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On 9/12/2021 at 10:30 PM, Greatful said:

@Kat66  The walk helped a little, it lifted the depression to a more manageable state.  

I got to restless and decided I  needed to go for a drive.  Hubby and I went to one daughter house for a little while then went for a long drive to some old hang out spots.  Ran the dog back home and then ran back out to a restaurant for a quick bit to eat.  Now I am tired and my brain is scrabbled, but ohh so glad to pass the afternoon and make it through another day.   I sure hope I don't pay for it tomorrow from the Mexican food I ate.  I am so tired of worrying about what I eat or what I do, if it will make things worse.🤢 

How about you?? How did your day go?

Tomorrow will be a good day, Right!

@GreatfulWhen you have the energy to do stuff or are feeling restless it doesn't take much to completely wipe you out physically and mentally does it? I'm glad the walk helped. I know what you mean about being tired of monitoring what we do/eat. I'm feeling ever so slightly better today, my anxiety has subsided and I am thinking slightly more clearly. That said, I'm still veeeeery wary of doing anything which may jeopardise that state. I can't imagine just letting go and being fully engaged with life. I'm just waiting for it to all come crashing down as it inevitably does!

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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Hi Kat,    it is really up to you what you do with the information and advice that we give. The consequences of your actions are going to be suffered by you and only you. We can say we are s

Thanks @Onmyway, I have now gone three nights without alcohol and gone up to 2mg citalopram. I’m not craving a drink which is what I was really worried about. I’m also taking more magnesium glycinate

I completely understand @Altostrata I will do better. It’s a tough habit to break but I can do it. I never thought WD would get this tough but it’s becoming clear to me now that this process is not to

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3 hours ago, Kat66 said:

@GreatfulWhen you have the energy to do stuff or are feeling restless it doesn't take much to completely wipe you out physically and mentally does it?

I know this is true for me.  

 

3 hours ago, Kat66 said:

I'm feeling ever so slightly better today, my anxiety has subsided and I am thinking slightly more clearly. That said, I'm still veeeeery wary of doing anything which may jeopardise that state.

I'm glad you are feeling a bit better today.  🙂  I know what you mean about being wary, I'm the same way.  

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@Kat66  Hi how are you doing?

I know that you have a lot of anxiety so I thought I would pass this on.  

I looked up foods that are higher in histamine and found that I am eating a fair amount of food that can increase your anxiety through the histamine.  avocado, milk, cheese, yogurt, spinach, beans, can foods, peanut butter, anyway look it up maybe it will help.

 

I thought of you this morning,  I woke up in the blah, not interested in doing anything, talking anyone, mild anger. I though what if I am getting anhedonia like kat66.  I decided I am going to go with not pushing myself and let me be blah and lazy.  The many stages we go through when on this journey.

 

Talk soon

Hang in there

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/

1995? Prozac,  tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz

 Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015  Kindled   Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify  Pristiq, Wellbutrin 2016  ended back on 2016  Prozac and Lamictal 200mg

5/2020  through 12/2020 taper from 20mg  Prozac  down to 3mg.  Crashed  12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct  1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct  Trazadone 50mg 4/25  25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg.  2/24  100mg   4/9  75mg   4/21 37.5  2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg.  Became hypo manic 2/16 ct

2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr  3/3 100mg  3/17  150mg  side effects ct   4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg  4/14  7.5mg  4/30 10mg  5/10  7.5mg   5/16  5mg

 5mg Lexapro   37.5 Lamictal   25mg trazadone,   xanax  .0625mg  3x a day   Magnesium glycinate 200mg. Omega 3 , Melatonin L Theanine 

Lexapro 2021/01/09 4.90mg  05/09  4.75mg

 

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47 minutes ago, Greatful said:

@Kat66  Hi how are you doing?

I know that you have a lot of anxiety so I thought I would pass this on.  

I looked up foods that are higher in histamine and found that I am eating a fair amount of food that can increase your anxiety through the histamine.  avocado, milk, cheese, yogurt, spinach, beans, can foods, peanut butter, anyway look it up maybe it will help.

 

I thought of you this morning,  I woke up in the blah, not interested in doing anything, talking anyone, mild anger. I though what if I am getting anhedonia like kat66.  I decided I am going to go with not pushing myself and let me be blah and lazy.  The many stages we go through when on this journey.

 

Talk soon

Hang in there

@Greatful Oh you know, another day, another symptom. Yesterday I was super irritable, today the same, at the same time super restless and launched into some manic decluttering, God only knows why. Thanks for the info about histamine, I had no idea histamine had an effect on anxiety, I will look that up. I'm sorry you felt blah and unmotivated today, is that not something you get often? It's horrible isn't it?!! 'Blah' seems to be my default state at the moment, when it's not 'the whole world can f**k off and leave me the hell alone'. 

 

Thanks for checking in! xx

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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@Kat66  Hi there,  How are you doing today?  I have been feeling a little window.  At least the depression is wayyyy down.  I am in and out of D/R not super bad but just enough to be noticed.  I went for a walk and felt so disconnected from the everything around me.  I was thinking I see everything but I just don't feel apart of it.  When I concentrated feeling my feet on the ground then I felt  a little connection.  Like oh yeah I am apart of the everything around me.  I am learning to not panic and force the connection.  It only makes me more anxious.

 

I also wanted to update you with using Lemon Balm  I found this comment on the systems            & self-care lemon balm thread.  There wasn't much there so I would research it more. I am not sure if the tea has the same affect.  Let me know if you investigate it more and what you find out.

 

"I have used it in the past for insomnia, and found that it did work.  Bottle called for 30 drops, but can use less.  I do not use it anymore because it binds to GABA receptors and I'm a Benzo survivor.  Also, constant use can lead to WD as it is like a very very mild Benzo.  Use with caution is my advice."  

 

Here is the link.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/14500-lemon-balm/

 

On 9/17/2021 at 12:36 PM, Kat66 said:

Yesterday I was super irritable, today the same, at the same time super restless and launched into some manic decluttering, 

 

 Remind yourself that the emotions you are having are really morphed from WD.  Be kind to yourself.....

 

Have a great day❤️

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/

1995? Prozac,  tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz

 Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015  Kindled   Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify  Pristiq, Wellbutrin 2016  ended back on 2016  Prozac and Lamictal 200mg

5/2020  through 12/2020 taper from 20mg  Prozac  down to 3mg.  Crashed  12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct  1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct  Trazadone 50mg 4/25  25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg.  2/24  100mg   4/9  75mg   4/21 37.5  2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg.  Became hypo manic 2/16 ct

2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr  3/3 100mg  3/17  150mg  side effects ct   4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg  4/14  7.5mg  4/30 10mg  5/10  7.5mg   5/16  5mg

 5mg Lexapro   37.5 Lamictal   25mg trazadone,   xanax  .0625mg  3x a day   Magnesium glycinate 200mg. Omega 3 , Melatonin L Theanine 

Lexapro 2021/01/09 4.90mg  05/09  4.75mg

 

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1 hour ago, Greatful said:

@Kat66  Hi there,  How are you doing today?  I have been feeling a little window.  At least the depression is wayyyy down.  I am in and out of D/R not super bad but just enough to be noticed.  I went for a walk and felt so disconnected from the everything around me.  I was thinking I see everything but I just don't feel apart of it.  When I concentrated feeling my feet on the ground then I felt  a little connection.  Like oh yeah I am apart of the everything around me.  I am learning to not panic and force the connection.  It only makes me more anxious.

 

I also wanted to update you with using Lemon Balm  I found this comment on the systems            & self-care lemon balm thread.  There wasn't much there so I would research it more. I am not sure if the tea has the same affect.  Let me know if you investigate it more and what you find out.

 

"I have used it in the past for insomnia, and found that it did work.  Bottle called for 30 drops, but can use less.  I do not use it anymore because it binds to GABA receptors and I'm a Benzo survivor.  Also, constant use can lead to WD as it is like a very very mild Benzo.  Use with caution is my advice."  

 

Here is the link.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/14500-lemon-balm/

 

 

 Remind yourself that the emotions you are having are really morphed from WD.  Be kind to yourself.....

 

Have a great day❤️

Hi @Greatful - it's weird, I was feeling very disconnected from everything yesterday too. I too went for a walk just to try to feel 'part of the world' - it sort of worked but I still felt like a 'freak' and everyone could see what a freak I was. I'm really glad you're having a little window - it's really scary how you can feel one thing one hour, and totally different the next. Today I feel quite close to normal, even feeling relatively connected to other people, including my husband, from whom I've been feeling very disconnected. You're right, it's hard not to force the connection but these moments of normality feel so fragile - the next day they can be gone. I've tried grounding my feet too, it can be really effective.

 

Thanks for the lemon balm info - I had no idea it acted like a mild benzo - I find that kind of worrying I guess. I only have the odd cup, maybe two/three times a week and it does seem to relax me but again it could be a placebo effect. 

 

Isn't it a relief when the depression/anxiety/whatever it is abates for a while!! I hope it lasts a good while for you. And yes, good old neuroemotions. Don't we love em. xx

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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