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@Altostrata I am on PPI omeprazole (for a year) and weaning off, weaned by 25 percent of 40 mg on September 1 and have been holding since. I have been in a slight wave since July and got freaked out by reading the damaging impacts of PPI with my digestion and absorption of nutrients and decided to try weaning anyways. I'm not sure if weaning has impacted my WD at all bc Ive been in chronic stress the past 3 months. the rebound acid reflux has subsided and only occurred for 2-3 weeks sometimes. I am low in iron and b12 according to blood tests but still have a hypersensitive nervous system due to stress and from trying too many new things. I'm functional and it isnt severe but I get light and sound sensitivity at my worst when I overwork myself for about a day then recover by the next and my main constant symptoms is blurry unfocused vision on objects outside in the light for the last three months after too much stress, stimulation by resuming normal life actvities once I felt better, and trying supplements multivitamins. If the tapering of omeprazole impacts my reflux and hopefully not my nervous system, can I continue to taper? Also I read "vitamin B12 deficiency can weaken the nervous system and greatly exacerbated antidepressant withdrawal syndrome and cause more damage" If I get off my PPI, will it help my WD symptoms? what damage does the depletion of b12 cause with CNS and ADWD? Ive been on it for a year. I do not need to be on it I changed my diet to prevent acid reflux from occuring and it only occurred right at the beginning of my lexapro taper when I didnt know that was the cause of it. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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@btdtI am on PPI omeprazole (for a year) and weaning off, weaned by 25 percent of 40 mg on September 1 and have been holding since. the rebound acid reflux has subsided and only occurred for 2-3 weeks sometimes. I am low in iron and b12 according to blood tests but still have a hypersensitive nervous system due to stress and from trying too many new things. I'm functional and it isnt severe but I get light and sound sensitivity at my worst when I overwork myself for about a day then recover by the next and my main constant symptoms is blurry unfocused vision on objects outside in the light for the last three months after too much stress, stimulation by resuming normal life activities once I felt better, and trying supplements multivitamins. If the tapering of omeprazole impacts my reflux and hopefully not my nervous system, can I continue to taper? Also I read "vitamin B12 deficiency can weaken the nervous system and greatly exacerbated antidepressant withdrawal syndrome and cause more damage" If I get off my PPI, will it help my WD symptoms? what damage does the depletion of b12 cause with CNS and ADWD? Ive been on it for a year. I do not need to be on it I changed my diet to prevent acid reflux from occuring and it only occurred right at the beginning of my lexapro taper when I didnt know that was the cause of it. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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What exactly are you taking now, at what times o'clock and dosages? Did you ever get a second opinion for your gut problems?

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@Mia1 'm feeling really down today due to comparing myself to other people and the opinions of my family. I havent worked in a year due to trying to figure out my illness and also suffering from it not allowing me to work due to physical and mental health reasons. I try and push myself to apply for jobs and create my portfolio but it's so difficult with the limitations my health puts on me making me not capable of it. I just feel so worthless as a human and so broken. I know what I want to do in life and I'm disabled because of this drug. I can hardly do the bare minimum each day of basic tasks without getting exhausted. I'm so sick of not being able to live my life and being so hypersensitive to everything such as light and sound. Simple conversations make my brain buzz. I want to travel and go to concerts and be around people and I cant do any of that bc of covid and my immune system being so compromised from the illness and the stress of it all. I hope once I start taking better care of myself with self-care it will allow me to have more physical capabilities. I'm really angry at myself for ignoring self care and trying to push through it but thats what my mom always tells me to do and I just want to get back to life and not have to take the time to do so much tedious self care activities. I'm angry it took me this long, almost a year, to realize the mind body connection with healing as I'd only focused on finding the correct diet thinking that would cure me. I try to remind myself it took this long bc I had to learn it all on my own but it just feels like such a waste of a year. my birthday is in 2 months and its depressing me because I feel like i have no accomplishments to celebrate even though I've came far in my spiritual journey. I also feel like theres nothing i can do to celerbrate because of covid, not being able to eat literally anything, I'm broke, vacatins would be too stimulating, and probably too hypersensitive to get my annual present to myself, a tattoo. I'm trying to practice stress relief more often with EFT and finding a balance of activities each day and to adjust it to a slower pace. I'm so embarrassed of my life I try to disappear from everyone as much as possible. Not being able to work for a year and it being out of my control completely destroyed my self love and self confidence and I just feel so broken. I know others opinion of me is just a reflection of themselves so its irrelevant but its impacting my own feelings about myself since I can't work. I'm trying to remember how hard I work doesnt equal my value as a human but thats what society tells you so its hard to get out of that mindset. I can't even be a good person whose excited or in a good mood bc I just don't feel good a lot of the time. I go between pushing myself to hard for a full day and being completely out with no energy ina wave the next. I'm trying to make changes so this isnt a habit but I have no support on how to navigate this situation. My mom who i live with is always out with her friends or on vacation and completely ignores my situation and I know she thinks I'm just lazy and I hate that it bothers me. I need to start making money to get out of her house that would do wonders for my mental health but I'm so scared about how inconsistent money will be once I start working due to health issues.

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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20 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What exactly are you taking now, at what times o'clock and dosages? Did you ever get a second opinion for your gut problems?

I'm taking 25% less of my 40 mg of omeprazole, (9 less beads) since sept 1, 1280 mg omega 3, zyrtec, and singular at 130 pm and my 2.5 mg of lexapro at 130 am bc I messed up the times and am trying to move it back. My nervous system is hypersensitive right now but I know i need to get off omeprazole. I went to traditional and functional drs but the functional dr just wanted to give me supplements that I cannot tolerate right now so I'm on my own at the moment. I went to my PCP to get bloodwork done and learned I have high cholesterol despite eating clean, low iron, low b12 probs from the omeprazole.I also smoke weed and did so frequently before tapering. If it was part of my routine before fast tapering and I feel okay when I smoke, is it okay to do so or will it cause me to not heal as quickly? Would stopping smoking weed CT cause issues since its part of my biology?

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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My 24th birthday is December 5 and I'm sad about it and dont want to celebrate it and pretend its just another day. I cant do anything fun for it and I'm so depressed about the year I've had due to withdrawals since I started at late 22. Anyone have any withdrawal friendly reccomendations on how to celebrate it calmly and to not feel depressed on their birthdays?

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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13 minutes ago, Sicksagittarius said:

Would stopping smoking weed CT cause issues since its part of my biology?

 

Why stop cold turkey?

 

Do you have other psychiatric drug withdrawal-related questions?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

 

Why stop cold turkey?

 

Do you have other psychiatric drug withdrawal-related questions?

@AltostrataI just don't want to do anything to regress healing as I've been in a deep wave due to stress and doing too much work. I didnt know if weed would make it worse even though I feel fine when I smoke. I was mainly wondering if I should hold the taper of omeprazole due to being hypersensitive with my nervous system or if tapering this PPI won't impact my nervous system? Also wondering if the side effects of cold turkeying my birth control last February impacts my AD WD? if it impacts the serotonin levels. I have post pill PCOS from it and havent had a normal cycle in months. Also trying to learn if I should avoid oxalates as lexapro had that in it and could be another reasoning for all of my symptoms. & salicylates.

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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Has anyone experienced EDMR or doing EFT tapping when they are hypersensitive? EFT makes me feel so calm when I'm feeling good but I don't know if I can try it when I'm in a wave

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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As I noted before, you have many health issues about which I do not know enough to comment.

 

7 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

Also wondering if the side effects of cold turkeying my birth control last February impacts my AD WD? if it impacts the serotonin levels. I have post pill PCOS from it and havent had a normal cycle in months.

 

Apparently you did have fallout from quitting your birth control. It has nothing to do with serotonin. I hope you've talked to an endocrinologist about this.

 

7 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

Also trying to learn if I should avoid oxalates as lexapro had that in it and could be another reasoning for all of my symptoms. & salicylates.

 

I haven't the faintest idea if you should avoid oxalates and salicylates. They are related to food intolerances, not the ingredients in Lexapro. I've never heard that one before.

 

I don't understand why you would want to quit smoking marijuana if it makes you feel better, especially quitting cold turkey. Smoking anything can aggravate your lungs. We're about common sense here.

 

Do you have any psychiatric drug withdrawal-related questions?

 

 

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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18 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

I just feel so worthless as a human and so broken.

 

18 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

it just feels like such a waste of a year.

 

18 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

. I'm so embarrassed of my life

@Sicksagittariusthis just breaks my heart. You are a worthy and valuable person exactly as you are in this very moment. You are doing the most important thing you will ever do in your life right now, you are discovering who you really are. I believe this is the reason we come here, not to get a job and make money and take vacations.

 

Please be kind to yourself on this journey, what you tell yourself about yourself and your situation matters more than you can possibly know. Learn how best you can love yourself, support yourself and from what I’m reading forgive yourself. It’s okay to make mistakes, in fact welcome them, it’s how we learn and grow. 

18 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

I want to do in life and I'm disabled because of this drug. I can hardly do the bare minimum each day of basic tasks without getting exhausted. I'm so sick of not being able to live my life and being so hypersensitive to everything such as light and sound.

Again, be mindful what you are telling yourself and start detaching from the story. Yes, w/d brings limitations but if you can accept yourself for how you are right now without wanting to force change or compare yourself to how you used to be you will be able to find moments of joy and accomplishment in what you are capable of doing. It’s never what’s happening that causes suffering, it’s what we are telling ourselves about what’s happening that causes the suffering. The resistance to what is.

 

This is a unique opportunity you have to really find out who you are and love yourself unconditionally. We must accept ourselves before we can change. So today accept yourself, give yourself permission to feel however you feel and take whatever steps you can towards positive change. You are completely in control of this. The one thing we are always in control of in life no matter what happens is how we respond. Will you choose love? It’s really up to you. 

18 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

my birthday is in 2 months and its depressing me because I feel like i have no accomplishments to celebrate

My birthday is in December too!! You are so young and you have your whole life ahead of you. Celebrate who you are today, what you have learned so far, how strong you are, how amazing you are. Celebrate the light that shines so brightly inside you. Get a helium balloon and write on it what you want to release this year, then go on a nature walk and release it into the air. If you don’t have money to go to a spa then give yourself a facial or paint your nails. Take a really relaxing bath with a scented candle. The most valuable gifts never cost money so anything that is centered on love and will make you feel good will be the perfect way to celebrate. I hope you make this the best birthday, you deserve it!!🎁🎂🎉🎊❤️

18 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

I have no support on how to navigate this situation.

I’m always here for you and remember we are never truly alone, we are always being guided and loved unconditionally. Just keep meditating and work on self love, everything else will fall into place 💗🙏

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17 hours ago, Altostrata said:

As I noted before, you have many health issues about which I do not know enough to comment.

 

 

Apparently you did have fallout from quitting your birth control. It has nothing to do with serotonin. I hope you've talked to an endocrinologist about this.

 

 

I haven't the faintest idea if you should avoid oxalates and salicylates. They are related to food intolerances, not the ingredients in Lexapro. I've never heard that one before.

 

I don't understand why you would want to quit smoking marijuana if it makes you feel better, especially quitting cold turkey. Smoking anything can aggravate your lungs. We're about common sense here.

 

Do you have any psychiatric drug withdrawal-related questions?

 

 

@AltostrataI just was wondering if coming off of any pills, not psych meds, will impact the nervous system and if its something I should wait to continue to taper until I'm less sensitive. I do not need the omeprazole whatsoever just stayed on bc scared of how it will impact WD/ Also, do I have to try new foods more cautiously in WD/ can food I havent had in awhile impact the nervous system/ shock it? I have a rotation of a handful of foods and want to try to eat small amts of a new variety of vegetables to increase nutrients. Also I havent gone to an endocrinologist yet bc if they prescribe me pills for my PCOS I most likely cant tolerate them and its so triggering to go to drs bc I cant handle their treatment. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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If you don't need omeprazole, I would gradually go off it, at the rate that's comfortable for you.

 

I cannot comment on your other health problems, which are complex, and I would not be able to distinguish effects of other drugs from your ongoing symptoms from your other health problems. 

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51 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

If you don't need omeprazole, I would gradually go off it, at the rate that's comfortable for you.

 

I cannot comment on your other health problems, which are complex, and I would not be able to distinguish effects of other drugs from your ongoing symptoms from your other health problems. 

@AltostrataSounds good! I've been eating 4 oz portions of fish (cod) which has omega 3 but a lower amt than salmon twice a day. I went from no fish to twice a day starting in July as its one of the few proteins I can tolerate.I wonder if that increase in omega 3 on top of the 1280 mg of fish pills I take could have impacted my sensitive nervous system potentially. I know I was waiting to increase omega 3 pills bc I was told not to add more until my system settled so now wondering if this could have caused a wave. I wanted to try salmon but nervous bc that has a way higher omega 3 content than cod. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

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Does anyone know what shampoo/conditioner to use thats not activating? I use an organic 100 percent pure one but it lists so many ingredients, including various herbs that may be activating so I'm scared to use it. I cannot use apple cider vinegar due to histamine intolerance. Has anyone tried oils to wash hair? I was thinking jojoba I wonder if that could be stimulating or activating? I have super oily hair from hormone imbalances from my histamine intolerance and getting off of my birth control. Is salt activating to the scalp as it stimulates hair growth? Would rosemary oil be activating since its stimulating to hair growth as well? 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

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On 10/18/2021 at 7:34 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

@AltostrataI just was wondering if coming off of any pills, not psych meds, will impact the nervous system and if its something I should wait to continue to taper until I'm less sensitive. I do not need the omeprazole whatsoever just stayed on bc scared of how it will impact WD/ Also, do I have to try new foods more cautiously in WD/ can food I havent had in awhile impact the nervous system/ shock it? I have a rotation of a handful of foods and want to try to eat small amts of a new variety of vegetables to increase nutrients. Also I havent gone to an endocrinologist yet bc if they prescribe me pills for my PCOS I most likely cant tolerate them and its so triggering to go to drs bc I cant handle their treatment. 

I just got omeprazole for my daughter, she said she has acid reflex, I did some research, I found that iron pills cause acid reflex because she had iron pills on the list of things she wanted, I told her about the iron pills I'm glad I researched

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I just got omeprazole for my daughter, she said she has acid reflex, I did some research, I found that iron pills cause acid reflex because she had iron pills on the list of things she wanted, I told her about the iron pills I'm glad I researched

@street129That's so interesting! Not sure, but does omeprazole have risks of iron and b12 deficiency Since the acid plays important role in absorption of iron, reducing it may lead to deficiency. Not sure if it would be counterproductive to take the omeprazole for acid reflux from iron pills, it may reduce the iron being absorbed! I'm not a medical professional whatsoever just a guess. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

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does the light and sound sensitivity get better when not in waves but in windows? If I'm in a window, can music playing at normal volume be the trigger for a wave? I have a wedding I'm supposed to be a bridesmaid in about a year. I'm trying to see if I need to tell my friend that I can't be in it so I don't back out last minute due to too much stimuli of the wedding, loud music, social interaction for multiple hours. 

 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

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On 10/18/2021 at 12:36 PM, Mia1 said:

 

 

@Sicksagittariusthis just breaks my heart. You are a worthy and valuable person exactly as you are in this very moment. You are doing the most important thing you will ever do in your life right now, you are discovering who you really are. I believe this is the reason we come here, not to get a job and make money and take vacations.

 

Please be kind to yourself on this journey, what you tell yourself about yourself and your situation matters more than you can possibly know. Learn how best you can love yourself, support yourself and from what I’m reading forgive yourself. It’s okay to make mistakes, in fact welcome them, it’s how we learn and grow. 

Again, be mindful what you are telling yourself and start detaching from the story. Yes, w/d brings limitations but if you can accept yourself for how you are right now without wanting to force change or compare yourself to how you used to be you will be able to find moments of joy and accomplishment in what you are capable of doing. It’s never what’s happening that causes suffering, it’s what we are telling ourselves about what’s happening that causes the suffering. The resistance to what is.

 

This is a unique opportunity you have to really find out who you are and love yourself unconditionally. We must accept ourselves before we can change. So today accept yourself, give yourself permission to feel however you feel and take whatever steps you can towards positive change. You are completely in control of this. The one thing we are always in control of in life no matter what happens is how we respond. Will you choose love? It’s really up to you. 

My birthday is in December too!! You are so young and you have your whole life ahead of you. Celebrate who you are today, what you have learned so far, how strong you are, how amazing you are. Celebrate the light that shines so brightly inside you. Get a helium balloon and write on it what you want to release this year, then go on a nature walk and release it into the air. If you don’t have money to go to a spa then give yourself a facial or paint your nails. Take a really relaxing bath with a scented candle. The most valuable gifts never cost money so anything that is centered on love and will make you feel good will be the perfect way to celebrate. I hope you make this the best birthday, you deserve it!!🎁🎂🎉🎊❤️

I’m always here for you and remember we are never truly alone, we are always being guided and loved unconditionally. Just keep meditating and work on self love, everything else will fall into place 💗🙏

@Mia1This made me feel so much better thank you so so much for your lovely advice. This made me self reflect and flip my mindset and wow it really changed how I feel about everything. Self love and acceptance are my top two priorities right now. I aspire to have your positive attitude more often. 

 

I absolutely love the idea of releasing the balloon and the most important thing I'm doing in life is discovering who I am. How powerful. It makes me not even jealous of everyone with non injured brains (okay maybe a little lol) bc I feel like I gained a secret key to spirituality which i will use for the rest of my life. If this didnt happen to me I would have never slowed down and started to heal. I've been pushing it away for months and trying to pretend I wasnt having symptoms nearly as bad as everyone on this site & I was humbled that I am indeed apart of this community. I also need to remember I'm never alone the universe is supporting me and I really believe those who are going through this suffering can handle it and its preparing us to handle ANYTHING in life and be successful from here on out in every aspect. I'm starting to recognize the things I can accomplish in a day now instead of condemning for what I didnt do, even if it was finally just getting into a solid routine. I'm starting now to put in the work and reminding myself the past no longer exists so I can't ruminate about my mistakes but let them be my teacher.

 

You mentioned this before, but I couldnt find it in the thread, who were your favorite people you listen to for spiritual advice again? I believe you said a few names and you studied them like a full time job during your early WD days. 

 

How is your taper going today, how are you feeling? You're so brave for continuing the drop, I'm hoping to try in about 6 months but listening to my body. What day in december is your birthday?! are you a fellow sagittarius? I'm on the 5th. No wonder you're so cool :)

 

I want to try EDMR but nervous it will be too stimulating for me. I also am wondering if the light and sound sensitivity get better when not in waves but in windows? I have a wedding and I'm supposed to be a bridesmaid in about a year for one of my best friends. I'm trying to see if I need to tell my friend that I can't be in it so I don't back out last minute due to too much stimuli of the wedding, loud music, social interaction for multiple hours. You just never know how you'll feel. But I am really readjusting my actions to take care of myself bc I didnt realize how important it was and how fragile my nervous system is even when I'm feeling a little better. Ive been in this intense wave for three months for doing the absolute most every single day with not resting so I'm hoping if I'm more mindful of my body that I'll be rested enough to handle that day. I felt good from May-June after the too fast of taper crash in April but then July I started overdoing it until this past week I'm trying to slow down and stop listening to the expectations of my mom telling me to push through. 

 

Happy Aries full moon!! Sending you all the healing vibes. 

 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

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On 10/20/2021 at 7:41 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

I feel like I gained a secret key to spirituality which i will use for the rest of my life.

I completely agree, when we can take any experience we have and use it as a vehicle for growth we become free from suffering. Things start to happen for us and not to us and we cease to be victims of life. It’s absolute freedom.

On 10/20/2021 at 7:41 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

You mentioned this before, but I couldnt find it in the thread, who were your favorite people you listen to for spiritual advice again? I believe you said a few names and you studied them like a full time job during your early WD days.

So what I did was made the spiritual work my full time job, meditating, practicing acceptance and letting go, learning self love and acceptance, basically learning how to step back and become the observer of what is happening as opposed to what is happening. A big part of that in the beginning was listening to spiritual teachers such as Allan Watts, Mooji, Thich Nhat Hanh, Eckart Tolle and anyone else who would pop up on my thread.

 

All of this brought me to my own inner wisdom, which we all have. It’s the only thing I listen to now. So all of the work really helped to bring me back to myself.

On 10/20/2021 at 7:41 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

ow is your taper going today, how are you feeling? You're so brave for continuing the drop, I'm hoping to try in about 6 months but listening to my body. What day in december is your birthday?! are you a fellow sagittarius? I'm on the 5th. No wonder you're so cool :)

Klonopin is my last drug to taper and I’ve been on it for 22 years so it’s about as intense as I thought it would be but at the same time completely manageable. I credit this to my daily meditation practice, mindfulness and all the other work I have done and continue to do. I have really learned how not to react on this journey and it is an amazing skill to have. Practice, practice, practice!! Thanks for asking.

 

My birthday is 12/31 so I’m a Capricorn, still have that December connection though!!

On 10/20/2021 at 7:41 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

am wondering if the light and sound sensitivity get better when not in waves but in windows?

It all gets better in time. Just remember to practice good self care and listen to what your body is telling you, it really does make such a difference.

 

Since the wedding isn’t for another year why don’t you commit to going with a backup plan such as leaving a little early if it gets too stimulating? If you continue to taper slowly and take care of yourself you should see big improvements in a year. 
 

For me I always have to suss out what is physical w/d and what is emotional. If it’s truly physical I will just rest and take care of myself but if I’m hesitant to do something because I’m feeling anxiety or emotional discomfort I will push myself to do it because the one way to change fear is to face it. And when you do this enough you see that fear is an illusion of the mind. You become fearless.
 

On 10/20/2021 at 7:41 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

Sending you all the healing vibes. 

Thank you, receiving them and sending them back with love ❤️ 

Completely drug free 11/26/22 🎉

 

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@brassmonkeySo I'm realizing that with a histamine intolerance, I may have been overdoing oxalates which cause the same reaction as histamine. There's something called oxalate dumping when you lower them too quickly and its your body detoxing them. It can cause bad side effects like fatigue, extreme depression, skin issues, messing with hormones etc. I need to get off eating tumeric, peanut butter, almond butter bc I was eating a ton and it made me sicker. Can detoxing this natural toxin too quickly causing dumping cause stress on the nervous system with withdrawal? I'm trying to do it slower now that I'm aware of what oxalate dumping is. Tumeric the spice may have been causing my blurry vision as its stimulating, or the pb due to high histamines, or the overall oxalate toxicity from eating too much of it each day. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

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Can detoxing this natural toxin too quickly causing dumping cause stress on the nervous system with withdrawal?

 

There is an SA discussion topic about detoxing here.  Please read the posts there about the experience of other members.  I suggest that you post your question/s there.  Please remember that the focus of the small SA staff is on tapering psychiatric drugs so SA staff are unlikely to respond to questions like the above.

 

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Please be sure to read Altostrata's posts in the above topic.

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@Sicksagittarius, I urge you to join one of the many Facebook peer support groups for food intolerances. They would be able to help you more than this community, where only a minority of people are managing food intolerances.

 

Here's a Web community you might like https://www.celiac.com/forums/forum/51-food-intolerance-leaky-gut/

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I'm really trying to stay on topic, I apologize if asked about topics that weren't appropriate for this forum. I do not want to waste your time at all! I truly believe this question is relevant to AD WD. I made way too many changes at once 3 months ago, causing WD symptoms to be worse, including blurry vision o, especially when looking outside in the light, anxiety, depersonalization.  One of them was switching to alkaline water with magnesium chloride, calcium chloride, and potassium bicarbonate. Could these ingredients be something that has been impacting my nervous system by starting it all at once and not weaning onto it? I'd only taken omega 3 and havent started magnesium supplements. If thats a possibility, would I have to slowly wean off of this water? Whats the best kind to drink, spring water? Or could I just make the switch to see if the vision clears up? I saw someone ask this question in their thread but didnt see an answer. If this isnt the appropriate to ask here please let me know if theres another thread which answers it. Thanks so much!

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

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@Shep Hi there! I noticed your thread with another member discussing supplements, including b12 and iron and how they can be stimulating, especially if your nervous system is destabilized. I'm b12 deficient due to a year long use of omeprazole but I'm weaning off. If I'm too sensitive to take b12 supplements, would b12 in food, such as fish, eggs, be too stimulating as well or would that be okay since its not synthetic, unless I used a methylcobalamin supplement thats natural?

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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12 hours ago, Sicksagittarius said:

has anyone had experience tapering off of specifically the PPI omeprazole while on the SSRI lexapro? I'm on 2.5 mg. I read lexapro can double in your system according to this journal article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4297217/

 

According to the following the omeprazole DOES increase the level or effect of escitalopram.  However it is impossible to know by how much it does this.  And it is probably different for different people.

 

The 10% reduction about every 4 weeks is a GUIDELINE, not a rule and as such anyone who is tapering needs to listen to their body/symptoms and taper according to that.  If you get withdrawal symptoms after a reduction and they do not reduce markedly within the 4 week period, or are unbearable, then you are tapering too fast and you need to adjust your taper accordingly.

 

From https://reference.medscape.com/drug-interactionchecker

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  • omeprazole + escitalopram

    omeprazole will increase the level or effect of escitalopram by affecting hepatic enzyme CYP2C19 metabolism. Use Caution/Monitor.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

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According to the following the omeprazole DOES increase the level or effect of escitalopram.  However it is impossible to know by how much it does this.  And it is probably different for different people.

 

The 10% reduction about every 4 weeks is a GUIDELINE, not a rule and as such anyone who is tapering needs to listen to their body/symptoms and taper according to that.  If you get withdrawal symptoms after a reduction and they do not reduce markedly within the 4 week period, or are unbearable, then you are tapering too fast and you need to adjust your taper accordingly.

 

From https://reference.medscape.com/drug-interactionchecker

Monitor Closely

  • omeprazole + escitalopram

    omeprazole will increase the level or effect of escitalopram by affecting hepatic enzyme CYP2C19 metabolism. Use Caution/Monitor.

@ChessieCatThank you so much for the helpful advice! Just to clarify, when you're referring to the 10% reduction every 4 weeks, thats even for non psych drugs like omeprazole? Is it possible to have delayed increased WD symptoms past the 4 week mark or is that usually when wd symptoms increase if impacted by the reduction?

 

It's hard to tell if its impacting me I'm trying to figure out if it is prolonging the unfocused vision. I was activated in july by a multivitamin, been overworking myself and very stressed so I thought it was due to that.

 

The timeline is:

April: too fast of taper and reinstated at 2.5 mg lexapro

July 16-Aug 1: tried a new multivitamin with vitamin b's that activated me, caused unfocused vision

Sept 1: (held for 1 month and 3 weeks) reduced 40 mg omeprazole by 25 percent, unfocused vision still present (25% from alto's suggestion of 25% per week for PPI's)

Oct 20: (held for 3 weeks) reduced omeprazole another 25 percent, unfocused vision still present

Nov 11: reduced omeprazole another 25% (last cut until off completely), unfocused vision still present

 

In accordance to slow, steady, stable, should I hold off on this reduction of omeprazole until I can lower stress and improve poor sleep since those dysregulate the nervous system, maybe making the reduction cause WD symptoms? Not sure if I should go back up to the 25% or higher that I just cut due to this.

 

Trying to weight the pros and cons bc I have digestive issues, food intolerances, and low b12/iron caused by omeprazole, greatly impacting my health and I read healing the gut helps heal the dysregulated nervous system.

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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53 minutes ago, Sicksagittarius said:

Thank you so much for the helpful advice! Just to clarify, when you're referring to the 10% reduction every 4 weeks, thats even for non psych drugs like omeprazole?

 

I was referring to SA's psychiatric drug tapering protocol - 10% / 4 weekly.  I have no knowledge about how to taper the omeprazole.  But when tapering the omeprazole the advice of listening to your body/symptoms DOES apply and it is even more important to do this because it increases the escitalopram.  If you get bad symptoms and/or they do not ease quickly then you are tapering the omeprazole too quickly.  Please see Post #1 of this topic:

 

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3 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

According to the following the omeprazole DOES increase the level or effect of escitalopram.  However it is impossible to know by how much it does this.  And it is probably different for different people.

 

What I think can be ascertained from the above is that whenever you make a reduction of the omeprazole you will also be reducing your escitalopram.  But there is no way of knowing by how much the escitapram reduction is.  That is why you will need to listen to your body/symptoms.

 

BTW Please do NOT tag me for any reason.  I check on members when I am able to.  Thank you. 

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

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Thank you for this helpful info. I wasnt sure if omeprazole taper could be causing the unfocused vision for the past 4 months or if its due to high stress, overstimulation, too many changes at once. Could stress be a big enough trigger to cause this extreme side effect 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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Additional stress, both good and bad, can cause symptoms to worsen.  Please note that I am NOT able to say if your worsening symptoms were caused by this.

 

Examples of things that can add stress:  Covid vaccination, isolation (Covid lockdowns), sickness, poor sleep over a long period of time, job loss or change, financial stress, relationship issues, death of a relative, close friend or pet, travelling/holidays.

 

And it doesn't have to be a major stress, if you had lots of lesser stressors happen over a period of time the stress can build up very gradually and you do not realise that it is affecting you.  A good example of this would be the Covid situation which started early 2020, has been going on for a long time and we are going back out into a world which is not the same as it was before.

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:  (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq  on 13th November 2021

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

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That’s a great insight about the little stressors building over time bc I havent been listening to my body when I need a break and sleep is broken. Wondering if I should hold on the omeprazole taper until I feel more stable in my CNS. I’m assuming with being overstimulated it will make it hard to essentially reduce some of the lexapro in my system via omeprazole reduction. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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If I want to get more b12 since im deficient, would getting it through food, such as fish or eggs, not be activating to AD withdrawal symptoms like synthetic b12 supplements would?

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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As I think we have stated before SA staff do not handle general medical issues.

 

Has Alto posted before to try tiny amounts of B12 tablets and build up?  I cannot remember what she has suggested to you (and I do not have the time to look) but I know that she has posted this to other members.

 

If you have tried this and it made things worse then if you really do need B12 (that is, you have had a blood test indicating this), you need to investigate ways to get this vitamin.

 

As for what might happen with your withdrawal symptoms if you try to increase foods containing B12 the only way to find out is to try it.  Nobody here can see into the future and predict what might happen.

 

You might find it helpful to see a dietician to help you with this.  SA's suggestions about this type of thing are only general and if specific assistance is required you need to take action yourself for any issue.

 

And just like tapering, it is up to you to listen to your body/symptoms and keep symptoms notes so that you can assess how you are being affected.

 

 

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:  (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq  on 13th November 2021

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

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How do I stay calm even with "good" stress such as birthdays, holidays, socializing etc. I want to still enjoy life without dealing with the consequences of increased withdrawal symptoms after. I'm also trying to go back to work full-time after not working for a year and four months. I'm finding a remote job that has flexible hours so I can take breaks and stay in a quiet environment. Worried this change will throw me off balance even further. 

-2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg

-10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month

-4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days

-4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg 

-omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg)

-11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg,

-Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg

-montelukast: 10 mg dailyzyrtec: 10 mg daily 

-3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped

-birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 

7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped

7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped 

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