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Hello,

 

I try to reduce my cyamemazin since August 2020. Since this time I have very hard symptoms who are not going away.

I start to reduce at 10 mg with drops. At the beginning with a Dropsyringue, after with a 0,1 mg scale and since 19.04.2021 with water ( 1 tabs 25 mg in 100 ml water, I take 16,5 ml)

Since I use the method with water I have very bad sensibility disorders (the feeling my body move all the time) and very hard dizziness (the dizziness is since august 2020 but worst now). I tolerate this symptoms not any more and I don't know why I'm not feeling better.

 

My hypothesis are :

- maybe I don't tolerate my cyamemazin anymore, then I should reduce 

- maybe I have not enough, then I should take more

- the half-value period is 10 h, I take it since 12 years only the evening, then I should to begin to split it

- I should take trimipramin and cyamemazin at the same time

 

Maybe somebody has a idea why I don't cure.

 

I'm registered on ADFD in Germany (Forum like AD) since 6 months, a member there tell me that Altostrata has very good experience with adverse reaction and maybe can help me...

 

Thank you for your answer ...

 

 

CYAMEMAZIN

http://cdn.neiglobal.com/content/pg/live/cyamemazine.pdf

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Welcome, @Anneazen

 

How much cyamemazin are you taking in tablet form and how much in liquid form now?
 

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7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg. 6.04 : 4,16 mg. 19.04.2021 : begin to dose with pills and water : 4,16 mg


 

 

Why did you increase your dosage from 4.03mg (January 7) to 4.21mg to 4.16mg?

 

I see you started trimipramine in January. How did your symptom pattern change after you started trimipramine? What effect did it have?

 

 

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hallo Altostrata,

 

tank you for your message.

 

I took from 2008 until 18.0.2021 the dosage from cyamemazin in drop form.

 

since 19.04.2021 I put one 25 mg tablet in 100 ml water und drink 16,5 ml also I use actually only this method.

 

I increase the 7.01 und the 14.01 the dosage because I was feeling so bad and was thinking that I will feel better with more. But it didn't work and I was feeling bader. In the past I didn't know that increase is a stress too for my brain.

 

the 6.04 I took a little bit less because I change the bottle of cyamemazin. The problem with the drops is that the product is not stable and every time when I changed the bottle I feel really bad. That's why I stop the drops and use now the method with the water.

 

I started trimipramin in 2020. When I was in the hospital in January 2020 the doctor gave me trimipramin that I can sleep. I try to reduce but it was horrible and then I stop the reduction.

 

 

Dear, annazen

 

 

 

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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sorry I made a mistake with my name and don't know how to change it. It is  Annazen (not anneazen)

 

please can you change it, thank you

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. We need to know how you feel before and after taking each drug, and your symptoms in between. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. This can help us understand your symptoms.

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Hello Altostrata and thank you for your answer.

 

 

I take everyday the trimipramin 62,5 mg (pills) and exactly after 15 min the cyamemazin (titration).

one day I change this and took the cyamemazin 35 min after the trimipramin and the next day I was feeling so bad that I took again the Cya. 15 min after the Trimi.

I think it would be better to take 2 or 3 h later the trimipramin after the cya. but I feel so bad that's why Im really afraid to change something now. what do you think about this ?

withdrawal symptoms.pages

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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17 hours ago, Annazen said:

Hello Altostrata and thank you for your answer.

 

 

I take everyday the trimipramin 62,5 mg (pills) and exactly after 15 min the cyamemazin (titration).

One day I change this and took the cyamemazin 35 min after the trimipramin and the next day I was feeling so bad that I took again the Cya. 15 min after the Trimi.

I think it would be better to take the trimipramin 2 or 3 hours after the cya but this days I feel so bad that I'm really afraid to change something now. What do you think about taking the both medicate together ?

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Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello Annazen,

 

iam glad you took the advice and search for help here on SA. Alto and the mods are really good in sorting things out.

Especially about the issues of taking these two quite similar medications together, in a very short time frame.

Which can cause adverse reactions.

 

Not sure if she is automatically looking into each thread, so it would be wise to tag her. Iam sure she gets a lot of messages every day.

Just type @Altostrata, then a popup will appear. Click on it and it will look like this @Altostrata.

 

Also, the data you have attached on your post doesnt look like it can be opened. Its better to use a cloud like google drive, upload whatever you want to share and

post the link here.

 

Greetings!

 

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On 6/22/2021 at 9:27 AM, Annazen said:

 

Hello Nomansland,

 

you find me here, funny...

 

I don' understand what you mean with type @altostrata. I will wait until she answer me.

 

I try (only 1 day) to take my cyamemazin 37 min after the trimipramin (instead 15 min after the trimipramin) and  I feel so bad the next day. Now I'm sure that there is a adverse reaction between the 2 medications. I think i shouldn't change anything because I'm still so instable and should try like this for a few weeks. If I don't feel better in a few weeks I will try to change it.

 

When I took the cyamemazin in drops form I always take it at the same time as the cyamemazin. When I changed my method and begin to use the titration I was feeling so bad  I know now that it was because change the time from the 2 medications (trimipramin 25 min before Cyamemazin)...

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello....

 

Here the list with times of the day I take my drugs, their dosages, and my symptoms throughout the day :

 

hour after I take my 2 Medikation I begin to feel very bad. All the symptoms is much more strong until the next day around  12 hAt 10:30 and 14 h have a ‘'symptoms attack''after 30 min they increase. Around 15 h I have the feeling that I'm not in the reality anymore, the I'm not in my body anymore.


8h: Wake up with this symptom: 
Fatigue hangover feeling, headacheI feel vibrations in all my bodyI feel that body is pressedI have the feeling my body is swipedMy vision is strangely like a robot and everything I see is vibrantMy muscle are painful and burn, Trembling, Shaking, DisequilibriumRinging in the earsAll my muscles from my face are contracted and painful
I feel in my head like if I’ would be on a boat (splashing feeling), I feel movement like waves in all my body, I feel in my head like shocks from left to rightup and down. The electricity in my brain is permanently and is during all the days with brain zaps every 2 minutes .
Around 10 h: The hangover and gripe feeling is going away 

10:30 panic attacksagitation 

12 h : the symptoms increase a little bit 

14 panic attack

16:52. I take 62,5 mg in tab form

17:07: I take the cyamemazin with titration 

18:07. all the symptoms are getting  worse: the feeling that l all my body is movingI feel the vibrations in my chestthe, the shocks in my head are horrible, the electricity is more intense , my skin is burning

21 h the symptoms are not so intense any more

22:30 sleep

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Thank you, @Annazen. Please note, ordinarily I don't download documents.

 

10 hours ago, Annazen said:

16:52. I take 62,5 mg in tab form

17:07: I take the cyamemazin with titration 

 

What drugs, what dosages for each?

 

11 hours ago, Annazen said:

I try (only 1 day) to take my cyamemazin 37 min after the trimipramin (instead 15 min after the trimipramin) and  I feel so bad the next day.

 

In what ways did you feel bad?

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Hello Altostrata,

 

and thank you for your answer.

 

16:52 : I take 62,5 mg Trimipramin

17:07 : I take 4,16 mg Cyamemazin

 

when I take the cyamemazin 37 min after the trimipramin (instead cya 15 min after Trimipramin) I feel bad : I mean that all the symptoms was much more strong

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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You take both these drugs in the early evening? Why?

 

Does 4.16mg Cyamemazin make you drowsy? What effect did Trimipramin have when you added it in January 2020? You were in withdrawal then from the bromazepam, correct?

 

19 hours ago, Annazen said:

when I take the cyamemazin 37 min after the trimipramin (instead cya 15 min after Trimipramin) I feel bad : I mean that all the symptoms was much more strong

 

What symptoms become stronger?

 

What is your sleep pattern?

 

Note: According to Drugbank

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The serum concentration of Cyamemazine can be increased when it is combined with Trimipramine.

 

This indicates a drug-drug interaction.

 

Andrew D. Krystal, in Principles and Practice of Sleep Medicine (Sixth Edition), 2017 (ScienceDirect)

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Three tricyclic antidepressants—doxepin, amitriptyline, and trimipramine—are used relatively frequently for the treatment of insomnia, presumably because of the sedating effects noted when they have been used to treat major depression.3,45,47Interactions with the tricyclic antidepressants may occur through effects on their predominant metabolic pathways, which involve the cytochrome P450 system CYP3A4, CYP2C19, CYP2D6, and CYP2C9 isoenzymes.48,49 By affecting these isoenzymes or altering hepatic blood flow, a number of factors can increase blood levels of tricyclic antidepressants, including age, antipsychotic medications, methylphenidate, fluoxetine, paroxetine, cimetidine, diltiazem, and grapefruit juice.50 There is also genetic variation in the capacity to metabolize tricyclic antidepressants in the population, which leads to substantial person-to-person differences in the relationship between dosage and therapeutic and adverse effects.50 Amitriptyline, doxepin, and trimipramine reach their maximum serum concentration (Tmax) in 1.5 to 6 hours after oral ingestion and have elimination half-lives (T1/2) on the order of 10 to 50 hours.48-50

 

Characterization of human cytochrome P450 enzymes involved in the metabolism of cyamemazine (ResearchGate)

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The main routes of cyamemazine biotransformation are N-mono-demethylation (CYP1A2, CYP3A4 and CYP2C8) and mono-oxidation (either S-oxidized or hydroxylated derivatives which could not be discriminated because characterized by the same mass value) by CYP1A2 and CYP2C9. Secondary metabolic routes yields N,N-di-demethylated and N-demethylated mono-oxidized products. Thus, under in vitro conditions, cyamemazine is extensively degraded by at least four distinct P450 enzymes, into two primary hydrophilic metabolites. These results suggest that cyamemazine detoxification process is unlikely to be significantly impaired by co-administration of therapeutic agents that are substrates of the CYP metabolic system.

 

Wikipedia cyamemazine half-life 10 hours

 

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Hello Altostrata,

 

thank you for your answer and the very useful informations !

 

I don't know if I'm drowsy from the 62,5 mg Trimipramin or from the 4,16 mg Cyamemazin because I take it together in a short time.

When I added the trimipramin I was really tired and slept a lot. After a few days I didn't feel so tired anymore.

The withdrawal from the bromazepam was from 21.01.2020 until 31.01.2020 in the hospital.

I became the trimipramin the first day I begin the withdrawal from bromazepam.

 

When I took the trimipramin 37 min before the cyamemazin (instead 15 min before) this symptoms was stronger : the electricity in my brain, the brain zaps, my skin burn, the movements I feel in my body get stronger, the Trembling, the Shaking, the Disequilibrium, the Ringing in the ear, the panic attack begin again, the vibrations in my body. 

 

Usual I sleep good, around 10 hours and wake op only one time in the night. When I changed the time when I took my medication I woke up every hours, slept bad und woke up with pain in all my body.

 

Since 14 days I take exactly the Trimipramin 15 min before the cyamemazin (I use a timekeeper now) and since 2 days I have the feeling that  all the symptoms are getting less :)

I'm sure now that the problem was the time between the 2 medications : I experiment this interaction  and now I know that there is a interaction between the both medication. But if I make the same procedure every day then I have  the same interaction every day. When I have the same interaction every day I will have the same increase of serum concentration of Cyamemazine....

 

 

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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8 hours ago, Annazen said:

When I have the same interaction every day I will have the same increase of serum concentration of Cyamemazine....

 

This is true, but a difference of 22 minutes should not be material -- trimipramine reaches peak plasma in 2-4 hours (half-life ~24 hours); cyamemazine peak plasma (tmax) 2.25 hours (half-life ~10 hours). 

 

It may be that taking the trimipramine a little earlier allows enough trimipramine to get into your system in 22 minutes such that addition of cyamemazine somehow elevates the trimipramine blood level, and you are getting an adverse reaction to this change. It is also possible that changing the dosing schedule made you anxious and your symptoms arise from that.

 

It is also possible you have been regularly experiencing rebound symptoms from the previous day's cyamemazine, as the drug's half-life is only 10 hours and you're taking it only once in 24 hours.

 

At any rate, to see what the drugs are doing and make a taper plan, they need to be separated more in dosing. In your experience, which is more sedating? That is the one you will want to take closer to bedtime.

 

Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. We need to know how you feel before and after taking each drug, and your symptoms in between. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. This can show if your symptoms are adverse effects from one of your drugs.

 

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Hello Altostrata,

 

thank you for your answer.

 

The best would be to take the trimipramin (more sedating) 3-4 hours after the cyamemazin. But I think I have to stabile me before I change anything. I will wait 2 - 3 weeks with this time shedule and see how I'm feeling. Now I'm to afraid to change anything : I feel so bad since 10 Months and now I have finally the feeling that is it a little better since 2 days...

 

Auf course before I begin to taper again I will change the time between the 2 medications.

 

I feel every day the drug half-life : the symptoms are getting worst after 2 p.m. I already was thinking that I should spilt it but to prepare 2 times a day the titration would be really complicated. I took since 12 years the cyamemazin only one time in a day and in the past I didn't feel the half-life. Maybe because I had more...

 

 

Now I have a good plan :

- wait 2-3 weeks and see if I feel better

- change the time shedule : cyamemazin and after 3-4 hours Trimipramin

- begin to taper the cyamemazin

 

Thank you for all your advices !

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello,

 

I feel really bad today although I changed nothing.I think I have to try to take the trimipramin after the cyamemazin.

 

When should I take it : the trimipramin 2 or 3 or 4 hours after the cyamemazin ? 

 

Should I change suddenly from 2 or 3 hours later or should I change progressively (take Trimkipramin 30 min after cyamemazin for 1 week, then the Trimipramin 1 hour after, then 1h30, then 2 hours etc...) ?

 

 

thank you for your answer...

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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  • 1 month later...

Hello...

 

I switch the time between my 2 medications (4 hours between) and my symptoms are still the same as when I took them at the same time.

 

Does somebody as experience with LSD or carbamazepine oder Lamotrigin as microdose to help against the withdrawalsymptomes ?

 

Thank you for your answer...

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello, 

 

i was taking at the same time the trimipramin and the cyamemazin during 1 one. The 1. August I change this time and take now the trimipramin at 16:30 and the cyamemazin at 20:30. The first 12 days after I change it was ok.

Then after 12 days I begin to feel every days more bad and the symptoms change everyday.

I don't understand why. Should I change it again and take the both medication at the same time again ? Or should I wait more ?

 

Thank you for yours advices, Annazen

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello, @Annazen

 

I am sorry I did not see your responses. 

 

Did you change the trimipramine and cyamemazine dosing schedule immediately or in stages?

 

On 8/30/2021 at 6:19 AM, Annazen said:

Then after 12 days I begin to feel every days more bad and the symptoms change everyday.

 

Did the timing of your symptoms change? We had identified interdose withdrawal symptoms from cyamemazine, did those move with the schedule of the cyamemazine?

 

This is a method to see what the drugs are doing individually: Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. We need to know how you feel before and after taking each drug, and your symptoms in between. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right.

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Hello Altostrata,

 

in the past I was taking the trimipramin at 16:52 h and the cyamemazin at 17:07 h (15 min between both medications)

 

Now I take the trimipramin at 16:30 and the cyamemazin at 20:30 ( hours between both)

 

I change the shedule in 2 stages : I begin to slide the cyamemazin of 2 hours and after a 4 days when I feel better I slide again of 2 hours.

 

This shedule change of cyamemazin is exactly like a tapering of cyamemazin : exactly the same symptoms and exactly the same evolution of symptoms.

 

It is difficult to say if The interdose withdrawal symptoms of cyamemazin changed with the change of shedule from cyamemazin because in the past I had the interdose withdrawal symptoms at 8 h, 10 h, 12h , 14 h and 16 h. Now I wake up later (at 9 and in the past 7) because I take the cyamemazin later. The first interdose withdrawal symptoms begin at 10 then 12 until 14h and at 16 h again. At 16:30 I take the trimipramin and after 30 min I have other symptoms because of the trimipramin.

 

What is interesting is : when I took the both medication together I was feeling very bad after 30 min and I was thinking that I feel bad from the cyamemazin.

But since I changed the shedule of Cyamemazin I know that I'm feeling bad 30 min after the trimipramin and when I take the cyamemazin  hours later I feel better.

 

I will write daily notes and post it here.

 

That you for your help...

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Good morning,

 

It is difficult to describe the sensations I feel in my body, I will try to describe it simply.

When I shifted the medication I decided to take the trimipramin 4 hours before the cyamemazin because : 
- trimipramin is more tiring and takes 3 hours to act, so I am more tired in the evening when I go to bed around 9pm
- the cyamemazin that I take in titration form is long and complicated to prepare that's why I do it at night when I'm at home

 

I have shifted the time by 4 hours so that the absorption of the trimipramin is finished when I take the cyamemazin. I know that it would be better to space out the medications even more but I was feeling so bad when I shifted by 4 hours that I prefer to wait until I feel much better to shift even more.

 

8:00 am: wake up hungover, slippery dizzy, headache

9:30 am : feeling like my brain is burning

10 am: peak of symptoms: I feel like an external force pushing me, compressing me, feeling of electric current in my brain and face, muscles of the face contracted, feeling that my whole body is sliding, leaning to one side

11 am: aggravation of this external force

12 to 14 h: extreme compressing force, beginning of dizziness with liquid sensation in my head, the impression of being on a mattress on water, sensation of falling in my head in my body, electric sensation in the face and the brain, brainzaps, beginning of shocks in my head

15:00: compressive force attacks again, sensation that my brain is blurred, I cannot think anymore

16:30: took 62,5 mg of trimipramine

17:10: worsening of the dizziness

18-19 h : highest intensity of all symptoms : shocks, undulations, brainzaps, external force

19:30 - 21:30 : no more symptoms (trimipramin works ?)

20:30 intake of cyamemazin

21:30 : undulations and slipping start again (cyamemazin works ?)

22:00 : general feeling of discomfort
22:30: beginning of sleep with electric current, brainzaps, slipping, sudden fall in my head, nausea
22:45 I fall asleep


There is a worsening of the intensity of symptoms during the day. The worst moment is after taking trimipramin, and I have one hour without symptoms between 20:30 and 21:30 since the last time shift on 1.08.2021

The symptoms are there every day, every hour, every minute. The intensity of the symptoms has decreased a little bit.
Sometimes I have days when the symptoms are less important in intensity and suddenly one day I wake up and the symptoms are again much more intense and I don't know why...

 

I don't know why this horrible feeling of external force that pushes me to start 12 days after the time difference and worsens from week to week. I don't know why and I'm afraid it won't go away.

 

 

Thank you for your help, Annazen

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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I have another question: will the hypersensitivity I developed during my withdrawal diminish over time if I don't change the dosage for a few months or will each reduction (I'll do 5 or 2% reductions) be a horror like what I've already experienced?

Will I feel the short half-life of cyamemazin less over time? Other people have gone through withdrawal from drugs that have short half-lives, how did it go for them? Did they have to go to 2 or 3 times a day to wean off?

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Hello,

 

I prepare my daily cyamemazin dosage by titration method. What would be very practical would be to be able to prepare it in advance, to put the exact dose in a syringe and to be able to take this syringe with me. This would allow me to be a little more free and not have to go always home at 8:30 pm
the question is to know if the cyamemazin molecule is stable for a few hours in water.
Has anyone tried to prepare the solution in advance? Does it work well?

 

thanks for your answer....

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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hello everyone,

 

I prepare my dosage by titration since April 2021. In August I changed the time of taking my 2 medications.
Since then I have not changed anything. I still have a lot of symptoms and the improvement is minimal.
Every day I have a big variation of symptoms.
After so many months I should be better. 
Having almost no improvement I wonder if the titration method can be used with cyamemazin. Maybe the molecule is unstable in water.
Does anyone know where I can find this information?

 

 

Thank you for your answer....

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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  • 8 months later...

Hello,

 

I really hope someone answers me today. I am really desperate...

 

I had not changed any of my medication dosages since January 2020 and my withdrawal symptoms remain unchanged: I don't understand why there is no improvement with time. I'm still as bad as I was a year and a half ago.

 

I tried to decrease my cyamemazin at 6. September 2022 : I was at 4,16 mg and I decreased by 0,025 mg: it was a disaster and after 2 days I went back to the old dose. Is there anyone else here who is sensitive to such a small variation in dose?

 

I feel a big variation of symptoms from day to day and I wonder if it would not be better to prepare my titration with more volume in order to be even more precise. Maybe by being more precise I will feel less these variations from day to day. Unless these variations are due to the different doses in each tablet...

 

I have noticed that when I start a new pack of cyamemazin, the symptoms explode the next day. This phenomenon is present at each change of pack. Are there other people here who have the same problem as me?

 

Thanks for answering me.

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello, @Annazen What drugs are you taking now, at what times o'clock and dosages?

 

An old pack of cyamemazine may have lost potency slightly. When you start a new pack, you may be able to reduce dosage a little bit, because the new pills may be stronger. Are your pills extended-release?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hello Altrostata, 

 

and thank you very much for your answer. 
 

i still take trimipramine 62,5 mg at 17:25 and cyamemazin 4,18 mg at 21:25. I didn’t change the time since 1 year. I just try a very small reduction of  cyamemazine  July 2022 from 4,19 mg to 4,18 mg at I react very bad at this small reduction.

 

A pack of cyamemazine has 30 tabs. The day after I begin a new pack all the symptoms are getting worse. The same problem happen with each pack. 
The pack is always in a box without light or humidity. I think I don’t recover because of this problem… Wenn every 30 days there is another dose in a new package my brain can’t recover….

 

Is there here another people who are so sensitive as me ?

 

Thank for your answer….

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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Hello,

 

Ineed your help and advice. I am currently suffering from excruciating neuralgia in my bladder and genitalia (labia majora, labia minora and clitoris).

 

On 07/25/2022 I reduced the dose of my neuroleptic from 4,188 mg to 4,175 mg. The next day I started to have an unpleasant feeling of pressure in the bladder.

 

on 22.09.2022 I started a new package of a new batch of my neuroleptic: the next day the pressure in the bladder got worse.

 

the 7.10.2022: excruciating pains in the bladder started and pains in the urethra appeared: sensation of permanent painful contracture in the bladder and the urethra. The pain increases when the bladder fills up and explodes during and after urination.

 

7.10.2022: unfortunately, I increased the dose of my neuroleptic from 4,175 mg to 4,224 mg because I could not sleep anymore. After that the bladder pain got worse.

Since then, the bladder and urethral pain is still unbearable and does not get better with time, although I have not changed the dose of my neuroleptic.

 

Since 30.01.2023, excruciating burns with electric sensation have appeared in the genitals (labia majora and minora and clitoris).

 

I have already consulted about ten doctors and all the examinations carried out are normal. I've tried all the painkillers and none of them diminish the pain.

 

Has anyone had similar pain? Can anyone recommend something that will reduce the pain?

 

Thank you for your answers...

 

Annazen

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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@Annazen Hi Annazen, I am experiencing the same bladder problems. I am wondering if you have any improvement? Just need some hope. This is hell…

2012-2020: Cipramil 15 mg (tappering during 1 year, no wd)
2023 February: Sertraline 50mg and Fluanxol 1mg


Stop Sertralin July 2023. Since Pgad, painful bladder, tinnitus among other symptoms

Stop Fluanxol August 2023. Symptoms got worse. 

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Hello DeeVe,

yes, it's horrible. I've had no life since the pain started.
unfortunately it's getting worse and worse.


i just saw that you stopped taking sertraline in july 2023. if i were you, i'd start taking sertraline again right away, but at a lower dose. These pains are a frequent problem with sertraline withdrawal. You stopped taking sertraline for how many weeks?

If you don't start taking it again, there's a risk that your pains will become chronic.

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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the symptom are getting worse when you stop to take your 1 mg Fluanxol. If I were you I would take now the 1 mg again.

 

 

Bromazepam 

- 1998 - 31.01.2020 : Bromazepam 6 mg (withdrawal in the hospital in 9 days ! : indescribable  horror....)

 

Trimipramin :

- begin 21.01.2020 : Trimipramin 75 mg, 11.02.20 : 69 mg, 18.05.20 : 66 mg, 10.06.20 : 63 mg, 1.04.2021 62,5 mg

 

Cyamemazin

- 2008- 28.06.2020 : 10 mg to sleep,  28.06.20 : 8 mg, 28.07.20 : 7 mg. 28.08 : 5,5 mg . 4.09 : 4 mg. 22.09 : 4,5 mg.  19.10 : 3 mg. 23.11 : 3,75 mg : dosage with a scale.  7.01.2021 : 4,03 mg. 14.01 : 4,21 mg.  6.04 : 4,188 mg.  19.04.2021 : 4,188 mg and change method begin to dose with titration. 25.07.2022 : 4,175 mg, 22.09.22 : new batch and bladder and genital beginn 😫, 7.10.2022 : 4,224 mg and pains increase

 

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