OptimisticRP: hello - my story help me

[Kiasofia]

If you are using drugs to deal with symptoms, I suggest limiting yourself to one. The more factors at play, the harder to assess what is going on and the more for the body to adjust and deal with. Both these drugs can cause dependency and then need to be tapered. Better it just be one than two to deal with.

Tips for tapering off propranolol

 

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From: How to talk to a doctor about tapering and withdrawal? What to expect.

 

Some doctors will prescribe a benzodiazepine for withdrawal symptoms. This poses its own problems as, used frequently, benzos incur dependencies of their own and also need careful tapering.

Benzos are technically addictive. Often Klonopin (clonazepam) is the prescribed benzo, and is very, very difficult to quit should you become dependent on it.

Another medical myth is that some benzos are less addictive than others. This is not true. Addiction cannot be predicted on an individual basis. You can become addicted very quickly to any benzo. It's the luck of the draw.

A benzo may indeed help with some withdrawal symptoms, but only while you're taking the benzo. Since withdrawal symptoms tend to resolve over time (sometimes many months), the benzo is a baby sitter for your nervous system while it does the job of recovery.

And then you'll have to taper off the benzo, which may take quite a while itself, and may cause similar withdrawal symptoms.

 

 

[OptimisticRP]

29 minutes ago, Kiasofia said:

If you are using drugs to deal with symptoms, I suggest limiting yourself to one. The more factors at play, the harder to assess what is going on and the more for the body to adjust and deal with. Both these drugs can cause dependency and then need to be tapered. Better it just be one than two to deal with.

Tips for tapering off propranolol

 

 

Okay great thank you! in your experience and knowledge - I probably experienced kindling. Is it harder to recover from kindling?  or either way same journey and healing is inevitable, just a matter of time. Thank you for being so helpful ❤️ 
 
I start my second to last college  semester tomorrow. Idk how I’ll do it but I got to.  
 

 

 

[Kiasofia]

Kindling means the brain is sensitized and will need to recover from being sensitized. All brains in withdrawal/healing from adverse reaction are sensitized so it's a part of the healing process regardless.

1 hour ago, OptimisticRP said:

Thank you for being so helpful ❤️ 

Your welcome❤️

 

I'm sorry you can't just take time off and focus on healing. If there's any way to do part time or less credits...hope you can manage somehow.

[OptimisticRP]

3 hours ago, Kiasofia said:

Kindling means the brain is sensitized and will need to recover from being sensitized. All brains in withdrawal/healing from adverse reaction are sensitized so it's a part of the healing process regardless.

Your welcome❤️

 

I'm sorry you can't just take time off and focus on healing. If there's any way to do part time or less credits...hope you can manage somehow.

I wish I could too, but parents think I’m being dramatic and it’s just my normal anxiety……… idk how to get through to them to show these medicines have temporarily taken my life from me. But I think maybe Just school will help so at least I get something’s done while in this hell. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I don’t know what to do but I’m just gonna keep pushing forward. Got no other choice. Just hope I heal sooner than later. 

[OptimisticRP]

Is it too late to reinstate? And you guys still suggest I reinstate the Prozac correct? Im starting school and   I am scared and I’m a bad way right now. 
 

also when I got off fluoxetine the first time my doc weened me from 60-40-20 then off in two months I understand that’s too fast but is that considered cold Turkey ? Or just fast taper? 
 

 

@Kiasofia. 

[OptimisticRP]

@brassmonkeyi just read your posts - can I get your opinion on my situation and what you think. I like to have a variety of opinions to see. Really struggling right now after having a window. I’m only 2.5 months off everything. 

[OptimisticRP]

Need peoples opinions, a NYC psychiatrist I am debating on seeing this Tuesday. I had a phone consultation with him and he said he understands exactly what I’m going through and said he has a regimen that will fix it. I asked him what that regimen is an he said it’s mainly a low- dose of lithium and he said he has published on this topic and has helped everyone he’s met with this syndrome and it has worked. I’m scared and worried and not doing well recently so I don’t know. 

[ChessieCat]

Generally it is better to reinstate the drug which your brain has adapted to.  However in your case it is difficult to know drug that would be because you have tried so many, and for such a short time in the last year.

 

Q:  What was the reason you decided to change from Prozac?

 

4 hours ago, OptimisticRP said:

Is it too late to reinstate?

 

I have asked the other mods for their thoughts on this.

 

[Kiasofia]

Please read your thread again. We have been through this. Alto wrote:

 

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If you felt better on Prozac, a little bit probably would go a long way towards reducing your withdrawal symptoms. We recommend trying a very low dose, such as 1mg, to see what it does. It's highly likely you didn't find higher doses any help because taking too much causes anxiety-like symptoms, which you may very well have mistaken for panic attacks

 

[OptimisticRP]

5 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Generally it is better to reinstate the drug which your brain has adapted to.  However in your case it is difficult to know drug that would be because you have tried so many, and for such a short time in the last year.

 

Q:  What was the reason you decided to change from Prozac?

 

 

I have asked the other mods for their thoughts on this.

 

I still had panic attacks on Prozac is why I got off of it. 
 

and I think the only two drugs my brain adapted to we’re prozac and lexapro however since citalopram is so similar - maybe when I tried it after that’s why all of this occurred because it kindled. 

[OptimisticRP]

3 hours ago, Kiasofia said:

Please read your thread again. We have been through this. Alto wrote:

 

 

Yes, I’ve re read my whole thread before. Is it too late to reinstate the Prozac now? And also, I had a 10 day window a week ago, so I’m unsure if I should just ride this wave out. But nervous this wave won’t go away. 

[OptimisticRP]

Also, @Kiasofia. @ChessieCatif you could pass it onto alto - I’ve contacted professors at my university about this issue. And I actually got in touch with Mark cuban…..yes the billionaire, and asked for help - he said it’s not his expertise so he can’t help. I sent a follow up email to ask him to use his platform to start research but have got no response.  
 

hopefully down the road there is a treatment for withdrawal to stabilize yourself. 

[kostakonkordia]

7 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

Shaking(like shivering) - anxiety and brain fog. Nausea and appetite and eating issues. Hopelessness and depression and intrusive thoughts. Depersonalization and derealization And sexual dysfunction. I am thinking off the top of my head, some stomach pains as well. 

I don't know if you have read my posts but you clearly have some stomach issues. Youre other symptoms could be related to that too. 

[OptimisticRP]

2 minutes ago, kostakonkordia said:

I don't know if you have read my posts but you clearly have some stomach issues. Youre other symptoms could be related to that too. 

What do you suggest my Comrad? 

[kostakonkordia]

1 minute ago, OptimisticRP said:

What do you suggest my Comrad? 

Have you read my posts? I would suggest you take a pcr/dna,rna sequenzing based stool test. And look if you have dysbiosis. I think that many withdrawal symptoms have alot to do with the gut and there are quite a few reasons to belive that. I cant write them to you now because I wrote about them so often. Just go on my profile and read my posts. After you get you're results you best go to a naturopath who knows about the microbiom. There are alot of measure which you can take, for example natural antimicrobials, special diets, fasting, exercise, supplements like probiotics(be a bit careful with that because it can make things worse if you take the wrong ones) and prebiotics. 

Just let me know when you decide to test and get the results back. I would be interested in those. 

Why comrad?? Hahah

[OptimisticRP]

3 minutes ago, kostakonkordia said:

Why comrad?? Hahah

Idk 😂 just came out like that! A video game I used to play was stuck in my head. And I will definitely do these tests. How do I get these tests done my general doctor ?

[kostakonkordia]

7 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

Idk 😂 just came out like that! A video game I used to play was stuck in my head. And I will definitely do these tests. How do I get these tests done my general doctor ?

Ok hahaha nice, which video game?? Cs? I don't know where you live but you can order them online. I think in most countries the insurance doesn't pay for it but you have to look into that yourself. It's pretty expensive tbh, normally around 150 €,$. If you live in the US Thorne stool test is the best. 

[OptimisticRP]

2 minutes ago, kostakonkordia said:

Ok hahaha nice, which video game?? Cs? I don't know where you live but you can order them online. I think in most countries the insurance doesn't pay for it but you have to look into that yourself. It's pretty expensive tbh, normally around 150 €,$. If you live in the US Thorne stool test is the best. 

I am from the US and COD! And I will look into Thorn right now! 

[OptimisticRP]

@kostakonkordiai will Order the test this week and lyk my results. I gotta find doctors to help me through this journey. 

[OptimisticRP]

37 minutes ago, kostakonkordia said:

Have you read my posts? I would suggest you take a pcr/dna,rna sequenzing based stool test. And look if you have dysbiosis. I think that many withdrawal symptoms have alot to do with the gut and there are quite a few reasons to belive that. I cant write them to you now because I wrote about them so often. Just go on my profile and read my posts. After you get you're results you best go to a naturopath who knows about the microbiom. There are alot of measure which you can take, for example natural antimicrobials, special diets, fasting, exercise, supplements like probiotics(be a bit careful with that because it can make things worse if you take the wrong ones) and prebiotics. 

Just let me know when you decide to test and get the results back. I would be interested in those. 

Why comrad?? Hahah

What symptoms do you think the stomach could be attributing too?

[kostakonkordia]

55 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

@kostakonkordiai will Order the test this week and lyk my results. I gotta find doctors to help me through this journey. 

That sounds good. Just watch out don't go to any doctor many will prescribe you antibiotics and send you home. But dysbiosis needs a much more holistic/integral approach. I can give you some more advice on that or just read for yourself in the internet. 

[kostakonkordia]

58 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

What symptoms do you think the stomach could be attributing too?

I would say they are most probably involved in every symptom. I think that because the brain and the gut are basically inseperable. Just a quick example: 95% percent of the serotonin and 50% of dopamine gets produced in the gut. There are many more arguments for that but it would be too long to carry it all out now. 

Edit: Chessie said we have to leave this thread so just message me on pm or tag me in you're introduction if you want to discuss this further. 

Edited January 25, 2022 by kostakonkordia

[OptimisticRP]

@Kiasofia.  @ChessieCat I was reviewing my medicine history and I just realized I should clarify, I started Prozac 10MG in November 2019. Every couple months if I still had my severe panic attacks, my doctor would add 10MG, until January 2021 I got to 60MG. Had horrible panic attack trying to go out to dinner with ex gf on 60 MG (was why I got on medicine to begin with having anxiety) changed doctors. Found new doc they gave me 2MG Valium. They told me to take 2MG everyday for a month to calm my self. I did and I felt great no panic at all. And then they weened me off 60-40 in a month and then 40 for 2 weeks and then 20 for 1 week and then was told I could stop. While still taking 2 MG not daily anymore just as needed and felt no problems with that - I rarely took it after that. Only for severe panic 
 

 

25MG Zoloft next half a tablet and just had stomach issues and increased anxiety and felt awful. 7 days and off for a couple days 

 

then a couple weeks went by - so my doc suggested escitalopram. So I started on 5MG for 1 week and felt fine only one panic attack when going out which was the norm. Then up to 10MG the next week, that’s when the anxiety increase and panic attacks were really severe and I felt awful on it until 2 weeks later I fully adjusted to the dose. 2 more weeks on it, I thought to myself, I don’t want to rely on medicine. So I weened off 10MG and went down to 5MG for a week then off. Doctors orders. Also was prescribed 10-20MG propanalol  at this time to ease the symptoms of raising the dosage. Only took it as needed 

 

3 weeks being off meds- I used valerian root- passionflower and CBD randomly. I felt amazing for these 3 weeks. 
 

 

Then my doc suggested citalopram saying it would be less agitating, so I started that 20MG the same day I got my first covid vaccine stayed on for only for 9 days - had zombie  feeling and headaches very bad. And I had a panic attack on it. So I said medicine just makes me worse and stopped. The day I stopped the medicine, I also got tattooed (I got tattooed a bunch throughout 2019-2021) 
 

5 days after stopping the medicine, I lost all emotions and feelings and lost sexual functioning. Completely numb physically and mentally. Depersonalization and derealization. Freaking out, reading online forums I went to my doctor and they said “go back on fluoxetine, you are spiraling” so I took fluoxetine 20MG foe 4 days and then just stopped it cause I felt so scared and didn’t want any medicine anymore.  

 

november 8th 2021 stopped. At first, I was still able to function and do some things while I was completely numb and blunted  that was the main symptom I really had. However, On December 16th I played soccer the day before an I felt good enough to at the time. And then after that - the anxiety wave came and symptoms began to appear - I felt awful, shaking(shivering , twitching, morning anxiety) nausea severe - no appetite and still no feelings and severe brain fog. Distracted easier and unrelenting distress. Depersonalization and derealization. That lasted unrelenting until January first or so. Then I had a window of improvement from January first until around the 16-17th. And since January 16th-17th I’ve had a wave of the same symptoms coming back and being just as severe - only this time with more intrusive thoughts and negativity.  
 

 

 

I hope I summed that up better. I never gave my full story, like that I figured I’d share and keep this here for future reference and if you guys have anything to add or suggest. Thank you for your help and effort. I lost my GF - my job and I’m in school trying to stay in and complete this semester.
 

if you were in my shoes  what would you do? 

I started taking magnesium and I’m gonna add fish oil and melatonin soon 

I am also getting my stomach checked soon. 
 

 

thank you for reading this all. It’s a lot. 
 

 

I just don’t know how to describe my situation - am I recovering from protracted withdrawal from fluoxetine or escitalopram? Or an adverse reaction to stopping citalopram. 
 

Also, have 6month recoveries been seen before or have people stabilized quickly before? I’m ready for the long haul just curious though. 

[OptimisticRP]

@brassmonkey. @Kiasofia. @ChessieCat I am seeing a new psychiatrist this week to prescribe me 1MG of fluoxetine. Although I am nervous cause I had a window* recently. But only two months off all meds. 

[manymoretodays]

Hi there OptimisticRPL,

I'm just noting your post above.

That sounds like it might be worth a trial.

What do you think after reviewing the reinstatement topic?

(It's linked too, back on page one, in the first response you got from a moderator)

How are symptoms now?

 

Windows are good signs of healing, don't be nervous about that.

 

Can you let us know when you start the Prozac 1 mg, and then keep some daily Notes as well.

You could also start with just 0.5 mg of Prozac. 

 

At best, I think the small reinstatement may just help a little with the intensity of symptoms now, it may not completely clear all symptoms, but lift them enough to help you utilize some more non-drug coping.

Is there any non-drug coping that you've found to be helpful with symptoms?

And do note for me, your current symptoms of WD........as I'm just not that familiar with your case.  Thanks.

 

You'll need to be patient with the process, as it may take the usual 4-7 days to see if there is any effect, possibly a bit longer.

Have you had negative effects to any SSRI's tried?  You'll also want to observe for any worsening.

And so.......do the notes please.

Here's the link below, and we want to see how you do both before and after you dose......what your symptoms are like.  And then do like to see the whole 24 hour picture at a time.  A couple of days notes grouped together even better!

 

Keeping notes, daily drug and symptoms diary

 

And then, if this is a new doctor, or a skeptical doctor(unbeliever in WD).......go easy, don't expect much even.....as far as them being real supportive with your microdose reinstatement.  Nice, if you are pleasantly surprised.......I'm just saying, as so many of us have had doctors just laugh, or write us off completely.

What to expect when talking to a doctor about tapering and withdrawal. How to talk to them.

 

Okay buddy.  I know you'd give anything now to go back to another time and place, without symptoms of anything at all.  Rooting for you.  Time and patience is often key.........and difficult. 

Keep us posted.  Thanks.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

 

[OptimisticRP]

On 1/25/2022 at 12:19 AM, OptimisticRP said:

@Kiasofia.  @ChessieCat I was reviewing my medicine history and I just realized I should clarify, I started Prozac 10MG in November 2019. Every couple months if I still had my severe panic attacks, my doctor would add 10MG, until January 2021 I got to 60MG. Had horrible panic attack trying to go out to dinner with ex gf on 60 MG (was why I got on medicine to begin with having anxiety) changed doctors. Found new doc they gave me 2MG Valium. They told me to take 2MG everyday for a month to calm my self. I did and I felt great no panic at all. And then they weened me off 60-40 in a month and then 40 for 2 weeks and then 20 for 1 week and then was told I could stop. While still taking 2 MG not daily anymore just as needed and felt no problems with that - I rarely took it after that. Only for severe panic 
 

 

25MG Zoloft next half a tablet and just had stomach issues and increased anxiety and felt awful. 7 days and off for a couple days 

 

then a couple weeks went by - so my doc suggested escitalopram. So I started on 5MG for 1 week and felt fine only one panic attack when going out which was the norm. Then up to 10MG the next week, that’s when the anxiety increase and panic attacks were really severe and I felt awful on it until 2 weeks later I fully adjusted to the dose. 2 more weeks on it, I thought to myself, I don’t want to rely on medicine. So I weened off 10MG and went down to 5MG for a week then off. Doctors orders. Also was prescribed 10-20MG propanalol  at this time to ease the symptoms of raising the dosage. Only took it as needed 

 

3 weeks being off meds- I used valerian root- passionflower and CBD randomly. I felt amazing for these 3 weeks. 
 

 

Then my doc suggested citalopram saying it would be less agitating, so I started that 20MG the same day I got my first covid vaccine stayed on for only for 9 days - had zombie  feeling and headaches very bad. And I had a panic attack on it. So I said medicine just makes me worse and stopped. The day I stopped the medicine, I also got tattooed (I got tattooed a bunch throughout 2019-2021) 
 

5 days after stopping the medicine, I lost all emotions and feelings and lost sexual functioning. Completely numb physically and mentally. Depersonalization and derealization. Freaking out, reading online forums I went to my doctor and they said “go back on fluoxetine, you are spiraling” so I took fluoxetine 20MG foe 4 days and then just stopped it cause I felt so scared and didn’t want any medicine anymore.  

 

november 8th 2021 stopped. At first, I was still able to function and do some things while I was completely numb and blunted  that was the main symptom I really had. However, On December 16th I played soccer the day before an I felt good enough to at the time. And then after that - the anxiety wave came and symptoms began to appear - I felt awful, shaking(shivering , twitching, morning anxiety) nausea severe - no appetite and still no feelings and severe brain fog. Distracted easier and unrelenting distress. Depersonalization and derealization. That lasted unrelenting until January first or so. Then I had a window of improvement from January first until around the 16-17th. And since January 16th-17th I’ve had a wave of the same symptoms coming back and being just as severe - only this time with more intrusive thoughts and negativity.  
 

 

 

I hope I summed that up better. I never gave my full story, like that I figured I’d share and keep this here for future reference and if you guys have anything to add or suggest. Thank you for your help and effort. I lost my GF - my job and I’m in school trying to stay in and complete this semester.
 

if you were in my shoes  what would you do? 

I started taking magnesium and I’m gonna add fish oil and melatonin soon 

I am also getting my stomach checked soon. 
 

 

thank you for reading this all. It’s a lot. 
 

 

I just don’t know how to describe my situation - am I recovering from protracted withdrawal from fluoxetine or escitalopram? Or an adverse reaction to stopping citalopram. 
 

Also, have 6month recoveries been seen before or have people stabilized quickly before? I’m ready for the long haul just curious though. 

@manymoretodays

This is my full story! 
 

Thanks for your post - I found the magnesium to be helpful late at night for waking up- ginger helpful for nausea - and deep breathing helpful for calming down. 
 

Acceptance is something I do well some days and other days - I just think about all the things I was planning to do. And how I lost my gf and stuff and it just crushes me and I worry about my future a lot and get really sad about never getting a good life back. Or falling in love and being happy again. 
 

 

main symptoms right now are 

-increased anxiety 

-brain fog 

-fatigue 

-nausea 

-no appetite 

-Anhedonia/Apathy(feel sad though) 

-can’t focus 

-depersonalization and derealization 

-hopelessness 

-random bodily changes (decreased sensation - eye tearing randomly)

- PSSD / severe (I think) 

had no acute withdrawal from stopping any drugs. Felt better every-time stopping drugs besides citalopram which after stopping I got the anhedonia and sexual dysfunction. 

[manymoretodays]

Thanks OptimisticRPL.  I HAD seen that post at least in your Introduction.

I don't like your current symptoms, so had to write, as I liked your post above as just an acknowledgement that I had seen it.

 

WD symptoms sometimes ARE delayed.  They don't always occur right after a drug is stopped(and sometimes stopped too quickly).  They sometimes occur after a few months even.  So........your current symptoms may well be due to WD.

 

Reinstatement wise.......best to start low.  It really is.  And then go slowly with any increases too.

 

So you will keep us posted with your reinstatement?  I'm hoping so.

 

And sorry about your recent losses......your girlfriend and all.  I predict a bright future for you.  How's that?

Try and stay in the day, or in the moment too......looking for what's good right now.  And finding what you like about yourself even.......why you will be a great catch for that next girlfriend........and sorry, if that is premature if you still really miss your past girlfriend.  You do have a long life ahead of you though I expect, with many adventures.

 

And yes, I'm doing well now.  I. am. doing. well.  Recovered, almost fully healed........I mean maybe I am fully healed.........doing good, thanks for asking( you did somewhere).

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

[OptimisticRP]

1 minute ago, manymoretodays said:

 

Is this to kostakk?  You are more than welcome to PM with other members here, that might be best for further discussions with them, or on their thread.    Thanks. 

 

It was supposed to be could you delete that !! 

[OptimisticRP]

12 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

Thanks OptimisticRPL.  I HAD seen that post at least in your Introduction.

I don't like your current symptoms, so had to write, as I liked your post above as just an acknowledgement that I had seen it.

 

WD symptoms sometimes ARE delayed.  They don't always occur right after a drug is stopped(and sometimes stopped too quickly).  They sometimes occur after a few months even.  So........your current symptoms may well be due to WD.

 

Reinstatement wise.......best to start low.  It really is.  And then go slowly with any increases too.

 

So you will keep us posted with your reinstatement?  I'm hoping so.

 

And sorry about your recent losses......your girlfriend and all.  I predict a bright future for you.  How's that?

Try and stay in the day, or in the moment too......looking for what's good right now.  And finding what you like about yourself even.......why you will be a great catch for that next girlfriend........and sorry, if that is premature if you still really miss your past girlfriend.  You do have a long life ahead of you though I expect, with many adventures.

 

And yes, I'm doing well now.  I. am. doing. well.  Recovered, almost fully healed........I mean maybe I am fully healed.........doing good, thanks for asking( you did somewhere).

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

I believe I will recover it’s just hard. I hope you’re right. And the gf thing is sad still - however I have no emotions but sadness does come around. And I’m not thinking about future girlfriends anytime soon while I’m like this. Especially with the sexual issues. It’s quite frustrating and scary. 
 

 

and when you say 

12 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

I don't like your current symptoms

You think 1MG of fluoxetine could help a lot with these?  I get worried to reinstate because I had small windows - so I don’t want reinstatement to mess me up more.

 

 

I am starting to think it’s withdrawal from escitalopram I took for a month. But once again unsure. All up in the air.

[Altostrata]

It is kind of kostakonkordia to give you pointers about treating your gut problems, but we have told you repeatedly to join specialized peer groups so you can get a more well-rounded view of what you might do. Each person needs a different approach.

 

On 12/27/2021 at 8:27 AM, OptimisticRP said:

@Altostrata. @Kiasofia I think a month and 2 weeks into this, I have a window ? I am not as nauseous and I’m able to eat easier. I am unsure! I also been sleeping way easier. 

 

On 1/24/2022 at 6:31 AM, OptimisticRP said:

Yes, I’ve re read my whole thread before. Is it too late to reinstate the Prozac now? And also, I had a 10 day window a week ago, so I’m unsure if I should just ride this wave out. But nervous this wave won’t go away. 

 

It appears to me that you have had windows indicating an improved stage in your withdrawal syndrome but you do not have the patience to let yourself heal and want to take more drugs to push it along.

 

Strongly recommend you engage a therapist to help you manage health anxiety. See Health anxiety, hypochondria, and obsession with symptoms

 

As this is a site for going off drugs, we're very reluctant to suggest additional drugs. We've already reviewed potential reinstatement of 1mg Prozac. Please read this topic from the beginning.

 

If we thought low-dose lithium was a good idea, we would have suggested it. I personally would not believe anyone who says they have a protocol for antidepressant withdrawal syndrome that does not start with low-dose reinstatement of the offending drug. But that's just me, I'm not that much of a drug shopper.

 

On 1/22/2022 at 5:15 PM, OptimisticRP said:

^ Also, if I take 2-4 MG if Valium as needed for the anxiety and 10-20 MG propanalol for the adrenaline dumps, will that hinder my recovery ? Or make it take longer ? 
 

I know you guys said in the past to look out for inter dose  withdrawal 

 

 @Kiasofia

 

It's not such a great idea to get dependent on a benzo for withdrawal syndrome, from which you appear to be recovering naturally.

 

You will be able to find doctors who will be happy to prescribe low-dose lithium or a benzo or whatever for your situation. If you do this, please take any questions or problems you have with their treatment to them, not to us. 

 

Let us know when you want assistance tapering. Thank you.

[OptimisticRP]

34 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

It appears to me that you have had windows indicating an improved stage in your withdrawal syndrome but you do not have the patience to let yourself heal and want to take more drugs to push it along.

Yeah, I went from a window to a bad wave. It feels worse than before, I think induced by starting school and stress. It’s hard to be patient. I’m trying my best alto. I’m sorry, I wish I never took these medicines. I see a therapist already weekly. Seeing her tomorrow. 

 

i have diazepam but I don’t use it. Only rarely. 

 

I only take magnesium, I am going to add fish oils soon.

 

 

it’s the uncertainty 

36 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

start with low-dose reinstatement of the offending drug. But that's just me, I'm not that much of a drug shopper.

I agree with this, however I am unsure which drug is the offending drug for me. Because I had no real issues with any of the drugs after getting used to them besides Zoloft and citalopram - problems only occurred after discontinuation of citalopram. And 1 month or two after stopping Escitalopram. Which makes me believe that’s what caused it. But then it’s all a mystery. 
 

 

38 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

We've already reviewed potential reinstatement of 1mg Prozac. Please read this topic from the beginning.

I read it over, I am just afraid it could make me worse. I’m already hanging on by a thread. 
 

 

I appreciate you Alto more than you’ll ever know. This website keeps me hopeful, I spend a lot of time reading success stories. 
 

I have been keeping track of my symptoms which seem to be the same throughout. 
 

Is there research being done on this stuff ? To possible help us in the future ? 
 

i have been reaching out to celebrities and millionaires and billionaires and I actually got a response from Mark Cuban and he said “it’s not my expertise sorry”  

 

I don’t even want my life back, I just want a life back. 
 

 

I read through a lot of stuff on this website, I am gonna add some of the recommended supplements one at a time. 
 

The hard part is I’m in school and my parents understand  and it’s just rough I lost my girlfriend and I’m afraid of the unknown.  
 

I just wish I could know I’d be okay. 
 

Alto, you are a walking angel. I hope to be like you one day and help as many as you do. 
 

 

I plan on trying acupuncture and I am gonna stop talking about the gut  problems and get a test. 
 

 

Thank you for the work you do.  I trust you. And I’m gonna try to accept it.

 
 

sending good vibes everyone’s way ❤️

[ChessieCat]

8 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

I am gonna add some of the recommended supplements one at a time. 

 

The only supplements which SA recommends are magnesium and omega 3 fish oil.  You are already taking magnesium and plan to take fish oil.

 

Q:  So which supplement/s are you thinking of trying other than these two?

 

7 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

I only take magnesium, I am going to add fish oils soon.

[ChessieCat]

9 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

Is there research being done on this stuff ?

 

From journals and scientific sources

[Altostrata]

I'm not so much an angel but I really really want you to start to solve your own problems, and part of that is learning patience. Did you talk about mindfulness coaching with your therapist?

 

What are you doing for exercise?

[OptimisticRP]

21 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

So which supplement/s are you thinking of trying other than these two?

I plan on seeing the doctor again who said I had leaky gut and taking some of those to help my stomach. 
 

possibly - NAC  or gluthione and lithium orate 5 MG 

 

and I take melatonin when falling asleep is difficult. 

 

May add whey protein to get more Calories in. 
 

and I may also add arginine to see if it’ll help my PSSD. But I am only gonna add 1 at a time. And go slow. Looking for small wins to become more functional. 

33 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Did you talk about mindfulness coaching with your therapist?

Before medicine and on - I have done over 300 hours of mediation and mindfulness and yet it is so hard  to stay present. But yes, we are gonna continue to work on it. The Brain fog makes it so difficult to focus on the breath and be still. 
 

 

37 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

What are you doing for exercise?

I am gonna start walking or stretching soon, I may start pelvic floor therapy with a PT. I have stopped my exercise  because it made me more stimulated at first. Also, I try to exercise only when I’ve eaten enough to make sure I don’t lose weight.  Which is random some days I can eat and some days I can’t.  And you are an Angel if you want to believe it or not think about all the people you’ve helped. 

 

And yes, I cried to my parents today and they kinda understood. And that’s comforting and lowers my stress. 

I am gonna try to make a routine so I can try to stay consistent but everyday is really hard. But I thank you so much.  
 

 

[Altostrata]

5 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said:

possibly - NAC  or gluthione and lithium orate 5 MG 

 

This is not a gut repair regimen. Strongly suggest you stop taking random supplements.