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Venlafckcine
On 10/21/2012 at 8:09 PM, Altostrata said:

My acupuncturist does full-body acupuncture. He has an MD and a PhD in neurophysiology.

 

Please let me clarify: He's given me treatments to CALM and STABILIZE vagus nerve activity, not to stimulate the vagus nerve!

 

The symptoms he was dealing with were spells of disorientation, buzzing in the chest, palpitations, or tachycardia accompanied by a lot of stomach gas and belching. (Also known as "autonomic dumping.")

 

Because the vagus nerve affects both heart rate and stomach activity, he thought my vague nerve was "irritated," which is a bad thing. (I don't know what irritates it. I am suspecting sitting a long time at the computer might be involved.)

 

I don't know what would happen if you stimulated your vagus nerve.

Hi guys,

 

Here is an interesting article that might shed some light on these mysterious symptoms: https://hhv-6foundation.org/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/cfs-a-herpesvirus-infection-of-the-vagus-nerve

 

Ven

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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Altostrata

No, withdrawal syndrome is not a herpes infection of the vagus nerve. It's not an infection.

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Venlafckcine
6 hours ago, Altostrata said:

No, withdrawal syndrome is not a herpes infection of the vagus nerve. It's not an infection.

Even worse. It might be both. 

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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Not, it's neither. If you want to discuss this further, take your discussion to the Events, Controversies forum. I try to keep nonsense out of the informational forums.

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Venlafckcine
4 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Not, it's neither. If you want to discuss this further, take your discussion to the Events, Controversies forum. I try to keep nonsense out of the informational forums.

Could you shift this to the right place? I don't how how to shift an open discussion to another forum.

There is some immunomodulatory effects mediated by serotonin (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jir/2015/354957/). 
Medication working on serotonin receptors also alters immunofunction (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6509093/).
Possible underlying infections might get adapted to this new function. In sudden withdrawal immune system can't cope the viral (or pathogen) load and what patients experience is both the withdrawal from their drug plus effects of an underlying infection.

Thanks for your help with shifting this to the right place!

 

Ven
 

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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@Venlafckcine this is the place for random theories.

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Venlafckcine
44 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

@Venlafckcine this is the place for random theories.

perfect, thanks! :)

 

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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51 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

@Venlafckcine this is the place for random theories.

Uhm - I saw the title of this thread only now. I think it is somewhat missleading. The question here is whether withdrawal could worsen a herpes infection. ;)

 

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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Is it? You started with reference to a paper about herpes causing chronic fatigue syndrome.

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Venlafckcine
8 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Is it? You started with reference to a paper about herpes causing chronic fatigue syndrome.

Yes - but this is not the question here. 😃 This paper gives an overview of what might happen when the vagus nerve is been infected by a certain virus and what might follow this infection. 
Put simply - the question is: if the withdrawal could cause the virus to wake up and worsen symptoms or cause more or other symptoms. 
 

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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Venlafckcine

I just added my question in the next post here: 
 

Maybe I expressed this somewhat complicated!? 🙄

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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Altostrata

Please clarify the question you wish to raise so others who are interested in this topic may continue the discussion in the direction you want.

 

Personally, I am not interested in this topic. Please do not tag me again to read anything in it.

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Venlafckcine

Hi guys,

 

The title of this thread should be: "Can HHV infection exacerbate during psych drug withdrawal?" The existing title was given by a moderator during the switch of this topic from another forum. I don't know why cause and consequence were interchanged in this way but we can still go on discussing this topic. :)


Ven

 

 

2014 – 2020: Venlafaxine (extended release) in doses from 37,5 – 300 mg

2017: Venlafaxine - started tapering off after discontinuation had failed

12-15-2019: Venlafaxine 2,64 mg (8 beads) = 4 weeks

01-15-2020: Venlafaxine 1,32 mg (4 beads)] = 6 weeks || 02-29: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 6 weeks || 04-15: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 14 weeks = 3,5 month || 07-25: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 1 day || 07-26: 1,65 mg (5 beads) ≈ 2 weeks || 08-10: 1,98 mg (6 beads) = 4 days || 08-14: 1,65 mg (5 beads) = 4 days || 08-18: 0,99 mg (3 beads) = 6 days || 08-24: (0 mg)

08-2020 – 03-2021: Diazepam occasionally in doses from 2,5 – 5 mg

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Altostrata
On 10/21/2012 at 11:09 AM, Altostrata said:

My acupuncturist does full-body acupuncture. He has an MD and a PhD in neurophysiology.

 

Please let me clarify: He's given me treatments to CALM and STABILIZE vagus nerve activity, not to stimulate the vagus nerve!

 

The symptoms he was dealing with were spells of disorientation, buzzing in the chest, palpitations, or tachycardia accompanied by a lot of stomach gas and belching. (Also known as "autonomic dumping.")

 

Because the vagus nerve affects both heart rate and stomach activity, he thought my vague nerve was "irritated," which is a bad thing. (I don't know what irritates it. I am suspecting sitting a long time at the computer might be involved.)

 

I don't know what would happen if you stimulated your vagus nerve.

 

FYI, my post, quoted above, has nothing to do with herpes. I have never had herpes, and I did not have a herpes infection of the vagus nerve. Withdrawal did not exacerbate any HHV infection for me.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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