Ryzaaa: I suffered IBS for a week or more

[Ryzaaa]

Hello there i need help. this is about IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) and i don't know if i have it because i'm not yet consult to GI right now due to covid-19, i haven't been diagnosed with proper health assessment or else, so this might possible becomes other disease, but i've precise  symptoms which is so fits with the IBS. 

 

Right now, i'm having problem with my digestive system,it hall hapepened because i went to mental hospital and i was prescribed with Antipsychotic and Anticonvulsant.

 

 

My history :

I took Abilify (aripriprazole), Depakote ER, and Clozapine. i was hospitalized there and never been on psychiatrist drugs before. 

 

I have very bad reaction to this drugs so i stopped CT, i'm on the drugs for about 28 days, been off for more than a month now. They forced me to drink all the drugs. 

 

the moment i start to use the drugs (since the first day) i got terrible  diarrhoea and they gave me medications. i'm losing appetite, i can't even eat a table spoon of dishes & loose more than half stones, 10kg with pacing and severe restless leg, everytime i try to eat it's always causing me vomits. 

 

on the next 2nd week i got constipation and other symptoms such as restless, pacing, and losing appetite it didn't go away. they gave me proper menus for such digestive disease and i start to getting better, but i still have trouble with foods. 

 

I was on mental hospital for 14 days, after that i went home and consumed all my prescribed  drugs for next 14 days like they've told me, but i stopped all meds CT after that. On the First 2 days after i stopped i start to having nausea, vomits, and i went to ER. From there  i was hospitalized for 5 days, and they gave me anti-nausea drugs, CT scan result shows nothing wrong with me. 

 

 

after that i'm feeling better later after about 2-3 weeks. 

 

weird thing is i don't have anxiety before, after consuming those drugs i have terrible anxieties and soon i realized that i have GERD too ( it must be really really fun)  followed by bloating and unable to eat.

 

i was on good conditions about 1-2 weeks ago, but 2 days ago i accidentally ate onion and garlic contained foods,  i had constipation and my stomach becomes growling every day, it's not like the usual. i started to realize "Holly cow it's different", i'm never ever go through this before. after about 2-3 days it still didn't go away, until now. 

 

sometimes it worsening sometimes not. sometimes i got diarrhoea and sometimes constipates too, what concerned me the most is that i have a high risks diseases, but i start to google my symptoms and discuss it then i found the answer it was probably due to IBS, 100% sure. 

 

 

i'm scared that if i have developed this from the drugs and i heard that lots of people dealing with this for their entire life, and i don't know what i'm supposed to do. 

 

any suggestion? regarding to faeces i have mucus as well and small amount of blood. i don't know, i'm not sure. 

 

i also consuming Yakult (probiotics), green beans and etc that can possibly help my constipation, but now i'm having diarrhoea. 

 

please any help for this syndrome? thanks. 

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by arbor

[arbor]

Welcome to SA @Ryzaaa

 

I'm sorry to hear that you are suffering from IBS related to your use of these pscyho-medications.  This is not an unusual circumstance unfortunately, as IBS is a common side-effect of taking and withdrawing from these drugs.  Here are 2 links that can acquaint you further with this topic:

Irritable bowel syndrome: Gut bacteria and what you can do ..

Digestive problems: nausea, diarrhoea, bloating, GERD 

It is my experience that most people once they are off these drugs for a while are able to regain their digestive health, though it may take some time.  We can't predict how long, as everyone is different.  However, with proper nutrition and gentle care, your system should get better.

 

To get you started, and to give you the best information, we ask you to summarize your medication history in a signature -- specific drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements in a list format.  

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On 7/20/2021 at 9:35 PM, Ryzaaa said:

i have mucus as well and small amount of blood

These drugs can cause extreme problems in the gut.  I would definitely make sure your doctor is tracking how this progresses for you.  Hopefully, now that you are off the drugs, your gut can heal, but if there's blood that's a condition the doctor should address to make sure it doesn't get worse.  I encourage you to browse the site as your issues are important issues for most people here.

 

On 7/20/2021 at 9:35 PM, Ryzaaa said:

i don't have anxiety before, after consuming those drugs i have terrible anxieties

 

Many people have this experience.  I'm very sorry that it has happened to you as well.  At this point you have a couple of options:

1.  Wait it out.  Your system is working constantly to repair itself.  The damage is not permanent and your system will heal itself.  We can't give you a timeline.  Some recover fairly quickly; others take longer.

 

2.  The second choice is to reinstate a very small dosage of your previous drug, and after stabilizing, tapering very, very slowly.  This link can explain this more:

About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

 

After you've had a chance to read these links, and create your signature, we can help you with this decision if you'd like us to.

During this early time I suggest you make your decision soon and then stay with that in order to avoid too much changing around which is hard on the nervous system.  Here are some links that can be useful:

Keep it Simple, Slow, and Stable

 

This is your Introduction site where you can ask questions and connect with other members.  

I'm glad you've found us. 

Arbor

[Ryzaaa]

Thank you Arbor, appreciate your attention. but my knowledge regarding this syndrome is very limited i do some online research as well, but none of it really helps. Only manifest in my worries, haha. i'm afraid that i have other issues so i might need some proper medical check up.  

 

Many people i've known said that they have had to take the drugs again, so yup. i think i'll consider that as well, but maybe just maybe they'll prescribe me with better one, i've talked to my PDoc regarding this too, but most common people that are having  IBS cases are linked in one drugs, anxieties drugs. Not a bipolar/schizophrenic drugs like what i've consumed. 

 

what's on my mind right now is that, i'm scared to reinstate my drugs since i have bad reaction to this, i'm totally scared to just add some cocktails of drugs anymore i've took lots of drugs to help my digestive problems right now, and i'm scared the psychiatric drugs might worsen my IBS, but i don't really know for sure.... it's a dilemma. 

 

 

 

 

aaaannndd i have consulted with my doctor. 

 

however when i'm on the drugs i have very controlled and scheduled defecate. it's been a roller coaster to me.

 

the exact same thing happen whether i'm taking or not taking the drugs, it's just the same. It gave me both negative reactions. 

 

so i don't know, i need your suggestions,  but.. it is bothering me everyday. 

[arbor]

Dear @Ryzaaa--This can be so difficult.  Unfortunately, the medical establishment has provided no proper research to deal with the repercussions of their products.  The complications are too various for us to accurately know exactly what is causing what.  It sounds like you are experiencing IBS both on drugs and off of them:

5 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

however when i'm on the drugs i have very controlled and scheduled defecate. it's been a roller coaster to me.

 

the exact same thing happen whether i'm taking or not taking the drugs, it's just the same.

 

My experience for myself using AD's and from the information shared by others who have been on a wider variety of psycho-drugs is that they all can cause IBS.  Unfortunately, IBS can lead to other negative conditions in the body.

5 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

i need your suggestions

I don't usually like to give advice, but since you are asking, I will say that I strongly advise staying away from all these drugs and finding more healthy, natural forms of treatment.  We can discuss those further, but first I need you to finish your drug signature:

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My best wishes to you, Ryzaaa,

Arbor

[Ryzaaa]

Arbor, i have been hospitalized for 3-4 times in a row this month, they gave me various of drugs for my IBS and GERD, i have a very strict family, they're the one that told me and forced me to go to doctor, i personally don't like it. but, they just insisted to. I can't do anything or else. Next Thursday is my consult schedule. i'm confused because i don't know, do chemical drugs helps? 

 

honestly i really don't know that meds are helping or no, because there's no significant sign or else, just the same, sometimes it help sometimes  it's not. 

 

I'm in a very bad situations right now, i really don't have much energy as many foods are triggering my IBS, so i'm on my low condition. i can say i only just endure the pain for now. 

 

i'm in bed rest for about a week, i really don't know what or why or even how to fix this. i don't even know where to start i have no choice, no doctor acknowledge regarding my situation. 

 

i felt like this will not come to an end. desperation on it's peak. 

 

 

 

 

[arbor]

Dear @Ryzaaa  I'm so sorry you're in this situation.  No matter which direction you choose to take, I recommend that eating a healthy diet with a good deal of fiber, lots of water, and the above supplements can be helpful.  As you probably know, regular exercise is also a good idea.  Quieting your mind will also help your stomach to settle down.

 

On 7/26/2021 at 2:43 AM, Ryzaaa said:

i'm scared to reinstate my drugs since i have bad reaction to this, i'm totally scared to just add some cocktails of drugs anymore i've took lots of drugs to help my digestive problems right now,

This is a serious consideration.  Given your experience, I would continue to suggest that you allow your system to heal on its own.

 

If however, you are finding blood in your feces, then it's a good idea to see your doctor right away.  Some of these drugs can cause problems in the lining of the stomach.  They may heal on their own, or they may develop into ulcers.  There are diet plans for healing ulcers mentioned in these links:

Irritable bowel syndrome: Gut bacteria and what you can do ..

Digestive problems: nausea, diarrhoea, bloating, GERD 

Also you can find good diets on line.

 

How is your sleep and state of mind at this time?

 

I had IBS most of the time I took AD's and into the first 2 months of withdrawal.  Then I started a careful diet which i can share with you if you wish.  Soon my IBS began to improve.

Let us know how you're doing and what decisions you want more help with.

My best wishes to you,

Arbor

[Ryzaaa]

Dear, @arbor 

 

Thanks for the response, right now i'm on my good condition well.. i can say it's not bad, not good either. In couple of days i usually wakes up with high body temperature and headache along with pain on my abdonminal, but i sleep just fine. 

 

Stool test show me that my stool contained 2 different bacterias, they didn't tell me what kind of bacteria is. 

 

But, the only thing that is bugging me right now is my stomach spasms and growling, since the first time i had this i just really can't get used with it, might  gonna need more times to ignore . 

 

However i found out yesterday i already had a normal defecate, but before.. on monday, i had black stools followed by mucus continued with normal healthy stool and it seems a normal conditions for the people that are having IBS (very hopeful it's not something), it's not really on my concern however, despite i have anxieties right now i've learnt to cope with my conditions, tomorrow is my time to consult with my doctor anyway. i'll just need to wait for his suggestions. 

 

 

But, i do have big concern sometimes. because i know this might be other deadly disease, but *god plz* hopefully it isn't. 

[arbor]

Dear @Ryzaaa

I'm glad to hear that you're feeling even a little bit better.  

14 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

stomach spasms and growling

This is not unusual.  Eventually, as you take good care of your health using natural methods, these symptoms will diminish and then disappear.  

I look forward to your good health in the future,

Arbor

 

[Ryzaaa]

Dear @arbor

 

I got terrible diarrhoea yesterday, tenesmus,  chill and fever that subsequent stop abruptly with other several uncomfortable symptoms which i think it was really bad, but today i do feel better again. 

 

Honestly i really don't know what is going on with me yesterday, yet the cramping and my bowel movement sounds still there, it is uncomfortable but not severe as couple weeks ago. 

 

it was very weird, i must say that those symptoms comes and goes out of blues. that flares happened in blink of an eye and it goes as 1-2 hours, then i'll just be fine after that. 

 

However, i've noticed it was probably  due to SIBO that may cause IBS, it's very obvious because it was linked with my medical history taking PPI (Protons Pump inhibitors) for my GERD recently. 

 

I'm not sure how to say, but how can i get proper test for SIBO? do stool examination already enough to diagnose of increasing bacterial flora inside my intestinal? because i've noticed that i had bacterias as the results. or do i need another test, because GP are very limited here. 

 

and what should i do to deal with the bacterias? antibiotics? probiotics? 

 

 

 

[arbor]

Dear @RyzaaaI hope that you are moving in a direction of a healthier gut.  Being off the PPI will help for sure.  Here is another link for you to explore:

Probiotics and gut health 

Whether you get tests or not, exploring a healthy drug-free life-style of good diet, mental calm, exercise and patience lead to better gut health.  It took me 18 months after my last dose of Metformin for my gut to function reliably.

My best wishes to you💗

Arbor

[Ryzaaa]

Dear @arbor thanks for the information. 

 

Lately i've been thinking that it's probably wasn't IBS, i'll try to make it sure. I went to gastrointestinal specialist to book my colonoscopy, it was scheduled on 27 August. 

 

Well, i must say that i always scared and confused that if this was IBS or not, hopefully it's just IBS. 

 

Doctor has concerned about me because he noticed that i had blood in my stool and unintentional weight loss. 

 

Well, after this colonoscopy and after i get proper diagnose, i'll try to do my best to live more healthy life.

 

Hopefully it's not something life-threatening disease. 

 

Wish me luck! 

 

 

[arbor]

 

Dear @Ryzaaa

Thank you for sharing this update on your health.  It can be scarey to find blood in your stool.  I suggest showing the information below to your doctor right away.  IBS can take awhile to heal, but it does resolve.  I send you best wishes for the colonoscopy.  Let us know how it goes.

Hugs,

Arbor

4 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

Doctor has concerned about me because he noticed that i had blood in my stool and unintentional weight loss. 

Depakote and Ibs - a phase IV clinical study of FDA data    On Jun, 10, 2021

Summary:

Ibs is found among people who take Depakote, especially for people who are female, 40-49 old, have been taking the drug for 2 - 5 years.

 

Depakote and Ibs, a phase IV clinical study of FDA data

https://www.ehealthme.com › depakote › ibs

 

 

 

 

[almuPA]

Hello @Ryzaaahow are you?

[Ryzaaa]

@almuPA 

 

Thanks for asking, i wish i could tell you that i'm doing fine.

 

The involuntary movement symptoms has been decreased, some of them are gone, but the IBS symptoms it didn't go very well.

 

I'm till having trouble with my bowel. It's keep bugging me, i'm lost and keep looking for answer and diet. 

[Ryzaaa]

Moved from Events, actions, controversies forum; 

Topic title: My bad experience with psychiatrist drugs (Antipsychotic)

 

So hello everyone! My near real life name is June, i'm 19 years old. I want to share a story and open a discussion about my bad experience with these meds. 

 

So back in 2021 i was admitted to mental hospital due to my behavior. I took all of the drugs with high dose that i didn't think it was that high at that time, never been on psychiatrist before. Then they diagnosed me with paranoid schizophrenia (i read the paper as soon as i'm out from the hospital), it is sucks. 

 

I'm honestly didn't feels like i have schizophrenia, i have no signs/symptoms. No hallucination, no whisper or whatsoever. 

 

It's just me being a depressed teen, so sad. That i was misdiagnosed with this illness which led me to this current problems. 

 

So back when i was on those meds at the facility, i took all of them (abilify,clozapine, and depakote) it didn't go with very well. My psychiatrist forced me to take it all, i couldn't resist. 

 

After all these meds successfully made me lose appetite and had me vomited a lot. I ate just 2 table spoon/day at that time for couple weeks, yet they still heeds the fact that it's  the results of the medication. Whilst what i'm actually feels that, i have no appetite and is suffering from terrible reaction of those meds and i'm in the agony. 

 

Long story short, i cut them off as soon as i get out from mental hospital. 

 

I sooni  began to suffering from what i think it's called "withdrawal", i was in and out hospital and IVed several times due to vomiting and many other things. 

 

My dad,my mom and i got infected with covid-19 and presumably due to my very high access of in and out hospital, eventually he died on August 10th 2021. I feel so stressed and regretted my decision of seeking help to professional, i really feels like lost everything, with disease that u have after took those meds and my family conditions that not goes with very well. 

 

It made me think that i distrust them and all i want is at least can be functioning like normal again and help my mom and all of family.

 

the only limitation is this unknown disease/symptoms that i have from taking those meds. Please could you guys help me out? 

 

my current condition of side effects :

- IBS D (i got really sensitive gut) everytime i eats, i will go to the loo. 

- Insomnia

- A bit agitation

 

The rest they've gone gradually, but the IBS still not good, it didn't go. some day i feels normal, most of the day i feels sh*tty and sick. 

 

 

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[almuPA]

I am sorry to read that.

It is my understanding that you had a colonoscopy and consulted with a doctor. How that It went? Did they give you any dignose?

 

I send you  a big hug.

[Ryzaaa]

@almuPA 

 

Yes, i have both endoscopy & colonoscopy done, my Dr still didn't know what it is exactly. It can be possibly an inflammation on the ileum i read it on the paper's result as that was exactly what he said. 

 

"Ileeitis terminal" (Chron's disease) 

"colitis unspecified"

 

But, he also said it's not chron's neither colitis, the other day he concluded that it's highly possible caused by colitis unspecified. It's still remain unclear unfortunately. 

 

 

 

[almuPA]

I understand is confusing not knowing what is causing your symptoms. 

It is a good thing, though, that you had tests done and that the doctors did not find nothing major. 

I am not an expert and not a mod, so don't take my words too seriously, but unfortunately, WD can cause a lot of different symptoms, including IBS. 

 

Have you seen an improvement?

[Tom2020]

Psyllium husk is supposed to be good for both diarrhoea and constipation.

[Ryzaaa]

Update after 11 months off antipsychotics

 

Hi everyone! Here's my updates about my current condition and  i also need to ask several questions and some kind of advice for the next step, i'm still 65-70% recovering. 

 

I have successfully off the medication completely, i stopped them in July 2021 Cold Turkey. I have good news and bad news. For medications history, i was on Abilify Discmelt, Clozapine, and Depakote (Divalporic Acid) and off them abruptly in July 2021 right 3 weeks after on them. 

 

However, in April 2022 i took 2.5 mg Sopavel ODT (Olanzapine) Which worked like charm helped me sleep without any side effects except small weight gain and drownsiness. Thanks to the med it helped me sleep early now, but i have stopped it too after 3 weeks on them without any further side effects. So, it is fair to say that i don't have any complaint about the medication. I sleep just fine now. 

 

So, in short... I have some good news and bad news. 

 

Good news is : The insomnia , panic attack, severe vomiting has completely gone, Heart Palpitations, Depersonalization, Derealiziation, Dizziness all gone 🎉🥳🎈

 

Bad news is : I still have the mighty sucks IBS-D (GI problem) which i just can concluded that it was possibly caused by severe anxiety while i stopping the meds Cold Turkey and then moving on from that now i do still have some kind of tremor (a kind of involuntary movement) that occurs only when i bend my feet (it happen to be both of them), i don't know if it was akathisia or drug induced parkinsonisim or TD  (Tardive Dyskinesia), it doesn't disturb me a lot, but sometimes it does. 

 

However, on April during the consulting my PDoc suggested me that i should give a try Tryhexipedinyl a group of anti-parkinson drug that also specifically to treat extrapyramidal symptoms such as Akathisia/Drug-Induced Parkinsonism.

 

The question is i have suffered from this involuntary movement for 11 months is there any chance that this medication help alleviate the symptoms completely? Or the medication just gonna add another pain after taking them? Is it okay to take THP without any Antipsychotics? 

 

Also, about the IBS is there any chance the antipsychotics caused the altered Bowel nerve or Central Nervous System?

My symptoms about IBS is : Flatulence, Need to go to the loo shortly after eat, incontinence and that's it. I need some advice about taking suplement, medication, or else that could help me to settle down the flare ups.  

 

So fa i'm doing well in daily life. 

 

Thanks in advance. 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by ChessieCat
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[ChessieCat]

Q:  Have you done your own research and looked up the possible side effects of Tryhexipedinyl?

[Ryzaaa]

I have read about it and Trihexypedinyl is actually a well-known by the misuse/abuse medication to help people get high, i'm not even kidding. In here it's a kind of narcotics, it's according to the testimonial of its users it can cause dependence. Here in Indonesia it's generally known with the name of Hexymer. 

 

I've read the contradiction, the side effects, drug reaction, etc but  can't  finding anything that say that its too risky. Only the warning of the medication that is must be taken continuously until certain courses and that you can't stop them abruptly. 

 

The thing is, i know nothing about the side effects. Some of big hospital article said that it can't be cause dependence if you're strict on Dr's prescription and the characteristic is just as mimic and same as the substitute of Cogentin. Many psychiatrist usually prescribe the medication with some other meds such as Benzo, SSRI, or Antidepressant or even Antipsychotic to avoid seizure and extrapyramidal effects. 

 

What concerned me the most is about the dependence and other unknown/underrated risk factors, but still i haven't got any clue, but might give a try since my Dr say it's tolerable. 

 

I don't know, i'll give a shot and give an update about it. 

[Ryzaaa]

On a side note : It's an antimuscarinic (Medication that cause inhibiting the action of acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter in the parasympathetic nervous system. Antimuscarinic drugs relax smooth muscle, decrease the secretion of saliva, sweat, and digestive juice, and dilate the pupil of the eye) 

 

In short, it's also help to alleviate the IBS-D symptoms, according to article that is on my native language unfortunately.. But, i don't know i'm still skeptical about it. 

[ChessieCat]

SA is a site for going off psychiatric drugs.  We cannot make suggestions about what drug/s you can try.  The staff are not medical professionals but are unpaid peers; people who have got off their drug/s or are in the process of getting off their drug/s.  SA does, however, suggest that if a member decides to try anything new, whether it is a prescription drug or supplement, to only try a small dose of it to see how they react to it.  The effect of psychiatric drugs on the nervous system is cumulative.  If you do experience adverse effects from a drug or supplement if you have only taking a small amount then hopefully the reaction will not be as bad and hopefully you would recover more quickly.

[Ryzaaa]

Yes, i understand about your capabilities  and limitations, it's good to know that SA communities and the Administrator acknowledge that they can not just give a stranger advice or suggestion that they have 0 clue about, i understand it completely. I know, but as i'm here just asking in the view of other's experience. 

 

I know, i'm too much asking. I just well, i think i'm scared.. I've never been on psych meds before, but now here i am. 

 

It's sickening to know how this could manifest to my health to a degree where i can't see all the bright side of things in this whole situation, it's tragic. If have had i didn't seek help and endure the psychological pain, it will never just gonna ever happen. Just saying.... 

 

I understand about your concern and warnings, thanks for all that but yeah i'll make my own decision and i will take the consequences with hope that it's what's  best for me. 

 

Thanks in advance, appreciate your story and advices. It's really helpful, you're helping people out there and at least with this community exists, people like me have a shelter and share the togetherness while facing the storm, pain really do need companion. 

 

Again, i'm so grateful and i have good time to be here. It's not coincidence, but yeah you guys are my real family now. 

[ChessieCat]

If you are ever prescribed more than one drug to take at the same time, please do a drug interaction check before taking the combination of drugs:

 

Drug.com Interactions Checker

Medscape Drug Interaction Checker

 

This topic has links to other helpful topics:

 

Important topics in the Tapering forum and FAQ

 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by ChessieCat

[Ryzaaa]

Thank you, Chessie. I will be checking it. It's really helpful, i hope i find the answer. 

[Tom2020]

It's great you have recovered a lot. Regarding trying the new drug you have to weigh the possible risks and benefits, which of course is hard to do beause there's so little information. Only you can decide if your symptoms are bad enough to try the new drug. Personally, I would not take any new drugs, but especially ones with potential for serious side-effects and trouble withdrawing, without a strong reason, because I know how bad the side effects and withdrawal can be, even when a doctor says they're safe. And before taking any drugs I would look for non-drug treatments.

 

I don't know much about IBS and this is probably not the best site to ask about it. Are you sure you have IBS or could it be a related condition? Have you looked into non-drug treatments. Are you sensitive to certain foods now? Maybe an elimination diet would help.

 

Are you tremors getting better? How long would you need to take the drug? A short time or forever?

[Ryzaaa]

Taking medication for treating drug-induced movement

 

So, i was experiencing shaking/tremor in legs after successfully coming off APs, but i reinstated into Olanzapine because i have trouble sleeping at night and honestly Olanzapine has helped keeping me sane and get enough sleep and the symptoms wasn't because of Olanzapine, but it was caused by common side-medication that were essentially to treat EPS caused by antipsychotic. 

 

Anyway, now i began to develop some kind of tremor in both legs & hands in certain position after taking Arkine/Trihexypenidyl, it used to only just in my lower limbs and now it's on my hands too and only in certain position. 

 

Keep in mind, Arkine is a Parkinson medication that's also commonly prescribed by Drs to treat extrapyramidal effects of Antipsychotic/Psych medication. I don't know why i have this. Perhaps you can enlighten me. 

 

It'll slightly get better just when i keep my upper & lower limbs occupied.

 

My question is, what is this? Is this going to be permanent? Or how to manage it? 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by ChessieCat
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[ChessieCat]

Please update your drug signature.  Include ALL drugs.

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by ChessieCat

[Altostrata]

On 7/4/2022 at 1:31 AM, Ryzaaa said:

So, i was experiencing shaking/tremor in legs after successfully coming off APs, but i reinstated into Olanzapine because i have trouble sleeping at night and honestly Olanzapine has helped keeping me sane and get enough sleep and the symptoms wasn't because of Olanzapine, but it was caused by common side-medication that were essentially to treat EPS caused by antipsychotic. 

 

If you've reinstated olanzapine and developed a movement disorder, you are experiencing a serious adverse effect from olanzapine.

 

If you had adverse effects from Trihexypenidyl, if you are still taking it, you will still have adverse effects from it. About 

About Trihexypenidyl https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519488/

 

It makes no sense whatsoever to take olanzapine to mask adverse effects of Trihexypenidyl.

 

On 7/4/2022 at 1:31 AM, Ryzaaa said:

Keep in mind, Arkine is a Parkinson medication that's also commonly prescribed by Drs to treat extrapyramidal effects of Antipsychotic/Psych medication. I don't know why i have this. Perhaps you can enlighten me. 

 

You have a movement disorder from your history of taking antipsychotics, including olanzapine. If you have just started taking olanzapine and the movement disorder got worse, your current olanzapine is causing it. You can get a movement disorder from olanzapine taken for sleep.

 

The movement disorder may slowly go away if you stop antipsychotics, or it may not. We cannot predict this. We do not treat movement disorders here. Please ask your doctor your questions about your drug-induced movement disorder.

[peaceandlove]

On 7/26/2021 at 5:40 PM, Ryzaaa said:

Arbor, i have been hospitalized for 3-4 times in a row this month, they gave me various of drugs for my IBS and GERD, i have a very strict family, they're the one that told me and forced me to go to doctor, i personally don't like it. but, they just insisted to. I can't do anything or else. Next Thursday is my consult schedule. i'm confused because i don't know, do chemical drugs helps? 

 

honestly i really don't know that meds are helping or no, because there's no significant sign or else, just the same, sometimes it help sometimes  it's not. 

 

I'm in a very bad situations right now, i really don't have much energy as many foods are triggering my IBS, so i'm on my low condition. i can say i only just endure the pain for now. 

 

i'm in bed rest for about a week, i really don't know what or why or even how to fix this. i don't even know where to start i have no choice, no doctor acknowledge regarding my situation. 

 

i felt like this will not come to an end. desperation on it's peak. 

 

 

 

 

hey how is your ibs & GERD doing now? I’m going through the same 

[Ryzaaa]

Tremors after taking anticonvulsant and worsen by taking Artane

 

Soo.. It probably be the most uncommon adverse effects of taking Anti-parkinson medications & Antipsychotics. The keyword here i think could be the main culprit definitely Artane when i took them. 

 

And here's the reason why...

 

But first, let me introduce my Psychiatrist's drug history.

 

I took ; Olanzapine, Abilify, Clozapine, & Depakote the last was Artane. Stopped them abruptly after 4 weeks on them because i can't bear any longer of the very unpleasant side effects such as movement disorder, losing appetite, etc etc. 

 

it was hellish when i go through the withdrawal or even while i was on them, so a catch-22. 

 

When i've successfully stopped them completely, by the month of 6th of coming off them i experience some tremors when i sit and when i bend my feet, so i talked about this with my PDoc and she prescribed me with Artane in which causing tremors worsenend and now it occurs both of my hand's fingers & legs unfortunately. 

 

I don't really know for sure until this time what's exactly going on and my Pdoc have 0 clue about what's going on, she  just told me to stop taking them, but then again it was never ever be the same. Also i had and still have IBS after taking these medications, don't know which were the causes tho, but only possibly blindly guess it, it probably was the work of Depakote & Artane in between antipsychotics i don't know.  Artane is the real one, cause i noticed my symptoms worsened while on them. But, prior this all f*ckery, i think Depakote could be the main suspect, because i have a lot of people telling me that they began experience the tremors while om Depakote. But, i don't know. I'm in newbie, in terms of polydrugery. 

 

Perhaps you can enlighten me about what's the best decision for the next , i'm sure not gonna do any drugs anymore  for them, but just want to know how's this all could possibly happen and perhaps there would be strangers out there who might experience the same thing. 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2022 by manymoretodays
merged from S and SC back to members topic, title added

[manymoretodays]

Hi there Ryzaa,

I merged your new topic from S and SC back here, added your title too.

 

Post your concerns here, in your Introduction please, rather than starting a brand new topic.  This way you don't have to repeat your psych drug history over and over, and we can get a better look at what you have been dealing from your arrival here to present.

 

You really need to update your signature and add in the Artane with dose and dates taken.  As well as the olanzapine.

And any other drugs since that time too.  Add any drugs since July 2021.

Start and stop dates, Drug by name and dose if you remember.

 

I just edited quite a bit from my first response several hours ago, after reading more of your topic.

  

On 6/16/2022 at 10:55 PM, Ryzaaa said:

However, in April 2022 i took 2.5 mg Sopavel ODT (Olanzapine) Which worked like charm helped me sleep without any side effects except small weight gain and drownsiness. Thanks to the med it helped me sleep early now, but i have stopped it too after 3 weeks on them without any further side effects. So, it is fair to say that i don't have any complaint about the medication. I sleep just fine now. 

 

10 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

When i've successfully stopped them completely, by the month of 6th of coming off them i experience some tremors when i sit and when i bend my feet, so i talked about this with my PDoc and she prescribed me with Artane in which causing tremors worsenend and now it occurs both of my hand's fingers & legs unfortunately. 

 

 

 

Go to:

AccountSettings/signature

Hit Save when done editing there so the additional goes into effect.

Add in your drugs taken in 2022 please.

 

Any further hospitalization or new psychiatric drugs/medications since April 2022?

 

You can check any drug for side effects, and then also drug interactions on https://reference.medscape.com/ or https://www.drugs.com/

And I know you've done some checking, but just so you have that.

 

  

10 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

I don't really know for sure until this time what's exactly going on and my Pdoc have 0 clue about what's going on, she  just told me to stop taking them, but then again it was never ever be the same. Also i had and still have IBS after taking these medications, don't know which were the causes tho, but only possibly blindly guess it, it probably was the work of Depakote & Artane in between antipsychotics i don't know.  Artane is the real one, cause i noticed my symptoms worsened while on them. But, prior this all f*ckery, i think Depakote could be the main suspect, because i have a lot of people telling me that they began experience the tremors while om Depakote. But, i don't know. I'm in newbie, in terms of polydrugery. 

 

The likeliest drugs that may have initiated and be related to the movement disorder are the Antipsychotics(AP's)  Clozapine, Aripiprazole, and most recently the Olanzapine.

Maybe the Depakote and Artane, brought out something that the AP's started.  I don't know for sure.

Did you see your psychiatric doctor in person or was a telehealth appointment.  Just wondering.  They are completely unaware that some of your symptoms that started on the drugs and persisted may have been due to the drugs?  That's strange.

I think you are wanting to find out now exactly how and why you have these tremors/shakiness/ extrapyramidal movements/ or this movement disorder that you have, and then also find other people with a drug history and then symptoms just like yours?  I don't know if that is going to be possible.  Some with similar symptoms while on or after drugs may come right here and tell you how they cope, or commiserate. 

 

We don't know how long the movement disorder will last.   How bad is it right now?  What are your days like?

 

What was life like before last July? 

 

 Here's what Alto said not too long ago.

  

On 7/28/2022 at 8:48 PM, Altostrata said:

If you've reinstated olanzapine and developed a movement disorder, you are experiencing a serious adverse effect from olanzapine.

 

If you had adverse effects from Trihexypenidyl, if you are still taking it, you will still have adverse effects from it. About 

About Trihexypenidyl https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519488/

 

It makes no sense whatsoever to take olanzapine to mask adverse effects of Trihexypenidyl.

 

You may find further relief with time, and without further drugs. 

 

Have you tried some new things for the gut issues, and found the topic on IBS.

Here is that topic:

Irritable bowel syndrome: What you need to know

 

Have you had a chance to try either Magnesium or Omega 3's?

Start really low with one or the other, don't just try both at high doses at once.  And do try to read through at least the first page of the topics, before trying either.

But maybe one of those or eventually both might help, if even a little bit.

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/606-important-topics-about-tests-supplements-treatments-diet/

BASIC SUPPLEMENT TOOLKIT

King of supplements: Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil)

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

 

Okay Ryzaa.  I don't know what else to say today.  I do wish you further healing.  And perhaps some who have had similar issues while on drugs and then persistance of symptoms like yours, can help too.

Do try and update your signature please.  It's the section below your posts, where we can see your drug history at a glance.  It's very helpful.  I went over that some at the beginning of this post to you.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

manymoretodays(mmt)

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by manymoretodays
Just did a redo after reading through most of Ryzaaa's topic. I missed a lot the first go round with replying

[manymoretodays]

Ooh, and oh my gosh so sorry about your Dad Ryzaa.  That was just February 2022!
 

I just got to that post of yours above.

That can certainly set back any progress/healing for awhile.

[Altostrata]

10 hours ago, Ryzaaa said:

When i've successfully stopped them completely, by the month of 6th of coming off them i experience some tremors when i sit and when i bend my feet, so i talked about this with my PDoc and she prescribed me with Artane in which causing tremors worsenend and now it occurs both of my hand's fingers & legs unfortunately. 

 

As you know, a very serious risk of taking the types of drugs you've taken for years (Olanzapine, Abilify, Clozapine, & Depakote) is a movement disorder that may or may not resolve after you go off the drugs.

 

I am sorry you had an adverse reaction to Artane. Unfortunately, we do not treat movement disorders here. We cannot advise you on drugs to take for this. I suggest you join a site or peer group specifically about drug-induced movement disorders.