Doctorsrcrap: can't cry and frustrated

[Doctorsrcrap]

I feel unable to make the decision. Guess I'm screwed 

[Altostrata]

10 hours ago, Doctorsrcrap said:

The brain zaps are less than before and my nausea is better. 

It's mainly mentally im suffering. 

 

Typically, withdrawal symptoms gradually decrease, including the mental symptoms. Up to you whether you want to see more of a natural recovery over some more weeks or reinstate. If symptoms get progressively worse over a week, you might consider reinstatement.

 

During this very vulnerable period, do not drink alcohol, not even a half-glass, we've seen it set people back a lot. Get regular sleep, don't overdo anything.

 

Many people find fish oil and magnesium supplements helpful, see

 

https://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/

 

https://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

You might try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you. Please let us know how you’re doing.

[Doctorsrcrap]

@Altostrata

I used fish oil but saw no benefit and am worried to take more than stated dose. Is it ok to take more than the label says. Mines 3 times a day equalling 1500mg. 

Been trying salt baths. Not sure if that helps with anything.

I'm trying to get good sleep but on the most part i have insomnia and cant sleep. 

I dont drink alcohol. I dont smoke. I dont use recreational drugs either. 

 

The brain zaps and nausea arent as bad as when i first stopped. I'm hoping this is a positive sign?

[Doctorsrcrap]

The slightest noise sends rage through me. Is that normal?

[ChessieCat]

overstimulation-increased-sensitivity-to-light-noise-sound-exercise-etc

 

[Doctorsrcrap]

Does everything last year's? 

How depressing 

[ChessieCat]

are-we-there-yet-how-long-is-withdrawal-going-to-take

 

 

[Doctorsrcrap]

I just feel like I've messed right up. Tapered too fast and now I'm in for a world of pain.

I feel so lost 

[Altostrata]

As explained before, recovery is very gradual, over months. You are less than a month off venlafaxine. You will need to be patient and surf the rough patches. See

 

The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

[LarryS]

@Doctorsrcrap

Welcome to SA.  Read all your thread.  Noticed you stopped by to look at mine.  My story is different than yours in that I have come off venlafaxine very slowly from the beginning.  I identify with your handle, "Doctors R Crap".  I felt that way in the beginning.   But I have eased up a bit on doctors, they are just humans like me trying to get by.  But I have learned to do my own research and homework on what they are telling me to do.  I try not to make any quick decisions about their input.  But alas, who else can I consult with.  Of course, there are many other types of doctors to consult with.

 

ChessieCat has been very helpful to me, and I appreciate her.  I personally learned from the input Ariel was giving you. Cudos to Ariel.

Yes, this will be a slow process for us.  So, the sooner you can relax and go with the flow, the more relaxed you will become with the process.

Wishing you the Best, Along your journey here at S.A. "SurvivingAntidepressants".

Larry

[Doctorsrcrap]

I do not understand how i get 1mg of venlafaxine from the extended release tablets with the mini tabs inside. Don't get it. 

[ChessieCat]

  

On 5/6/2011 at 1:01 PM, Altostrata said:

You can taper by removing these mini-tablets:

• Ascertain how many mini-tablets are in each of your capsules. Open a few and count the mini-tablets.
• Divide the dosage of each capsule by the number of mini-tablets in each capsule. That is the dosage of the mini-tablet.

(For example, every dosage of Venlablue contains some number of 12.5mg mini-tablets; 37.5mg contains 3 12.5mg mini-tablets while 150mg contains 12 12.5mg mini-tablets.)

 

Calculate the amount of your decrease, such as 10%, on your current daily dosage.

 

If necessary, you may split a mini-tablet into smaller doses. For more precise dosing when splitting mini-tablets, see Using a digital scale to measure doses

 

The venlafaxine in a mini-tablet fragment may become immediate-release venlafaxine as it can be absorbed easier. Remember that doses in immediate-release tablet form have much shorter half-lives than those made from extended-release venlafaxine.

 

You cannot make a liquid from these mini-tablets, they contain a glue that will create a gel in liquid.

 

[Doctorsrcrap]

I'm already at zero. Have been for a month but i am lost with how to deal with this intense rage. It's rage I cant handle. 

[Ariel]

Hi @Doctorsrcrap

Many SA members experience anger and rage as WD symptoms -- both as neuro-emotions, and as bio-psycho-social-existential responses to the situation. 

 

There are numerous topics and discussion threads related to anger: 

Managing anger

Anger towards Big Pharma

Anger towards those that won't listen

Anger and bad vibes

Neuro-rage

Becoming angry about existence

 

If you do a site search for "anger" or "rage" you will find members' individual stories as well.

 

You are not alone <3

[Altostrata]

Is this high irritability a new symptom after you more or less cold-turkeyed 25mg venlafaxine July 22?

[Doctorsrcrap]

Yes pretty much within the first few days 

[Altostrata]

Do any thoughts precede this irritability?

[Doctorsrcrap]

It's mainly irrational. Noises or someone doing something. It's always out of context. The only thoughts thst might do it is that I'm frustrated and feel unsupported by docs etc 

[Doctorsrcrap]

And if I'm not angry then my anxiety is through the roof. 

[Altostrata]

People often get irritable after going off antidepressants abruptly. Do you have any other significant withdrawal symptoms? What is your sleep schedule?

 

How has your sleep pattern changed in the last 10 days?

[Doctorsrcrap]

@Altostrata

I'm either really angry or really anxious and panicky. 

Brain zaps are dying down. 

Some nights are better than others for sleep 

Feel really sick and want to cry. 

Intrusive thoughts 

Is all this normal?? 

[Doctorsrcrap]

If you reinstate 1mg of venlafaxine what do you do after that? 

How do you taper 1mg? 

I dont even understand how i make 1mg. 

I must be thick because I just dont understand what to do. 

[Doctorsrcrap]

And now inner restlessness has kicked in to a unbearable degree. 

This is just a living nightmare.

[ChessieCat]

Q:  What sort of venlafaxine are you taking?  Brand name Effexor has lots of tiny beads.  Some of the generic capsules contain several discs.

 

Before we can assist you with getting a non standard dose we need to know what you using.

 

 

[Doctorsrcrap]

I was using the ones that have the tiny tablets inside. 3 tablets in each capsule 12.5mg each mini tablet. 

They were called vencarm. 

 

[ChessieCat]

Q:  Are you able to get a prescription for any of the following:

 

brand name Effexor capsules

 

immediate release venlafaxine (you would need to dose 2 or 3 times a day

 

or prescription liquid Effexor?

 

Getting the brand capsules or tablets (generic might be okay) would probably work out cheaper because if I remember correctly the liquid has to be disposed of 1 month after opening.

 

NOTE:  You cannot make a liquid from the mini discs.

 

6 hours ago, Doctorsrcrap said:

If you reinstate 1mg of venlafaxine what do you do after that? 

How do you taper 1mg? 

I dont even understand how i make 1mg. 

I must be thick because I just dont understand what to do. 

 

The first goal is to try and reduce the withdrawal symptoms to a bearable level.  SA recommends starting with a low dose because taking too much might make things worse.  It is better to start with a small dose and make gradual small increased IF NEEDED (provided that the initial reinstatement dose does not make things worse).  The aim isn't to get rid of withdrawal symptoms completely but to bring them to a level that you can live with.  Some members have tried to find the "perfect dose" and have ended up making things worse for themselves.

 

After you have found the "lowest effective dose" (ie the dose which bring the symptoms to a bearable level) you would hold for at least 3 months, possibly longer, in order to stabilse before reducing your dose.  My suggestion when you get to this stage is to only make a small reduction, eg 1%-2.5% (ie NOT 10%) to see how you react to less of the drug.  If that goes okay then you could make a larger or full 10% reduction the next time.

 

It will depend on what form of the drug you are able to obtain how you will get the dose you need.

 

I suggest that you look into what you are able to get and then let us know and we can help work out how to get the small dose.

 

 

[Doctorsrcrap]

That's what im scared of reinstating and making it worse but at the same time it doesn't feel like it could get much worse. 

I dont know how you guys on here havr survived this torture 

[ChessieCat]

5 minutes ago, Doctorsrcrap said:

That's what im scared of reinstating and making it worse

 

That is why it is very important to start with a very small dose.

 

Unfortunately only you can make the decision about what to do.  All we can do is provide you with the information so you can make an informed decision.

[Doctorsrcrap]

Does anyone else find that unless they are left alone in the quiet they are overwhelmed? 

[Ariel]

Hi @Doctorsrcrap

I'm sorry it's rough going <3

 

By the way, do you use SA on a computer or on your phone? The site works much better on a computer, and it's easier to use the search function to find topics and read other members' threads. 

 

5 hours ago, Doctorsrcrap said:

Does anyone else find that unless they are left alone in the quiet they are overwhelmed? 

 

The need for solitude and silence is very common in WD. It's also common in people recovering from concussions and other brain injuries. It may be a general brain thing. But yes, normal in WD. 

 

 

 

[Altostrata]

You have garden-variety withdrawal syndrome. Nobody seems to like it.

 

It's up to you to decide whether you can tolerate your symptoms to allow natural recovery, which can take months, or if you want to try a low-dose reinstatement to reduce them, stabilize for some time, and taper off by tiny amounts later.

 

On 8/14/2022 at 1:44 PM, Altostrata said:

Many people find fish oil and magnesium supplements helpful, see

 

https://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/

 

https://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

You might try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you. Please let us know how you’re doing.

 

[Doctorsrcrap]

What the heck is garden variety 

[ChessieCat]

garden variety

 

adjective

1. Ordinary, common, or unexceptional.

[Doctorsrcrap]

Is this a good thing?

Doctor wanted to prescribe me a benzo. Surely thats a terrible idea 

[Altostrata]

You have a normal state of antidepressant withdrawal syndrome. It is not particularly severe. 

 

Have your symptoms gotten worse over the last 10 days?

On 8/14/2022 at 1:44 PM, Altostrata said:

Typically, withdrawal symptoms gradually decrease, including the mental symptoms. Up to you whether you want to see more of a natural recovery over some more weeks or reinstate. If symptoms get progressively worse over a week, you might consider reinstatement.

 

If they have gotten worse and you feel you need to do something to treat it, suggest you reinstate a low dose of venlafaxine, such as 5mg. This topic explains how to make a low dose Tips for tapering off venlafaxine (Effexor)
 

If you start taking a benzo regularly, the risk is you will become physiologically dependent on it and when you want to stop, you will need to taper that, too. In UK, doctors don't like to prescribe benzos for more than a couple of weeks. You can become dependent on it in that time and will have to beg your doctor to continue it so you can taper off.

[Doctorsrcrap]

Yeah they have popped me on and off of benzos over the last year which is annoying. 

It feels pretty bad withdrawal wise. Ended up in a and e because my anger and panic was out of control. 

Can't seem to control my emotions. I wonder what makes you say it's not so bad. I mean thst makes me slightly relieved if you think that I'm not a bad case haha