Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted May 10, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 10, 2022 16 hours ago, TreeFrog said: The physical sensations and feeling of anxiety seem to be intensifying steadily (e.g., I haven't typically been anxious overnight before). I guess they are not unbearable, since I am bearing them, but it's very hard. If I am in a kindling reaction to the citalopram reinstatement, what is the best course of action? It could just be a wave that settles down in time. And it could be an uptick in symptoms due to battle fatigue. Feeling sick and rundown can make what we used to be able to handle much more difficult, even if the symptom itself really hasn't changed. It's like carrying a 10-pound weight at the beginning of a marathon. It's not that heavy the first few miles but by the 15th or the 20th mile, it feels like a ton. But it's still a 10-pound weight. Your sleep seems to be mostly in the 7 or 8 hour range, which is excellent. Your use of non-drug coping skills is also impressive. I would continue holding a bit longer and do as much self-care as you can and see if the symptoms settle down some. Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Shep said: Your sleep seems to be mostly in the 7 or 8 hour range, which is excellent. Your use of non-drug coping skills is also impressive. I did the math, Shep, and since I went up to 18.5 mg of trazodone 11 days ago, I've been averaging a bit over 6.5 hours a night, with a 4 hour night thrown in. It's been deteriorating over the past few days though. So not terrible, but not my norm, that's for sure. I'm applying the coping skills as best I can. It's really all I have to lean on right now. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 May 9: awake for 30?" during night but back to sleep; mild night sweats; about 7 hours of sleep; anxiety 6-7/10 7 am: awake; got up; anxiety 7-8/10 8:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; anxiety 9-10/10 9 am: counselling session; anxiety to 6-7/10 10:30 am: anxiety 8-9/10 noon: walk with friend; anxiety 7-8/10 2:30 pm: lunch; anxiety 6-7/10 4:30 pm: physio appointment; anxiety 5-6/10 6 pm: dinner; enzymes 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg 10:25 pm: lights out May 10: 3:45 am: awake; eventually back to sleep; mild night sweats; about 6 hours of sleep 6 am: awake; dozed a bit; anxiety 5-6/10 7 am: got up; anxiety 6-7/10 9 am: anxiety 7-8/10 I am still combining 1/8 of a 50 mg trazodone (6.25 mg) with 6 mg of the liquid I made...not sure how accurate the dosing is though. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted May 11, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 4/29/2022 at 11:24 AM, TreeFrog said: April 23: 4.5 hours sleep April 24: 7 hours sleep April 25: 3 hours sleep April 26: 6 hours sleep April 27: 7 hours sleep April 28: 3 hours sleep On 5/5/2022 at 12:03 PM, TreeFrog said: about 8.5 hours of sleep On 5/6/2022 at 1:38 PM, TreeFrog said: about 8 hours of sleep On 5/7/2022 at 2:23 PM, TreeFrog said: about 6.5 hours of sleep On 5/8/2022 at 4:29 PM, TreeFrog said: about 4 hours of sleep On 5/9/2022 at 2:33 PM, TreeFrog said: about 7 hours of sleep; @TreeFrogI'm not sure your sleep is getting worse. You're getting some 7 and 8 hour nights. It looks like you're stuck in a pattern of good night / bad night, which over time, can definitely make you feel like it's worse, especially if the sleep quality isn't good. Please note that the good night / bad night pattern is extremely common during withdrawal. It's exhausting, but nothing out of the ordinary. 8 hours ago, TreeFrog said: I am still combining 1/8 of a 50 mg trazodone (6.25 mg) with 6 mg of the liquid I made...not sure how accurate the dosing is though. 1/8 of 50 mg is 6.25 mg and you're also taking 6 mg in liquid, which totals 12.25 mg. But your signature and daily notes say you're taking 18.5 mg. Sorry, I may not be reading this right. Please clarify the total amount you're taking. Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, Shep said: Please note that the good night / bad night pattern is extremely common during withdrawal. It's exhausting, but nothing out of the ordinary. Thanks for pointing that out, Shep! That is very reassuring. 27 minutes ago, Shep said: 1/8 of 50 mg is 6.25 mg and you're also taking 6 mg in liquid, which totals 12.25 mg. But your signature and daily notes say you're taking 18.5 mg. Sorry, I may not be reading this right. Please clarify the total amount you're taking. Sorry for the confusion...I am taking 1/8 of a 50 mg tablet, which is 6.25 mg, and about 6 ml of liquid. I made up the liquid in a 2:1 ratio, so there are 2 mg of trazodone in each ml. (A 50 mg tablet dissolved in 25 ml of water). TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted May 11, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 hours ago, TreeFrog said: Sorry for the confusion...I am taking 1/8 of a 50 mg tablet, which is 6.25 mg, and about 6 ml of liquid. I made up the liquid in a 2:1 ratio, so there are 2 mg of trazodone in each ml. (A 50 mg tablet dissolved in 25 ml of water). Thanks, TreeFrog. So 6.25 mg in tablet form and 6 mL liquid with 2 mg in each mL, which is 12 mg. So the total dose is 18.25 mg. But you have 18.5 mg in your signature and daily notes (not 18.25 mg). If you're really at 18.25 mg, please adjust your signature and going forward, please add this amount to your daily notes. This is important because your next reduction is a percentage drop off of what you're currently taking. From your earlier post here, you were taking 1/4 the 50 mg tablet for 12.5 mg and 6 mg in liquid (3 mL), which did give you 18.5 mg in total. If you can remember when you switched to cutting your pill into eight pieces (6.25 mg) and increasing your liquid to 6 mL (12 mg), you'll find which date you inadvertently made a reduction from 18.5 mg to 18.25 mg. It's only a 1.36% reduction, but it could explain some of the upticks in symptoms that you mention. Link to comment
Mark840 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Hi TreeFrog, I had been taking duloxetine for 10 years, and I stopped taking gradually (too fast though), and completely stopping in October 2021. There was nausea for a few days. Brain zaps lasted for a long time, but it does not disturb me much. It was well until I got triggered by an insensitive remark that caused me to feel angry for a few weeks. I also had trouble sleeping, because of the anger. I was also sensitive to mild unfriendly comments. I had some nightmares too. Due to sleep deprivation, anger and anxiety, it affected my work. When work issues arose because of my low performance, it compounded my emotional issues (anxiety, anger, etc.). I talked to my therapist, and she suspected it was due to me stopping the drugs. I took it end of January again. The anxiety, anger subsided the following day; however, it caused insomnia, worse sleep problem than before. After being without the 2 drugs (duloxetine, olanzapine) for a few months, there was a personal satisfaction, so I was reluctant to take olanzapine to aid my sleep like before as I wanted to keep it at 1 drug (duloxetine instead of duloxetine and olanzapine). I continued with just duloxetine, which helped to stabilize my mood, but it caused too much sleep deprivation/insomnia, which after a long would make me moody. End of February, I decided to take olanzapine but a very small dose--it did not work, unfortunately. I increased it to the dose I had before--it did not help me anymore with my sleep. After going through so much insomnia, I worried I would deteriorate my health of having about an average of 4 hours sleep; I decided to stop taking all drugs completely end of Februaury; however, to my shock, I could not sleep still--"What is happening to me? Will I never be able to sleep? If I continue like this, I may die of exhausation." For 2 days without drugs, it was like this until I got another drug, mirtazapine. How I got it though was by complaining that my GP suspected it is causing my high blood pressure. The original advice was initially to increase duloxetine dosage to 60 mg from 30 mg. The doctor somehow believes it should aid sleep. For the first time in a long while, I could finally have the typical 7 hours sleep. However, after a long while, I realise I am generally anxious, suspecting to be the absence of duloxetine and olanzapine drugs. A few times the feelings were so intense and lasted for a long while, like how I felt before. I seem to be sensitive to minor issues. Often I am tempted to experiment to reinstate the old drugs, but after reflecting it, since it caused insomnia, and a long time had passed since I last took it now, I concluded I cannot afford to be sick or experience new withdrawal symptoms because of my difficult work. I decided to manage my feelings or withdrawal effects instead. The benefits I gain though, are lower blood pressure and no weight gain. However, I would prefer to have my old self when I was on these two drugs. I regret I did not know about withdrawal symptoms at that time. Sep-Dec '12: Cymbalta (60mg), Zyprexa (1.25 mg), Lexappo (5 mg), Wellbutrin SR (150mg); Dec '12-Apr '13: Lithium Carbonate Tab (150mg), Wellbutrin SR (150mg), Rivotril (1mg); May '13-Feb '15: no record; Mar '15-Aug '21: Cymbalta (60mg), Seroquel XR (50mg), Rivotril Tab (0.5mg); Jul-Sep '21: switched from private to government psychiatrist who changed my drugs to Cymbalta (60mg), Quentiapine (50mg)(IR); however, Quentiapine (50mg)(IR) led me to poor sleep; Oct '21: Due to poor sleep, I requested Cymbalta (60mg), Olanzapine (2.5mg), Rivotril Tab (0.5mg, when needed) Critial Stage: Nov '21-Jan '22: ceased drugs voluntarily in Nov '21. No major issue an offensive remark triggered my anger. Anger was intense and lasted unusually long. End of Jan-Feb '22: Doctor reinstated me with Cymbalta (30mg) only on 29 Jan '22. However; without Olanzapine (2.5mg), it caused poor sleep; End of Feb-Jun '22: after too much poor sleep, doctor replaced Cymbalta (30 mg) with Remeron (15 mg); Jul '22: attempted to tapper off slowly by 10% of last dose. It resulted in weird dreams and poor sleep; Aug-17 Nov '22: Resumed exactly 15 mg. My sleep restorerd and no more weird dreams; 17 Nov-11 Dec '22: Started to wake up after 2-4 hours of sleep for unknown reason; 12 Dec '22-May 23: 3-6 hous of sleep, partly due to work stress; Jun-Aug '23: 3.5 to 4.5 hours hours of sleep; Sep '23-present: take mirtazapine in morning and it resolves my insomnia. Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Shep said: If you can remember when you switched to cutting your pill into eight pieces (6.25 mg) and increasing your liquid to 6 mL (12 mg), you'll find which date you inadvertently made a reduction from 18.5 mg to 18.25 mg. 3 hours ago, Shep said: If you're really at 18.25 mg, please adjust your signature and going forward, please add this amount to your daily notes. This is important because your next reduction is a percentage drop off of what you're currently taking. This is one thing I don't have good notes for, but here's what I did, as best I can recall, with reference to the instruction to switch from tablets to liquid gradually: April 29 to May 1: 1/4 tablet (12.5 mg) and 3 ml liquid (6 mg) May 2 to May 4: 1/8 tablet (6.25 mg) and about 6 ml liquid (12 to 12.25 mg) (I try and add a bit more than 6 ml to the syringe) May 5 to May 7: 9.25 ml liquid (18.5 mg) May 8, 9 and 10: 1/8 tablet (6.25 mg) and about 6 ml liquid (12 to 12.25 mg) It's not possible to achieve 1/2 tablet (~9 mg) and 1/2 liquid, so I went from 2/3 tablet and 1/3 liquid directly to 1/3 tablet and 2/3 liquid. I went back to 1/8 tablet and 6 ml liquid on May 8? because it felt like I wasn't getting as much of a dose, in terms of the sedating effect I would typically feel (and because I had a 4 hour night the night before). In any case, it's not possible to cut the tablet into 1/8s very accurately, so I'm not really confident of the precision of this dosing. I'm also not totally confident in how much trazodone I'm actually getting via the liquid, even though it's easier to measure with the syringe. Bottom line, I'm not sure exactly how much I'm taking; though it's close to 18.5 mg, I'm not sure what it actually is. What would you suggest, Shep? 3 hours ago, Shep said: It's only a 1.36% reduction, but it could explain some of the upticks in symptoms that you mention. Do you mean the anxiety? TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Mark840 said: I regret I did not know about withdrawal symptoms at that time. I feel the same way, Mark840, and I'm sorry I followed my psychiatrist's advice when I "tapered." Wishing us both healing and recovery! 1 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 May 10: 3:45 am: awake; eventually back to sleep; mild night sweats; about 6 hours of sleep 6 am: awake; dozed a bit; anxiety 5-6/10 7 am: got up; anxiety 6-7/10 9 am: anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg 10 am: CBT class 11 am: anxiety 6-7/10 1:30 pm: lunch; anxiety 5-6/10 5 pm: protein shake; anxiety 6-7/10 7:15 pm: dinner; enzymes; anxiety 5-6/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5? mg 10:20 pm: lights out May 11: 6 am: awake; dozed off again; moderate night sweats; about 7.5 hours sleep 7:10: awake again; got up; moderate "stunned" feeling; anxiety 5-6/10 8 am: anxiety 6-7/10 I should mention that I went back to 1 cup of caffeinated black tea in the morning on May 9, so this morning was day 3 of that. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 12, 2022 Administrator Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 6:30 PM, TreeFrog said: I take the citalopram at 9:30 am. Before that, I feel anxiety as soon as I'm awake, and the anxiety level continues to rise before I take the citalopram. After I take the citalopram, between 9:30 and noon over the past week, I felt more anxiety four days, less anxiety two days (possibly due to meditation and abdominal breathing and/or a nap) and the same level of anxiety one day. So I don't always feel more anxiety afterward. When I do, the physical sensations (buzzing in my chest, heat in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands) intensify and I often feel more mental distress, almost panicky, which I think may be a reaction to the anxiety itself and the thoughts that go with it. Please be sure to include your observations of the physical sensations in your daily notes. 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted May 12, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 12, 2022 20 hours ago, TreeFrog said: In any case, it's not possible to cut the tablet into 1/8s very accurately, so I'm not really confident of the precision of this dosing. I'm also not totally confident in how much trazodone I'm actually getting via the liquid, even though it's easier to measure with the syringe. Bottom line, I'm not sure exactly how much I'm taking; though it's close to 18.5 mg, I'm not sure what it actually is. What would you suggest, Shep? You may want to go back to the way you started out - you were taking 1/4 the 50 mg tablet for 12.5 mg and 6 mg in liquid (3 mL), which did give you 18.5 mg in total. That was only about 10 or 11 days ago. You were getting a more reliable dose that way. Or you may want to slowly transition all the way over to liquid. If you wish to do this, please post and I can walk you through that. I would go back to the 1/4 pill method and stabilize a bit first (which you'll want to do either way). Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Altostrata said: Please be sure to include your observations of the physical sensations in your daily notes. The physical sensations don't really vary, just their intensity. So whenever my notes say "anxiety" at a specific level of intensity, I was feeling the following physical sensations: buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands (with or without an accompanying reaction of fear and aversion). So perhaps in my notes I can restate the physical sensations up front for reference, but when the notes say "anxiety", it means I felt those sensations, unless stated otherwise? TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Shep said: I would go back to the 1/4 pill method and stabilize a bit first (which you'll want to do either way). Thanks, Shep; I'll start doing that tonight. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 "Anxiety" below means the physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands, unless stated otherwise. May 11: 6 am: awake; dozed off again; moderate night sweats; about 7.5 hours sleep 7:10: awake again; got up; moderate "stunned" feeling; anxiety 5-6/10 8 am: anxiety 6-7/10 9 am: phone appointment with psychiatrist; anxiety 5-6/10 9:45 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg 10:30 am: anxiety 6-7/10 1:15 pm: lunch 3:20 pm: doctor appointment; anxiety 5-6/10 4:30 pm: protein shake 6:30 pm: dinner; enzymes; anxiety 4-5/10 9:40 pm: trazodone ~18.5 mg (~1/8 tablet and 6.1 ml liquid) 10:15 pm: lights out May 12: 4? am: awake; read til 5:20 am then lights out again; moderate night sweats; about 6 hours sleep 7:20 am: awake; got up; anxiety 6-7/10 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 12, 2022 Administrator Share Posted May 12, 2022 7 hours ago, TreeFrog said: The physical sensations don't really vary, just their intensity. So whenever my notes say "anxiety" at a specific level of intensity, I was feeling the following physical sensations: buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands (with or without an accompanying reaction of fear and aversion). So perhaps in my notes I can restate the physical sensations up front for reference, but when the notes say "anxiety", it means I felt those sensations, unless stated otherwise? I see. So you are experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Do you feel better or worse after you take citalopram? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, Altostrata said: Do you feel better or worse after you take citalopram? Usually I feel worse. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 12: 4? am: awake; read til 5:20 am then lights out again; moderate night sweats; about 6 hours sleep 7:20 am: awake; got up; anxiety 6-7/10 8:30 am: anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg 10 am: meditation practice; anxiety 6-7/10 11 am: outing with friend; anxiety 5-6/10 1 pm: lunch 2 pm: home; anxiety 6-7/10 2:30 pm: nap; slept ~1.5 hours 4:30 pm: got up; anxiety 5-6/10 5 pm: talked to my mother on the phone; anxiety 7-8/10 with emotional upset 6 pm: walk with neighbour; anxiety 6-7/10 7 pm: dinner; enzymes; anxiety 5-6/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:15 pm: lights out 10:45 pm: tylenol 500 mg for low back pain May 13: 7:10 am: awake; got up; anxiety 5-6/10; heavy night sweats; about 7.5 hours sleep 8 am: anxiety 6-7/10 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 13, 2022 Administrator Share Posted May 13, 2022 I don't know why we're having this exchange. Probably 15mg citalopram is too much, as we've discussed extensively. Your history is one of frequent drug changes. This is too hard to follow. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 13: 7:10 am: awake; got up; anxiety 5-6/10; heavy night sweats; about 7.5 hours sleep 8 am: anxiety 6-7/10 9 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: citalopram 15 mg 10:30 am: anxiety 6-7/10 1:15 pm: lunch 2 pm: walk with friend; anxiety 5-6/10 4 pm: anxiety 6-7/10; with emotional upset 5 pm: tylenol 500 mg for low back pain 6:30 pm: dinner; enzymes; anxiety 5-6/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:25 pm: tylenol 500 mg and ibuprofen 400 mg for low back pain; lights out May 14: 6 am: awake; dozed a bit; anxiety 6-7/10; heavy night sweats; about 6.5 hours sleep 7:20 am: got up 8 am: anxiety 7-8/10; depression 5/10 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 14: 6 am: awake; dozed a bit; anxiety 6-7/10; heavy night sweats; about 6.5 hours sleep 7:20 am: got up 8 am: anxiety 7-8/10; depression 7/10 (i.e., heavy, dull, apathetic sensations with feelings of loneliness) 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg 10:30 am: laid down; dozed off a bit 11:30 am: got up 1 pm: lunch with friend; anxiety 6-7/10 2 pm: anxiety 8-9/10 3:30 pm: naproxen 440 mg for low back pain; anxiety 6-7/10 4:30 pm: depression 9/10 5 pm: anxiety 7-8/10 6:45 pm: dinner; anxiety 6-7/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:25 pm: tylenol 500 mg and ibuprofen 400 mg for low back pain; lights out May 15: 6 am: awake; dozed a bit; anxiety 6-7/10; mild night sweats; about 7 hours sleep 7:20 am: got up 8 am: anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg; anxiety 8-9/10 10:30 am: laid down; dozed off a bit; anxiety 6-7/10 noon: got up; anxiety 7-8/10; depression 5/10 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 15: 6 am: awake; dozed a bit; anxiety 6-7/10; mild night sweats; about 7 hours sleep 7:20 am: got up 8 am: anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg; anxiety 8-9/10 10:30 am: laid down; dozed off a bit; anxiety 6-7/10 noon: got up; anxiety 7-8/10; depression 5/10 1 pm: lunch; anxiety 9-10/10 1:45 pm: visit from friend 3 pm: to shelter; anxiety 7-8/10; depression 2/10 5:30 pm: home; anxiety 9-10/10; depression 5/10 7 pm: dinner; enzymes; anxiety 7-8/10 9 pm: tylenol 500 mg and ibuprofen 400 mg for low back pain 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:25 pm: lights out; anxiety 6-7/10 May 16: 6 am: awake; dozed off; heavy night sweats; 8 hours sleep 8 am: got up; anxiety 6-7/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg; anxiety 7-8/10 10 am: anxiety 8-9/10 11 am: tylenol 500 mg and ibuprofen 400 mg 1:30 pm: protein shake; anxiety 9-10/10 2 pm: anxiety 8-9/10; with emotional distress 4 pm: anxiety 7-8/10 7 pm: dinner; enzymes; anxiety 6-7/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10 pm: tylenol 500 mg and ibuprofen 400 mg 10:20 pm: lights out May 17: 3:45 am: awake 4:15 am: got up and read; anxiety 6-7/10 5:15 am: back to bed; anxiety 7-8/10 6:15 am: got up TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 Having a big wave of anxiety the past 3-4 days, and today has been brutal...just wondering if the tylenol and/or ibuprofen could be contributing to it? TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just had a look at the topic on painkillers in withdrawal. It seemed a bit inconclusive but I noticed that since I added in ibuprofen symptoms have gotten worse. I'm going to try a couple days without either Tylenol or Ibuprofen and see if anything else changes. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted May 18, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 18, 2022 10 hours ago, TreeFrog said: Just had a look at the topic on painkillers in withdrawal. It seemed a bit inconclusive but I noticed that since I added in ibuprofen symptoms have gotten worse. I'm going to try a couple days without either Tylenol or Ibuprofen and see if anything else changes. Yes, the over-the-counter (OTC) meds are a hit or a miss with folks going through withdrawal. If you're able to cope with heat or cold packs and distraction, it will give you a chance to see if you're better with or without adding in pain meds. Please let us know how you do. Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 I went for physiotherapy today and the physio thinks my low back pain is due to an inflamed sacroiliac joint. I have an appointment with my family doctor tomorrow and I think it's possible that he will want to prescribe a stronger NSAID than ibuprofen (probably celecoxib/Celebrex) to try and bring down the inflammation (and therefore the pain). I did a drug interactions check on celecoxib and was concerned by what I read for both citalopram and trazodone: Coadministration with celecoxib may increase the plasma concentrations of drugs that are substrates of the CYP450 2D6 isoenzyme. The mechanism is decreased clearance due to inhibition of CYP450 2D6 activity by celecoxib. Caution is advised if celecoxib must be used concurrently with medications that undergo metabolism by CYP450 2D6, particularly those with a narrow therapeutic range. Dosage adjustments as well as clinical and laboratory monitoring may be appropriate for some drugs whenever celecoxib is added to or withdrawn from therapy. That doesn't sound like something I want to add to the mix right now. As far as I can tell, the other NSAID options are naproxen and ketorolac; neither have that type of drug interaction with citalopram or trazodone (though both naproxen and ketorolac plus citalopram increases the risk of bleeding). I searched the site for references to celecoxib, naproxen and ketorolac. I saw a comment about celecoxib affecting AD plasma levels, and that some members have had bad experiences with naproxen, but nothing much about ketorolac. Maybe the best option for now? Either that, or just grit my teeth (even more)! TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 19, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 19, 2022 When I took celecoxib it gave me an upset stomach, even taking it with food. The doctor then prescribed meloxicam and gave me 7.5mg to take twice a day (with food) instead of 15mg once a day. Of course do a drug interaction check like you did for the celecoxib. Heath has been using turmeric: Recently he has been taking the brand that his friend takes: qunol extra strength turmeric 1000 mg. https://www.qunol.com/products/qunol-turmeric-extra-strength-superior-absorption-1000mg-60-servings-120-count https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/4-supplements-as-powerful-as-drugs On 11/14/2021 at 2:04 PM, Heath said: I have low back pain too. Was recommended surgery by one dr 20 years ago but haven’t done it . I take turmeric some. I need to take it more instead of Celebrex. A friend of mine uses turmeric only for his pain. There are a few documents saying that it is as good as anti inflammatories. I’ve tried some that didn’t work so good. I use Terry’s brand. My friend swears by qunol brand. You just have to research and try different ones. Sounds like you have a good dr if she recommended turmeric! How are you doing ? * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 Thanks, ChessieCat. Both meloxicam and turmeric sound like good options. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 17: 3:45 am: awake 4:15 am: got up and read; anxiety 6-7/10 5:15 am: back to bed; anxiety 7-8/10 6:15 am: got up; moderate night sweats; about 4.5 hours sleep 7 am: anxiety 8-9/10 8 am: anxiety 9-10/10; with a lot of emotional distress 9 am: guided meditation; anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg 10 am: CBT class; anxiety 9-10/10; a lot of emotional distress 12:30 pm: lunch 1 pm: anxiety 8-9/10 1:30 pm: meeting with volunteer supervisor; anxiety 6-7/10 4 pm: back home; anxiety 8-9/10 7 pm: dinner; enzymes 9:30 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:10 pm: lights out; anxiety 5-6/10 May 18: 5 am: awake; dozed a bit 6:45 am: got up; heavy night sweats; about 6.5 hours sleep; anxiety 7-8/10 9 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; anxiety 8-9/10 9:30 am: citalopram 15 mg; anxiety 7-8/10; at physio appointment 10:30 am: anxiety 8-9/10 1 pm: anxiety 6-7/10 2 pm: lunch 3 pm: laid down; anxiety 5-6/10 5:30 pm: tylenol 500 mg for low back pain 6:30 pm: dinner; anxiety 4-5/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:16 pm: lights out May 19: 6 am: awake; moderate night sweats; 7 hours sleep 6:40: got up; anxiety 6-7/10 8:30 am: anxiety 8-9/10 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 19: 6 am: awake; moderate night sweats; 7 hours sleep 6:40: got up; anxiety 6-7/10 8:30 am: anxiety 8-9/10 9:30 am: breakfast; digestive enzymes; citalopram 15 mg 10 am: anxiety 7-8/10 11:30 am: anxiety 6-7/10; toast 2 pm: lunch; anxiety 5-6/10 6:45 pm: dinner; arthrotec 75 mg (diclofenac/misoprostol) for low back pain; anxiety 6-7/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:05 pm: lights out May 20: 5 am: awake; anxiety 6-7/10; dozed a bit; mild night sweats; about 7 hours sleep 6:45 am: got up 8 am: anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; citalopram 15 mg 10 am: anxiety 6-7/10 11 am: anxiety 5-6/10 noon: toast 3 pm: lunch 5 pm: anxiety 6-7/10 6:30 pm: dinner; arthrotec 75 mg 8 pm: anxiety 7-8/10 9:35 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:05 pm: lights out; anxiety 6-7/10 May 21: 5:30 am: awake; anxiety 6-7/10; back to sleep; mild night sweats; over 8 hours sleep 7:20 am: awake; got up; moderate "stunned" feeling TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 I saw my family doctor on Thursday and he wound up prescribing arthrotec for the low back pain. It's a combination of diclofenac and misoprostol (intended to protect the stomach lining). Hoping for a reduction in the pain level soon; it's a solid 7-8/10 for most of the day and I'm now very limited in what I can do. Walking is out; standing or sitting for any length of time is painful. Lying down is the best. Doing my best to cultivate acceptance of this latest affliction. TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 22, 2022 Author Share Posted May 22, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 21: 5:30 am: awake; anxiety 6-7/10; back to sleep; mild night sweats; over 8 hours sleep 7:20 am: awake; got up; moderate "stunned" feeling for ~1 hour 9 am: anxiety 7-8/10 9:30 am: breakfast; citalopram 15 mg 1:30 pm: lunch; anxiety 5-6/10 2:30 pm: nap ~45 minutes 3:30 pm: got up 4:45 pm: chat with neighbour; anxiety 7-8/10 5 pm: called mother 6:30 pm: dinner; arthrotec; anxiety 6-7/10 9:40 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:25 pm: lights out; anxiety 5-6/10 May 22: 6:30 am: awake; anxiety 4-5/10; minimal night sweats; about 7.5 hours sleep 6:45 am: got up; moderate "stunned" feeling for ~1 hour 8 am: anxiety 5-6/10 9 am: breakfast 9:30 am: citalopram 15 mg TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 23, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 23, 2022 Hi TreeFrog, Your drug signature is very long and it takes up a lot of room on the screen. Please condense it by using this method. Start with the year so you don't have to repeat it. Abbreviate the month to the first 3 letters; eg Apr You could use a v for decrease and a ^ (above the number 6) for increase so you don't have to use the word You can omit the word "to" Omit the space between the dose and the mg, eg 50 mg --> 50mg You could abbreviate, except the first time it is used, citalopram to cit and trazodone to traz Instead of using a line for every entry separate them with a semi colon This: March 31, 2022: Increased trazodone to 37.5 mg April 3, 2022: Increased trazodone to 50 mg April 6, 2022: Increased citalopram to 10 mg April 13, 2022: Increased citalopram to 15 mg April 15, 2022: Decreased trazodone to 37.5 mg April 20, 2022: Decreased trazodone to 25 mg April 23, 2022: Decreased trazodone to 12.5 mg April 29, 2022: Increased trazodone to 18.5 mg becomes: 2022: ... add the others in here Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 "Anxiety" at 6-7/10 and up gives physical sensations of buzzing/quivering in my chest, heat and clenching in my gut, gripping in my throat, weakness in my legs and arms and hands. At 5-6/10 and less, it is a mild to moderate "buzzing" feeling throughout my body; unless otherwise noted. May 22: 6:30 am: awake; anxiety 4-5/10; minimal night sweats; about 7.5 hours sleep 6:45 am: got up; moderate "stunned" feeling for ~1 hour 8 am: anxiety 5-6/10 9 am: breakfast 9:30 am: citalopram 15 mg 11:30 am: depression 4/10 noon: tylenol 500 mg; anxiety 6-7/10 2 pm: lunch 2:30 pm: shopping and volunteer shift at shelter; anxiety 5-6/10; depression 0/10 7 pm: dinner; arthrotec 9:30 pm: trazodone 18.5 mg (1/4 tablet and 3 ml liquid) 10:05 pm: lights out; anxiety 5-6/10 May 23: 7:20 am: awake; anxiety 5-6/10; mild night sweats; about 8.5 hours sleep 7:30 am: got up; moderate "stunned" feeling for ~1 hour 8 am: anxiety 6-7/10 9:30 am: breakfast; citalopram 15 mg; depression 7/10 10 am: tylenol 500 mg TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 24, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 24, 2022 Thank you for editing your drug signature. It is much better. To make it more condensed I've bolded the years and brought the relevant text up to same line (no changes made to text). I have also added a Key to the top line. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
TreeFrog Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ChessieCat said: Thank you for editing your drug signature. It is much better. To make it more condensed I've bolded the years and brought the relevant text up to same line (no changes made to text). I have also added a Key to the top line. Thank you, ChessieCat 1 TreeFrog Key: v = decrease; ^ = increase 2008: started citalopram 2019-2020: trazodone: Sept 16-July 31 2021: Nov 6 v cit 15mg; Nov 12 v cit 10mg; Nov 24 switched to duloxetine 30mg; Dec 8 ^ dulox 60mg 2022: Jan 16 v dulox 30mg; Jan 31 skipped dulox doses; Feb 11 stopped dulox; Mar 20 reinstated dulox 1.9mg; Mar 26 v dulox 1.15mg; Mar 28 started traz 25mg; Mar 29 stopped dulox, started cit 5mg; Mar 31 ^ traz 37.5mg; Apr 3 ^ traz 50mg; Apr 6 ^ cit 10mg; Apr 13 ^ cit 15mg; Apr 15 v traz 37.5mg; Apr 20 v traz 25mg; Apr 23 v traz 12.5mg; Apr 29 ^ traz 18.5mg; Jun 23 v traz 16.5mg; Jul 1 ^ traz 18.5mg; Nov 3 v traz 17.5mg; Dec 20 v traz 15.75mg 2023: Jan 12 v 14mg traz; Jan 28 v 12.5mg traz Link to comment
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