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https://news.sky.com/story/antidepressants-called-into-question-as-researchers-find-no-convincing-evidence-depression-is-caused-by-chemical-imbalance-12655342
 

I read this on sky news this morning and was both delighted and shocked that the misinformation was finally being projected on a platform with a big viewership. 
 

Abstract:

 

“Many antidepressants might not be treating the condition, because they are being used to correct a cause of depression that doesn't actually exist, new research has suggested. 

 

A new review of existing studies concludes that the "chemical imbalance" theory of depression, in particular low levels of serotonin, does not stand up to scrutiny. Serotonin is a chemical transmitter that appears to play a role in governing mood and emotions.


Most antidepressants are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), and were originally said to work by correcting abnormally low serotonin levels.

 

However the umbrella study, carried out be researchers at University College London (UCL) and published in Molecular Psychiatry, suggests that depression is not likely caused by a chemical imbalance, and calls into question what antidepressants do.”

 

 

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“Doctors have insisted antidepressants are effective and urged people not to stop taking their medication.”


Thats a very damning statement that could begin to expose the truths behind the whole ‘medicine for profit’ ideals that have been swirling around this community for the past 11 years. 
 

There’s going to be a lot of people in the UK who read this and start to question why they are taking antidepressants.

 

Like they say, there’s no money in healthy people. These medications keep you crawling back for relief from your ‘relapse’ symptoms, keeping these big companies in a tidy annual turnover.

Nothing I say or do is based on medical advice. I make my own choices based on intuition gained through individual research, and a lot of suffering.
 

“The good thing about hitting rock bottom is that the only way out is up.”
 

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55 minutes ago, Erimus said:

“Doctors have insisted antidepressants are effective and urged people not to stop taking their medication.”


Thats a very damning statement that could begin to expose the truths behind the whole ‘medicine for profit’ ideals that have been swirling around this community for the past 11 years. 
 

There’s going to be a lot of people in the UK who read this and start to question why they are taking antidepressants.

 

Like they say, there’s no money in healthy people. These medications keep you crawling back for relief from your ‘relapse’ symptoms, keeping these big companies in a tidy annual turnover.

I agree that’s the first thing I thought of this morning when I heard it on the news that now they are discrediting antidepressants and that the chemical imbalance like low serotonin is not the cause and there is actually no scientific evidence to back this up 

the thing is many people will still come out and say that they have been helped placebo affect maybe but there will as you say a lot of people questioning why they are on them 

but this could cause mayhem as we know many people say they are well on them and will choose to keep on them but if doctors now decide to start cutting back on people who say they feel well and use the poor reduction schedules it could turn very nasty as how many people are actually aware of the serious withdrawal effects that can and do occur doctors are not up to date with this 

but I’m glad it is now being more recognised to many people being handed them for the slightest things these days without the proper warnings 

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Article in today’s Guardian on the same topic. These articles should refer readers to Surviving Anti Depressants so that worried people are well informed. I’m going to suggest to The Guardian they do so. 

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I just read the article on the Guardian. Wow! 
 

“Thousands of people suffer from side-effects of antidepressants, including the severe withdrawal effects that can occur when people try to stop them, yet prescription rates continue to rise. We believe this situation has been driven partly by the false belief that depression is due to a chemical imbalance. It is high time to inform the public that this belief is not grounded in science.”

 

The Royal College of Psychiatrists still seems adamant that antidepressants are good and safe. I don’t know what agenda they’re pushing and why but it’s strange that they are questioning scientific evidence.

 

Modern approaches to mental health are messed up. I have no doubt in my mind about that..

Nothing I say or do is based on medical advice. I make my own choices based on intuition gained through individual research, and a lot of suffering.
 

“The good thing about hitting rock bottom is that the only way out is up.”
 

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I have just sent my letter to the person at The Guardian who wrote an article about this yesterday, urging him to use his voice to draw attention to ADWD. I wonder if I’ll ever hear anything back. 🤞

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Well done @Faure

 

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2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

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The main reason I ended up on these psychiatric drugs was an out-of-the-blue, isolated conversation by an observer who recommended, "I think you should see a Dr". The shock on my part that someone was willing to be that honest with me prompted and jolted an urging to reach out and whilst (as a placebo) you're led to believe that by being "vulnerable" and reaching out is going to relieve you from the dead end you become ensconsed in. This is before you've even started the 10 min questionnaire and the treatment/drugs itself. Little did we know it would lead us down a road to hell unimaginable

 

More and more people are being encouraged "to reach out" and ostensibly excellent, but in reality it is fuelling all these prescriptions. If people had any inclination what actually taking these drugs entailed then they wouldn't touch them with a barge pole

 

My final point is that are all these over-prescriptions going to get people to acknowledge the drugs themselves, but also the root causes within society that are leaving people helpless and despairing? Perhaps that will be some further change down the road with social change

 

Interesting times folks! Stay well and sane

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Oh yes, root causes in society causing problems that many people just aren’t able to live with and most have no agency over. ‘Sedated’ discusses this in quite a lot of detail if you feel like reading it. @Alex3 

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5 hours ago, Faure said:

I have just sent my letter to the person at The Guardian who wrote an article about this yesterday, urging him to use his voice to draw attention to ADWD. I wonder if I’ll ever hear anything back.

Thank you @Faure--You inspired me to do the same.  I sent my response through Marketing.  (For whatever that's worth)

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YES @arbor

woo-hoo!! 

Team SA for the win 

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2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin, approx. 10:30pm

 

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@Faure @arbor @vincent

Y'all are my heroes, thank you for leading by example and inspiring me to action!

 

I've written a letter to Andrew Gregory, Health editor and reporter at The Guardian whose name appears on the byline of this article.

He's got a direct professional email address; if anyone needs it, PM me. 

He also has a twitter handle for those on twitter, in case anyone wants to tweet at him (or whatever it's called). 

 

Based on past articles, Gregory's "health editor" beat seems pretty darn broad (/superficial), covering just about anything and everything.

However, if enough of us write to tell him about SA and WD/ADWD/PWS/PAWS, maybe it'll pique his interest, at least enough to delegate further perhaps. 

Planting seeds, ripples in the water, all that. 

 

Thank you, dear peerless peers, I appreciate you <3

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2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin, approx. 10:30pm

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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I sent a couple of these articles as well as a link to the actual study to my psychiatrist today. Turns out it wasn't necessary as she already knew about it. Apparently it was a Hot topic at their meeting this morning. Seems this study and the attention it's getting really shook things up. Change is coming 😉✌️😺😺😺😺

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I found the professional view to this article pretty balanced - 

 

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-a-review-paper-on-the-serotonin-theory-of-depression/

 

This is the original study - 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0

 

 

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See also this paper from the Moncrieff-Horowitz team, where they hold psychiatry accountable for bad science, e.g. having perpetuated the chemical imbalance myth.

 

 

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2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin, approx. 10:30pm

 

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love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

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Just been watching a debate on the antidepressants theory that serotonin is not the cause of depression a question was asked was that even on a placebo average why do so many people on ads find relief allowing for the placebo effect even people who have tried several medication that they have had no response to find one that actually lifts them out of severe depression and has given them their lives back 

the theory of serotonin has been debunked that’s for sure but the consensus was that they should still be handed as the good out weighs the bad 

I must admit I was on a few antidepressants to start with but they never gave me total relief but then I went on venalaxafine that changed my world for the good it probably saved my life at the time but hitting tolerance was a different story was this a placebo affect after trying the others 

I think the majority of people in this group have found relief in the beginning many have said they only struggled when they started to withdraw and reinstate I know there are many members that have been harmed from just a few pills or a toxic reaction 

as much as I no there is no chemical Inbalance I still can’t understand why so many people are helped by them I have two female friends who are both on them both were in serious depression bouts both took a antidepressant both recovered remarkably got married had kids and still doing so well placebo possibly 

the conversation carried on with some expert claiming that antidepressants have helped far more than they have harm maybe he should come on some of these sites he make think different so I think they will still be handed out for everything 

The point they were making is even if there is no proof that they work on serotonin they work but they still don’t know how but one did say he thought Ssri were not as affected 

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feb 2015 30 mg of citalopram added 

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7 hours ago, Terry4949 said:

I must admit I was on a few antidepressants to start with but they never gave me total relief but then I went on venalaxafine

 

Most ADs are SSRIs.  Venlafaxine is an SNRI.

 

7 hours ago, Terry4949 said:

I still can’t understand why so many people are helped by them

 

The drug numbs their emotions which provides relief. 

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@tsranga First I have to state that I have no politics any more. I agree and disagree with issues on both sides of this crazy fence that has been constructed between 2 halves of a nation. I am a centrist. Always have been always will be so at this point I really don't fit in anywhere. It's one of the many reasons I live in the middle of nowhere and keep to myself outside of this web site. That said, having an ally with a loud voice and a huge audience to get the word out is a useful ally regardless of politics. At least on this particular issue. 😉✌️😺😺😺😺

Current Psychiatric Medications

  1. Paxil 10mg daily (a.m.) 2017 - Present
  2. Carbamazepine 400mg daily (split half a.m. and half p.m.) 2011 - Present
  3. Ativan 1 mg daily as needed  2018 - Present

Recently Stopped Psychiatric Medications

  1. Seroquel - Tapered from 700mg to 0mg From April 2018 to August 2021 - Final Dose 6.25mg - In Recovery

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The fight back from the psychiatric establishment has begun at least in Ireland.  This psychiatrist Prof Patricia Casey is representative of the psychiatric establishment here.   She is a professor of psychiatry, a 'Fellow' of various medical  institutions,  is regularly consulted by the mainstream media and writes an opinion column regularly in one of the Irish broadsheets - The Independent.  Unfortunately I had the misfortune to be treated by her in 1990's - I was never the same afterwards.

 

The paper has a paywall but there is enough there to get the gist of her position which is in the last sentence: -

 

'Creating unnecessary anxiety about antidepressants is not only dangerous, it is unethical.'

 

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/antidepressants-are-a-lifesaver-for-many-and-questioning-their-importance-helps-no-one-41873037.html?fbclid=IwAR239nKrc_FknlxZXd2ObSVA8zSnyD3XKbPUCNi-OolGAXzA3PKLkYuksFw 

 

This woman was at one stage a paid spokesperson for Lundbeck and the drug Citalopram.  There is a particularly sad history associated with this  A woman Leonie Fennell lost her son Shane through this same drug.   Her son was depressed at the loss of a recent relationship.  He was put on the drug by his GP.  Three weeks after having been put on it he killed himself, his erstwhile best friend and stabbed his ex girlfriend in behaviour that was apparently completely out of character.  There was an inquest and an open verdict was recorded after evidence was given by Dr David Healy on the link between Citalopram and violent behaviour. 

 

After the inquest the psychiatrist Patricia Casey showed up on the steps of the courthouse to represent Lundbeck.    The media were assembled.   She had had the neck to ask to speak as an 'amicus curiae' (a friend of the court) but basically it appears that she wanted to give evidence denying that the drug caused violent behaviour.   The coroner declined her request so she showed up after the inquest was over and gave her 'expert' opinion to the media that were standing around outside the courthouse.  She had never met the dead man or treated him but she told the assembled media that it was 'his mental illness' that had caused his homicidal acts not the drug.   She said this to the media having first gone over to Leonie Fennell his mother and shaken her hand.  Ms Fennell was naturally disgusted at Casey's behaviour and she stood up to this psychiatrist fiercely and the College of Psychiatrists for years and attempted for years to publicise the link between SSRI's and violent behaviour.  She has asserted for years that her son's behaviour was completely out of character for him.  I attach her bio below.    Casey threatened her with legal action when she spoke about Casey's behaviour at the inquest (Casey's husband was a senior counsel (in other words very rich lawyer); but Leonie stood up to her stating that 'Patricia Casey can send me as many solicitor's letters as she wants - my son is dead'.  

 

I don't think unfortunately that Leonie Fennell made any impact in this country sadly as it's too wedded to the pharma narrative and there is the unfortunate fact that he killed another person and seriously injured another.  People I would imagine would tend to think 'well she is going to say that she is his mother and mothers defend their children regardless'. Perhaps if he had just killed himself she might have made more impact but it is doubtful.  People don't question the mainstream narrative.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/anti-depressants-to-blame-for-death-mother-says-1.652622

 

https://about.me/leonie.fenne

 

Patricia Casey's views will be listened to unfortunately.   

 

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg June 2018-Feb 2019

Supplements:   Vitamin D3, bio-identical HRT, Vitamin B complex and B12, Selenium,

Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3,

July 2020 - 150mg Seroquel; Sept - December – 2020 tapered Seroquel to 0%

Mirtazapine Taper: 16/08/21 transitioned to liquid from tablet using suspension of maple syrup at starting dose of 7.5mg; 17 Sept 2021 - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51; 1 Jan 2022 - 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55 mg; 8 June 5.50 mg;  1 July 5.4 mg; 15 July 5.32; 

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Here’s something from the Independent about this (paywall removed!)

 

And Moncrieff has written a blog post since the research was published.

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October 2019 - about 4 Nov 6mg Mirtazepine 

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Write-up in The Economist (paywall temporarily waived):

A popular medical explanation for depression is rebuffed

https://econ.st/3cPfPsC

 

Here's a link to Moncrieff and Horowitz' (and others') original paper (currently open access):

The serotonin theory of depression: a systematic umbrella review of the evidence

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0

 

 

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2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

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Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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Good work @Oaktree1, @Faure, and @Ariel 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg - HOLD UNTIL I AM IN PHYSICAL SHAPE.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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Prof Patricia Casey again on the Irish national airwaves today on a 'hard news' show on Newstalk with Kieran Cuddihy

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-hard-shoulder/do-antidepressants-work

 

Here is the introductory blurb - listening to the podcast might make people very angry so it might not be advisable.  I have written a response not what it will make any difference:-

 

"New research out today is questioning the need for antidepressants, saying they may not actually help with mental illness. Patricia Casey, Consultant Psychiatrist at the Hermitage Clinic and Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry in UCD, joined Kieran to explain how the research might not be all that it seam's."

 

  It was disheartening to listen to the resulting interview which was completely uncritical and did no challenge Casey but that is the Irish media for you.  The journalist Kieran Cuddihy simply asked Casey 'What is the truth?' and swallowed the very clever response that she gave him over the next 5 or so minutes in which she portrayed Joanna Moncrieff as part of a group of  extremist outliers and claimed that people might not know the 'science' and that there plenty of systematic reviews that show that anti depressants do work - all these assertions were unchallenged in one of Ireland's mainstream radio news shows.  That's what passes for journalism in this country - at least in the UK Joanna Moncrieff got a chance to speak on mainstream news shows that actually listened to what she had to say.  

 

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg June 2018-Feb 2019

Supplements:   Vitamin D3, bio-identical HRT, Vitamin B complex and B12, Selenium,

Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3,

July 2020 - 150mg Seroquel; Sept - December – 2020 tapered Seroquel to 0%

Mirtazapine Taper: 16/08/21 transitioned to liquid from tablet using suspension of maple syrup at starting dose of 7.5mg; 17 Sept 2021 - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51; 1 Jan 2022 - 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55 mg; 8 June 5.50 mg;  1 July 5.4 mg; 15 July 5.32; 

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16 hours ago, Oaktree1 said:

That's what passes for journalism in this country

Just heard the interview Oak. How I hate the 'critical psychiatry' label. It is nothing but a mainstream conspiracy theory, and the narrative behind the theory is this: There is a group of people (the critical psychiatry bunch) who in some coordinated way and with evil intentions tries to bring down modern psychiatry because they have brainwashed each other into believing unscientific stupid stuff. It is argumentum ergo decedo and it is the lowest of the low.

 

The frighting thing is that it is a psychiatry professor, normally a person of merit, who uses such arguments. You can forgive this kind of talk on a pub 11 pm on friday. But in mainstream media on a monday?

 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg - HOLD UNTIL I AM IN PHYSICAL SHAPE.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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Btw @Oaktree1, we have exactly the same problem in Denmark. Here a psychiatrist named Poul Videbech plays the same public role as Patricia Casey. When Munkholm et al (here) tried to replicate Cipriani et al (here) and couldn't, Videbech immediately went to media with a rebuttle (here, danish). When Jacobsen et al published their big meta study of SSRIs (here) and couldn't find any relevant positive effects but only side effects of SSRIs, Videbech again went to the media with a rebuttle (here, danish). On is own web page he writes that no commercial interests influences his work as a psychiatrist or as a scientist. Videbech writes that his research grants from the Lundbeck Fundation do not have a commercial influence his work, because the Lundbeck Foundation has no commercial interest in the pharmaceutical corporation Lundbeck (here, danish). In reality the Lundbeck Foundation owns 70% of the stocks in the Corporation Lundbeck (here). Every Lundbeck research grant is channeled through the Foundation. 

 

Is my chronic nausea caused by the above or my prior use of Citalopram and Brintellix (both Lundbeck)? 

2004: (apr): Citalopram 20 mg, June 60 mg., dec 20 mg

2004 (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg.

2014 (Jun): Citalopram stop cold turkey. Began 10 mg Vortioxetine

2017: (dec): Mirtazapine 15 mg ->30 mg (after three day stint on psych ward)

2020: (aug): Vortioxetine 10 mg stopped cold turkey. 

2020 (dec): Mirtazapine 30 mg -> 15 mg (GPs instructions)

2021 (feb): Mirtazapine reinstatement 26,25 mg

2022 (Jan): Mirtazapine (5% taper): 14. Jan 24,9 mg, 6. feb 23,7 mg, 1. marts 22,5 mg, 15. marts 21,3 mg, 2. april 20 mg, 26. april 19. mg, 25. may 18.1 mg, 26 jun 17 mg - HOLD UNTIL I AM IN PHYSICAL SHAPE.

 

Have always taken fish oil capsules. Do not drink alcohol when tapering. 1 multivitamin pill a day. Try to eat healthy, but impossible on mirtazapine.

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And the first study that you refer you seems to have been done in 2017 - Prof Irvine Kirsch's book 'The Emperor's New Drug's' which published research that debunked the chemical imbalance theory and concluded that the positive effects of anti depressants came from placebo, came out in 2009.  But there was a successful fight back against that from the European Psychiatric Association in 2012 and all it took was a statement from Jeffrey Liebermann the American Psychiatric's Association President Elect to rubbish Kirsch's research at that time. 

 

Here is the statement: - 

'"Dr. Kirsch is mistaken and confused, and he's ideologically biased in his thinking. He is conducting an analysis and interpreting the data to support his ideologically biased perspective. What he is concluding is inaccurate, and what he is communicating is misleading to people and potentially harmful to those who really suffer from depression and would be expected to benefit from antidepressant medication. To say that antidepressants are no better than placebo is just plain wrong."

 

Paul Videbech's argument is more subtle as he appears to 'accept' some of the research.  Casey does that too in the interview stating that she does not support the over prescribing of anti depressants for mere 'unhappiness'.  So they co-opt some of the data to make themselves appear reasonable in the same way that mainstream psychiatry has begun to pay lip service in the past few years to the bio psycho social model to enhance its credibility.  

 

It's all just a matter of power - Casey and her ilk across the world like Videbech in Denmark and  Insel the ex head of the NIMH in the US with his ridiculous new book 'Healing' - a justification of  mainstream psychiatry's behaviour in the last few decades  - have position and power.  Having position and power, they have more access to the media to determine the narrative that gets out to the public.  George Orwell said it best in 'Animal Farm' - 'If Napoleon says it, it must be right' .  Most people are sheep and will follow the narrative put out by those with power.

Currently tapering Mirtazapine; previously tapered Cymbalta 30mg June 2018-Feb 2019

Supplements:   Vitamin D3, bio-identical HRT, Vitamin B complex and B12, Selenium,

Lutein, Zinc, Vitamin C, Omega 3,

July 2020 - 150mg Seroquel; Sept - December – 2020 tapered Seroquel to 0%

Mirtazapine Taper: 16/08/21 transitioned to liquid from tablet using suspension of maple syrup at starting dose of 7.5mg; 17 Sept 2021 - 7.31; 24 Sept  - 7.13; 15 Oct  - 6.95; 6 Nov  - 6.78; 21 Nov  - 6.61; 5 Dec  - 6.51; 1 Jan 2022 - 6.41; 1 Feb  - 6.1; 9 Mar -  5.8; 13 Mar - 5.9; 7 Apr - 5.8; 21 Apr - 5.7; 7 May - 5.63; 23 May - 5.55 mg; 8 June 5.50 mg;  1 July 5.4 mg; 15 July 5.32; 

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