo crossover to Valium, but still, this is rare."

 

The reason we rarely recommend this is because of the definite possibility that a switch will make things worse.  Prozac is not a magic drug.  The difficulties of a switch are increased when the switch is from a SNRI such as Duloxetine to a SSRI like

Prozac, because the two types of drugs (SNRI vs. SSRI) work differently on the brain.

 

From the Internet:

 

SSRIs block serotonin reuptake, while SNRIs stop the reuptake of both serotonin and norepinephrine. The reuptake process reduces the availability of neurotransmitters because the brain reabsorbs them. Therefore, by blocking this process, reuptake inhibitors increase the availability of neurotransmitters.

 

My translation of this is: more changes, more potential for problems.

 

Another very important factor: the typical dosage of duloxetine is 60mg per day and for Prozac 20mg per day, or a 3:1 ratio of duloxetine to Prozac.  So you and Rosetta are correct that 10mg of Prozac would be far too high a dose of Prozac to switch to from 2mg Duloxetine.  


 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of June 15: 10.5mgai.  Taper is  44% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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ScottishLass

@Gridley  @Rosetta

thanks. It was because it has been suggested in an earlier post by altostrata that I went down that route. 

 

Now  🤯 

why is there no way out of this. 

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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ScottishLass

I just ******* can’t. It’s a nightmare. All of it.

Prozac  60mg ( 1996-2014).  

Also between (1996-2000) Short instances on Lithium, Risperidone, Quetiapine, Lamictal.   Took myself off all antipsychotics in (2000).  Prozac stopped and switched

Duloxetine/Cymbalta (2014-March 2021) - following a further failed withdrawal from Prozac- misdiagnosed as 'Relapse/illness'.

2015 - approx 3 mths  Lamictal 

(Feb 21) Tapered from 60mg of Duloxetine over approx 6weeks. 

(8th April 2021) Reinstatement Duloxetine (1mg)

Zopiclone 7mg - 1 week

16/05: Updose Duloxetine (2mg)

6mg Diazepam prescribed (not yet taken)

Supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fish Oil, Vit D and Calcium.

 

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Rosetta

I agree it’s a nightmare.  Your feelings are valid.  There is no easy way out, but there is a way out, and you can do it.  You updosed on May 16.  Maybe you will get some advice about duloxetine.  Could you post daily logs for a few days, please?  That would give more info to the mods about how you are doing

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Altostrata
On 5/18/2021 at 4:50 PM, Altostrata said:

It's possible that what you've had all along is withdrawal syndrome from Prozac, incompletely masked by duloxetine, which was too stimulating for you. 

It's possible a little Prozac, say 0.5mg, might help more than the duloxetine.

 

On 5/18/2021 at 5:21 PM, Altostrata said:

If I were you, I might add 0.5mg fluoxetine in liquid form for a week. If that seems beneficial, then go off duloxetine, as it doesn't seem to help.

 

This topic explains how to make your own fluoxetine liquid. You should be able to get an oral syringe from the pharmacist or from a veterinarian (this is how they give drugs to small animals). 

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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