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Hi @Oaktree1. Your covid-experience sounds awful. I hope you have entered the still bothersome but panic free fase. Covid is no picnic. Take care and read healing stuff. And watch braindead movies. And senseless YouTube clips. And take naps. And eat somewhat healthy guilty pleasures. Support from Denmark. 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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Heyo Oaktree - 

I'm fighting a head cold.  You know the old fashioned kind that knocks out your breath and drains you?  Been isolated for a week (RAT-) - and I've been thinking - 

OMG I hear that COVID is so much harder.  And I hear you are going through it.

Empathy, friend.  Be kind to yourself.

 

And I hope you see the sun today.

"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


The tedious thread (my intro):  JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium

The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

My own blog:  https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/

 

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!

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Thanks @JanCarol @Carmie, @Ariel and @Mirtazapine20mg

for your kind words on Covid.

 

Unfortunately it's a week down the road and the vertigo has not dissipated.  I am on Stelmetil (Chlorpromazine maleate) which is an anti vertigo med.  Only for that I would not be able to function at all.  When i raise or lower my head too much  the world goes into a tailspin - I think it is vestibular neuritis which can occur after a viral infection.  But I get dizzy when bending down or moving my head from side to side if I am lying down and I feel like I am on a boat generally when moving around.  I am trying to do vestibular rehab exercises.  Can't drive which is not good as I live in a place with little public transport. I still have diarrhea and upset stomach.  I luckily was able to see the doctor last Monday and she advised having checked me out that it was Covid related.  I try not to think too far down the road but I am really scared now. 

 

Needless to say the people I live with are unsympathetic and disinterested. Even though I am still dizzy and sick I had to ring the provider to log a call after a broadband problem this morning and go around the house bending down to locate wires and boxes - there is rarely any thanks or acknowledgement if I do something.  I am really beginning to notice this in the past while.  Today I tried to inquire from one parent about renovations she is doing elsewhere just to make conversations but she was so nasty I eventually just said 'forget it' and having sat quietly for a while and digested what happened the last week I eventually said to her 'you are unkind' very quietly and just left.   She was away when I got very ill.  When I rang her on the Sunday when my symptoms became very bad she just told me to take a tranquilliser and that it was probably my anxiety that was making the vertigo worse.  Her tone of voice was 'oh god why do I have to be bothered with this one?' I have cared for her for years on and off when she had been ill often for extended periods when she was very difficult; she was put off the road once for a year and the angry depression that resulted was very hard to be around; she said awful things to me that year - but it's never really been acknowledged - just taken for granted.  I got a book once by Susan Jeffers on certain types of parents but the shock of  recognition  of my own parents behaviour was so painful that I had to give it away to the libraries free book drop off.

 

There is another sibling's dog coming now for the next week which I wasn't told about in advance.  I tried to impress on both of my parents that I am unable to do the housework stuff that I used to do currently and that I would be unable to walk and look after the other dog due to the vertigo. 

 

The thing that gets to me is the unkindness - they really just view me as a liability. Even when I was very sick at the weekend - I was making the calls to the emergency doc but as I had to keep going to the bathroom to get sick I felt I would miss the call and then go to the back of the queue again.  I had been waiting over 3 hours and the other person could not have cared less.  Eventually I just got up even though I was finding it hard to stand and gave him the phone and said 'look I am very sick you will have to wait by the phone until the call comes through please as I might miss the call due to vomiting'  He eventually took the phone.  When I think about it now anyone who genuinely cared would have said 'you're too sick to wait by the phone; I will wait for the call'. 

 

There have been so many instances of stuff like that happening over the years.  When my mother first got very ill the same thing happened.  My father went on the bottle immediately and refused to deal with her illness; one sibling was away abroad and my mother would not tell her as 'she did not want to spoil her summer'; the other sibling went no contact.  On her first night back from hospital she rang her brother the doctor in the States; he spoke with the no contact sibling who had visited for the only time he ever did during the course of her illness and subsequently her husband and when he got off the phone she told me that he had said to her 'well kid - you're on your own'.  He didn't bother speaking to me as I was the one with mental health issues. 

 

In any event I was the one who cared for her on and off for the next year while she went in and out of emergency departments and various hospitals and consultants rooms and the pay off I got for that was being accused behind my back a year later by her of 'being a selfish narcissist' because she thought incorrectly that I had messed up an interview for a secretarial job.  She was desperate to get rid of me for years and tried to get me out into a house but I was very attached to the place were I live - it is beautiful' and I was so lonely having lost all my friends that I kept trying to attach to 'family'.  I had a uncle and a older lady who loved me and I have to hang on to that.  It's hard to love or be kind to yourself when your life experience has been one of being excluded or bullied or just not loved.

 

Someone reading this might think why didn't she get out?  She's full of maudlin self pity and well yes I am full of self pity but more than that the main question in my mind is why wasn't I ever loved?  Why wasn't the things that I did over the years even acknowledged while other people behaved badly and got treated well?  Because if I just go with that and leave then I've nothing at all and no one.  

 

I have other posts to answer and I hope to get around to them soon.  The problem with boards I notice is that I tend to post when I am feeling bad and I think that is almost universal.

 

There has never been any acknowledgement for any of that stuff.  The lack of reciprocity or even a bit of kindness over the last few has just made me think.  I have had to say out loud - 'I cannot do 'x' as I can't drive'.  It would be so nice if one of them said something kind - if they asked with genuine warmth - 'how are you feeling?' but they are too selfish to do that and think mainly of themselves.  If that is judgmental then so be it.   But I am so scared of being on my own and have had such bad relationships with people generally that I have stayed (in addition to the very real financial reasons) as it is really my only connection to a group of humans.  Again I don't know why this is - ASD or just having bad attachment issues or just being one of those people that people kick around or people find annoying.  If I were to write all the times I was bullied or excluded in my life it would be a very very long post.   My parents care very little for me though.  The other two siblings have done well in life - one very well - so even though this sibling has treated them badly this sibling is still one of the golden children along with the other one.

 

I hope to answer other posts soon - just doing as @Ariel told me you did once in a reply - kind of journaling.  I prefer to write it here than on Word as I feel very alone.  I have had nearly a month now of caring for one parent with Covid and then myself with no support or help other than the odd text from one sibling and two phone calls from them when I was very ill.  I am wiped out from it. It's going to be self pity all the way from me for the next while hahahaha.  If that is unattractive then so be it...I hopefully am adding to the canon on those who would be medicated for having unattractive or needy personalities (bad joke)

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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@Oaktree1 Words cannot describe how sad I feel for you. My brain isn't working and I am at loss for words right now and finding it hard to put together anything profound LOL.     Please remember there are a lot of people who care for you here on SA.♥️  I hope you can find compassion and love for yourself. ♥️

Please keep standing up for yourself

 

Sending you a big hug🤗

 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/

1995? Prozac,  tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz

 Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015  Kindled   Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify  Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016  ended back on   Prozac and Lamictal 200mg

5/2020  thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg  Prozac  down to 3mg.  Crashed  12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct  1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct  2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg.  Became hypo manic 2/1  6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25  25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg.  2/24  100mg   4/9  75mg   4/21 37.5 

2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr  3/3 100mg  3/17  150mg  side effects ct   4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg  4/14  7.5mg  4/30 10mg  5/10  7.5mg 

2021/ 5/16  5mg Lexapro   37.5 Lamictal   25mg trazadone,   xanax  .0625mg  3x a day   

Lexapro  Taper> Sept/01/2021  4.90mg>  Sept/25  4.75mg>   Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg    Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid  4.2mg  (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg>  2/24  3.8mg  slow taper to  Aug/12/2022 2.04mg  2023> 2mg,  1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg

Lamictal  taper  4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22-   0

 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg  July 2023   0

Xanax  0.0625 3 x a day,  2023>  0.042 3x a day

Supplements  Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC 

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Hi @Oaktree1. Thank you for your kind post in my introduction. A tiny word from you, and I am a little less unhappy. The bleakness is much easier to fight when you know that someone on the other side of the North Sea is fighting it too - with you.

 

1 hour ago, Oaktree1 said:

I got a book once by Susan Jeffers on certain types of parents but the shock of  recognition  of my own parents behaviour was so painful that I had to give it away to the libraries free book drop off.

 

Do I know that feeling. To be honest I don't dare to go there (I too 'dropped the book off'). Anger and resentment will eat me. Same goes for friendships. Today I don't expect anything. It may sound awful, but the kind of egocentric behavior you describe I often lump under the label 'stupidity' (not the cute kind). It is easier to forgive, when I view impoliteness or unkindness or down right bullying as a product of stupidity. It also makes it easier to stand my ground. Instead of anger I feel pity when they do something unreasonable. Now I make it sound easy. It is not. When I try to pull myself out of the AD/psychiatric swamp, as I do now, I routinely blame myself. I have always done that. I have to do some serious rebalancing after interactions as the ones you describe. I am babbling. What I am really trying to say is: I feel you, I get upset just the way you do, and I wish could send you a bottle of f-you coolness to use in appropriate situations. Because one thing I have learned: F-you coolness really gets to them. 

 

I for one do not find you the least annoying. I find you the opposite. You will transform these experiences into strength Oaktree. I know you will 🙂.

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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1 hour ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

Thank you for your kind post in my introduction. A tiny word from you, and I am a little less unhappy. The bleakness is much easier to fight when you know that someone on the other side of the North Sea is fighting it too - with you.

Thanks @Mirtazpine20mg, how poetic - I can see the map now - and the North Sea too.  I understand the sentiment of bleakness; I do fight it too; I find once I get up and read the paper on my phone and have a cup of coffee it dissipates for a bit in the morning.  It's the hours after waking that you write about that are tough.

 

1 hour ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

It is easier to forgive, when I view impoliteness or unkindness or down right bullying as a product of stupidity. It also makes it easier to stand my ground. Instead of anger I feel pity when they do something unreasonable. Now I make it sound easy. It is not. When I try to pull myself out of the AD/psychiatric swamp, as I do now, I routinely blame myself.

Thanks for this advice - I will try thinking of it this way.  I was trying as I put it to Ariel in another post to work on understanding, not forgiveness.  If I could understand why they behave like that it would make things easier for me.  The thing is that sickness and unhappiness is difficult to love but I have seen people who love other people treat them kindly when they are sick - because they love them.  I would love some 'F-you coolness', haha - that is a great way of putting it. 

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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Thinking of you @Oaktree1

Many hugs as you find your way through this difficult time--

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Zoloft: 1995 - 2015

Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on  December 15, 2018

Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019  (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019

Enalapril: 2010 - 2019

Lipitor: 2017 -2017

Metformin: 2000 - 2020

Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019

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9 hours ago, Oaktree1 said:

If I could understand why they behave like that it would make things easier for me.  The thing is that sickness and unhappiness is difficult to love but I have seen people who love other people treat them kindly when they are sick - because they love them.

Dear, Dear Oaktree. I have seen the kindness towards sick people too @Oaktree1. Especially when I went in and out of psych wards. Then I saw people getting visits. I never got visits. I remember being envious. No, not envious, more like how lovely it is to see to good friends talk and walk together and at the same time I felt a sting (<-does it make sense). Here is what I have experienced with my best friend who is not my friend anymore: He was a good friend when I was succesfull, but when I went to a psych ward, he was nowhere to be seen. When he himself stopped his ADs abruptly he was crying on my couch. I went to the pharmacy so he could reinstate, made him dinner, and let him stay 4 days until he was stable. And I did so happily. When I have the opportunity to help other people my life becomes meaningful and I feel like a human. And so do you. And so do a lot of people still, e.g. 99,9% of SA-members. I think my former friend views helping as a cost: As loosing precious time (which is absolutely nonsense, he uses his spare time to watch Zizek videos on YouTube and feel leftish - yes, that is the level). The second last time I spoke to him he said he would come visit in a month, but only if he could combine it with a work related meeting. The last time I spoke with him was three month later when he wanted a comforting word and advice because the police had busted his son with coke in the pockets. Finally I told him to go f... himself. So Oaktree, I think they see helping as a cost, and as I have written before, I think money and power is regulating the most intimate of relations in modern society, even family and friendships. You don't have to exchange money to subconsciously treat intimate relations as transactions. When you resist this commercialization of your social life, when you get depressed over the transactional character of human interaction, they will slap a mental disorder on you and prescribe you ADs until you don't perceive transactional family relations as alienating. I will stand my ground though: It is not pathological to insist on family and friendship where love, altruism, kindness and sacrifice is the foundation. It is deeply pathological to undertake a subconscious cost-benefit analysis of same relations. So when you are not experiencing any kindness when you sick with covid, I think you are watching the impoverished modern consciousness in real time action. I'm experiencing the same thing with brother and my mother and it hurts like hell. But honestly I view them as lost and treat them accordingly, and that means treating them as the lady in the grocery store: With disinterested politeness. 

 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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Dear Oaktree, my heart goes out to you, I’m so very sad for what you’re going through. Journal away though, I say. It’s good to get things out of your head and into written form. It’s heartbreaking when you’re always there for everyone else, but they aren’t there for you when you need them.
 

My parents aren’t alive anymore, but they didn’t care about me either. I’m fortunate to have lots of good friends now though, but because of childhood trauma one never feels good enough. It’s something I’m always working on. 

 

Sending you big hugs, and continue on with your journaling, whether it’s on this site or in private🤗🧡

Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20  ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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9 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

No, not envious, more like how lovely it is to see to good friends talk and walk together and at the same time I felt a sting (<-does it make sense)

Dear @Mirtazapine20mg

 

Yes - that makes sense - it hurts to see others receive love and care when you are left go hungry.  I only got one visit once from my father when I was in a psyche ward and I was let out on weekend release once and they came up to collect me.  I remember the visit vividly because it the only time it ever happened - I was taken on a drive of the coast - I felt very honored.  Neither of my siblings ever visited me.  

9 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

The second last time I spoke to him he said he would come visit in a month, but only if he could combine it with a work related meeting. The last time I spoke with him was three month later when he wanted a comforting word and advice because the police had busted his son with coke in the pockets. Finally I told him to go f... himself.

I am very sorry to hear about this 'friend'.  He sounds like a user.  You behaved decently but there was no reciprocity.  

 

9 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

I think they see helping as a cost, and as I have written before, I think money and power is regulating the most intimate of relations in modern society, even family and friendships. You don't have to exchange money to subconsciously treat intimate relations as transactions.

Yes a therapist after treating me for 4 years told me flatly that my family were 'transactional'.  I looked it up - it says doing something for someone in expectation of a return - I suppose in the sense all relationships are transactional in that as you eventually discovered it is impossible to sustain a relationship with someone who never gives back.  You may as well be in a relationship with a talking rock.  My entire family are like that.  

 

9 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

I think money and power is regulating the most intimate of relations in modern society, even family and friendships. You don't have to exchange money to subconsciously treat intimate relations as transactions

Perhaps this is true...perhaps at least when organised religion was in charge people had a 'duty' to be kind or compassionate to those less fortunate than them under pain of endless suffering in the afterlife so there was in that a kind of transactional bargain too - be good now so that you'll enjoy paradise.  To be honest ever since I was a child though it has been like this so I don't know.  I think people were always like this...the distressed were locked up in lunatic asylums for centuries until the neo liberal governments shut them down because they didn't want to pay for them.  And you write of the people who did come to see their friends and family in the psychiatric hospital.  There are people who post on SA who have loving spouses or good friends. 

 

I just think in many respects we are unlucky.  It is unlucky to be born into a family that is dysfunctional because they are the people you imprint on and if you learn throughout childhood that you are unlovable the world becomes a very harsh and frightening place.  I certainly do think the harshness of life has been exacerbated by materialistic world we live in now where people are encouraged to value appearances and put their own comfort above all else

10 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

I'm experiencing the same thing with brother and my mother and it hurts like hell. But honestly I view them as lost and treat them accordingly, and that means treating them as the lady in the grocery store: With disinterested politeness. 

 

.That is bad to hear but 'good' in the sense that I know  I am not alone.  Doesn't say much for human nature does it but it's the inverse of Gore Vidal's quote that 'every time a friend of mine succeeds part of me dies' or something alone those lines.  There was a 'family' gathering today and that's what I used  -  'disinterested politeness'.  It's amazing how once you give up the expectation of kindness and stand back you can really see people for what they are.  Thank you for sharing your experience - it shines a light on my own and makes it easier to tolerate.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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On 7/1/2022 at 2:04 PM, JanCarol said:

I'm fighting a head cold.  You know the old fashioned kind that knocks out your breath and drains you?  Been isolated for a week (RAT-) - and I've been thinking - 

Hi @JanCarol

 

Thank you again for posting on my page with wishes for recovery and I really hope that your cold begins to lift soon.  I don't know what RAT means ...but being isolated...well I get you on the thinking when one is alone.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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7 hours ago, Carmie said:

Dear Oaktree, my heart goes out to you, I’m so very sad for what you’re going through. Journal away though, I say. It’s good to get things out of your head and into written form. It’s heartbreaking when you’re always there for everyone else, but they aren’t there for you when you need them.
 

My parents aren’t alive anymore, but they didn’t care about me either. I’m fortunate to have lots of good friends now though, but because of childhood trauma one never feels good enough. It’s something I’m always working on. 

 

Sending you big hugs, and continue on with your journaling, whether it’s on this site or in private🤗🧡

Hi @Carmie

 

Thanks so much for your post.  It was very kind of you to reach out.

 

I am delighted that you have lots of good friends and a good sister after not having had the best parents - that is a huge achievement and you sound like a lovely person.  From reading some of your thread I can see that even though you are a people person you are learning to take out out the weeds from your friend circle i.e the people who don't treat you well.  I am dreadfully sorry that you are having problems with your lungs and finding breathing difficult.  I know how distressing and tiring that can be (had pneumonia as a kid and was hospitalised and now have bronchiectasis from it).  My respiratory doc used to give me a double vacuum tube in which to take my medicine.  - that is extremely dispiriting.  It makes me sad that you should suffer like this.  I just read some of your thread there.  

 

Thanks for the comment on journaling - it does make me feel better to post it here rather than Word.  At least someone else is listening rather than just myself.  That gives me a bit of strength then to go on.  I am hoping that your lungs improve

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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I think there is a lot of decent people around Oaktree, and I think there has always been decent people around. I also think that we have just been unlucky. There are really nice people out there. Whenever I read about your relation to your family I get sad and want to hug you, because I really, really know what you a talking about. We don't choose our family. 

 

29 minutes ago, Oaktree1 said:

Perhaps this is true...perhaps at least when organised religion was in charge people had a 'duty' to be kind or compassionate to those less fortunate than them under pain of endless suffering in the afterlife so there was in that a kind of transactional bargain too - be good now so that you'll enjoy paradise.  To be honest ever since I was a child though it has been like this so I don't know.

 

And I think like you that there was a strong transactional element in organized religion and under no circumstances do I want organized religion back (organized religion, what a fine concept btw). Whenever you have some overarching ideology, be it christianity, capitalism or a cult of personality with build in incentives (avoid hell, become rich, be recognized by our almighty leader), some sort of transactionalism will grow from it and rub off on close social relations. But it is looong, complicated discussion much better done face-to-face over Irish whisky someday. 

 

How is the covid symptoms treating you? Is the vertigo any better? I don't dare to think how I would react to covid in WD. And how the heck did find strength to participate in anything family related now? That impresses me. I couldn't do it - I know that. Take care Oaktree. 

 

 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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This evening Oaktree, we have just had our first mass shooting episode in Denmark. Apparently some random man in hunting gear went into the biggest shopping malls in Copenhagen and killed random people. When they catch him, they take a blood test and test for illegal substances. If they check for prescribed substances no one will take notice. Why am I writing this to you? Because you such an astute observer of your current Ireland. Ops, just thought of your observations about IMF entrance into your economy. I really liked that, so few people have an eye for the macro stuff that shapes peoples life. 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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I my gosh.  I bet they will not look for physic meds and if they do the will say he had mental illness.

  I read success story by SelsdonMan

 

After 2 years on Citalopram I started to have some suicidal thoughts, but far more homicidal thoughts. I wanted to kill people. I had thoughts of driving head on into traffic, pushing people under trains, killing my partner, my dogs and burning the house down. I had never had these kinds of thoughts or ideas before, and was convinced they were a side-effect of the anti-depressant Citalopram which i was taking.

 
I told my doctor about my suicidal/ homicidal thoughts and he was told me to double my dose of citalopram!
 
My life is much better without Citalopram, and I have had NO suicidal or homicidal urges or thoughts since I gave up the SSRI drug.
 
What's wrong with this doctor for not looking at the danger signs and connecting the dots.
 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/

1995? Prozac,  tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz

 Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015  Kindled   Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify  Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016  ended back on   Prozac and Lamictal 200mg

5/2020  thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg  Prozac  down to 3mg.  Crashed  12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct  1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct  2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg.  Became hypo manic 2/1  6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25  25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg.  2/24  100mg   4/9  75mg   4/21 37.5 

2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr  3/3 100mg  3/17  150mg  side effects ct   4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg  4/14  7.5mg  4/30 10mg  5/10  7.5mg 

2021/ 5/16  5mg Lexapro   37.5 Lamictal   25mg trazadone,   xanax  .0625mg  3x a day   

Lexapro  Taper> Sept/01/2021  4.90mg>  Sept/25  4.75mg>   Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg    Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid  4.2mg  (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg>  2/24  3.8mg  slow taper to  Aug/12/2022 2.04mg  2023> 2mg,  1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg

Lamictal  taper  4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22-   0

 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg  July 2023   0

Xanax  0.0625 3 x a day,  2023>  0.042 3x a day

Supplements  Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC 

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10 minutes ago, Greatful said:

What's wrong with this doctor for not looking at the danger signs and connecting the dots.

I have absolutely no idea Grateful. That is not true, I have one idea: Doctors don't like concept of them creating mass murderers with the ADs they prescribe. But they really have deep moral obligation to cut the crap, pardon my French.

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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4 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

How is the covid symptoms treating you? Is the vertigo any better? I don't dare to think how I would react to covid in WD. And how the heck did find strength to participate in anything family related now? That impresses me. I couldn't do it - I know that. Take care Oaktree. 

Afraid vertigo is still there but not as bad in that I can now sit and walk but not bend my head or body in any way thanks for asking.  As regards the participation well it's like this - the two siblings arrived at various points - one to collect their dog and the other to drop off their dog.  They barely speak to each other as it is.  One of the siblings had made efforts, largely for the sake of their respective offspring I think, with the other sibling but that sibling was not interested.  I do the 'polite' thing with one sibling and do the chit chat (although I am annoyed that I wasn't told that their dog would be coming here for 2 weeks while they go on a foreign holiday because i end up doing a lot of the minding and I am buzy enough with other stuff never mind still being sick and it's just basic respect to tell someone).   I decided not to say anything about it today though - I will later in a few weeks time. 

 

Then before the other one (who is very abusive) arrived I pleaded vertigo and absented myself.  If I could drive I would have left the house but I can't drive now so at least the vertigo has a silver excuse lining.  As the Sun Tzu said in 'The Art of War' via Gordon Gekko in 'Wall Street' "if your enemy is greater than you evade them".  This person is a bully and an enemy frankly and I am not strong enough for them so I simply stay out of their way and don't have contact.  I am Jerry and the sibling is Tom - I am not cute and sweet like Jerry but I do know how to hide.

 

But you are already participating in social occasions and I think you still have some contact with your family so I think you are doing it at some level...

 

Thanks for commiserating with me on our respective families of origin...it's basically not good.

 

Am concerned tonight about Ariel who has remained silent and that she is ok - that's the limit of a discussion board I suppose.

 

Oaktree  

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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3 hours ago, Greatful said:

my gosh.  I bet they will not look for physic meds and if they do the will say he had mental illness.

  I read success story by SelsdonMan

 

After 2 years on Citalopram I started to have some suicidal thoughts, but far more homicidal thoughts. I wanted to kill people. I had thoughts of driving head on into traffic, pushing people under trains, killing my partner, my dogs and burning the house down. I had never had these kinds of thoughts or ideas before, and was convinced they were a side-effect of the anti-depressant Citalopram which i was taking.

 
I told my doctor about my suicidal/ homicidal thoughts and he was told me to double my dose of citalopram!
 

 

@Greatful

 

I send you this link re your homicidal thoughts while on Citalopram.  This very brave woman Leonie Fennell lost her son Shane through the same drug.   Her son was depressed at the loss of a recent relationship.  He was put on the drug by his GP.  Three weeks after having been put on it he killed himself, his erstwhile best friend and stabbed his ex girlfriend.  There was an inquest and an open verdict was recorded after evidence was given by Dr David Healy on the link between Citalopram and violent behaviour. 

 

After the inquest the psychiatrist that had treated me coercively back in the 1990's showed up on the steps of the courthouse.  She was a paid spokesperson for the manufacturers of the drug Lundbeck.  The media were assembled.   She had the neck to ask to speak as an 'amicus curiae' (a friend of the court) but basically it appears that she wanted to give evidence denying that the drug caused violent behaviour.   The coroner declined her request so she gave an interview after the inquest to the media that were standing around outside the courthouse.   She was a powerful academic psychiatrist that was much in the media.  Her views were often quoted.  She was like a female Allen Frances for this little kip.   

 

She had never met the dead man or treated him but she told the assembled media that it was 'his mental illness' that had caused his homicidal acts not the drug.   She said this to the media having first gone over to Leonie Fennell his mother and shaken her hand.  Ms Fennell was naturally disgusted so her dead son became a cause to her and she stood up to this psychiatrist fiercely and the College of Psychiatrists for years and attempted for years to publicise the link between SSRI's and violent behaviour.  She has asserted for years that her son's behaviour was completely out of character for him.  I attach her bio below.   

 

I don't think unfortunately that she made any impact in this country sadly as it's too wedded to the pharma narrative and there is the unfortunate fact that he killed another person and seriously injured another.  People I would imagine would tend to think 'well she is going to say that she is his mother and mothers defend their children regardless'. Perhaps if he had just killed himself she might have made more impact but it is doubtful.  People don't question the mainstream narrative.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/anti-depressants-to-blame-for-death-mother-says-1.652622

 

https://about.me/leonie.fenne

 

That case was a very personal one for me because I have personal experience with the psychiatrist concerned - i.e. the paid spokesperson for Lundbeck Citalopram, one of the most powerful psychiatrists in this benighted country.  My experience under her care was a watershed in abuse of power for me.  That is why I am so obsessed with this particular case. 

 

She used her power as an academic and media psychiatrist to show up uninvited on the stops of a courthouse and make a determination on the character of a dead man she had never met on the basis of her expertise.   This was the same woman who told me that I would have another psychotic episode after I had one in my twenties after being kept on the highest outpatient dose of Dothiepin for over a year.  I asked her when I would have it and she said 'well it could be in one year of it could be in 10 years but you will definitely have one' - that was over 26 years ago - haven't had one yet....her dogmatic determination left me live in fear for years thought that I would have one...the power these people have...and it was so obvious she thrived on it....a bad, bad person, as bad as could be and convinced of her own righteousness.   

 

Karma has a strange way of paying people back though or yet it might be absurd luck.  She lost her own adopted son in the past few years to cancer.  She now presumably knows a little of Leonie Fennell's pain.  I have no pity for her - I hope she is suffering.  She deserves to.

 

Last year we had another awful case - a nurse in her 40's who was on two different anti depressants at the same time when she killed her three children.  This psychiatrist was again on the airwaves - this woman was put in the Central Mental Hospital as not guilty by virtue of insanty.  She is now on Olanzapine.  She was quoted as saying that if she had been put on Olanzapine she would not have killed her children - well too late now.  Needless to say no one in this kip has made any link between the killings and the drugs she was on.

 

So Greatful I have no difficulty whatsoever believing your thoughts while you were on Citalopram. I went through a similar experience while on Paxil - absolutely terrifying.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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5 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

This evening Oaktree, we have just had our first mass shooting episode in Denmark. Apparently some random man in hunting gear went into the biggest shopping malls in Copenhagen and killed random people. When they catch him, they take a blood test and test for illegal substances. If they check for prescribed substances no one will take notice. Why am I writing this to you? Because you such an astute observer of your current Ireland. Ops, just thought of your observations about IMF entrance into your economy. I really liked that, so few people have an eye for the macro stuff that shapes peoples life. 

Thanks @Mirtazapine20mg

 

I just read about it - I wonder what will be in his blood stream....We haven't yet really had a mass shooting here yet but there's loads of guns around the place so it's only a matter of time.  Oh the IMF I don't know if you've ever read of the Power Thread Meaning Framework.  It's an academic alternative explanation for mental illness or 'emotional distress' based on imbalance of power by Dr Lucy Johnstone and Prof Mary Boyle.  The basic thesis is that people with little power become what is known as 'mentally ill'.  The lack of power comes from poverty or lack of financial independence, sexism, racism, being a minority - there is quite a bit in it and it's a heavy tome bit it makes a lot of sense. 

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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The reddit-crowd have already found the alleged perpetrators YouTube channel (confirmed by the police). Under each video the alleged perpetrator, with videos of himself and his guns pointing to his head, wrote: "Quetiapine doesn't work". I am interested to see, if this will be a cause for drug critical debate in Denmark. Quetiapine (Seroquel) has a black box warning: "Increased risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in children, adolescents and young adults taking antidepressants for major depressive disorder and other psychiatric disorders." The young man was 22.

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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On 7/3/2022 at 1:00 AM, Oaktree1 said:

Chlorpromazine maleate

OK, this is Thorazine/Largactil, an antipsychotic. Or, if it is  Stetmetil, it is Prochlorperazine dimaleate, same class of phenothiazines. I'm glad you mentioned the specifics.  They gave Largactil to my husband for 3 days of solid hiccupping (he swore at me, "don't you EVER give me that AGAIN!" because it took such a high dose to break through his symptoms!).  It does have other purposes, but it is a psych drug, and should be treated accordingly.  Basically, they put you back on an antique version of Seroquel (but likely at lower doses).

 

When it is time to come off, please taper, according to how long you've been on (longer than 3 weeks = adjusted neurotransmitters = slower taper)

 

I can't begin to comprehend what you are going through - my Mom was put on a tilt table for her vertigo, to try and balance her inner ear fluid (didn't work).  They gave my husband some kind of antihistamine for his (it kinda worked) after he had his stroke.  When I look on Drugs.com, they do not list this drug for vertigo - but it looks like most of them don't get good results.

https://www.drugs.com/condition/vertigo.html

 

I am glad it is helping you - please list it in your signature (with dose information), as it could be a confounding factor in your Mirtazapine taper. 

 

Shep kindly told me:

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There's a moderate drug interaction between the AP and AD but hopefully the mirtazapine dose is now low enough there won't be a problem. 


There are a number of us who got put on psych drugs for reasons other than psych stuff, and this is one of those cases.  I've been waiting to hear from people who got put on Fluvoxamine for their COVID (I'm sure it's happening), supposedly helps with inflammation, especially of the brain.  And you know how that goes - if it's longer than 3 weeks (sometimes just a few doses) - neurotransmitters adjust, and it means tapering.

 

I've learned to ask all kinds of questions when I complain to doctors.  Their protocols and mine are much different these days.   (NO I will not take Cymbalta and Lyrica for pain, thank you very much!)

 

Sorry to add to your burdens, just want to make sure you have a heads up as to what you're being prescribed.

 

And oh yeah a RAT = Rapid Antigen Test.  I wrote (RAT-) as shorthand  for negative.  We use RAT so often here in Australia that it's common terminology here.  No, this head cold is not COVID of any variety.  (thankful!)

 

Take care, please feel better soon, and find little pleasures where you can.

 

I hope you see the sun today!

"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


The tedious thread (my intro):  JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium

The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

My own blog:  https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/

 

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!

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Hi Oaktree,

I am sorry you have been so afflicted with covid. Those symptoms sound awful. 

May you continue to recover. You know your body best, you are doing well to rest and give yourself (to) tenderness.

I'm sorry for the external stress of toxic family dynamics. My heart goes out to you. 

I appreciate your care and concern (and pattern recognition prowess). I feel touched by your attentiveness. 

Holding space for your experience, sending love and healing vibes, 
A.

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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12 hours ago, Oaktree1 said:

Hi @Carmie

 

Thanks so much for your post.  It was very kind of you to reach out.

 

I am delighted that you have lots of good friends and a good sister after not having had the best parents - that is a huge achievement and you sound like a lovely person.  From reading some of your thread I can see that even though you are a people person you are learning to take out out the weeds from your friend circle i.e the people who don't treat you well.  I am dreadfully sorry that you are having problems with your lungs and finding breathing difficult.  I know how distressing and tiring that can be (had pneumonia as a kid and was hospitalised and now have bronchiectasis from it).  My respiratory doc used to give me a double vacuum tube in which to take my medicine.  - that is extremely dispiriting.  It makes me sad that you should suffer like this.  I just read some of your thread there.  

 

Thanks for the comment on journaling - it does make me feel better to post it here rather than Word.  At least someone else is listening rather than just myself.  That gives me a bit of strength then to go on.  I am hoping that your lungs improve

 

Oaktree


I like your illustration of the weeds Oaktree, yes we need to keep weeding out those toxic people. I’ve spent too much time in the past placating people who didn’t have my best interests at heart. I’ve got good boundaries now. As regards boundaries though, there’s a middle ground I find. You don’t want to have such rigid boundaries that you don’t let new people anywhere near you, but at the same time as soon as I start seeing red flags I back off. In the last couple of years I’ve learnt so much about gaslighting, projection, cognitive dissonance, triangulation, love bombing etc etc. Knowledge is indeed power. 
 

I’m so sorry you have respiratory issues as well, they can be so overwhelming. My immune system actually attacks my lungs now and anything that stimulates my immune system puts me into a flare of struggling to breathe. This flare has lasted nine months so far.
 

I’m really sorry you have vertigo too, I’m dizzy 24/7 but I’ve only ever had vertigo once and I truly am sorry that you are going through this. I remember not even being able to stand and the whole room was spinning, I was vomiting and I had to stay still. That must be just so awful for you, I hope it subsides soon. 
 

Sending hugs your way🤗

Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20  ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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Hey oaktree,  I should clarify that the story about the Citalopram was  from  SelsdonMan.  I read about it in his success story.   

 It really is a shame that this is not taken seriously.  There is documentation that these drugs can cause this, but somehow it doesn't seem to make a difference.  I really hope that this will all blow up in their faces just like the opioids and benzos.  I wish there was a way to open the eyes of the public faster.  That's what it will take, enough people pushing back, standing firm, speaking out and forcing the government and the doctors to hear them.  

 

I hope you are feeling better.♥️

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/

1995? Prozac,  tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz

 Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015  Kindled   Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify  Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016  ended back on   Prozac and Lamictal 200mg

5/2020  thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg  Prozac  down to 3mg.  Crashed  12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct  1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct  2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg.  Became hypo manic 2/1  6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25  25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg.  2/24  100mg   4/9  75mg   4/21 37.5 

2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr  3/3 100mg  3/17  150mg  side effects ct   4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg  4/14  7.5mg  4/30 10mg  5/10  7.5mg 

2021/ 5/16  5mg Lexapro   37.5 Lamictal   25mg trazadone,   xanax  .0625mg  3x a day   

Lexapro  Taper> Sept/01/2021  4.90mg>  Sept/25  4.75mg>   Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg    Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid  4.2mg  (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg>  2/24  3.8mg  slow taper to  Aug/12/2022 2.04mg  2023> 2mg,  1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg

Lamictal  taper  4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22-   0

 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg  July 2023   0

Xanax  0.0625 3 x a day,  2023>  0.042 3x a day

Supplements  Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC 

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Thinking of you, dear Oaktree. 

Sending wishes of peace and healing <3

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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Hi @Oaktree1, it makes me happy, when I see your name in the activity stream. You know, just seeing there is still a spark :-). Good day and good evening :-). 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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On 7/4/2022 at 6:44 AM, JanCarol said:

OK, this is Thorazine/Largactil, an antipsychotic. Or, if it is  Stetmetil, it is Prochlorperazine dimaleate, same class of phenothiazines. I'm glad you mentioned the specifics.  They gave Largactil to my husband for 3 days of solid hiccupping (he swore at me, "don't you EVER give me that AGAIN!" because it took such a high dose to break through his symptoms!).  It does have other purposes, but it is a psych drug, and should be treated accordingly.  Basically, they put you back on an antique version of Seroquel (but likely at lower doses).

Thanks @JanCarol

 

This post was very helpful - I am only really just up to posting now and won't post too much; have had the vertigo treatment that your mother was subjected to - not pleasant.  Thanks very much for this helpful advice - would not have known otherwise  - I actually felt a bit strange about it and stopped taking it last week would you believe so only on it a week.  Good to have someone in my corner for a bit of good advice about it.   Sometimes you have to be assertive as you seem to be with doctors - that doesn't seem to work for me as I am dependent on the system for money so have to swallow the kook aid without swallowing it I just take the easy route i.e. lying - oh yes I'm taking the pills etc etc.

 

Have been having problems with my mobile with this site and it's not taking likes or uploading posts and i've mainly been on that and not my laptop until now hence delay.

 

Great to hear that your classes swelling in size.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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22 hours ago, Mirtazapine20mg said:

Hi @Oaktree1, it makes me happy, when I see your name in the activity stream. You know, just seeing there is still a spark :-). Good day and good evening :-). 

Thanks @Mirtazapine20mg

for your reply - I won't be on boards much now as I am still very shaky - this virus is not great TBH.  Hope things continue to improve for you.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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So sorry you’re still struggling with the effects from the virus and vertigo @Oaktree1

 

Rest up and I hope you get well soon🧡

Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20  ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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On 7/4/2022 at 6:55 AM, Ariel said:

Hi Oaktree,

I am sorry you have been so afflicted with covid. Those symptoms sound awful. 

May you continue to recover. You know your body best, you are doing well to rest and give yourself (to) tenderness.

I'm sorry for the external stress of toxic family dynamics. My heart goes out to you. 

I appreciate your care and concern (and pattern recognition prowess). I feel touched by your attentiveness. 

Holding space for your experience, sending love and healing vibes, 
A.

Thanks @Ariel

 

Was glad to hear you were back in the land of the living so to speak last week.  Hopefully recovery will continue over the next while.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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1 minute ago, Oaktree1 said:

I won't be on boards much now as I am still very shaky

That was also my feeling. Just glad there is enough energy in you for like. Rest and take care. 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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On 7/4/2022 at 7:02 AM, Carmie said:


I like your illustration of the weeds Oaktree, yes we need to keep weeding out those toxic people. I’ve spent too much time in the past placating people who didn’t have my best interests at heart. I’ve got good boundaries now. As regards boundaries though, there’s a middle ground I find. You don’t want to have such rigid boundaries that you don’t let new people anywhere near you, but at the same time as soon as I start seeing red flags I back off. In the last couple of years I’ve learnt so much about gaslighting, projection, cognitive dissonance, triangulation, love bombing etc etc. Knowledge is indeed power. 
 

I’m so sorry you have respiratory issues as well, they can be so overwhelming. My immune system actually attacks my lungs now and anything that stimulates my immune system puts me into a flare of struggling to breathe. This flare has lasted nine months so far.
 

I’m really sorry you have vertigo too, I’m dizzy 24/7 but I’ve only ever had vertigo once and I truly am sorry that you are going through this. I remember not even being able to stand and the whole room was spinning, I was vomiting and I had to stay still. That must be just so awful for you, I hope it subsides soon. 
 

Sending hugs your way🤗

Hi @Carmie

 

Thanks very much for your kind words - thankfully my lung issues improved particularly since I gave up smoking a few years ago (yes very stupid but I loved cigarettes)  - I used the Butykeko method which helped and luckily I live in an unpolluted area at the moment though will be moving soon.  If I go into a city though I know about it.  I also found dry air good - like saunas and that - don't know if you have tried that. 

 

Yes like yourself I have been trying to educate myself these last few years on boundaries - other peoples and my own - hard lessons but necessary unfortunately.  I am glad you are in a good place with supportive people around you now.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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On 7/4/2022 at 4:27 PM, Greatful said:

Hey oaktree,  I should clarify that the story about the Citalopram was  from  SelsdonMan.  I read about it in his success story.   

 It really is a shame that this is not taken seriously.  There is documentation that these drugs can cause this, but somehow it doesn't seem to make a difference.  I really hope that this will all blow up in their faces just like the opioids and benzos.  I wish there was a way to open the eyes of the public faster.  That's what it will take, enough people pushing back, standing firm, speaking out and forcing the government and the doctors to hear them.  

 

I hope you are feeling better.♥️

 

Hi @Greatful

 

Thanks for the clarification on that story - my head was not great when I was typing that post - I must read SelsdonMan's story some time.  Yeh would be good if the whole pharma narrative (on psyche drugs anyway) blew up really ...I hope you experience some peace soon with the WD...you deserve it...maybe a bit of yard work again if you feel up to it...physical activity outside can help.

 

Oaktree

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg from June 2018-Feb 2019 and Seroquel 150mg to zero from Oct-December 2020.

Supplements for Hashimoto's disease and histamine issues relating to Mirtazapine:   Vitamin D3 1,000mcg, bio-identical HRT, Selenium, Quercetin, Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3.

Mirtazapine Taper: 2021 16th Aug -  transitioned to liquid from tablet by dissolving two 15mg tablets into a solution of 15 ml water and 15 ml maple syrup on a starting dose of what I thought was 7.5ml; 17 Sept  - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51;

2022 - 1 Jan 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55; 8 June 5.50;  (got COVID on 12th June so held); 1 July 5.4; 15 July 5.32; 8 Aug 5.2; 15 Aug 5.1; 22 Aug 5; 19 Sept 4.9; 2 Oct 4.81; 13 Oct 4.71; (COVID Booster 17/10/22 so longer hold ); 1 Nov 4.65; 3 Nov 4.60; 10 Nov 4.55; 13 Nov 4.50; 17 Nov 4.45; 20 Nov 4.40;  2 Dec 4.30mg; 9 Dec 4.20mg; I discovered that the volumetric container measured 33ml rather than 30ml in Dec 2022. Following helpful advice from moderator OnMyWay (see her  reply of the 5th March) discovered taper with the dilution was 3.8mg (calculated by dividing 30/33 so that every 1ml of solution has  0.90ml of Mirtazapine.  7.50 - 0.90= 6.6ml which was the starting dose on 16th Aug 2021 not 7.5ml).  I decided to keep using the solution as I didn't want more change to deal with than I had to.

2023 17 Mar 4.1(3.7); 26 Mar 4.0(3.6); 14 Apr 3.9(3.51)28 Apr 3.8(3.42); 6 Jun 3.7(3.33); 19 Jun 3.6(3.24); 30 Jun 3.5(3.1); 19 Jul 3.4(3.06); 27 Jul 3.35 (3.01); 29 Jul 3.3 (2.97); 4 Aug 3.25 (2.92); 7 Aug 3.2 (2.88); 21 Aug 3.1 (2.79); 14.09 3 (2.7); 29th Sept 2.9(2.61); 15 Oct 2.8(2.52); 30 Oct 10 2.7(2.43); 13 Nov 2.65(2.38); 20 Nov 2.6(2.34); 26 Nov 2.55(2.29); 10 Dec 2.5(2.25); 

2024 - 14 Jan 2.45(2.20); 22 Jan 2.40(2.16); 29 Jan 2.35(2.11); 2 Feb 2.3 (2.07);15 Feb 2.25(2.02); 22 Feb 2.21 (1.98); 29 Feb 2.17(1.95); 7 Mar 2.13(1.91); 21 Mar 2.05 (1.84);

 

This is not 'medical advice' - my 'non medical advice' is don't get any more 'medical advice' or you may end up getting more 'medical treatment' i.e more drugs, DSM labels and/or ECT.   Please do not PM me thanks.

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Hey Oaktree - 

16 minutes ago, Oaktree1 said:

I actually felt a bit strange about it and stopped taking it last week would you believe so only on it a week. 

Whew!  I am so relieved.  

It seems like the purpose of doctors is prescription pads, sometimes, and they will throw anything at complaints until something sticks.

 

It means I choose very carefully what I complain about.  Doctors raise their eyebrows when I state, "My mood is none of your business, it is mine to deal with."

I'm glad to see you among the upright, anyway, and hope you continue to approve.

 

And (you know it) I hope you see the sun today.

"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


The tedious thread (my intro):  JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium

The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

My own blog:  https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/

 

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!

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On 7/8/2022 at 11:02 PM, Oaktree1 said:

Hi @Carmie

 

Thanks very much for your kind words - thankfully my lung issues improved particularly since I gave up smoking a few years ago (yes very stupid but I loved cigarettes)  - I used the Butykeko method which helped and luckily I live in an unpolluted area at the moment though will be moving soon.  If I go into a city though I know about it.  I also found dry air good - like saunas and that - don't know if you have tried that. 

 

Yes like yourself I have been trying to educate myself these last few years on boundaries - other peoples and my own - hard lessons but necessary unfortunately.  I am glad you are in a good place with supportive people around you now.

 

Oaktree

Hi Oaktree, 

 

It’s after midnight and I haven’t been able to sleep so I thought I’d pop around briefly. I just read your intro, I’m sorry for all you’ve gone through. How is your chronic pain now? 
 

How are you now feeling today from the effects of Covid? Are you a little better each day, or have you not had any change? It really affects different people differently, I’m sorry you had it so bad. Two of my friends and my sister barely had a symptom at all and yet others have it so severe. 
 

Good on you for setting boundaries with people, I’m glad I have them now too. I better try and get some sleep, it’s nearly 12.30am, my brain doesn’t want to switch off. 
 

Good night from Australia 😴🧡

Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20  ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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Thanks for popping around to my neck of the woods @Oaktree1

 

Hope you have a happy day☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️

Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20  ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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