Moderator Onmyway Posted July 30, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 30, 2021 I'm putting this here because I didn't have that information when I switched and it did set me back. In the UK the citalopram liquid is more potent than the pills per mg. The packaging and the leaflet that come with it say so but it's easy to miss esp. if you are in withdrawal. This is also one of the most common drugs prescribed in the UK, so good to have this here for reference. The liquid formulation of citalopram is 25% stronger than the pill form. So if you were taking 10mg citalopram in pill form that would be equivalent to 8mg of the liquid. Based on this, I am going to do some math here to help with calculations with specific steps on how to get the right dosage of medicine and how to make the solution. Please don't use the dropper attached to the medicine, use a syringe for accurate measurement. Get yourself 10ml and 1ml syringes when you pick up your prescription. They often give those for free when you ask. Step 1. Divide your current dosage in pill form by 1.25 This is how many mg you will be taking in liquid form. So if your current dosage is in pill form 1.5mg citalopram, your liquid citalopram dosage would be 1.2mg Step 2. Now make the solution from which you are going to draw this amount. The UK version of the oral drops is 1ml = 40 mg which means that 0.1ml (small syringe)=4 mg. Dilute 0.1 ml (1 unit on the small syringe) of the medicine in 40ml of water (4x 10 ml large syringe) (I make 0.2 ml into 80 ml of water so it lasts me a bit) Step 3: Measure your dosage multiplied by 10 in ml of the citalopram solution So for 1.2mg liquid dosage you would take 12ml of citalopram solution from step 2 above. That means 10ml + 2 ml in the large syringe Note: the form of the liquid citalopram may be different in other countries - read your leaflet. 1 "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator bunchesofoats Posted January 15, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 15, 2023 Thanks for sharing your experience. I only recently found that an oral solution exists (other than making one yourself or going to a compounding pharmacy). I'm curious what others' experiences with it have been. This is the only thread I've found so far mentioning it. 2005 - 2016 on & off methylphenidate and bupropion; short terms trials of other medications; tried many supplements 2016 Nov - 2017 Mar citalopram ramp up 0-->30mg (4 months) 2017 Mar - 2018 Jan held at 30mg (11months); taking 1.5x 20mg tablets, cutting 20mg tablets in half. inconsistency in split tablet led to extreme side effects. 2018 Feb - 2018 May taper 30mg-->20mg (3months), ~2.5mg/month, cutting tablets; at 20mg side effects (vertigo, headache, etc) disappeared 2018 May - 2019 Apr held at 20mg (11months); attempted taper from 20mg; tried ~17.5mg cutting tablets but symptoms too strong 2019 Apr - 2021 Jun tapered 20mg-->10mg (26months); ~5%/month dissolving tablets in water and pipetting with syringe; min lorazepam 2-3x/mo to mitigate symptoms 2021 Jun - 2023 Nov held at 10mg (29months) 2023 Nov - Nov 7 10mg solid to liquid; Dec 7 liquid 10mg; Dec 14 9.9mg; Dec 21 9.8mg; Dec 28 9.75mg; Jan 27 9.65mg; Feb 3 9.53mg; Feb 18 9.45mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Onmyway Posted January 25, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2023 Hi @bunchesofoats, I have been using the liquid and it has been fine. It dissolves in water - I am at a very low dose now - 0.44mg liquid and so I dilute 0.1ml into 120ml and then take 13.25ml etc. I drop by 0.05ml 15-20 times a month because I go by how I feel. So each of my drops is 0.3% but they are more frequent. The concentration of my liquid is 40mg/ml We do not recommend such frequent drops even if so tiny if you have not been lowering for a while as you wouldn't know how you react and the effects may accumulate before you realize so I started doing this cautiously over time as I learned about how my body reacts and I am very careful with it. If I sense any withdrawal symptoms I stop tapering for a few days. If something stressful is happening in my life, I stop for a few days - I end up with 5-6% total drop over the month. This schedule has worked best for me. I do have waves but I am doing ok most of the time. Note, however that the US version of the liquid may not have that 25% bioavailability difference - please read the leaflet. From what I remember its concentration is also different but that may depend on the manufacturer. I would suggest that you stick to the same manufacturer if you start tapering. OMW "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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