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Dee12h: weaning from a low dose of Lexapro


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@Gridley @ChessieCat @brassmonkey @getofflex

 

Thanks for the help! A mod has never really looked over my case & given recommendations, so I thought I’d ask again now that I’m having problems. I settled on .85 for my dose, but I have no idea if that’s right. After taking my meds the past 3 evenings, within an hr, my anxiety & jitters are way up, & I’m having trouble sleeping again. I feel worse than ever today. I didn’t feel quite this bad when on 1.25 ev other day. I did not feel anything like this while on 2.5 ev 3rd day (for awhile in Jan & Feb before stopping- which is about .83mg/day). I’m wondering if I’m taking too much now or if this could possibly still be WD? Could it be switching to liquid? Could it be switching to everyday as opposed to skipping like I did for so long? I can’t figure out what to do- up, down, or hold? Should I try switching meds to the morning first? TIA!! ❤️
 

Putting symptoms journal below, as someone asked for that earlier...

 

May 2019 started Lex 2.5 mg

Around mid 2020 noticed low energy, went to 2.5 mg ev other day, energy improved, mood stayed stable (except maybe irritability)

Mar 2021 stopped lex (after tapering to every 3rd then 4th day)

Mar 19 insomnia started, progressively getting worse each day (felt better/great other than that)

March 29 restarted lex 2.5mg

Mar 30 slept great

April 1 2.5 lex

Ap 3 1.25 lex

Ap 5 1.25 lex

Ap 7 1.25 lex, feeling WD sx, dizzy, brain fog

Ap 9 1.25 lex

Ap 10 felt weird (upcoming trip?), took 1.25 lex a day early

April 12 felt great, little dizziness, 1.25 lex

April 13 got a bad cold, 12.5 benadryl

April 14 cold, 12.5 benadryl, 1.25 lex

April 15 Lots of dizziness (nux vomica?), cold, 6.25 mg benadryl

Ap 16- cold, 12.5 benadryl, 1.25 lex

Ap 17- 6.25 benadryl, cold getting better, a bit tingly/shaky

Ap 18- cold better, severe low blood sugar episode before lunch, shaky & arms tingly, no sleep till 1:30 (6.25 benadryl, 2mg mel & 1 tart cherry), 1.25 lex

Ap 19- no sleep till 1:30 (12.5 benadryl, 2mg mel), .75 lex

Ap 20- feel awful, dizzy, weak, irritable, tired, shaky, anxious, .9 lex, slept good (3 mg mel., 6.25 benadryl)

Ap 21- feel anxious/shaky after my dose, .85 lex, 3 mel, slept great

Ap 22- felt great, .85 lex, 1.5 mel, slept great

Ap 23- touch of bad mood afternoon, dizzy, exhausted pm, allergies am (10mg claritin), .85 lex, .5 mel

Ap 24- anxiety after med, .85 lex, dizzy, 2 mel, no sleep till 2 (6.25 benadryl)

Ap 25- lots of physical anxiety, jittery, muscle spasms

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Cool, guess I’ll just keep guessing. I stayed on .85 & moved it to the morning. I feel a little better but now am so tired I can barely function after noon. I’m a homeschool mom of 3 kids, so that’s difficult. I think I’m taking too much, but I’m not going to change anything as I have a trip this weekend I’ve been looking fwd to. I’ll drop to .8 after I get back.

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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AndyPants

The question about if it could be the switch to the liquid is one I've been wondering about too, if switching to the liquid this past week while I was having bad withdrawal symptoms made everything worse. If you felt better before at 1.25 every other day and the bad symptoms started a few days after .85 daily I think your feeling that it was too much makes sense.

 

And I thought one kid while dealing with this stuff was bad enough, three and homeschooling would be a lot!  It's hard feeling like the withdrawals and medication impact your ability to totally be there for your family and do everything they need you to do.

 

 

Lexapro/Escitalopram history:

-Spring 2012: 10 mg for maybe a couple months then up to 20mg 

-Stayed at 20 mg from 2012 to 2020

-July 2020: 10 mg

-November 2020: 5 mg

-February 15 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-February 25 2021: 3/4 a 5mg pill ~3.75 mg 

-March 25 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-April 17 2021, started experiencing insomnia

-April 20 2021, started liquid Lexapro 2.8, over the course of week and a half taken that up to 3.5

-May 14 2021 up to 3.8

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So if I feel worse right after my dose, even after switching the time of day I take it, and feel better several hours later, I’m guessing my dose is too high?

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Dee12h

I’ve been on .8 for about 5 days. I don’t feel as bad after my dose; not sure if I’m getting used to it or the lower dose helped. Now I feel like I have side effects & WD @ the same time.

 

Not sure since no one ever answered what dose I should be on. 🤷🏻‍♀️

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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brassmonkey

Hi Dee-- after five days your dose change is just starting to stabilize your blood serum levels, it will be a little while longer before things really start to settle down. I'd give it a couple of more weeks at this level to stabilize.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Dee12h

@brassmonkey, Well, my question was if I’m taking too much. I don’t think any of it was WD, actually; I felt like I did when I was on AD all along, so tired I can’t function & irritable. I moved my dose a little later in the day today & had a much better morning. I also lowered a bit more to .75. I’m not going to lower again until June 4 (after a trip) unless my symptoms are extreme. 

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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brassmonkey

I would stay with the .75 until June and see how things settle out.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Dee12h

Well after a few days of what I guess was WD, I’m back to side effects. I feel much worse after my dose in the afternoon than before my dose- fatigue mainly. The few WD days were mainly stomach/colon symptoms; other than that I felt great. I still have very mild nausea/low appetite. I also have a little trouble getting to sleep & need melatonin, which I didn’t have until WD. For that reason I’m staying, but can you have bad side effects while in WD, or do bad side effects always mean you need a lower dose?

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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AndyPants
On 5/12/2021 at 11:06 AM, Dee12h said:

Well after a few days of what I guess was WD, I’m back to side effects. I feel much worse after my dose in the afternoon than before my dose- fatigue mainly. The few WD days were mainly stomach/colon symptoms; other than that I felt great. I still have very mild nausea/low appetite. I also have a little trouble getting to sleep & need melatonin, which I didn’t have until WD.

Sorry your dealing with those effects. How much melatonin are you taking? Does it seem to help?

Lexapro/Escitalopram history:

-Spring 2012: 10 mg for maybe a couple months then up to 20mg 

-Stayed at 20 mg from 2012 to 2020

-July 2020: 10 mg

-November 2020: 5 mg

-February 15 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-February 25 2021: 3/4 a 5mg pill ~3.75 mg 

-March 25 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-April 17 2021, started experiencing insomnia

-April 20 2021, started liquid Lexapro 2.8, over the course of week and a half taken that up to 3.5

-May 14 2021 up to 3.8

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Dee12h

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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purple
On 5/12/2021 at 10:06 AM, Dee12h said:

For that reason I’m staying, but can you have bad side effects while in WD, or do bad side effects always mean you need a lower dose?

Sorry don't know the answer to that question and am a little confused by it. Do you mean if you have bad side effects from tapering that you need to bump back up to a higher dose?

Oct 2017 sertraline

Nov 2017 switched to escitalopram 10mg

Apr 2018 escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 

Nov 2018 restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg

Jan 2020 escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off

27 Aug 2020 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, found SA

27 Feb 2021 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg

7 Mar decreased to 9.5mg | 14 Mar decreased to 9.3mg | 21 Mar decreased to 9.0mg | 11 Apr decreased to 8.8mg | 18 Apr decreased to 8.6mg | 9 May decreased to 8.3mg | 16 May decreased to 8.1mg

6 Jun increased to 9.0mg

18 July decreased to 8.6mg

 

EPA+DHA 1000mg, vitamin E 400IU, magnesium citrate 250mg

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Dee12h

Side effects meaning effects from the drug, so the opposite of WD symptoms (WD= Too little drug, side effects= too much)

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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purple

Hmm, my brain isn't working right now haha. I think I need to draw this out for myself.

 

So if one is in the midst of tapering, side effects mean that the dose is too high and withdrawal effects mean that the dose is too little?

 

Sorry about my confusion.

Oct 2017 sertraline

Nov 2017 switched to escitalopram 10mg

Apr 2018 escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 

Nov 2018 restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg

Jan 2020 escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off

27 Aug 2020 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, found SA

27 Feb 2021 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg

7 Mar decreased to 9.5mg | 14 Mar decreased to 9.3mg | 21 Mar decreased to 9.0mg | 11 Apr decreased to 8.8mg | 18 Apr decreased to 8.6mg | 9 May decreased to 8.3mg | 16 May decreased to 8.1mg

6 Jun increased to 9.0mg

18 July decreased to 8.6mg

 

EPA+DHA 1000mg, vitamin E 400IU, magnesium citrate 250mg

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Dee12h

Well yeah, that’s my theory. Not sure if it’s correct. Basically side effects are any undesirable effects from a drug. WD symptoms are from not having it or as much of it anymore. So I was asking if you can have both at the same time. 

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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purple

Ahh I see. I think it's possible but I have no evidence to back up my thoughts haha. It's all theory here as well.

Oct 2017 sertraline

Nov 2017 switched to escitalopram 10mg

Apr 2018 escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 

Nov 2018 restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg

Jan 2020 escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off

27 Aug 2020 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, found SA

27 Feb 2021 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg

7 Mar decreased to 9.5mg | 14 Mar decreased to 9.3mg | 21 Mar decreased to 9.0mg | 11 Apr decreased to 8.8mg | 18 Apr decreased to 8.6mg | 9 May decreased to 8.3mg | 16 May decreased to 8.1mg

6 Jun increased to 9.0mg

18 July decreased to 8.6mg

 

EPA+DHA 1000mg, vitamin E 400IU, magnesium citrate 250mg

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AndyPants
On 5/13/2021 at 3:39 PM, Dee12h said:

This is the strongest melatonin I have ever taken. It feels like I took a muscle relaxer or benadryl! It’s 3 mg, but the sustained release mechanism is in the powder, not the capsule, so you can open it up & take much less. I try to take .5-1mg.

Thanks I'll have to check that out after I use up the melatonin's I have. I have a food scale but I don't think it's sensitive enough for such low weights so I'd have to figure that out.

 

How have your wd and side effects been the last week?

Lexapro/Escitalopram history:

-Spring 2012: 10 mg for maybe a couple months then up to 20mg 

-Stayed at 20 mg from 2012 to 2020

-July 2020: 10 mg

-November 2020: 5 mg

-February 15 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-February 25 2021: 3/4 a 5mg pill ~3.75 mg 

-March 25 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-April 17 2021, started experiencing insomnia

-April 20 2021, started liquid Lexapro 2.8, over the course of week and a half taken that up to 3.5

-May 14 2021 up to 3.8

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Dee12h

@AndyPants  I’ve been ok. I dropped my dose again to .7 bc the fatigue & irritability are hard to take (side effects from the drug). Since then I need a little help falling asleep at night (melatonin), have nausea when I don’t eat & have muscle twitching every day. I feel “off” sometimes but mostly ok.

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Dee12h

@LexAnger Hi. I tried to pm, but it said you don’t receive messages. This is what it said....

 

I was reading an old thread & saw your sig. I’m coming off lex as well. Just wondering how your tapering went & if you had any problems after 0? 
 

I had the same issue with the 2 sets of symptoms- one from the drug & one from withdrawal. The drug makes me SO tired & irritable, so I’m really tempted to taper faster. The main thing I get with WD is insomnia. It’s a balancing act for sure. Anyway, just wondering how you’re doing now. Thanks!

 

I also noticed you went faster than 10%/mo toward the end. Was that bc of the drug side effects? Thanks.

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Dee12h

Well I dropped to .7 for 6 days, and was fine except needing some melatonin at night. Until last night. It’s like WD hit me all the sudden (6 days is how long this drug takes to get out of your system completely, so that may have been why)- bad insomnia, muscle stiffness/pain, anxiety, antsy. I took .05 mg at 1am (to get back to 7.5 I had been on), and maybe it was placebo but I felt all warm & calm almost right away, went right to sleep. 🙄 I would have stayed the course if not for our week long vacation coming up on Sunday. I can’t mess around with insomnia right now. I shouldn’t have dropped so close to a vacation; I was just SO sick of the fatigue & irritability. That’s all back today though- kinda feel like a zombie.

 

But I learned a lot through the experience. I now can tell a big difference between side effects & WD symptoms, and yes, you can have them at the same time, especially with yo-yo-ing your dose! I can’t believe .05mg of something can make that big of a difference. 😳

 

Lex side effects for me: lots of fatigue, irritability, becoming overwhelmed & overstimulated very easily, brain fog- memory & hard to concentrate, lower motivation, just want to get away from everything, higher appetite 

 

WD effects for me: insomnia, more anxiety, muscle issues- stiff, pain, twitching/spasms, stomach issues- nausea, loss of appetite, colon cramping, minor mania if I go too quickly

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Aleena

What you are suffering are usual side effects and wd effects. Why are you not using any supplements. They are quite helpful with withdrawals. I suffer the same and also more problems due to this strong drug. Please try holding for at least 2 weeks before going lower. 

  • Escitalopram 5mg  13dec 2020 to 23 Jan  2020 for 5weeks each day. 
  • Replaced escitalopram with st. John's wort 500mg 2feb2021 to 13feb 2021 for 10 days. Then again suffered panic attacks, pounding heart and chest pain. Heart rate fluctuations 90 to 100s.. 27days off of escitalopram, 900mg omega 3. Bad withdrawls 
  • Reinstated 1mg escitalopram 27, 28 Feb 2021.. 0.4mg 7march to 2 April, 0.35mg 4 April to 10 April, 0.3mg 10 April to 19 April (heart palpitations, chest pain), reinstated 0.35mg 20 april continued.. 
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Aleena

Yes you can feel the side effects at lower dose too. I feel the  side effects and withdrawals at the same time. 

  • Escitalopram 5mg  13dec 2020 to 23 Jan  2020 for 5weeks each day. 
  • Replaced escitalopram with st. John's wort 500mg 2feb2021 to 13feb 2021 for 10 days. Then again suffered panic attacks, pounding heart and chest pain. Heart rate fluctuations 90 to 100s.. 27days off of escitalopram, 900mg omega 3. Bad withdrawls 
  • Reinstated 1mg escitalopram 27, 28 Feb 2021.. 0.4mg 7march to 2 April, 0.35mg 4 April to 10 April, 0.3mg 10 April to 19 April (heart palpitations, chest pain), reinstated 0.35mg 20 april continued.. 
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Dee12h

I take vit C & magnesium. I have fish oil but keep forgetting to take it! 

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Aleena

Your sleep will get better eventually. Most people here are suffering insomnia at lower dose. 

  • Escitalopram 5mg  13dec 2020 to 23 Jan  2020 for 5weeks each day. 
  • Replaced escitalopram with st. John's wort 500mg 2feb2021 to 13feb 2021 for 10 days. Then again suffered panic attacks, pounding heart and chest pain. Heart rate fluctuations 90 to 100s.. 27days off of escitalopram, 900mg omega 3. Bad withdrawls 
  • Reinstated 1mg escitalopram 27, 28 Feb 2021.. 0.4mg 7march to 2 April, 0.35mg 4 April to 10 April, 0.3mg 10 April to 19 April (heart palpitations, chest pain), reinstated 0.35mg 20 april continued.. 
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Camille

 

6 hours ago, Dee12h said:

I can’t believe .05mg of something can make that big of a difference.

Hi ! I'd like to report something that happened to me that might help you. I was taking my med at night and was completely unable to reduce even by the smallest reduction/percentage. Every time I reduced I would have insomnia and anxiety. A few days ago, I decided to take my med in the morning, immediately my sleep became normal again and I was able to reduce by 15% with (for now, fingers crossed) no WD effects. The only thing is that when I take my med in the morning, my mood is bad during the day, but I chose to do it because it allows me to reduce more. Anyways it might very possibly all be a coincidence but who knows, maybe you could try it ! I know you said that you felt worse when taking your med in the morning (just like me) but maybe, for some unknown reason, it could help you reduce faster.

  • October 2012 : Started antidepressants, almost without interruption until now. I tried many different sorts of meds (Effexor, Zoloft, Brintellix, Prozac, Abilify, Valium, Xanax, Atarax, sleeping pills...). Stopped multiple times with fast tapers but always ending up back on them again
  • Around July 2017 : tapered pretty quickly Effexor 75mg but had to reinstate around October 2017 because of insomnia and return of anxiety/depression (anxiety and depression were at the same level as before but never had insomnia like that before, maybe it was PW) + took sleeping pills that I stopped taking around December without any WD.
  • July 11 2019 : Was put on Brintellix 20mg and tapered at the same time (over the course of 2 weeks) my 75mg Effexor. Sexual side effects (absence of pleasure) + still depressed although it was a different kind of anxiety/depression than originally, with less acute phases but more constant and underlying, an inability to act+ anhedonia 
  • November 2019 Tapered pretty quickly Brintellix, no major WD symptoms but sexual side effects and anhedonia and underlying constant anxiety remains
  • February 2020: Started LEXAPRO 15mg, does not see any improvements 
  • April : lowered to 10mg Lexapro, no major WD
  • Mai : 7,5mg then 5mg Lexapro, no major WD
  • June 15 : lowered to 2,5mg --> major WD (was breathless just walking from my room to the bathroom, my tension was extremely low and my heart rate extremely high + horrible anxiety, can only describe it as a living hell)
  • June 19 : back on 5mg, does not help immediately 
  • June 23: back on 10mg, major WD gone after a few days 
  • End ofJuly 2020 : Started probiotics (they cured my cystic acne). I feel amazing, like I never did before but I cannot pinpoint exactly why. Are the meds suddenly working although they never did before ? Did the probiotics repaired my gut? Is it because of the 1-week fast I just did, the sun bathes I took ?
  • August : feeling amazing, happy and light, like I've never felt before
  • September 2020 : BIG MISTAKE of lowering to 7,5mg (so a 25% decrease which is way too much, especially after such a recent bad experience of WD, nervous system didn't have time to repair), anhedonia hits immediately (like right on the day of the decrease). I actually changed my mind and I don't think the anhedonia was a WD symptom but a symptom of the med itself. Like at 10mg, the med was "compensating its own side effects" but not at 7,5mg. I think that because during my 3 months at 7,5mg, I was extremely stable, did not experience any "windows and waves" pattern and did not have any other physical side effects.
  • (1 December 2020: Tried the liquid formulation --> doesn't work on me, it's like I didn't take my meds)
  • 5 December 2020 : Decides to up my dose because I really can't take the anhedonia anymore -->alternate between 8,75mg and 9,375mg 
  • 5 January 202010mg again--> Bad insomnia although good enough mood + vision disturbances and what I'll identify later as "overdosing symptoms". I never used to experience those + 1 day of what I think was akathesia. From that failed updose remains a feeling of inner tension (mild aka ?) that I will often feel later on although with less and less acuty, what I think is an intolerance to the med
  • 25 January : Back on 8,75mg, sleep back to normal
  • February :
  1. Started the process of converting my solid dose to a liquid "homemade" dose --> progressively figured out that for me the liquid was way more powerful than the solid and turns out that the equivalent liquid dose for 8,75mg solid was 3,5mg liquid. Of course it is very personal (might not be the same for everybody) and averaged
  2. Stopped my probiotics, they served their time, did an amazing job at curing my cystic acne and other medical stuff (including repetitive mycosis) + I quit sugar (even from fruits and I think that it's thanks to that decision that I no longer needed probiotics) + started OMAD again (One Meal A Day)
  • February 24th : 3,5mg<->140mL homemade liquide (by dissolving my med in 150mL water and then extracting wanted amount with a seringue). From now on, as I always use the same dilution factor between water and med, I'll refer to my dose in "mL".
  • March 4th : 120mL<-> 3mg) (--> small interdose withdrawal characterized by some dizziness and vision disturbances, that starts around 22h after taking my meds, thus lasting 2 hours, I'm gonna wait till I have no interdose withdrawal to reduce again)
  • May 26th : 108mL<-> 2,7mg --> symptoms : high heart rate (120 when just standing), dry mouth and eyes, difficulty sleeping, crying spells, anxiety (whereas anxiety and sadness are completely inexistent on 120mg, it's like there's some sort of passage where under 3mg, feelings come back full force with almost no "transition" from 0 to 100, it's like under 3mg, the zombie/suppression of feelings effect of the med is inefficient, like a threshold)
  • June 3rd : back on 125mL <-> 3,125mg, stable again a few days later. Should I wait for the anhedonia to lift before tapering again ?

 

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purple
On 5/27/2021 at 6:27 PM, Dee12h said:

I take vit C & magnesium. I have fish oil but keep forgetting to take it! 

I was thinking about buying those daily pill boxes to place the supplements in so I don't forget since I take quite a few supplements in the morning. Perhaps this could work for you? I think they only cost a dollar and some cents (esp from dollar tree).

Oct 2017 sertraline

Nov 2017 switched to escitalopram 10mg

Apr 2018 escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 

Nov 2018 restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg

Jan 2020 escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off

27 Aug 2020 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, found SA

27 Feb 2021 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg

7 Mar decreased to 9.5mg | 14 Mar decreased to 9.3mg | 21 Mar decreased to 9.0mg | 11 Apr decreased to 8.8mg | 18 Apr decreased to 8.6mg | 9 May decreased to 8.3mg | 16 May decreased to 8.1mg

6 Jun increased to 9.0mg

18 July decreased to 8.6mg

 

EPA+DHA 1000mg, vitamin E 400IU, magnesium citrate 250mg

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Well, today is day 5 on .7. I felt better at first, lots more energy. Yesterday I was pretty irritable. Today I feel crazy- irritable, touchy, dizzy when I turn my head, spaced out (is that DR?), this weird stress feeling in my chest like I can’t get a deep breath. It’s not exactly anxiety, just feel super weird. I can’t figure what I’m supposed to be doing or what I want to do. I’ve been sleeping ok with melatonin.

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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On 5/31/2021 at 12:53 PM, purple said:

I was thinking about buying those daily pill boxes to place the supplements in so I don't forget since I take quite a few supplements in the morning. Perhaps this could work for you? I think they only cost a dollar and some cents (esp from dollar tree).

The fish oil is a liquid. That’s why I keep forgetting! Plus I have to keep it in the fridge away from my others bottles. 😆

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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On 6/10/2021 at 8:11 PM, Dee12h said:

The fish oil is a liquid. That’s why I keep forgetting! Plus I have to keep it in the fridge away from my others bottles. 😆

Ohhhh, that makes sense!

Hmm, what you described sounds like the effects of decreasing the dose/withdrawal. At least, those were some of what I experienced when I went off and then several months later, when a delayed withdrawal appeared to hit for me.

Oct 2017 sertraline

Nov 2017 switched to escitalopram 10mg

Apr 2018 escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 

Nov 2018 restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg

Jan 2020 escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off

27 Aug 2020 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, found SA

27 Feb 2021 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg

7 Mar decreased to 9.5mg | 14 Mar decreased to 9.3mg | 21 Mar decreased to 9.0mg | 11 Apr decreased to 8.8mg | 18 Apr decreased to 8.6mg | 9 May decreased to 8.3mg | 16 May decreased to 8.1mg

6 Jun increased to 9.0mg

18 July decreased to 8.6mg

 

EPA+DHA 1000mg, vitamin E 400IU, magnesium citrate 250mg

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AndyPants
On 6/10/2021 at 12:01 PM, Dee12h said:

this weird stress feeling in my chest like I can’t get a deep breath. It’s not exactly anxiety, just feel super weird. I can’t figure what I’m supposed to be doing or what I want to do

This is what I've been feeling a lot, it's hard to describe but that constant tenseness in my chest and just feeling like I don't know what I want or need to do with life. Like something isn't right but I just don't know what to do about it. 

Lexapro/Escitalopram history:

-Spring 2012: 10 mg for maybe a couple months then up to 20mg 

-Stayed at 20 mg from 2012 to 2020

-July 2020: 10 mg

-November 2020: 5 mg

-February 15 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-February 25 2021: 3/4 a 5mg pill ~3.75 mg 

-March 25 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-April 17 2021, started experiencing insomnia

-April 20 2021, started liquid Lexapro 2.8, over the course of week and a half taken that up to 3.5

-May 14 2021 up to 3.8

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I need help. @brassmonkey

 

I’m scheduled to drop again today to .6, but not sure now. I’ve been feeling great for the most part, sleeping great, more energy whenever I drop. My last post about symptoms only lasted 1 day.

 

For the past 3 days I’ve had weakness, dizziness, shakiness, been more tired, low heart rate, weird feeling in my chest. I was exercising 3 days ago & had what felt like heart palpitations which turned into chest pains. It went away with rest, but DH was even concerned, & he’s usually like, “you’re fine”. (He is a family med M.D.) I know ADs can cause heart symptoms but not for the 1st time while tapering so low, right? Is this WD? I’ve been feeling great, going slowly. I did start a lower calorie & exercise plan about 10 days ago. 🤔
 

I can get DH to do a simple heart work up for me if needed. Should I hold longer or reduce & see how I feel? Usually fatigue is a side effect from the drug for me, but not with these other scary symptoms. I’ve also never previously been in WD w/o insomnia, and I’m more sleepy, if anything, lately.

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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brassmonkey

Those are pretty common WD symptoms. Palpitations and increased heart rate are very common. I got them all the time. If DH wants to do a heart check, then go for it, if only to rule out any problems.

 

Looking at your signature it seems like you are going a bit too fast. I would hole for a few weeks and see if things calm down a bit. For the Endgame Taper you need to go quite slowly and wait for any symptoms to fully resolve before reducing each time.

 

Be really careful with the exercise.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Thanks. But my heart rate is lower, not higher. Does calorie restriction make things worse during WD? 
 

I’m now convinced I double dosed without realizing it. This afternoon I have ALL the drug side effects I’ve always had when I’m on too much- extreme fatigue, brain fog, hunger, low motivation, some type of euphoria but irritable when disturbed bc I’m so tired, just very drugged feeling. I had this thought that I may have forgotten & taken 2 doses a couple days ago, but the next day I felt ok. Could it take a couple days to show up? @brassmonkey

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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Dee12h

Well I’m glad I’ve been tracking my symptoms & supplements. I’ve realized I’m having a bad reaction to fish oil- anxiety, depression, irritability, nausea, gas. It’s a really good brand too. My nutritionist is so pro-fish oil. I’m stumped as to what this could mean. 🤔 But glad I figured it out!

May 2019 started lexapro 2.5 mg

2020 went to every other day

2021 beginning of Mar, tried to stop but had insomnia

Mar 30, 2021 reinstated 1.25 ev other day, WD symptoms, not enough

April 19, 2021 started liquid, .85 mg/day

May 1, 2021 .8 mg/day

May 6, 2021 .75 mg/day

June 6, 2021 .7 mg/day

June 20, 2021 .65mg/day

June 30, 2021 .6mg/day 

 

Magnesium, Vit C, EPO, melatonin as needed

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AndyPants

So did you stop taking fish oil for a few days and things got better?

Lexapro/Escitalopram history:

-Spring 2012: 10 mg for maybe a couple months then up to 20mg 

-Stayed at 20 mg from 2012 to 2020

-July 2020: 10 mg

-November 2020: 5 mg

-February 15 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-February 25 2021: 3/4 a 5mg pill ~3.75 mg 

-March 25 2021: 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

-April 17 2021, started experiencing insomnia

-April 20 2021, started liquid Lexapro 2.8, over the course of week and a half taken that up to 3.5

-May 14 2021 up to 3.8

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Crochet

@Dee12hThat's interesting about the fish oil.   Listening to your body is the best thing right now.

2012-2017- Lexapro 10mg
2017-2020 - Lexapro 5mg
11/1/20 - Stopped Lexapro 5mg abruptly

1/13/21 - present - Reinstated Lexapro 7.5mg (from 2.5, to 5, to 10, to 7.5)

2/7/21 - present - Hydroxyzine 5mg (from 50mg, to 25mg, to 10mg to 5mg)

No longer take:

2011 - Zoloft (several months)

2011 - Wellbutrin (one week)

1/16/21 - 2/4/21 - Ativan .5:  Took 13.5 pills over the course of 22 days and stopped

2/5/21 - Mirtazipine 7.5 (only took once)

2/24/21 - 3/8/31 - Propranolol 5mg

Supplements:  L-theanine 200mg three times per day, 1mg melatonin, magnesium glycinate 400mg, 3000mg fish oil

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