Tyler84: Help - Mirtazapine WD

[arbor]

Hi @Tyler84

I'm so sorry you're having to suffer like this.  The fact that you had a 3 day window is a good sign that underneath this you are regaining some ground.  Also, the drowsiness, though not fun, I tend to interpret as a sign of your body making an effort to heal.  Remember when you can, that the terrible negative feelings are not you:  they are the symptoms of mirt w/d.  Are you able to eat healthfully?  Have you tried the suggested supplements, especially, the fish oil (at high-end doses)?

Thinking of you--

Arbor

[Tyler84]

17 hours ago, arbor said:

Hi @Tyler84

I'm so sorry you're having to suffer like this.  The fact that you had a 3 day window is a good sign that underneath this you are regaining some ground.  Also, the drowsiness, though not fun, I tend to interpret as a sign of your body making an effort to heal.  Remember when you can, that the terrible negative feelings are not you:  they are the symptoms of mirt w/d.  Are you able to eat healthfully?  Have you tried the suggested supplements, especially, the fish oil (at high-end doses)?

Thinking of you--

Arbor

 

thank you so much . I haven’t died the fish oil yet . Do you have a brand you recommend ?  Also will it mess with thyroid problems ?   What does fish oil do for the body ? I really need to take something my body hurts everyday so much 

[Tyler84]

3 hours ago, Tyler84 said:

 

thank you so much . I haven’t died the fish oil yet . Do you have a brand you recommend ?  Also will it mess with thyroid problems ?   What does fish oil do for the body ? I really need to take something my body hurts everyday so much 

 Also i ordered some fish oil supplements . Can i just break the capsule at first and try a few drops of it to see if it will be to activating for me ? Or should i just try an entire capsule ?    

[Tyler84]

Just now, Tyler84 said:

 Also i ordered some fish oil supplements . Can i just break the capsule at first and try a few drops of it to see if it will be to activating for me ? Or should i just try an entire capsule ?    

And i figured out everything on fish oil after i read the thread so disregard my first questions about what it does for the body and wd .   Thank you for your help 

[arbor]

Hi @Tyler84

I'm glad you're finding your way around the site.  I imagine you're really in the overwhelming acute phase of w/d.  I can share with you that the body aches for me now have gotten better.  It may take time, but I believe we're both on the way to recovery.

Hugs to you,

Arbor

[Tyler84]

3 minutes ago, arbor said:

Hi @Tyler84

I'm glad you're finding your way around the site.  I imagine you're really in the overwhelming acute phase of w/d.  I can share with you that the body aches for me now have gotten better.  It may take time, but I believe we're both on the way to recovery.

Hugs to you,

Arbor

Thank you Yes this is horrible .   One more question. .Should i break a capsule ?  Or try the whole thing ? I’m hypersensitive to any vitamins or Supps Like vitamin D and magnesium .   

[ChessieCat]

If you aren't sure how you are going to react to a new supplement it is a good idea to try a small amount first.

 

And only make one change at a time.

 

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[Tyler84]

5 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

If you aren't sure how you are going to react to a new supplement it is a good idea to try a small amount first.

 

And only make one change at a time.

 

the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable

 

Thank you chessie . So i can cut into a capsule ?  I’m going to try that Trader Joe’s fish oil .  And i hope it helps 

[Tyler84]

I have a question .  Can i take ibuprofen fir this horrible spine pain and headaches ? Or will it make wd worse ?   I’m in so much pain and can’t stand this . I really want to take w couple Motrin ibuprofen .    Someone please help 

[arbor]

Sorry you're in pain @Tyler84

 

I recommend this link:

Painkillers in withdrawal: aspirin, ibuprofen, paracetamol

My best to you,

Arbor

[Tyler84]

@Altostrata@arbor @ChessieCatHello all . I just had a 4 day window where i was feeling almost normal besides horrible headaches . Now today it’s back to horrible depression and psychotic feelings with extreme headache and dizziness . I also messed up and ate some high histamine food for dinner but i had the headache before. now i feel really crazy and depressed and like I’ll never fall asleep .   My question is if i just had a four day window am i through the worst part ? does it get easier after this ?  I’m off four months today . But i literally cannot handle being depressed and psychotic .  So if i had a four day window will i have another one soon ?  Am i almost through the worst part or will i permanently be like this .  I get so agitated around my friends and gf sometimes it scared me . I hope this is not me forever . I haven’t taken anything at all since stopping besides one day of supplements.  Also i have another dr try to tell me that i can take Benadryl or hydroxizibe for sleep and anxiety .   Also not sure if you guys remember but my psych gave me Xanax .5 for panic and told me to take one everyday for 2 weeks and go back and see her . I knew that was stupid so i haven’t touched them even though at times i have really wanted to try it . I haven’t touched a Xanax in almost 20 years .    I haven’t even taken Tylenol for pain .  I haven’t reinstated low dose mirtazapine because I was feeling okay for days .   So am i going to start having bigger windows and could this be the end of the horrible feelings soon ?  I am going to try again with magnesium glycinate tomorrow at 25 mg becuse the 125 mg capsules i have were way too activating and made me have anxiety and def didn’t help with sleep or calmness .   Thanks all for your help and sorry if i said to much in one post .   You guys have been a life saver .  Drs prob would have had me in a psych ward by now . 

[ChessieCat]

The SA staff cannot predict the future. 😉

 

Please check out the posts in this topic.  There are links to them in Post #1:

 

are-we-there-yet-how-long-is-withdrawal-going-to-take

 

[arbor]

Hi @Tyler84--It's so hard, isn't it, after a window, to plunge again into a wave.  So dispiriting.  While at the same time, so little is known.  I really recommend eating well and avoiding stress as much as possible.  Also, I'm really impressed with your continuing commitment to your own recovery.  (Personally, I would get rid of the Xanax so that it doesn't tempt you with what won't help.  For instance, it may help you sleep, but studies are showing the sleep is not the kind that is restorative, so you might as well not even be asleep--at the same time, taking it, you're slowing recovery and flirting with dependence.)  It takes incredible strength to go through this--you seem to have that.  Hang in there💜

Arbor

[Altostrata]

@Tyler84, a window is a good sign. Be patient, you can expect a lot of ups and downs.

 

You can take Tylenol. Don't eat high-histamine foods, the reactions could be adding to or triggering your problems.

[Tyler84]

5 hours ago, Altostrata said:

@Tyler84, a window is a good sign. Be patient, you can expect a lot of ups and downs.

 

You can take Tylenol. Don't eat high-histamine foods, the reactions could be adding to or triggering your problems.

Thank you .  I will do this . And def don’t take a Xanax as needed right ? Some days i feel like i need to take a small chip . Will it make my crazy thoughts worse ? Or help them ?  Will the windows get longer and waves get smaller soon ?  Or do the waves get longer and worse ?  I have an appt with the neuro for my vertigo / migraines and spine pain i had before mirtazapine and I’m pretty sure theure going to to give me some sort of medicine I’m just not sure what to do. 

[Tyler84]

11 hours ago, arbor said:

Hi @Tyler84--It's so hard, isn't it, after a window, to plunge again into a wave.  So dispiriting.  While at the same time, so little is known.  I really recommend eating well and avoiding stress as much as possible.  Also, I'm really impressed with your continuing commitment to your own recovery.  (Personally, I would get rid of the Xanax so that it doesn't tempt you with what won't help.  For instance, it may help you sleep, but studies are showing the sleep is not the kind that is restorative, so you might as well not even be asleep--at the same time, taking it, you're slowing recovery and flirting with dependence.)  It takes incredible strength to go through this--you seem to have that.  Hang in there💜

Arbor

Okay thank you . Thanks fort he help 

[Tyler84]

@Altostrata does anyone know of what mirtazapine does autoimmune wise to the ears ? Someone had mentioned it does something autoimmune to the glands below the ears . And my ears and head have been burning so bad for the last couple weeks and i have a positive Ana test . They can’t figure out what it is and i was just wondering if anyone knew what it does to the ears . Thanks 

[arbor]

Hi @Tyler84--I'm sorry to hear about your ears burning.  I had mentioned earlier on your thread that some people can have immune responses to psycho drugs that include inflammation of the salivary glands beneath the ears.  This has caused a rattling sound for me separate to the tinnitus.  I don't experience burning.  I hope you are able to find some relief.  I use ice for some of my symptoms.  

Sending healing wishes,

Arbor

[Tyler84]

Just now, arbor said:

Hi @Tyler84--I'm sorry to hear about your ears burning.  I had mentioned earlier on your thread that some people can have immune responses to psycho drugs that include inflammation of the salivary glands beneath the ears.  This has caused a rattling sound for me separate to the tinnitus.  I don't experience burning.  I hope you are able to find some relief.  I use ice for some of my symptoms.  

Sending healing wishes,

Arbor

Thank you . Yes ice has been a great help but this is unbearable . I wonder if Tylenol would help 

[arbor]

I haven't tried Tylenol, but this link can bring up discussion from other members.

Arbor

[Altostrata]

@Tyler84, you have withdrawal syndrome from mirtazapine. That strange skin burning sensation is often reported as a withdrawal symptom.

 

Reinstatement of the drug is the only way medicine knows how to reverse withdrawal. We recommend a very low dosage to avoid unanticipated adverse reactions. We have many people here who have reinstated a very low dose of mirtazapine successfully.

 

Why have you rejected reinstatement of a little mirtazapine? What happened when you took 1mg mirtazapine in June?

[Tyler84]

6 hours ago, Altostrata said:

@Tyler84, you have withdrawal syndrome from mirtazapine. That strange skin burning sensation is often reported as a withdrawal symptom.

 

Reinstatement of the drug is the only way medicine knows how to reverse withdrawal. We recommend a very low dosage to avoid unanticipated adverse reactions. We have many people here who have reinstated a very low dose of mirtazapine successfully.

 

Why have you rejected reinstatement of a little mirtazapine? What happened when you took 1mg mirtazapine in June?

I just haven’t reinstated because i had a 4 or 5 day window . And I’ve already been off for 4.2 months now .  Is that even safe ?   i really do not want to be on that horrible drug . But today whole body is burning worse than ever and my headache and vertigo is worse than ever . I think this is histamine overload . Could i take a Benadryl or a diff antihistamine I’m prescribed to ? I just don’t want to go back on the drug .  But i might have to if this burning doesn’t stop . @Altostrata

[Altostrata]

I don't know if an antihistamine will help. Reinstatement is your choice. Please don't tag me until you've come to a decision.

[Tyler84]

On 10/30/2021 at 4:03 PM, Altostrata said:

@Tyler84, you have withdrawal syndrome from mirtazapine. That strange skin burning sensation is often reported as a withdrawal symptom.

 

Reinstatement of the drug is the only way medicine knows how to reverse withdrawal. We recommend a very low dosage to avoid unanticipated adverse reactions. We have many people here who have reinstated a very low dose of mirtazapine successfully.

 

Why have you rejected reinstatement of a little mirtazapine? What happened when you took 1mg mirtazapine in June?

I’m thinking about asking my dr about lamotrigine . I think it will stop a lot of the full body pain and crazy thoughts I’m having .   And from what I’ve read it’s safe long term .  Have any one of you ever taken lamotrigine ? 

[ChessieCat]

2 hours ago, Tyler84 said:

I’m thinking about asking my dr about lamotrigine

 

From Post #1 of lamictal-lamotrigine-to-calm-post-acute-withdrawal-symptoms-paws

 

On 10/3/2011 at 6:34 PM, Phil said:

Skip to the information in this post and FAQs and read it all carefully. Then read the rest of this topic.

 

If you go on a drug it is helpful to know how to get off it.  SA's topic:

 

tips-for-tapering-off-lamictal-lamotrigine

[Altostrata]

@Tyler84, since you have withdrawal symptoms from mirtazapine, reinstatement of mirtazapine is the simplest, most direct solution. It's like going from A to B. 

 

If you want to try a drug such as lamotrigine, which you've never tried before, that's like going from A to R. I have no idea if it will help your symptoms, or if it will not cause its own adverse effects. You'll have to work with your doctor on this. Please read the topics @ChessieCat gave you. Your doctor will want you to take a much higher dose than we'd suggest. If you have a bad reaction, please talk to your doctor.

[Foxclover6]

On 11/1/2021 at 12:41 AM, Tyler84 said:

I’m thinking about asking my dr about lamotrigine . I think it will stop a lot of the full body pain and crazy thoughts I’m having .   And from what I’ve read it’s safe long term .  Have any one of you ever taken lamotrigine ? 

Wonder how you're doing, I too have burning ears.  🔥 

[Tyler84]

On 11/14/2021 at 7:47 PM, Foxclover6 said:

Wonder how you're doing, I too have burning ears.  🔥 

I have burning brain , spine , ears all of it. I’m really not sure why this is . But I’m Abojt to try some diff meds . I’m 5 months off mirtazapine now and i won’t live with dizziness and ear pain for the next year . 

[ChessieCat]

1 hour ago, Tyler84 said:

But I’m Abojt to try some diff meds

 

Please be very careful trying a new drug.  It is better to start with a tester dose to see how you respond to it.  That way if you have a bad reaction to the drug it will hopefully not be too bad and will hopefully not take too long for things to settle.  If there were no issues then you could increase by small increments.  It is better to do it this way than to risk taking too much.

 

The medical profession thinks in terms of "therapeutic dose" which is an arbitrary term that the pharmaceuticals decide on and the medical profession gets their information about the drugs and doses from the pharmaceutical companies.

 

SA prefers to use the term "lowest effective dose".  That is the lowest dose that will work for an individual.  Not a one size fits all.

 

Alto posted this to another member recently:

 

On 11/14/2021 at 11:44 AM, Altostrata said:

 

For some reason, common sense about lowest effective dose is not applied to prescription psychotropics. Rather than understanding the effect is individual, doctors follow the model of antibiotics, to strenuously crush the symptom utterly with a standard dose or greater (unfortunately, not with the limited time course of antibiotics).

 

 

I also suggest that you do your own research about the side effects of the drug BEFORE you start taking it.

 

Also be aware that for most drugs it takes about 4 days for a dose to get to full level in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain.  Prozac is different and has a very long half life of about 2 weeks.  If you take too much and you then reduce it, then it will take longer than the shorter half life drugs for the dose to reduce in your system.

 

Please remember to update your drug signature if you decide to start a new drug.   Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

[ChessieCat]

Just want to remind you of what Alto stated:

 

On 11/2/2021 at 8:11 AM, Altostrata said:

since you have withdrawal symptoms from mirtazapine, reinstatement of mirtazapine is the simplest, most direct solution. It's like going from A to B. 

 

 

[Tyler84]

3 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Please be very careful trying a new drug.  It is better to start with a tester dose to see how you respond to it.  That way if you have a bad reaction to the drug it will hopefully not be too bad and will hopefully not take too long for things to settle.  If there were no issues then you could increase by small increments.  It is better to do it this way than to risk taking too much.

 

The medical profession thinks in terms of "therapeutic dose" which is an arbitrary term that the pharmaceuticals decide on and the medical profession gets their information about the drugs and doses from the pharmaceutical companies.

 

SA prefers to use the term "lowest effective dose".  That is the lowest dose that will work for an individual.  Not a one size fits all.

 

Alto posted this to another member recently:

 

 

I also suggest that you do your own research about the side effects of the drug BEFORE you start taking it.

 

Also be aware that for most drugs it takes about 4 days for a dose to get to full level in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain.  Prozac is different and has a very long half life of about 2 weeks.  If you take too much and you then reduce it, then it will take longer than the shorter half life drugs for the dose to reduce in your system.

 

Please remember to update your drug signature if you decide to start a new drug.   Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

Will do Thank you .  Yes i plan on taking a qtr dose of whatever is recommended to me . I think it’s going to be hydroxyzine .   Also i just got my fish oil from Trader Joe’s so I’m going to do fish oil and magnesium glycinate now as well . I have already been taking my vit D . Just hoping this pain and dizziness doesn’t last a year 

[ChessieCat]

Only make one change at a time.  Otherwise if you have issues or if something works you won't know what harmed/helped.

[Tyler84]

1 minute ago, ChessieCat said:

Only make one change at a time.  Otherwise if you have issues or if something works you won't know what harmed/helped.

Definitely. I’ve been trying to explain this to my mother and she thinks it’s okay just to take tons of vitamins . I have to explain to her that i won’t know which one has an adverse effect .     But What do you think about turmeric for this dill body inflammation i am having ? Have you tried it ? 

[ChessieCat]

12 hours ago, Tyler84 said:

But What do you think about turmeric for this dill body inflammation i am having ?

 

There are many existing topics on SA.  You can either use the site search function or use an internet search engine and include site:survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.

 

There is a topic about tumeric.

 

No, I have not tried it.

 

12 hours ago, Tyler84 said:

I’ve been trying to explain this to my mother and she thinks it’s okay just to take tons of vitamins . I have to explain to her that i won’t know which one has an adverse effect .

 

When I first arrived at SA I started taking magnesium and omega 3 at the same time.  I got back aches.  I had no idea what had caused it so I had to stop both supplements.  The back aches went and after waiting a few weeks I reintroduced them one at a time.  It turned out that it was the Omega 3.  I did stay on it and after some time this effect resolved itself.  If I had introduced them one at a time I would have known straight away.   Interestingly earlier this year I tried to increase my Omega 3 from 2 to 3 capsules a day and I experienced the back aches again.  I decided to only take 2 capsules a day.

 

See:

 

the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable

 

[Foxclover6]

On 11/19/2021 at 1:52 AM, Tyler84 said:

I have burning brain , spine , ears all of it. I’m really not sure why this is . But I’m Abojt to try some diff meds . I’m 5 months off mirtazapine now and i won’t live with dizziness and ear pain for the next year . 

Do you happen to have muscle twitching ? I'm 5 months off and I'm having them alot

[Tyler84]

Just now, Foxclover6 said:

Do you happen to have muscle twitching ? I'm 5 months off and I'm having them alot

Oh yes . Non stop .  Legs arms chest and sometimes face