Eating / food as an activating factor (increasing anxiety or symptoms)

[JayUT]

On 8/18/2019 at 4:22 AM, icequeen said:

Blood tests showed that my body is full of lactic acid.

@icequeen

Not sure if your still around. Did the doctors provide an explanation for the elevated lactic acid?

 

Elevated lactic acid is theorized in fibromyalgia. Also, lactic acid relates to pyruvate that feeds the krebs cycle and krebs cycle / mitochondrial dysfunction is theorized in dysautonomia.

 

There are some theorize that fibromyalgia and dysautonomia can be triggered by stressful events such as drug withdrawal.

 

Makes me wonder what is happening to us.

 

By the way, I also get the symptom increase after eating. It usually lasts 2 hours. Smaller bland meals help lower the symptom escalation. Perhaps, large and flavorful meals are simply to demanding and activating for our nervous systems? Maybe?

 

 

[icequeen]

The doctors accused me of being an alcoholic as an explanation for the lactic acid. I am not, have never been and will never become an alcoholic. I usually don’t talk to doctors but had no choice but to do it when I was in hospital after surgeries for ileus. My intestines were necrotic as well so they had to remove parts. I also had sepsis. Anyway, the lactic acid is probably due to many factors in my case. Horrible muscle spasms all over, mitochondrial damage as you mentioned, lack of oxygen etc. I have been hospitalized for hypoxia twice and have had pneumonia twice during the sixteen years I have been ill. 

[JayUT]

@icequeen

I'm sorry the way the doctors accused you of being an alcoholic. That must feel terrible.

 

Did they check your thiamine level? Low thiamine is known in alcohol induced lactic acidosis and also gastro beriberi. Also, Thiamine deficiency is implicated in dysautonomia. I think thiamine deficiency is also associated with hypoxia.

 

I had a nutrient panel done 2 years into this ordeal and discovered I was B1 and B3 deficient.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066311/

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699997/#:~:text=Thiamine deficiency most commonly manifests,acidosis in severely ill patients.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780128103876/thiamine-deficiency-disease-dysautonomia-and-high-calorie-malnutrition#:~:text=Thiamine deficiency derails mitochondrial oxidative,we now recognize as dysautonomia.

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01616412.2017.1331895

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5646851/

[Colonial]

During the worst of my withdrawals I couldn't eat carbs or sugar in the afternoons from say 3pm to 8pm at night.

It would make me extremely lethargic and I would almost fall asleep but instead stay conscious but fall into sleep paralysis.

I could have a hard boiled egg or peanuts but only really pure proteins like that.

 

So I needed to make sure I ate in the mornings even though it wasn't my preferred time or it was trouble.

If I forgot or if food  wasn't available going hungry was preferable to the nightmare of not being able to move or open your eyes.

But after 9pm? Pull out the heavy pasta and we were good to go!  Unbelievable...

 

 

[ChessieCat]

52 minutes ago, Colonial said:

But after 9pm? Pull out the heavy pasta and we were good to go!  Unbelievable...

 

Maybe add that to the insomnia topic!!!  Just joking of course.

[PsychologicalSafe15]

On 3/24/2015 at 8:40 AM, Mort81 said:

Is it your gut that tenses up first before eating ? or just after ? I also came off of Lexapro so I think Gut related issues may be pretty common.  

@Mort81 Did your gut heal by now ? How long did it take to heal ?

[Riccardo]

Hi everyone,

 

I started having these kind of symptoms as well, especially after eating. I am grateful I found this blog and post in specific. 

I am quite sure these are withdrawal symptoms as I started experiencing them only after stopping cymbalta (and they practically disappeared immediately after reinstating it).

The heart beating faster, mental confusion and chest / left arm pain were really scary, I feared for my life honestly, so I went back on duloxetine, but this time with 1/2 dose.

 

I still have these symptoms, but less intense and more "tolerable", trying to taper now slowly...

The peculiar thing is the tingling with sometimes even slight pain in my left arm (only the left one) and left foot. Does anyone of you feel the same?

As far as I am from a meal, the less worse I feel. 

 

I started taking magnesium, omega 3 and vitamin D, hoping they will help me, somehow (I know they do not make miracles, but any tiny help counts).

 

I am determined to taper and win this challenge against this "monster". My question to all of you is the following: can these symptoms be life - threatening?

 

Thanks to anyone who will take the time to read and reply, I really appreciate it.

Sending you lots of positive energy and strength. Do not ever give up.

 

 

 

[Riccardo]

Hi All,

 

Just to share that I will try to take diamine oxidase. After some research, I found that this might help. Until I was using cymbalta 60 mg I never experienced any issue, but since I reduced, I feel increased heart beat after eating. Then, after some hours, the situation gets normalized. It's been pointed out that this might be connected to high histamine levels; diamine oxidase is a food supplement which might be able to help. If this works, it could really be a breakthrough, as it is my major withdrawal symptom (if not the only one...). Has anyone tried it? 

[Wanttofreemyself]

It's a weird phenomenon, ever since I changed my dosing which caused me to get bad anxiety again, I have been noticing a rise in anxiety when I'm eating or after I just ate. At first I thought it was just hitting me during when I'm eating, an coincidence but I'm not so sure anymore

[Wanttofreemyself]

Also, anyone lost their appetite? this past week i haven't felt hungry and eat less now, its probably the anxiety ruining my appetite but anyone else experience this?

[ChessieCat]

This has been posted elsewhere but thought it would be good to add it here too:

 

11 hours ago, FeralCatman said:

 

Adrenaline Surges While Eating

 

As a result of my protracted withdrawal from Seroquel I have developed an issue with having adrenaline surges while eating. I looked this up on line and found a blog for people who have various forms of dysautonomia. Many people in withdrawal develop dysautonomic type symptoms while recovering so I thought a link to this blog could be helpful in dealing with some of the symptoms that we are experiencing. This link is to the Dysautonomia Information Network and many people with Dysautonomia not related to drug withdrawal experience this particular symptom and there is a lot of good information on what may be causing it and how to deal with it and make it less troublesome.

 

https://www.dinet.org/forums/topic/8817-adrenaline-rush-brought-on-by-eating/

 

 

[FeralCatman]

Fatigue and Anxiety after Eating

 

I have had periodic problems with severe fatigue and anxiety after eating. It is not every time but has to do with the human stress response. I found the following information regarding this that I thought may be helpful for some. It was helpful for me to better understand what is going on.

 

https://www.anxietycentre.com/anxiety-disorders/symptoms/feel-sick-and-tired-after-eating/

 

https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/causes/after-eating

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by ChessieCat
added topic title before merging with existing topic

[FeralCatman]

What I am finding is that an increase in symptoms during or after eating is due to an over active stress response due to the induced imbalance that protracted withdrawal causes in the autonomic nervous system (ANS). It leaves your body in a sympathetic dominant state of high alert. Add any additional stress and that alert just goes higher and often times tips the scales into fight or flight. The fight or flight response takes resources away from your digestion and reallocates them to other more critical body systems. As noted in the articles from my previous post stress and anxiety affect digestion.

 

https://www.anxietycentre.com/anxiety-disorders/symptoms/feel-sick-and-tired-after-eating/

 

https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/causes/after-eating

 

At least in my case it seems to work in both directions. During my experience with PAWS I have found that my body reacts to normal body functions as if those functions were a stress or threat and raises the stress response level. Early on this included urination, defecation, laying on my side, food and drink that was too hot or too cold, eating too fast or too much which increases belly pressure, etc. At that point pretty much anything could set it off. I was tested for mast cell issues and my histamine levels were normal but my DAO level was low so I have issues with processing dietary histamine. I also tested positive for gut dysbiosis which also impairs digestion so even without everything else I have digestive issues. So, even though my histamine levels were normal a slightly higher histamine level in my foods could be interpreted by my ANS as a threat or stress and raise my reaction level. Increased histamine in food alters histamine receptor nerve signalling which is probably what my body picks up on and treats it as a threat or stress.  At first even a glass of water that was too hot or too cold would tip the scales. 8 months later it is not as bad but still present. I am finding that when I have external stress to deal with that is driving things that I need to switch to a diet that is comprised of easy to digest foods because my body is already bordering on fight or flight which does 2 things. It impairs digestion while at the same time it is interpreting the digestive process as an additional stress and it raises my stress response level to cope with having to digest whatever it was that I ate. This of course actually takes away more resources from digestion which is not helpful and makes things worse and the fight or flight response gets stronger, it is part of a maladaptive stress response induced by the withdrawal. If things go on too long the stress response gets high enough that my digestion shuts down completely and I get symptoms of gastroparesis which is a very nasty experience. So, If I eat things that don't put so much of a load on my digestion and that require less resources to process I do better. This may also include eating smaller amounts instead of larger meals or in my case only eating 2 meals a day to allow for plenty of time to process things in between meals. It would be different for everyone. As things calm down I can eat more variety. As things flare up I have to go back to the easier to digest foods for a bit until things calm down again. Wash, rinse, repeat. It is getting better with time but I am definitely not there yet. Not sure if this will apply to others but it may. I am currently experimenting with making home made baby food in my new blender to see if it helps me feel better while still providing the nutrition I need. Here is a list of easy to digest foods if you decide to try this idea for yourself.

 

https://unifyhealthlabs.com/easiest-foods-to-digest/

[FeralCatman]

In addition to what I just posted I want to add that there are multiple issues that act in a negative synergistic way to cause the misery I experience, it is not just one thing. It is a combination of gut damage in the form of gut dysbiosis, a low DAO level which leaves me vulnerable to dietary histamine, and a maladaptive stress response induced by the withdrawal from Seroquel. The good thing is that there are multiple things you can do to lessen the impact of each issue to help yourself feel better. It just takes time and some experimentation and a lot of reading.

[Heath]

@FeralCatman Thanks for posting the info!

I have experienced similar symptoms after eating before but not in a long time. I have felt them different times over the years during ssri usage and tapering. With me there was no certain time or thing or maybe it was I just didn’t investigate. 
 

To me it felt like all the blood rushed to my digestive system. I felt dizzy, weak, fatigue feelings. Could feel heart beat in my neck and such. I remember mostly feeling this during the Paxil years off and on. 
 

Currently my stomach is mad at me. It’s been upside down for a few months- fast and slow whenever it wants. 
But yes eating cleaner and slower and smaller meals. I have to make myself sit there and eat slow or I will pay. 

[FeralCatman]

As of yesterday I have tested out this theory 3 times now with consistent results each time. Yesterday morning I went back to eating a regular breakfast full of high fiber vegetables to see what would happen and I was not disappointed. I was also in a hurry to make an early appointment yesterday so I wolfed it down. Within 3 hours the anxiety came roaring to life and then I developed crippling fatigue that lasted the rest of the day. I ate a light supper last night and felt better this morning. This morning I just had a skinless potato, unsweetened applesauce, and scrambled eggs and tonight I feel just fine with no symptoms and went for a 1.5 mile walk. So, now when I feel symptoms coming on or I have external stress starting to pile up I can fall back on the list of easy to digest foods and it helps greatly to keep things down to a dull roar. I am however going to change my blender processed cooked vegetables from 'baby food' to 'astronaut food'. It's pretty much what they eat and astronaut food sounds much cooler 😜

 

I also have a recommendation from the doctor who originally referred me to this website and from my nutritionist for a brain retraining program called the Gupta Program. They have both used it in their patients with great success. It uses the theories of neuroplasticity to help calm down an over active stress response and is used for anxiety, CFS, Fibromyalgia, and other hard to treat disorders. You do it from home at your own pace. The first 28 days are free so you can look things over and then there is a fee to access the rest of the program. I cannot endorse this. I haven't tried any of it yet. I don't know if it will help. However, the theory of neuroplasticity and healing does make sense to me so I am going to give it a try and see if any of what they have to teach is helpful. Here is a link to that program. I will post what I think of it after I have had time to really give it a good try.

 

https://www.guptaprogram.com/

[FeralCatman]

I had 2 days of bad sleep due to excessive urination at night so yesterday I switched back to scrambled eggs, applesauce, rice, and ginger tea and wa-la.....last night I slept 7 hours including an over 3 hour stretch. So switching to easy to digest foods for a couple of days has now worked for a 4th time so that will be my go to when symptoms crop up. For whatever reason my brain is over reacting to what it perceives as stress in my digestion. Take away the stress and the brain calms right down. I am going to do the same diet today and tomorrow except use potato instead of rice and after that switch to smoothies for a few days with whey protein powder than will start eating as normal again after that. Seems like if you catch the process while it is winding up you can short circuit it by removing the stress.

[Antecedent]

Can you have a sudden sweating, tachycardia, dizziness, nausea right after eating? It happened to me today for the first time. It was a large meal with greasy food... I am 5 months off paxil and 1,5 years into Long covid/CFS type condition. After going off paxil new symptoms just keep popping up, I am so scared that this has nothing to do with paxil, but that my health is just deteriorating...

[Heath]

8 hours ago, Antecedent said:

Can you have a sudden sweating, tachycardia, dizziness, nausea right after eating? It happened to me today for the first time. It was a large meal with greasy food... I am 5 months off paxil and 1,5 years into Long covid/CFS type condition. After going off paxil new symptoms just keep popping up, I am so scared that this has nothing to do with paxil, but that my health is just deteriorating...

Yes you can have these symptoms in wd and/or side effects of ssris. I have had these symptoms happen to me while taking and tapering ssris. My symptoms have been hard blood pressure pulse in neck and fatigue , headache, out of breath, feels like all my blood rushed to stomach leaving no blood for other parts of the body , after eating before. And it actually happened today with tension around neck and shoulders. I ate something that most likely had too much msg in it. ?? First time in a long time. 

I never had these symptoms before ssris. 

[FeralCatman]

For those who are really struggling with eating for various reasons the following link may be helpful. My nutritionist sent me this and I use this from time to time when my guts are acting up. It is instructions for making blenderized liquid foods put out by the University of Virginia nutrition department that are easier to digest. You can pretty much make anything into a liquid and I have found it helpful at times.

 

https://med.virginia.edu/ginutrition/wp-content/uploads/sites/199/2014/04/High-Calorie-Liquid-Diet.pdf

 

 

[FeralCatman]

I think I may have figured out where many of the digestive issues and possibly some other issues come from during this process. It all boils down to the stress response. Reducing any of these medications generates a stress response which is why doing it slowly and holding between dosage drops is necessary. Some have a higher stress response to this process than others which explains the wide variability in symptoms and their severity. Do it too rapidly and this stress response builds on itself and tends to snowball which may be a part of the limbic kindling response that has been reported by so many people. As shown in the following links, stress affects your digestion. The higher your stress levels go the more your digestion gets shut down and if it gets bad enough like it did for me a year ago your digestion shuts down completely and your poop turns nearly white due to lack of bile because your liver is over stressed. Stress also affects your microbiome in your gut and causes it to deplete which creates more digestive stress which then adds to the overall stress response. These stress responses also create immune inflammatory responses which then negatively impact the gut and body which also adds to the overall stress response. An overactive inflammatory response is never a good thing. Neurotransmitters in the peripheral nervous system are manufactured in the gut and as the microbiome depletes these neurotransmitters necessary for the operation of your peripheral nervous system also become depleted and so things start to not operate correctly which also adds to the stress response and to the autonomic dysfunction. The immune inflammatory response which starts because of all of this could then lead to food allergies/sensitivities during the recovery process as well as cause other issues such as odd aches and pains, skin burning, etc. The depleted microbiome also alters the signaling in the Gut Brain connection through the vagus nerve which then goes on to alter functioning of your HpA axis which is where your fight or flight response is controlled. This HpA axis also controls your endocrine system and your autonomic nervous system which when disrupted causes more chaos and more stress. This explains why people have such crazy and varied symptoms and it feels like your body is going haywire. The individual stress responses feed on each other and on themselves. All of these snowballing individual effects of the stress response are additive and they all add up to a big ugly and very miserable stress snowman when all of the snowballs get stacked on each other. Here are the links which describe all of this.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5736941/

 

https://insight.microba.com/stress-and-the-gut-microbiome/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22314561/

 

So, though we all would like to find that one thing that will help us feel better that really doesn't exist for most of us. It's about what we do holistically to take care of ourselves as a whole person, body and mind, that will help us get through this. It's why the 10% harm reduction protocol works and why you need to listen carefully to your body so you don't get into serious trouble like I did last year and extend the misery any longer than necessary. The suggestions and guidelines on this website are there for a reason. They work if you stick with them.

 

1. The most important thing is to reduce medications at a rate that produces minimal or no symptoms as recommended to keep the stress response as low as possible as it is this stress response which seems to do much of the damage that we all have to heal from in addition to the damage done by the medications themselves over time. No need to add insult to injury. For some this will be much lower than 10% but better to go slower than to suffer needlessly.

 

2. Do everything you can to keep your stress levels as low as possible both physical and mental during the process and this should help limit the damage done during tapering and subsequent withdrawal.

 

3. A good nutritious diet and hydration are key to healing. Eat as well as you can with as much variety of pre-biotic foods as possible to support a healthy gut. As you heal food tolerances may change and this will vary widely based on individual tolerances. Going with one diet such as keto, or paleo, or low carb, etc. may not be a panacea. For many it will be some combination of all of them. Experiment and find what works well for you. Eat for nutrition. For me right now this means low histamine and running foods through a blender to lower my digestive stress while the rest of my body is stressed so the snowman doesn't get any bigger. The nutritional value is still there no matter how the foods get in.

 

4. Whatever exercise you can tolerate is good. It doesn't matter what it is. Gentle is better as vigorous exercise tends to activate the stress response and can make things worse. I found out the hard way last year that this is something you cannot just push through. If you try your body will fight back and will very quickly sit you on your ass with a shocked and confused look on your face.

 

5. Anything that your body will tolerate that promotes gut health and a healthy microbiome will be beneficial. If you can have access to a nutritionist or better yet a holistic nutritionist who understands "food as medicine" and doesn't want to push a bunch of supplements then going this route may be helpful. Many diet apps can help you as well to keep track of your nutrient intake.

 

6. Avoid neuroactive chemicals like caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine as these just confuse the nervous system even more. Alcohol is one of the worst things for disrupting gut function as it depletes the microbiome and depletes Diamine Oxidase (DAO) which reduces your ability to metabolize histamine and can lead to hisamine intolerance.

 

6. BE PATIENT

 

(I am not a doctor or a nutritionist. I am just a patient trying to get though this process so none of what I say is medical advice but is a summary of what I have discovered in my research. Remember that what works for one person could be detrimental to another. Experimentation and personalization are key to the healing process)

[FeralCatman]

I just realized that a lot of what I said in this last post I already said in a previous post. It is still good information and a good summary however it could have been a lot shorter. I sometimes forget to check my previous posts and will try to remember to do that for now on to avoid duplication. My memory is still not the best and I have been learning so much through this process sometimes I lose track of where I've already been and what I've written. Sorry about that.

[SertralineIssues29]

On 3/16/2023 at 12:00 PM, FeralCatman said:

I think I may have figured out where many of the digestive issues and possibly some other issues come from during this process. It all boils down to the stress response. Reducing any of these medications generates a stress response which is why doing it slowly and holding between dosage drops is necessary. Some have a higher stress response to this process than others which explains the wide variability in symptoms and their severity. Do it too rapidly and this stress response builds on itself and tends to snowball which may be a part of the limbic kindling response that has been reported by so many people. As shown in the following links, stress affects your digestion. The higher your stress levels go the more your digestion gets shut down and if it gets bad enough like it did for me a year ago your digestion shuts down completely and your poop turns nearly white due to lack of bile because your liver is over stressed. Stress also affects your microbiome in your gut and causes it to deplete which creates more digestive stress which then adds to the overall stress response. These stress responses also create immune inflammatory responses which then negatively impact the gut and body which also adds to the overall stress response. An overactive inflammatory response is never a good thing. Neurotransmitters in the peripheral nervous system are manufactured in the gut and as the microbiome depletes these neurotransmitters necessary for the operation of your peripheral nervous system also become depleted and so things start to not operate correctly which also adds to the stress response and to the autonomic dysfunction. The immune inflammatory response which starts because of all of this could then lead to food allergies/sensitivities during the recovery process as well as cause other issues such as odd aches and pains, skin burning, etc. The depleted microbiome also alters the signaling in the Gut Brain connection through the vagus nerve which then goes on to alter functioning of your HpA axis which is where your fight or flight response is controlled. This HpA axis also controls your endocrine system and your autonomic nervous system which when disrupted causes more chaos and more stress. This explains why people have such crazy and varied symptoms and it feels like your body is going haywire. The individual stress responses feed on each other and on themselves. All of these snowballing individual effects of the stress response are additive and they all add up to a big ugly and very miserable stress snowman when all of the snowballs get stacked on each other. Here are the links which describe all of this.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5736941/

 

https://insight.microba.com/stress-and-the-gut-microbiome/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22314561/

 

So, though we all would like to find that one thing that will help us feel better that really doesn't exist for most of us. It's about what we do holistically to take care of ourselves as a whole person, body and mind, that will help us get through this. It's why the 10% harm reduction protocol works and why you need to listen carefully to your body so you don't get into serious trouble like I did last year and extend the misery any longer than necessary. The suggestions and guidelines on this website are there for a reason. They work if you stick with them.

 

1. The most important thing is to reduce medications at a rate that produces minimal or no symptoms as recommended to keep the stress response as low as possible as it is this stress response which seems to do much of the damage that we all have to heal from in addition to the damage done by the medications themselves over time. No need to add insult to injury. For some this will be much lower than 10% but better to go slower than to suffer needlessly.

 

2. Do everything you can to keep your stress levels as low as possible both physical and mental during the process and this should help limit the damage done during tapering and subsequent withdrawal.

 

3. A good nutritious diet and hydration are key to healing. Eat as well as you can with as much variety of pre-biotic foods as possible to support a healthy gut. As you heal food tolerances may change and this will vary widely based on individual tolerances. Going with one diet such as keto, or paleo, or low carb, etc. may not be a panacea. For many it will be some combination of all of them. Experiment and find what works well for you. Eat for nutrition. For me right now this means low histamine and running foods through a blender to lower my digestive stress while the rest of my body is stressed so the snowman doesn't get any bigger. The nutritional value is still there no matter how the foods get in.

 

4. Whatever exercise you can tolerate is good. It doesn't matter what it is. Gentle is better as vigorous exercise tends to activate the stress response and can make things worse. I found out the hard way last year that this is something you cannot just push through. If you try your body will fight back and will very quickly sit you on your ass with a shocked and confused look on your face.

 

5. Anything that your body will tolerate that promotes gut health and a healthy microbiome will be beneficial. If you can have access to a nutritionist or better yet a holistic nutritionist who understands "food as medicine" and doesn't want to push a bunch of supplements then going this route may be helpful. Many diet apps can help you as well to keep track of your nutrient intake.

 

6. Avoid neuroactive chemicals like caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine as these just confuse the nervous system even more. Alcohol is one of the worst things for disrupting gut function as it depletes the microbiome and depletes Diamine Oxidase (DAO) which reduces your ability to metabolize histamine and can lead to hisamine intolerance.

 

6. BE PATIENT

 

(I am not a doctor or a nutritionist. I am just a patient trying to get though this process so none of what I say is medical advice but is a summary of what I have discovered in my research. Remember that what works for one person could be detrimental to another. Experimentation and personalization are key to the healing process)

This is a very interesting post, I've been trying to find a reason for my weird stool. Since ct 5 months ago amongst all the other problems I've noticed my stool is a bright yellow colour all the time with a little mucus, I too put it down to the stress as I've had blood tests which say my liver is fine and to be honest I don't really have any pain or cramps in my stomach or abdomen, just the weird coloured poop lol

[Chompoo]

On 8/28/2012 at 3:19 AM, Rhiannon said:

Just some directions to look. I used to have a lot of trouble with MSG and other sources of free glutamate, but as I've become more stable and onto lower doses that's settled down a lot and I can eat seaweed and some processed foods without crumbling into an anxious, destabilized mess now.

@Rhiannon did you ever go into a wave from eating food with MSG? If so, how long did it last? I had some rice crackers a few days ago and only realised afterwards that they contained MSG. Since then, I have been having a lot of difficulty with insomnia. Had zero hour sleep on the first night, some sleep on the second night, and still strugglig with falling asleep on the third night. Wondering when will this end. It feels like I've been thrown way back in my recovery and starting from ground zero again.

[Chompoo]

On 12/5/2022 at 5:01 AM, Heath said:

Yes you can have these symptoms in wd and/or side effects of ssris. I have had these symptoms happen to me while taking and tapering ssris. My symptoms have been hard blood pressure pulse in neck and fatigue , headache, out of breath, feels like all my blood rushed to stomach leaving no blood for other parts of the body , after eating before. And it actually happened today with tension around neck and shoulders. I ate something that most likely had too much msg in it. ?? First time in a long time. 

I never had these symptoms before ssris. 

@Heath Have you ever gone into a wave from taking too much MSG in your food? If so, how long did your wave last? I had some rice crackers a few days ago and only realised afterwards that they contained MSG. Since then, I have been having a lot of difficulty with insomnia. Had zero hour sleep on the first night, some sleep on the second night, and still strugglig with falling asleep on the third night. Wondering when will this end. It feels like I've been thrown way back in my recovery and starting from ground zero again.

[Heath]

@Chompoo. I have not gone into a wave from msg that I know of. It gave me headache. 

[Chompoo]

@Heath thanks for letting me know.

 

[Ma205]

Has ANYONE here experienced anxiety/ panic/crying hysterically after meals? I didn’t make the connection for the last 6 months or so until recently.. I’d start with severe panic in am and mid afternoon. Now I can literally time it to 1-1.5 hours after meals. This is absolutely terrifying as I have to eat to survive and I’m losing so much weight. I have to literally sit and meditate for an hour after meals to not “fully” lose it. Dinner doesn’t seem to be a huge issue. Please tell me someone has experienced this.

[Altostrata]

See above.

[Ma205]

3 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

See above.

it seems like some people have experienced it. Mine is actual terror/panic. I have to sit down and meditate for like 2 hours after meals. If I dare stand up it’s a **** show. Is this POTS? How do I keep tapering like this. Iv come down on Ativan a bit and it’s just getting worse. I’d eat just broth all day but i my ssri needs tons of food for absorption and Iv lost so much weight 

[Altostrata]

Please put questions about your particular situation in your Introductions topic.

[Prozack]

I want to make this topic alive to get any confirmation.

 

I am 5 years off and I'm experiencing this every day. Until I have empty stomach I feel relatively stable. As soon I start eating all my symptoms are awaken at the same time. Just one bite and I experience flu-like symptoms, fever, I got cold hands and legs, start breathing shortly (years ago got panic attack), headache, nausea, my stomach and gut became jerked, my whole body and muscles became jerked, it become hard to swallow, I enter into fight and flight mode and I start sweating, get brain fog... In general all the symptoms are manifested.

 

I have tried many different foods. (Don't have any allergies, tested!) I would say that it is not about gluten, diary, histamine, caffeine, sugar of any similar sensitivity. It is all about toxins. Because all food is toxic: pesticides, heavy metals, plastic, mold, PFAS, natural toxins, artificial sweeteners, flavoring, additives...

 

Lets take a look at coffee. If I drink clear coffee (that is hard to get), I feel relaxed. But a random coffee contains mold, pesticides and is from plastic package. And it is similar to sugar; I tried different organic maple syrups (a lot of sugars) and some are better so I worst. On the other hand eggs (low carb) are awful if they are from conventional agriculture, but organic are much much better. And it's the same with any food. But it's hard to get clear, pure food, so I can't get rid of it totally. If I just PUT AN ARM into plastic package of organic potato chips, my arm get pain, start jerking. However, I eat organic food (not from plastic) now and it's much, much easier.

 

It's not just food. I am hypersensitive to any toxins: I can't tolerate moldy rooms, cleaning fluids, chlorine, wool, plastic... Everything makes the things worse.

 

Has anyone seen something similar. And if so, does it stop one time?

 

On 10/27/2023 at 9:22 PM, Ma205 said:

Has ANYONE here experienced anxiety/ panic/crying hysterically after meals? I didn’t make the connection for the last 6 months or so until recently.. I’d start with severe panic in am and mid afternoon. Now I can literally time it to 1-1.5 hours after meals. This is absolutely terrifying as I have to eat to survive and I’m losing so much weight. I have to literally sit and meditate for an hour after meals to not “fully” lose it. Dinner doesn’t seem to be a huge issue. Please tell me someone has experienced this.

 

Yes, very very similar. But I haven't notice that its easier in the evening but if the sun is outside. If it's raining these symptoms after meals are worst.

 

[Ma205]

29 minutes ago, Prozack said:

I want to make this topic alive to get any confirmation.

 

I am 5 years off and I'm experiencing this every day. Until I have empty stomach I feel relatively stable. As soon I start eating all my symptoms are awaken at the same time. Just one bite and I experience flu-like symptoms, fever, I got cold hands and legs, start breathing shortly (years ago got panic attack), headache, nausea, my stomach and gut became jerked, my whole body and muscles became jerked, it become hard to swallow, I enter into fight and flight mode and I start sweating, get brain fog... In general all the symptoms are manifested.

 

I have tried many different foods. (Don't have any allergies, tested!) I would say that it is not about gluten, diary, histamine, caffeine, sugar of any similar sensitivity. It is all about toxins. Because all food is toxic: pesticides, heavy metals, plastic, mold, PFAS, natural toxins, artificial sweeteners, flavoring, additives...

 

Lets take a look at coffee. If I drink clear coffee (that is hard to get), I feel relaxed. But a random coffee contains mold, pesticides and is from plastic package. And it is similar to sugar; I tried different organic maple syrups (a lot of sugars) and some are better so I worst. On the other hand eggs (low carb) are awful if they are from conventional agriculture, but organic are much much better. And it's the same with any food. But it's hard to get clear, pure food, so I can't get rid of it totally. If I just PUT AN ARM into plastic package of organic potato chips, my arm get pain, start jerking. However, I eat organic food (not from plastic) now and it's much, much easier.

 

It's not just food. I am hypersensitive to any toxins: I can't tolerate moldy rooms, cleaning fluids, chlorine, wool, plastic... Everything makes the things worse.

 

Has anyone seen something similar. And if so, does it stop one time?

 

 

Yes, very very similar. But I haven't notice that its easier in the evening but if the sun is outside. If it's raining these symptoms after meals are worst.

 

you sound like you have MCS. I am doing limbic training with DNRS and that’s a huge thing for mcs. I’d look into that or Gupta program. So sorry for what you’re going through!! It’s your nervous system is having a crazy response to things. 

[Altostrata]

@Prozack unlikely that you're reacting to toxins in your food. Having gone on and off 12 drugs since 2009, your system is probably hypersensitive to a lot of things. Suggest you go on an exclusion diet for a while.

[Prozack]

14 hours ago, Prozack said:

And it is similar to sugar; I tried different organic maple syrups (a lot of sugars) and some are better, but some are worse.

I make a stupid mistake there. Here is what I thought.

[Prozack]

13 hours ago, Ma205 said:

you sound like you have MCS. I am doing limbic training with DNRS and that’s a huge thing for mcs. I’d look into that or Gupta program. So sorry for what you’re going through!! It’s your nervous system is having a crazy response to things. 

 

Thank you. It made me a bit more calm - MCS could be the thing! But there is a question... How much is is connected with WD symptoms. Is it a WD symptoms or is it something separated?