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Would it be too difficult for you to move your escitalopram dose earlier in the day?

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@Needofwisdom If you want to take 1 mg escitalopram per day, you can follow the same procedure as described in my last post.    - The only difference is that you crush a whole pill of 10mg a

We cannot fix inconsistent dosing from measurement variation. You will have to figure out how to do that yourself. Using the prescribed liquid will be more reliable.

@Needofwisdom It appears that to some extent, you are creating conditions that cause you to be anxious. You are the only person who can stop this. Working with a coach or psychotherapist can help.

Needofwisdom
7 hours ago, Altostrata said:

If I were you, I'd use the bottled escitalopram liquid and eliminate any potential area of error in your DIY method.

 

 

Were these adverse effects from your starting up escitalopram in January 2019 and increase to 5mg August 21, 2021? Did they go away or did you have them as long as you were taking escitalopram?

 

If I were you, I'd move your escitalopram dose earlier by one hour each day until you're taking it in the morning. Please let us know of any unusual symptoms that arise in this process.

Altostrata,

I believe that the .5mg dose is too high based on how i feel before and how I feel afterward. It seems now everytime I take the .007g dose im getting extra negative effects like I will feel noticesbly worst than before taking the dose. I am now also supplementing with l tryptophan during the day with multiple doses of 100 or so mg and there is a noticeable benefit on my mood. After I take .007g i no longet get alleviation of symptoms but rather feel a negative effect. Tomorrow I will lower my dose to .006g to see how my body tolerates it and if my symptoms worsen or get better. 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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By all means, do your own experiments. Not sure how much I can add here.

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4 hours ago, Altostrata said:

By all means, do your own experiments. Not sure how much I can add here.

 

Thank you Altostrata im very thankful for your input. I really dont know what Im doing im just trying to listen to my body to see where i can be the most stable. Right now everything is an uncertainty for me and I really dont know where I should go from here. I just see how this escitalopram is making me feel after i take it 3 weeks later and it seems to make me feel less stable so Im just trying to find some acceptable doseage, it seems as time goes on either my doses are inaccurate (very likely) or my nervous system wants less of it.

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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Not a good idea to rely on inaccurate dose measurement.

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47 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Not a good idea to rely on inaccurate dose measurement.

 

Altostrata I have been relying on a small digital mg scale for my doses and i am just afraid of switching to liquid because of what I read about others not tolerating the liquid as well . At the present time i have the liquid prescription ready in the refrigerator and also have the materials for homemade liquid. Its just switching while i dont feel confident thats worrying me because I feel if something goes wrong i will be even less stable. But according to the calculations if im off by just 1 number lower .007 to .006 im going down from .514mg active ingredient to .441mg active ingredient each time im off which is insane. This is so frustrating.

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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As an alternative to inaccurate dosing with dry cutting of pills (or factory made liquid), you could switch to homemade liquid from the same pills you are using. I explained you earlier how you can do so. This method is much more accurate than dry cutting!

 

The chance of getting problems with liquid from own pills is probably less than changing to a factory made liquid.

 

You have all the materials as you told here. Do however make a crossover from dry to home made liquid.

1993    Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006      No medication

2006   Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro 

Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin

2016  Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg

November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems.

April 2017 – March 2019       Lexapro 0,6 mg        April 2017 - August 2018       Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step.

March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..)    

Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg 

October 2019        Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks       Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg

March 2020     Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg   Extreme withdrawal affects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin  until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020   Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. 

Jan 2021 Prozac down to:  0,55> 0,53>0,51mg,   Feb 0,47mg ,  Mar 0,42mg,   Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again

 

Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil when feeling anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin

 

Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one.

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6 hours ago, Go2zero said:

As an alternative to inaccurate dosing with dry cutting of pills (or factory made liquid), you could switch to homemade liquid from the same pills you are using. I explained you earlier how you can do so. This method is much more accurate than dry cutting!

 

The chance of getting problems with liquid from own pills is probably less than changing to a factory made liquid.

 

You have all the materials as you told here. Do however make a crossover from dry to home made liquid.

 

Go2zero thank you for your help. Right now i am so stressed out from the lack of sleep and just all the wd symptoms over the past few months accumulating. Before i reinstated i could never imagined i would have to deal with so much all at once. Its become a full time job. I am at my wits end so frustrated. I tried making my own liquid today i crushed a 10mg pill and used a 10 ml syringe full of water to mix it then i transferred it into the 10 ml amber bottle and the bottle is reading higher than 10 ml when i measured 10ml exactly in the syringe. I dont know what to trust the bottle or the syringe.  I just want to make sure im doing this right my body has taken a huge beating from the lack of sleep. I dont want to make any errors. My scale is becoming even more inaccurate and measuring it out is becoming more troublesome. 

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Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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35 minutes ago, Needofwisdom said:

My scale is becoming even more inaccurate and measuring it out is becoming more troublesome. 

First of all you need to calibrate your scale now and then!

 

Second, the liquid method is much more secure!

 

Believe the syringe and NOT the bottle. And by the way you also added the volume of the pill itself. So it is logic that it would be more than 10ml....

 

Keep using the same (kind) syringes. So even if they would not be 100% accurate (which I doubt) you would always have the same fault which would not mind then...

 

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1993    Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006      No medication

2006   Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro 

Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin

2016  Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg

November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems.

April 2017 – March 2019       Lexapro 0,6 mg        April 2017 - August 2018       Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step.

March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..)    

Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg 

October 2019        Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks       Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg

March 2020     Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg   Extreme withdrawal affects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin  until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020   Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. 

Jan 2021 Prozac down to:  0,55> 0,53>0,51mg,   Feb 0,47mg ,  Mar 0,42mg,   Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again

 

Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil when feeling anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin

 

Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one.

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12 minutes ago, Go2zero said:

First of all you need to calibrate your scale now and then!

 

Second, the liquid method is much more secure!

 

Believe the syringe and NOT the bottle. Keep using the same (kind) syringes. So even if they would not be 100% accurate (which I doubt) you would always have the same fault which would not mind then...

 

 

Thank you Go2zero i try to calibrate each and every time i weigh out the dose. It seems to fluctuate. My plan is to weigh out the .006g on the scale which would be roughly .441mg eyeball it in half then use the liquid 1ml syringe to dose the .22ml until i slowly go on to full liquid. This is very stressful and pretty much terrifying at this point.  Please add anything i would be doing wrong at this point. I can feel my body doesnt like this poison in it. Do you think that someone like me who had been on it for 10 months or so would have a lot of trouble getting off it with a quicker taper than 10% a month as opposed to those that have been on them for many years? I know that the first time i tapered off in November it was relatively easy and then I believe the huge mistake was coming off them 6 days cold turkey in april. 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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We cannot fix inconsistent dosing from measurement variation. You will have to figure out how to do that yourself. Using the prescribed liquid will be more reliable.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Needofwisdom
3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

We cannot fix inconsistent dosing from measurement variation. You will have to figure out how to do that yourself. Using the prescribed liquid will be more reliable.

 

Altostrata the manufacturer of the liquid is different from the manufacturer of the pill form. The pill manufacturer is Accord HEA and the liquid manufacturer is Amneal PHA. How do I know taking a different manufacturers generic liquid lexapro wont adversely affect me? It could be more potent mg for ml as ive read before from other users on here. 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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What do you think the best solution for your problem can be? How would you improve the consistency of your dosing?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What do you think the best solution for your problem can be? How would you improve the consistency of your dosing?

 

Thank you Altostrata i think the best solution would be to be very careful follow instructions and do everything i can to make this work out. Right now I am very emotional and i have gone into crying spells with a lot of uncertainty. Im walking a thin line and im not sure how to go about this switch whilst being like this. If something does go wrong is there a back up plan or do i just abandon and go back to pills? I would like to see if I can stabilize a little bit better before i switch. I think my dose really kicked my butt. I feel a lot of my emotions coming back at once just really emotional/sad/crying one moment then ok the next. In a way it feels like im human again at this dose .005g. When i switch over to liquid im going to go as low as i can. I think lower is better because there is less chance of it being too strong. Then if its too low maybe slightly updose from there. 

 

 

 

 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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11 hours ago, Needofwisdom said:

I tried making my own liquid today i crushed a 10mg pill and used a 10 ml syringe full of water to mix it then i transferred it into the 10 ml amber bottle and the bottle is reading higher than 10 ml when i measured 10ml exactly in the syringe.

 

If you mix the crushed tablet and water well, It doesn't matter how much is in the bottle, you're only taking 0.5mg from it. Do your mixing with the same equipment in the same way every time you make the liquid. This will keep your dosing consistent.

 

Please let us know how you're doing.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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10 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

 

If you mix the crushed tablet and water well, It doesn't matter how much is in the bottle, you're only taking 0.5mg from it. Do your mixing with the same equipment in the same way every time you make the liquid. This will keep your dosing consistent.

 

Please let us know how you're doing.

 

My anxiety is going through the roof right now probably from lowering my dose too much. So I take 1/4 of .5ml from the 10ml syringe with 10mg in it but have to eyeball 3/4 dose of the .5mg pill first which i dont know is accurate or not.. is transferring to the liquid in one switch a bad idea ?

 

I am about to have full blown panic attack

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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The feeling i had last night and throughout today is feeling a lot like myself before I was ever put on lexapro. The only difference is im very emotional and am having a lot of anxiety like i am on the verge of a panic attack. I dont know what the ideal dose is from here is but im trying to figure it out i know i need to slightly updose from yesterday and slightly go down from the previous days. Thats the tricky part. I had to take 750mg of Gaba to deal with the anxiety and panic and it has calmed me down enough where i can function but i still feel the surges of adrenaline. I probably need to take my dose as soon as possible now. 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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@Needofwisdom It appears that to some extent, you are creating conditions that cause you to be anxious. You are the only person who can stop this. Working with a coach or psychotherapist can help.

 

We can't help you with this here, we don't have the expertise.

 

In terms of dealing with withdrawal syndrome, from now on, please take a carefully measured dose from the prescribed escitalopram liquid and remove that concern you have about mixing your dose, which may be adding to your anxiety.

 

Be sure to take that dose at the same time each day. Please let us know how you're doing.

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I have only slept 3 hours in the lasr 2 days but i still feel wired like im on an ampherltamine or something. These are now not even the wothrawals but the initial start up side effects. I cant get any sleep at all, my symptoms are burning rushing anxiety major insomnia. I know these arent the withdrawals now because i had gotten over the insomnia during the previous months. Now its back with a vengeance its become my most debilitating symptom so far and i havent used a single ativan or klonopin for it yet this entire time but at this point im thinking im going to because i feel like if i cant sleep im going to shut down going like this. I feel super wirey at night

 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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It feels like after the initial withdrawal alleviation the start up side effects began to kick in. Now i feel like my mind and body just keeps kicking on and on even though i haveelnt had any sleep. I feel like i havent slept in 5 days but my brain just keeps on going. Emotional swings have subsided from previous but im reacting very sensitively to the reinstatement at this point. Sleep seems to just be getting worst. Anxiety and panic subsides during the day and becomes elevated during 12am to 7am surges of adrenaline i cant seem to fall asleep like I used to not even for 2 hours.

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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This is ridiculous insanity i cannot function like this day in and day out doing all this by myself whilst not being to fall asleep realistically speaking this is basically impossible to do 

Zoloft Jan 2005 - July 2005 weaned off

Zoloft June 2008 - Jan 2009 weaned off

Escitalopram Jan 2019 - Nov 2020 weaned off

Escitalopram April 2021 6 days 10 and 20mg ct stopped

Escitalopram July 20th 2021 to July 30th reinstated 2.5mg discontinued ct after feeling no benefit worsening

Escitalopram August 21st 2021 .5mg reinstatement

Klonopin as needed 

Ativan as needed

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