Administrator Altostrata Posted January 27, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted January 27, 2015 I found magnesium glycinate to be much, much easier on the bowel than mag citrate. When I'm constipated, I take a bit of mag citrate. Last night I rubbed magnesium oil on both knees (they were sore) and bam -- was out like a light for hours. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 As I mentioned in my previous post I put 1/4 teaspoon of Epsom Salts in my water and sipped it throughout the day. It really helped with the anxiety, but I felt very irritable throughout the day. Has anyone else experienced this? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Sunflower 1998-2010. Zoloft 100 mgs. 3/2010. Switched to generic Z and began not to feel well. 7/2010. Estrogen patch added which caused severe depression. 8/2010 to 10/2010. Zoloft increased from 100 mgs to 200 mgs., Klonopin .25 mgs in am; .50 mgs pm; Remeron .25 mgs. added by new doc 1/2011. Began tapering K; last dose of K 7/2011. 11/2011 Began Remeron taper; last dose of R 1/2012 (Tapered K & R by dry cutting) 1/2013 Began tapering Z from 200 mgs to 100 mgs by dry cutting 3/2013. Experiencing wd sx...took break 9/2013. Down to 150 mgs. 2/2014 - Present. 100 mgs Z 1-21-15. Began dry cutting 100 mgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ten0275 Posted January 28, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 28, 2015 Magnesium Glycinate helped me immensely during benzo withdrawal, and has been helpful withdrawing from the mirtazapine as well. I use a brand called Dr's Best. It is relatively inexpensive. When withdrawal was really bad, I would take 800mg a day spread out in 4 doses of 200mg. Now I take 200mg at night. It relaxed my muscles, cut the anxiety down, helped the restless legs, and helped me fall asleep. You'll know if you are getting too much magnesium if you develop loose stool. To be honest, it was the only supplement that helped me earlier in withdrawal. Later, fish oil became indispensable as did b-vitamins after that and vitamin d. Hang in there. Dave 1996 - .5mg Ativan as needed, 7.5mg Remeron daily2008 - .5mg Xanax, Ativan discontinued, Remeron continued2012 - .5mg Xanax, .25mg Ativan 3x daily, Remeron continued2/2012 - Jumped from Remeron, continued .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily4/2012 - Began rapid taper of .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily6/2012 - Jumped from Xanax and Ativan, voluntary hospitalization followed7/2012 - 2nd voluntary hospitalization, reinstated Remeron, bumped to 30mg, also given risperidone.8/2012 - discontinued risperidone, tried gabapentin, dicontinued gabapentin, Remeron 30mg continued10/2012 to current - tapered Remeron 10% every 4 to 6 weeks (sometimes more time) using liquid compound12/2014 - 2mg Remeron 1/16/2015 - 1.9mg Remeron 8/1/2015 -1.6mg Remeron - 03/1/2016 - 1.5mg Remeron - 1/2/2017 1.3mg - 5/7/2017 1.2mg - 5/13/2017 - syringe size change - 6/8/2017 - 1.1mg - 7/10/2017 - 1mg - 9/1/2017 - 0.9mg - 10/22/2017 - 0.8mg - 11/22/2017 - 0.7mg - 2/2/2018 - 0.6mg - 3/13/2018 - new compound pharmacy - 5/20/2018 - 0.5mg - 8/31/2018 - 0.4mg - 11/16/2018 - 0.3mg - 12/24/2018 - 0.2mg - 4/1/2019 - 0.1mg - 5/1/2019 - .05mg - 0mg achieved 2019-06-15. 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 My last attempt of taking mag was last year citrate as I had it already. I just can't get up I lay on the couch unmoving for the wkend I had not bowel issues. My limbs felt like logs moving was a chore. I am not sure what it means if anything but I could not function and had no will to move either hope that is understandable. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 28, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted January 28, 2015 I got the Doctor's Best product, too -- haven't started it yet. It's a better buy than the mag glycinate from Swanson's, and supposed to be superior, although I couldn't pin down what the buffering does in the Albion brand. I don't know if the claims that the buffering is detrimental are true. (Yes, I researched this, too.) This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I have been putting Epsom Salts in my water and it has helped with the cortical spikes which cause so much anxiety throughout the day. However today I purchased Natural Calm a magnesium supplement because I read a lot of positive reviews about it. Will let you know if it helps. 1998-2010. Zoloft 100 mgs. 3/2010. Switched to generic Z and began not to feel well. 7/2010. Estrogen patch added which caused severe depression. 8/2010 to 10/2010. Zoloft increased from 100 mgs to 200 mgs., Klonopin .25 mgs in am; .50 mgs pm; Remeron .25 mgs. added by new doc 1/2011. Began tapering K; last dose of K 7/2011. 11/2011 Began Remeron taper; last dose of R 1/2012 (Tapered K & R by dry cutting) 1/2013 Began tapering Z from 200 mgs to 100 mgs by dry cutting 3/2013. Experiencing wd sx...took break 9/2013. Down to 150 mgs. 2/2014 - Present. 100 mgs Z 1-21-15. Began dry cutting 100 mgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie3 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hi sunflower, I swd the natural calm magnedium oil and gel. I purchased them from various health food stores and from amazon before. I have used their citrate drink but a small amount revs me up at the moment. I didn't know you could put Epsom salt in water And drink it. How much do you use? Mind you I have done this with the chloride oil. 1998-2013 Various antidepressants switches and CTs. Benzo addiction unknowingly trying to cover withdrawals in 2011 January 2012,, 25 mg Zoloft , March 2012, Remeron 7.5 to sleep and 1 mg Clonazepam. Tapered Clonazepam from April to June 2012 from 1 mg to .25 mg (stuck) September to October 2012 tapered Remeron 7.5 mg to 5 mg. December upped to .75 mg Clonazepam due to mothers passing of cancer. February 2013 to December 2013 tapered off 25 mg Zoloft January 2014 to March 2014 tapered off 5 mg Remeron Doing not to bad, not perfect but okay. Here is where I screw up May 2014 to October 2014 tapered Clonazepam from .75 mg to .25 mg. Rapidly worsening every week. January 2015 updosed Clonazepam to .5 mg. Big Mistake - Holding Currently .25 mg Clonazepam 11 pm at night (give or take an hour) and .25 mg 9 am in the morning (give or take an hour) Hope this isn't to confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I was putting between 1/4 and 1/2 teaspoon of Epsom Salts in my water bottle and sipping it throughout the day. It was helping a little, but I continued to experience anxiety and a "loopy" feeling. I just started using Natural Calm and I find it is helping a lot more without the " loopy" feeling. I have been putting 1/4 teaspoon in a cup with hot water and drinking 1/2 of the water in the am and 2nd half in the afternoon. Sunflower 1998-2010. Zoloft 100 mgs. 3/2010. Switched to generic Z and began not to feel well. 7/2010. Estrogen patch added which caused severe depression. 8/2010 to 10/2010. Zoloft increased from 100 mgs to 200 mgs., Klonopin .25 mgs in am; .50 mgs pm; Remeron .25 mgs. added by new doc 1/2011. Began tapering K; last dose of K 7/2011. 11/2011 Began Remeron taper; last dose of R 1/2012 (Tapered K & R by dry cutting) 1/2013 Began tapering Z from 200 mgs to 100 mgs by dry cutting 3/2013. Experiencing wd sx...took break 9/2013. Down to 150 mgs. 2/2014 - Present. 100 mgs Z 1-21-15. Began dry cutting 100 mgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Hi Altostrata, Did you use the Natural Calm and what was your experience like? How much did you use and how often? I started using it on Saturday and it's been really helping with the insomnia, anxiety and even depression. I am only using 1/4 teaspoon and drink it in my water throughout the day. However, I've begun to experience pain in my right kidney area and concerned that it may negatively impacting it. I also wonder if what has caused the kidney pain is the fact that I was putting ES in my water all last week. But not sure so may have to discontinue the NC for now. I plan to continue the nightly ES baths for now. Thanks! 1998-2010. Zoloft 100 mgs. 3/2010. Switched to generic Z and began not to feel well. 7/2010. Estrogen patch added which caused severe depression. 8/2010 to 10/2010. Zoloft increased from 100 mgs to 200 mgs., Klonopin .25 mgs in am; .50 mgs pm; Remeron .25 mgs. added by new doc 1/2011. Began tapering K; last dose of K 7/2011. 11/2011 Began Remeron taper; last dose of R 1/2012 (Tapered K & R by dry cutting) 1/2013 Began tapering Z from 200 mgs to 100 mgs by dry cutting 3/2013. Experiencing wd sx...took break 9/2013. Down to 150 mgs. 2/2014 - Present. 100 mgs Z 1-21-15. Began dry cutting 100 mgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 4, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted February 4, 2015 I take a little bit of Natural Calm (mag citrate) when I'm constipated. I take mag glycinate regularly. Going back when I had severe withdrawal symptoms, I used to put mag citrate in water and sip it throughout the day. I think I was using Thompson 150mg mag citrate then. I've never drank Epsom salts (mag sulfate), they're too sulphuric for my taste. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ten0275 Posted February 4, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 4, 2015 I tried most of the mags. Malate, citrate, glycinate, etc. Glycinate was the one that really resonated with me as well. It's the one I take consistently. It is the ultimate chill pill. I will take 200mg before an aspirin for a headache. If I have very high anxiety or trouble settling in the evening, 200mg will cut into the negative feelings and stabilize me - soothe me. I've taken up to 800mg of Doctor's Best mag glycinate in a single day w/ no adverse reactions. That was in acute withdrawal. I took it 200mg at a time spread throughout the day. It really helped me. We are all so very deficient in magnessium as it is. Stress further depletes us. It is truly a supplement well-worth trying while navigating withdrawal. Glycinate reigns supreme amongst the mags for me, but I do like Natural Calm mixed into seltzer water with a splash of cranberry juice. A little mag virgin cocktail action going on there. Nice... Hang in there. Dave 1996 - .5mg Ativan as needed, 7.5mg Remeron daily2008 - .5mg Xanax, Ativan discontinued, Remeron continued2012 - .5mg Xanax, .25mg Ativan 3x daily, Remeron continued2/2012 - Jumped from Remeron, continued .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily4/2012 - Began rapid taper of .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily6/2012 - Jumped from Xanax and Ativan, voluntary hospitalization followed7/2012 - 2nd voluntary hospitalization, reinstated Remeron, bumped to 30mg, also given risperidone.8/2012 - discontinued risperidone, tried gabapentin, dicontinued gabapentin, Remeron 30mg continued10/2012 to current - tapered Remeron 10% every 4 to 6 weeks (sometimes more time) using liquid compound12/2014 - 2mg Remeron 1/16/2015 - 1.9mg Remeron 8/1/2015 -1.6mg Remeron - 03/1/2016 - 1.5mg Remeron - 1/2/2017 1.3mg - 5/7/2017 1.2mg - 5/13/2017 - syringe size change - 6/8/2017 - 1.1mg - 7/10/2017 - 1mg - 9/1/2017 - 0.9mg - 10/22/2017 - 0.8mg - 11/22/2017 - 0.7mg - 2/2/2018 - 0.6mg - 3/13/2018 - new compound pharmacy - 5/20/2018 - 0.5mg - 8/31/2018 - 0.4mg - 11/16/2018 - 0.3mg - 12/24/2018 - 0.2mg - 4/1/2019 - 0.1mg - 5/1/2019 - .05mg - 0mg achieved 2019-06-15. 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAnger Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Self diagnosed myself with fabriomalgia, found this online very informative so like to share http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.html Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 9, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted February 9, 2015 alwayslookup, if you do well with magnesium citrate and can't get mag glycinate, the citrate form is fine. I took it daily for years. I doubt the additional minerals in the magnesium oil would be a problem. But you don't need to use mag oil, it's useful if for some reason you cannot take the capsules or if you want to relax specific muscles. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAnger Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Glad to hear you Alto My thought of magnesium is for all kinds of pain I have everyday, sharp, tension, numb, pressure, needles & pins on head, shoulder, neck, upper back. The needles/pins in particular can be super severe and cause my heart feeling like failing. I tried Magnesium citrate (cheleted form) 10mg for a few days and got lip twitch. The twitch went away immediately when I stopped the MG. I tested again for 5mg, same twitch but less severe. Eventually I settled with 2mg (yesterday), no twitch, but too early to tell if it will help with my pain. I also tried Magnesium oil yesteray (for the hope to get a rescue relief from the severe needle/pins). It stopped the needles/pins sensation immediately like a miracle but no touch on the other head problems (pain, numbness, pressure). I need to see if it really helps after a few more tests. The pain/numb has been my major cmplains everyday and its so debilitating. I am on 0.5% slow taper with minimal other symptoms but the pain/numb just wont move a tiny bit. Do you have any suggestions/thoughts? Thanks! LexA Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 10, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted February 10, 2015 2-10mg of magnesium is a very small amount. Usually people start with 25mg or 50mg. Lip twitch is an unusual reaction. I might give the magnesium another try. LexAnger, it may be you do better with magnesium absorbed through the skin -- that would be magnesium oil and Epsom salts (mag sulfate) baths. This is a perfectly good way to get magnesium into your system, although it would be difficult to estimate how much you're absorbing. It's a good thing it helps some. Many of us find we need to add other things at other times to reduce symptoms. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsports Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This is pricey but I purchased this magnesium in an attempt to improve my sleep. http://www.jigsawhealth.com/supplements/magnesium/ I had been unable to tolerate many brands of magnesium but am finding no problems with this one. Hasn't improved my sleep maintenance insomnia yet but I need to give it more time. Still, I have noticed I am more calm and able to resist narcoleptic like sleep attacks that derail my sleep. There is a 90 day money back guarantee if it doesn't work which is nice. And last time I asked the company for one, I didn't have to return the product as they did it right away. Hopefully, that is still the policy. Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010 Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006 Finished taper on June 10, 2010 Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016 Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withdrawlsucks Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I have just ordered some magnesium spray.. just spray it on your arms and it is absorbed transdermaly .. Citalopram 15mg Feb 2009 to Feb 2013 stopped cold turkey... no withdrawal till july.. Hell on earth Citalopram 5mg July for two weeks ... Living Hell venlafaxin 37mg august two weeks even worst Hell Zoloft november 2013 till Jan 2014 Hell mirtazapine Feb for 6 weeks.. fatigue Over the next six month tried nearly very antidepressant could not tolerate anything tried fish oil, 5htp , nearly every herb, you name it I bought it.. system could not take anything.. Oct 2014 to November 2014 trazodone.. ooo nooo !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyK Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thanks! I tried magnesium for two days now. Nothing bad yet. Current dose: 0! Free! Quit June 2017. 2017: Last dose zoloft: 17 June 0,00065 mg 18 May 0, 001 mg 14 May 0,002 mg 9 May 0,003 mg 28 April 0,006 mg 19 April 0,009 mg 8 April 0,013 mg 25 March 0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January 2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg; 2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg; 2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg; 2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg; 2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg; 2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the previous dose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestorb Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I take chelated magnesium at night, 400 mg, and have for about 5 years. Supposedly, the chelated form is more easily absorbed by the body. It definitely helps me sleep. I can only find it at vitamin stores, but it is inexpensive. 2005-2009, Lexapro 10 - 20 mg, CT WD w/severe depression and anxiety: 2010-2015, Paxil, 30 - 40 mg, tapered off at 10 mg/week, moderate anxiety and depression: 2010-2015, Clonozapam 0.25 mg, as needed for anxiety and sleep: 1/10/2015, Zoloft 25 mg, tried to increase to 50 and 75, but nausea and dizziness: 2/13/2015, Paxil 5 mg, added back after 2 weeks at zero to reduce WD: 2/28/2015, Paxil 10 mg, increased from 5 mg to reduce WD, HOLDING: 3/04/2015, Zoloft discontinued (reduced to ~12.5 mg on 2/19, ~6.25 mg on 2/26, then zero): 4/26/2015, Paxil starting 10% taper (no scale so was inadvertently at 20% taper, yikes!): 4/30/2015, Paxil 10 mg, reinstated (WD disappeared between August 2015 and May 2016) 5/02/2016, Started 10% taper, reinstated to 10 mg on 5/11/16: 4/29/2017, Last dose of Paxil (working with holistic psychiatrist, lots of supplements to aid WD): Primary symptoms: apathy, demotivation, anhedonia, fatigue, stress intolerance, moderate social anxiety 7/1/2018 Finally feeling like myself again, success!!! Praise God! Even with the stress of relocating recently, I am feeling pretty good most of the time now. Granted, I eat healthy, I exercise, I don't drink caffeine or alcohol and I try hard find a healthy balance of quiet and social times. Hang in there and keep the faith, you can do it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidepressantsNoMore Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Got to have my magnesium. That and Vitamin C helped w/d and anxiety so much. trintellix 1 mg and rexulti .5mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primrose Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I take magnesium maleate. It's gentler on the gut and it's a bit cheaper than glycinate. It relaxes my muscles and enables sleep if I am having difficulty. pregan taper 600mg down to 240mg, daily cuts since xmas valium, just over 75mg, tapering 0.1 a day, will keep this more udated, cos amounts going down i have borderline personality, chronic ptsd, and suspected adhd and substance misuse as a symptom, which i am addressing with help of medical staff, drugs agencies & mh sta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted March 23, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 23, 2015 I've been taking mag glycinate (Dr.'s best) since I last wrote here a few pages back, I'm up to 3 a day, on in afternoon and 2 in evening. I cannot take it in morning, because I have to take calcium, since some doctor decided I didn't really need those parathyroids, and they weren't worth the extra 15 minutes it would've taken to spare them (when my thyroid was removed). No parathyroid means I must supplement calcium and Vit D my whole life. You cannot take magnesium with calcium (well you can, but they eat each other, and there's not much left over for you). It mystifies me that they even MAKE a Cal-Mag product of any kind! Also, (same surgery) I have to take thyroid. I cannot take thyroid with calcium, or zinc, or food. And I take thyroid 2x a day. See how tricky this is geting? So, even though it's not ideal, I take a magnesium with my afternoon thyroid, and again with my evening lipids and aminos (hello, Taurine! among others) So far, I'm nowhere near dire rear. Just a few short months ago, I was a karate practitioner. This mean that I hurt a lot. Plus, I'm old. This means I hurt a lot, too. Magnesium oil (I can no longer get "Secret Squirrel" gel) is awesome for topical pain. I put it on my hand, my knees, my back, wait 20 minutes, then buff off the residue. You will not absorb more than you need. I keep a bottle by the bedside, because sometimes my knees - or whatnot! - will awaken me, and the mag oil is a sweet way to get back to sleep. I think of the mag oil as pain relief, and the mag chloride bath as prophylaxis for pain as well as mood stabilization. I will take epsom salts baths in between, when I feel I don't need as strong of a dose. Probably also stabilizing. When I was going to active sport (how did I do that?) I found a great little wafer called a Voost. It's pure Mag Carbonate, 823 mg elemental = 220 mg mag carbonate. It's like an alka seltzer, drop it in your sports bottle, and Voosh! Instant bubbly lemon sport drink without the sugar! Furthermore, when the workout is done, and it's time to wake up the next day (yah, a karate class is like binge drinking for me - I get hungover for up to 3 days), I'm better, and it probably cuts my recovery time in half. I also will pop a Voost if I feel a bit of spiky stress response coming on. Voost is good for spikes. It is hard to find here, I only know one chemist (Chemmart) that sells it. Studying the package I see it is an import from Germany: Vitaminhaus. They have a whole line of effervescent vitamins, Mg is my fave (naturally), but they also have C, and B complex and one other. I'm getting ready to trade out some of my Mag glycinate (which is very afordable) for Magnesium l-threonate, as I hear it is really good for the brain. This will probably reduce my overall load I'm getting 300 mg in tablets, plus baths, oil and the occasional Voost (I haven't had a hard workout in a long time now). The last three are quite random, "as I feel like it." I found a source on mag chloride which made it even cheaper than Epsom salts is (in Australia). I went to a place called Blants, and bought a 20 kg bag. I give away mag chloride all the time, "here, try this," (everyone loves it), and if they want more, I'll give them a kilo for $10, which is a bargain round these parts. Helps me pay for my own magnesium habit . I got frustrated with all these precious health food distributors - one wouldn't even accept an order over the web, or give shipping prices, you had to call for that part. (this is the 21st century, right?) So I googled "Bulk Magnesium Australia" In doing so I did learn a bit about "gourmet" mag chloride salts. Apparently you don't want them from Australia, because they have heavy metals. (WTF? My massage therapist buys only American Epsom salts, because she doesn't want the lead and mercury in the Australian salt. I thought this was a darned clean country compared to where I come from!) However, the Blants are Dead Sea Salts. My massage therapists and natural practitioners think this is great, because of the spiritual energy of the place. However, the http://www.ancient-minerals.com people seem to feel that it's contaminated from all the ordnance around the area. They pull their mag chloride from an (2 miles deep) undersea salt bed (the Zechstein Sea, over 250 million years ago) in the Netherlands. http://www.ancient-minerals.com/products/zechstein-pure-magnesium-oil/ This underground cave perfectly preserved the sea salt in pristine air unadulterated by modern toxins (until of course, they took the dig machines in.....) What I also learned is that as much as I want to use magnesium chloride, I would bankrupt the house if I used pure Zechstein magnesium crystals. Blants is from the Dead Sea (ancient minerals says "bad," but they have a product to sell), and is not cosmetic or pharmaceutical grade. But it is pure magnesium chloride, and in my understanding, a single chemical is mostly a single chemical. It was $96. for 20 kilos. I can (and will, but not yet) also get Himalayan salt there ($70 for 20 kilos!) or Sodium BIcarb (hmmm, could be handy), as well as un-processed Dead Sea Salt (a mix of minerals) and FOOD grade Epsom salt! Now, if little Australia has an awesome place like Blants, surely you USA folk can find something similar. I mean really - I about croaked when the 20 kg bag arrived (bigger than a dog-food bag!), but really - if I'm going to be withdrawing over a period of 2 years - will it get used? It will get used, and I don't feel I have to scrimp on my "cup of magnesium" in the bath. * * * * I'm going to emphasize the importance of taurine with magnesium. I think this could be helpful for anyone, and could help people in withdrawal. If, in withdrawal, you do not tolerate the magnesium, try it with a tiny (1/6 or less) amount of taurine to see if it goes any better. They are like hand in glove - taurine seems to speed the magnesium to the places where it is most needed, and it makes it more even. I also remember a post from Alex a few pages back, about electrolytes, and dehydration, due to the "wicking action" of magnesium to the bowel. I will take this a step further. Nearly all of my magnesium products have on them a warning: DO NOT TAKE IF YOU SUFFER FROM KIDNEY DISEASE. CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR. blah blah, and it sounds oh-so-serious. I find it amazing that labels like this exist, but there was nothing on my lithium package that said this. And it should have. Anyhow. Maybe this warning should be featured more prominently in this thread. BE CAREFUL & CAUTIOUS WITH MAGNESIUM if you have any KIDNEY or possibly bladder trouble. I won't say "do not take," because I wouldn't ask you to do anything I wouldn't do, and I'm taking it, even after having kidney imaging and unable to void trouble, etc. etc. But please be judicious. That is stated clearly throughout this article but most people are talking about anxiety & brain zaps & muscular function & sleep. I have come to respect my kidneys after what I've been through, so I'd like to add a kidney caution, as well. As usual, it takes too many words to say what I've said - I hope it was entertaining, and maybe opened a door for someone somewhere. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I don't know if it's true, but I thought that this artcle's explanation of why magnesium is lacking in our produce was interesting...the common fertilizer combination washes it out. And stress washes it out of people under stress by increased urinary excretion. I take lots of supplements, but this is one I cannot go without for even a day. www.integrativehealthcare.com/what-supplements-are-important-to-take-what-nutrients-not-to-take/?inf_contact_key=d693af9dbf93e521a82bfd0897595bed2fb9cc5145e867ac18caa990e8fcdf90 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcc2929 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I got a magnesium supplement yesterday. I've been having trouble sleeping. Bluebonnet magnesium citrate - 2 tablets = 400mg I took one (200mg) yesterday evening to see what happened. I was feeling very anxious yesterday also. Within half an hour of taking it I felt results. Calm. I did also feel stoned tho. I was pretty amazed at how calm I felt. My stomach has been gurgly, but no increaed gas and no excessive bathroom trips ???? I am going to stick to taking just one at night for now, BUT am going to keep it in mind for those anxious days. My psych nurse suggested going on a low dose of Xanax while withdrawing and I said No More Drugs. Maybe some Daily magnesium will be a much better solution. And as my body gets used to it, maybe add more. Still feeling pretty calm this morning!! Which is pretty great given that morning anxiety has been pretty consistent for me during withdrawal. Fall 1998, age 15, prescribed Zoloft Various other medications, tried coming off multiple times (mostly cold turkey) but was put back on due to misdiagnosed withdrawal symptoms Fall 2013 60mg Cymbalta & .5mg lorazepam Fall 2014 60mg cymbalta & half of .5 mg tablet of lorazepam nightly for sleep and as needed for anxiety attacks (which was really misdiagnosed protracted withdrawal) Gradually weaned myself off of lorazepam throughout September and October 2014 March 15, 2015 .21g (actual weight of granules in single 60mg dose, without capsule) March 16, 2015 .189g (10% decrease) March 24, 2015 .17g (10% decrease) March 25, 2015 .18g (5% increase) April 8, 2015 .171g (5% decrease) Daily Supplements: 2 Nordic Naturals Complete Omega soft gels, 1 Whole Foods 2000 ius vitamin D, 1 Bluebonnet B-Complex 100, Bluebonnet Magnesium Citrate (400-500mg/day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdav Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 In the past I've had weird head symptoms with magnesium. Right now I'm going through a second bout of akathisia and insomnia brought from antibiotics, and in desperation I tried it. I fell asleep very deeply, but then my whole body started twitching during my sleep and had weird dreams, when I woke up I was full of brain zaps (which had already been gone for some months). I read before that Shanti had made a connection to this. Anyone else gets this symptom with magnesium? -Effexor 150 mgs (2001-2009). Severe withdrawal symptoms during and after tapering for 6 months. -Pristiq 50 mg (2009-2012) Tapered over a year. Worst year of my life. -Prozac 20 mg (2012) Tapered over 6 moths to ease withdrawal. Still had severe WD symptoms. - (2012-2014) Doctor tried more than 20 medications for depression and WD, leaving me hypersensitive, and in protracted withdrawal. - Most debilitating symptoms during protracted withdrawal have been deep depression, anxiety, brain zaps, fatigue, akathisia, twitching, headaches and terrible PMS. -January 2015: Started Lamictal 12.5 mg, increased to 25 mg.- Bad reaction when updosed to 50 mg. Stopped. -February 2015: Doctor tried new antidepressant Brintellix - Horrible reaction. Discontinued completely. Severe AKATHISIA started. -March 2015: Started TMS therapy (Transcranial magnetic stimulation) for severe depression. Didn't work. -July 23-August 12: Had 10 ECT sessions which took away my protracted withdrawal symptoms including: akathisia, brain zaps, muscle twitches, fatigue and depression. Stopped medications. -September 2015: Experiencing bouts of depression again and muscle twitching. -March 2016: Started 20 mg Nortryptiline for depression. It helped. -August 2016: Slowly tapering Nortryptiline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 10, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted May 10, 2015 You might do better by taking less. How much did you take? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdav Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I took about 1/4 of a teaspoon of Natural Calm, which is about 0.25 g. Maybe I need much less? The reaction really scared me, but at first it did give me relief from akathisia and not being able to sleep though I'm very tired. -Effexor 150 mgs (2001-2009). Severe withdrawal symptoms during and after tapering for 6 months. -Pristiq 50 mg (2009-2012) Tapered over a year. Worst year of my life. -Prozac 20 mg (2012) Tapered over 6 moths to ease withdrawal. Still had severe WD symptoms. - (2012-2014) Doctor tried more than 20 medications for depression and WD, leaving me hypersensitive, and in protracted withdrawal. - Most debilitating symptoms during protracted withdrawal have been deep depression, anxiety, brain zaps, fatigue, akathisia, twitching, headaches and terrible PMS. -January 2015: Started Lamictal 12.5 mg, increased to 25 mg.- Bad reaction when updosed to 50 mg. Stopped. -February 2015: Doctor tried new antidepressant Brintellix - Horrible reaction. Discontinued completely. Severe AKATHISIA started. -March 2015: Started TMS therapy (Transcranial magnetic stimulation) for severe depression. Didn't work. -July 23-August 12: Had 10 ECT sessions which took away my protracted withdrawal symptoms including: akathisia, brain zaps, muscle twitches, fatigue and depression. Stopped medications. -September 2015: Experiencing bouts of depression again and muscle twitching. -March 2016: Started 20 mg Nortryptiline for depression. It helped. -August 2016: Slowly tapering Nortryptiline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo71 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Does anyone else reach tolerance with magnesium? I find that if I take it every day, after about a week or so it starts to lose effect. I can take ever larger amounts to try to counteract this, but I'm not sure how healthy this is as I find I can now take 1000mg (or more) in one go no problem (i.e. no diarrhea). Had been on paroxetine for 10 years when I started to experience 'poop out' in 2008. Began a slow taper in early 2009. Got down to 3.2 mg in Jan 2012 and held for 21 months. Oct 2013 - reduced to 2.8 mg April 2014 - reduced to 2.4 mg Oct 2014 - reduced to 2.2 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo71 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Sorry forgot to say that it is the Citrate form that I am taking. Had been on paroxetine for 10 years when I started to experience 'poop out' in 2008. Began a slow taper in early 2009. Got down to 3.2 mg in Jan 2012 and held for 21 months. Oct 2013 - reduced to 2.8 mg April 2014 - reduced to 2.4 mg Oct 2014 - reduced to 2.2 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcc2929 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 @jimbo71, I definitely think I've developed a tolerance to it. The first time I took it I took half of what I'm taking now and felt stoned. The first week or so I could feel when it started to "kick in." Now I'm at twice that dose and don't feel a noticeable difference after I take it. Would love to take more to help me sleep better as it doesn't work as well anymore, but when I take more my digestive system goes into overdrive. What kind of magnesium do you take that you can take 1000mg with no digestive issues? Fall 1998, age 15, prescribed Zoloft Various other medications, tried coming off multiple times (mostly cold turkey) but was put back on due to misdiagnosed withdrawal symptoms Fall 2013 60mg Cymbalta & .5mg lorazepam Fall 2014 60mg cymbalta & half of .5 mg tablet of lorazepam nightly for sleep and as needed for anxiety attacks (which was really misdiagnosed protracted withdrawal) Gradually weaned myself off of lorazepam throughout September and October 2014 March 15, 2015 .21g (actual weight of granules in single 60mg dose, without capsule) March 16, 2015 .189g (10% decrease) March 24, 2015 .17g (10% decrease) March 25, 2015 .18g (5% increase) April 8, 2015 .171g (5% decrease) Daily Supplements: 2 Nordic Naturals Complete Omega soft gels, 1 Whole Foods 2000 ius vitamin D, 1 Bluebonnet B-Complex 100, Bluebonnet Magnesium Citrate (400-500mg/day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcc2929 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I currently take magnesium l-threonate, which is supposed to cross the blood brain barrier more effectively. I have noticed a benefit but it is very expensive. I also have taken chelated magnesium, which is supposed to be better absorbed in ones' small intestine. It is pretty affordable, and I find it does help. I have heard to avoid magnesium glutamate and aspartate, as they break down into glutamine and aspartic acid, which are activating neurotransmitters I think. How does magnesium l-threonate affect digestive system? Guess I can buy it and try it and find out =P Fall 1998, age 15, prescribed Zoloft Various other medications, tried coming off multiple times (mostly cold turkey) but was put back on due to misdiagnosed withdrawal symptoms Fall 2013 60mg Cymbalta & .5mg lorazepam Fall 2014 60mg cymbalta & half of .5 mg tablet of lorazepam nightly for sleep and as needed for anxiety attacks (which was really misdiagnosed protracted withdrawal) Gradually weaned myself off of lorazepam throughout September and October 2014 March 15, 2015 .21g (actual weight of granules in single 60mg dose, without capsule) March 16, 2015 .189g (10% decrease) March 24, 2015 .17g (10% decrease) March 25, 2015 .18g (5% increase) April 8, 2015 .171g (5% decrease) Daily Supplements: 2 Nordic Naturals Complete Omega soft gels, 1 Whole Foods 2000 ius vitamin D, 1 Bluebonnet B-Complex 100, Bluebonnet Magnesium Citrate (400-500mg/day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a99 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 alto or anyone can you please explain how magnesium glutamate and magnesium aspartate are activating neurotransmitters ? is this bad for recovery therefore should be avoided ? On and off prozac from 2010 -2014 . Several failed fast tapers and reinstatements . Cold turkey : March 2014 . ----------------------------------------- took lysanxia 40 mg a day for almost a year november -14- 2018 weaned to 30 mg november -26- 2018 weaned to 20 mg symptoms that got better : fatigue current symptoms : severe anxiety one rescue dose (10 mg ) december -15 -2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 http://drcarolyndean.com/2012/10/when-magnesium-makes-me-worse/ I thought mag was going to be my answer for a couple days or a day then it turned ugly on me. I also react to vit D ... both reactions are covered in this article along with this interesting little tidbit "5. You’re on fluoridated medications that bind up your magnesium and make you deficient even when you’re taking magnesium. See a list of fluoridated medications at the Fluoride Toxicity Research Collaborative. On my Organized Wisdom Health Library I have a powerpoint presentation called The Future of Medicine. In it I have slides of many common drugs that are fluoridated: Prozac, Paxil, Lipitor, Cipro, Diflucan, and many more." I dont' think I was taking anything when I was trying the mag as I was in wd the first time ... the last was a year ago but I my D is low so that may be why.... The first time I tried it I had been on lipitor and may have been depleted it is hard to say... I have since stopped using floride tooth paste and now make my own we have floride in our water that is plenty for me. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted May 18, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 18, 2015 alto or anyone can you please explain how magnesium glutamate and magnesium aspartate are activating neurotransmitters ? is this bad for recovery therefore should be avoided ? According to Carolyn Dean in this article here magnesium glutamate or magnesium aspartate products will very likely make your depression worse, but she doesn't explain why. Please read through this topic from the beginning. Most members have found magnesium glycinate or magnesium citrate to be the most beneficial. I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikam Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I am still unsure about magnesium. I just read about some precaution. I wonder if somebody could comment on this? I may stop magnesium for some time (have been on it for one month, I think).Precautions In Taking Magnesium GlycinateBefore you decide taking oral supplements of magnesium glycinate, be sure to first consult your doctor. There are components in magnesium glycinate which can affect those who have liver problems, kidney problems, diabetes, alcohol dependence, or the like. If pregnant, it is recommended to use only if greatly needed because it is not known if it passes through breastmilk or if it can affect the child negatively. - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 1, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted June 1, 2015 Do you have any of those medical problems? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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