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Downbutnotout
7 hours ago, aberdeen said:

I have seen 2 examples today while reading of people who recovered. I dont know their timeframe. One is Songbird and one is ChessieCat. I did have anhedonia for years, however I was either on high doses or tapering for almost all of that time frame. Once I was completely off is when I noticed it going away in a window/wave pattern, not a gradual linear or sudden thing by any means. I know what you mean about the little flashes and how cruel they are. I think my recovery from anhedonia once I was off the meds would have been more complete/fast were I not a middle aged woman going through a major hormonal shift. Many symptoms of peri-menopause in women involve exactly this sort of thing. I know how much hormones can wreak havoc as the post-baby hormones are exactly what landed me on these drugs in the first place. So consider this, when my timeline seems frightening. I think a lot of women find our healing more complex/lengthened by the impact of changing reproductive hormone levels. It probably won't take as long as you fear. 

I’m happy for you. That’s great. 

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Downbutnotout
1 hour ago, Downbutnotout said:

I am very concerned I have something else wrong with me. I did start out with a depression. It’s turned into something much worse. I wish it was as simple as updosing. I think I’m missing something more important here. Could there be other factors contributing to this? Maybe it’s not one size fits all.  Maybe blaming everything on wd is not realistic . There are exceptions to every rule aren’t there? I am really impressed with the knowledge on here and how many people are helped. 

 

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Hellbutrin

Emotional blunting and lack of positive emotions has been my %100 most persistent symptoms throughout this whole process and I was just wanting to get some feedback to see if this does eventually resolve itself. I can't imagine a life where I will feel like this forever, it seems kind of pointless. 

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dreamingneonblack

Hello community,

 

Has anybody felt like they are unable to connect with or feel empathy for others while in W/D? I always considered empathy to be one of my greatest traits and have recently realized that I've not been this way since I tapered from my most difficult downdose over a year ago. I remember being more numb when I was on my full paxil dose, but this feels different.

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wantrelief

Thank you so much for writing this update regarding your daughter.  I have severe apathy whilst still on medication (have reached tolerance) and am trying to taper off.  It brings me a lot of hope to know this symptom does pass as it is really hard to live like this.  Your daughter is so lucky to have you by her side.

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JS11

Yes, thankyou DrugFreeProf.,

 

Hope is frequently so hard to find and hold onto especially when one is in the thick of withdrawal symptoms.  I reiterate what WantRelief said.  

 

take care,

JS11
 

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spokety
27 minutes ago, DrugfreeProf said:

My daughter, Lex1992, has had EXTREME anhedonia and SEVERE apathy for a good part of the time she's been off meds, which is now going on 17 months.  Recently, the anhedonia has begun to lift--she now is laughing and showing positive emotions, after being emotionally flat and virtually silent throughout this period period.  Improvement has been very, very slow and gradual, but lately it has occurred suddenly and remarkably. So hang in there-- it does get better!=

Glad your on here doing research and interacting with other victims.  My parents refuse to do it, no matter how many times I ask them to :(.  I've had the same anhedonia and apathy from when I took Saphris (an anti-psychotic) a while back.  My problem is every time I start to get my emotions back I have some type of "episode" that lands me in the hospital.  Sometimes it's my parents fault, sometimes it's my fault.  I don't really know how to stop this cycle.

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Downbutnotout
1 hour ago, DrugfreeProf said:

My daughter, Lex1992, has had EXTREME anhedonia and SEVERE apathy for a good part of the time she's been off meds, which is now going on 17 months.  Recently, the anhedonia has begun to lift--she now is laughing and showing positive emotions, after being emotionally flat and virtually silent throughout this period period.  Improvement has been very, very slow and gradual, but lately it has occurred suddenly and remarkably. So hang in there-- it does get better!=

Yes, it would be nice to know this would somehow go away one day. It’s such a hard thing to live with. I’m glad your dtr got her humanity back. 

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spokety
3 hours ago, Downbutnotout said:

Yes, it would be nice to know this would somehow go away one day. It’s such a hard thing to live with. I’m glad your dtr got her humanity back. 

How long have you been off the meds? Have you seen any improvement?

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Downbutnotout

I didn’t taper down. So don’t go by me. No, I am not doing well. Others on here are improving all the time. I am on 6 beads. 

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Frogie
On March 7, 2018 at 12:53 AM, dreamingneonblack said:

Hello community,

 

Has anybody felt like they are unable to connect with or feel empathy for others while in W/D? I always considered empathy to be one of my greatest traits and have recently realized that I've not been this way since I tapered from my most difficult downdose over a year ago. I remember being more numb when I was on my full paxil dose, but this feels different.

Haven't heard from you forever!

 

Are you done with your meds or still taking them?

 

I hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

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spokety
5 hours ago, Downbutnotout said:

I didn’t taper down. So don’t go by me. No, I am not doing well. Others on here are improving all the time. I am on 6 beads. 

I didn't taper down either.  I stopped cold turkey.  I'm sorry your not doing well.  I haven't had any real improvement either.  Did others give tips on how to improve?  What does 6 beads mean?

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Downbutnotout

I take 6 beads out of a effexor tablet and take it. It was supposed to help my wd symptoms.,but I’m not sure it does much. It helps the anxiety a little. I also take 50 mg if trazadone.  

 I wish I was off everything . 

 

Im in a depression, and that’s the way it is. I was before I stopped the drugs. Actually, the doctor wanted to switch me to other things and I had a bad reaction

 

it would’ve been better to stop this stuff when I was feeling okay. So if you did that you’re further ahead. I took this for 25 years so I have a lot to overcome. It would’ve been better to stop it before I ever took it. 

 

i am flat on my emotions, and haven’t felt like myself for 9 months when the latest episode started.

 

lots of people on here are doing well. So, I’m not the best person to talk to. I was hoping I’d feel a lot better by now. 

 

How about you? 

 

 

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Offforgood

Hi I have been off all meds since July 2017 basically CT I was emotionally blunted but now feeling all emotions and beginning to relive and remember childhood traumas and pain and dealing with chronic apathy anxiety and no motivation to do my work.  I curse the day I started taking meds 28 YEARS ago and I have been on every med! Wish I spent my time in therapy dealing with the issues causing my apathy, procrastination etc than being over medicated all these years.. I know I need to "move on" but I get so angry!

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spokety
2 hours ago, Offforgood said:

Hi I have been off all meds since July 2017 basically CT I was emotionally blunted but now feeling all emotions and beginning to relive and remember childhood traumas and pain and dealing with chronic apathy anxiety and no motivation to do my work.  I curse the day I started taking meds 28 YEARS ago and I have been on every med! Wish I spent my time in therapy dealing with the issues causing my apathy, procrastination etc than being over medicated all these years.. I know I need to "move on" but I get so angry!

28 years? I couldn't imagine having suffered that long.  Surely you haven't been suffering everyday the past 28 years?

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Downbutnotout

At least you got some emotion going, but those are not good things to think about. 

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Zeipii

I have the same desperate situation since 11 months after just 2 weeks of bupropion use. Being a safe alternative.... a great lie. Will this anhedonia, emptiness, total pssd and fully unmotivated state ever stop. My whole life is in ruins. Any knowledge about bupropion success stories or anything related? 

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Hellbutrin

Can someone PLEASE direct me to ANY examples of individuals that recovered from anhedonia from wellbutrin withdrawal? I'm going on ten months post C/T and I haven't seen any change in this symptom at all. I have no motivation to do anything and I can't seem to get excited or feel any joy about anything. I'm so tired of feeling this way. I'm also really concerned because most of the reports that I've seen have expressed that Wellbutrin/Bupropion are usually the go to drugs that doctors recommend to treat anhedonia. I've also seen reports that Wellbutrin shares properties to amphetamines, which is terrifying because I know a lot of the side effects of amphetamine use are often permanent. I haven't had any windows in ten months and I'm desperate for reassurance that this will get better eventually. 

 

I'm supposed to be getting married in 6 months and I'd love to feel at least some semblance of happiness about it, but I just can't. I don't feel anything, I just feel like I'm going through the motions of day to day life waiting for things to get better, but they don't. 

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Meeto

mine has improved, but I'm not sure if it's completely gone as I have other issues that make it hard to enjoy things.

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Zeipii
On 8/27/2017 at 11:05 PM, Hellbutrin said:

Hi everyone,

 

I was just wondering if anyone could give me some feedback on their experiences with anhedonia from withdrawal from antidepressants and how long it lasted. I tapered off of Wellbutrin completely 3 weeks ago but I only tapered for a month and a half, so I haven't seen any difference in my symptoms. I know that three weeks is not a long time to wait for symptoms to improve since I was taking Wellbutrin for over a year, but I was taking the lowest dose of the medication that I could take. I've been having SEVERE anhedonia, so much so that I can't seen to establish any level of self awareness. I've also been having a pretty difficult time concentrating the last few weeks, which is pretty concerning to me as well. I've had some reassuring feedback from the site administrators on some of my other posts, but I wanted to see if any other site users have experienced prolonged anhedonia when using a relatively low dose of a antidepressant over an extended amount of time, and what type of changes they experienced when they noticed the anhedonia starting to ease away. Any feedback is much appreciated!

Total anhedonia and pssd from Wellbutrin, no improvement in one year. Bedridden, lost work, lost everything. Sorry to tell this... 

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Altostrata

Hellbutrin, you keep on coming up with these odd questions. Please go to the Introductions forum and search for

 

"anhedonia"

"emotional blunting"

"emotional anesthesia"

 

to see how people are doing. Emotional anesthesia is a very, very common consequence of taking psychiatric drugs. If no one ever recovered from it, we would tell you. Usually it is accompanied by other withdrawal symptoms. such as sleeplessness or depersonalization, which also very gradually dissipate.

 

You seem to think you are the only person experiencing these symptoms, and you are doomed for eternity. Neither is true.

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Altostrata

Merged similar topics. Yes, people recover, very gradually. It can take a long time and be very frustrating.

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potions

I just have a general question about anhedonia/emotional numbness. It seems to be accepted that most people recover from withdrawal-induced emotional numbness over time. However, there are countless accounts of people 10+ years out still suffering from PSSD, and in almost every single one of these accounts, the sufferers have anhedonia. Everywhere I look I see people with PSSD (and particularly genital numbness) complaining about emotional anesthesia. Most recovery stories from PSSD involve recovery from anhedonia too. My friend’s anhedonia resolved right when his PSSD did, and in every single window where his genital numbness improved, his anhedonia did too. Ask anyone with pssd/genital anesthesia and they’ll most likely tell you they have anhedonia too. I’m not saying that everyone with withdrawal-induced anhedonia has PSSD. But I’d be willing to bet that almost every single person with PSSD/genital anesthesia has anhedonia, and there are multiple cases of people having PSSD for years and years after coming off the drug, sometimes decades. I’ve messaged long term sufferers of PSSD and they still have anhedonia, even people 14 years out. This is disturbing. How can I be sure my emotional numbness will improve over time? I still have genital anesthesia.

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Alan47

Ever since i came off luvox about 3 months ago I can't be able to feel real pleasure or enjoyment from things such as exercising, substances like alcohol, caffeine, cannabis, music. Is there any reason for this?

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Hellbutrin
1 hour ago, Alan47 said:

Ever since i came off luvox about 3 months ago I can't be able to feel real pleasure or enjoyment from things such as exercising, substances like alcohol, caffeine, cannabis, music. Is there any reason for this?

Hi Alan,

 

I'm in the same boat. I think that the term for this is referred to as "anhedonia"- the inability to feel pleasure. There are a lot of reports of this symptom being a side effect of withdrawal, but luckily a lot of people report that it eventually fades throughout recovery. 

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spokety
On 5/3/2018 at 10:03 PM, Altostrata said:

Hellbutrin, you keep on coming up with these odd questions. Please go to the Introductions forum and search for

 

"anhedonia"

"emotional blunting"

"emotional anesthesia"

 

to see how people are doing. Emotional anesthesia is a very, very common consequence of taking psychiatric drugs. If no one ever recovered from it, we would tell you. Usually it is accompanied by other withdrawal symptoms. such as sleeplessness or depersonalization, which also very gradually dissipate.

 

You seem to think you are the only person experiencing these symptoms, and you are doomed for eternity. Neither is true.

 

On 5/5/2018 at 2:20 PM, Altostrata said:

Merged similar topics. Yes, people recover, very gradually. It can take a long time and be very frustrating.

I get my emotions back eventually when I get off meds but it's too difficult to stay out of the hospital for very long when I'm off the meds, so I'm forced to get back on meds.  How can I stay out of the hospital when I get off meds?

 

On 5/30/2018 at 7:28 PM, Alan47 said:

Ever since i came off luvox about 3 months ago I can't be able to feel real pleasure or enjoyment from things such as exercising, substances like alcohol, caffeine, cannabis, music. Is there any reason for this?

It started when you stopped the meds?  That's strange mine started when I started the meds.

 

On 5/2/2018 at 8:37 PM, Hellbutrin said:

Can someone PLEASE direct me to ANY examples of individuals that recovered from anhedonia from wellbutrin withdrawal? I'm going on ten months post C/T and I haven't seen any change in this symptom at all. I have no motivation to do anything and I can't seem to get excited or feel any joy about anything. I'm so tired of feeling this way. I'm also really concerned because most of the reports that I've seen have expressed that Wellbutrin/Bupropion are usually the go to drugs that doctors recommend to treat anhedonia. I've also seen reports that Wellbutrin shares properties to amphetamines, which is terrifying because I know a lot of the side effects of amphetamine use are often permanent. I haven't had any windows in ten months and I'm desperate for reassurance that this will get better eventually. 

 

I'm supposed to be getting married in 6 months and I'd love to feel at least some semblance of happiness about it, but I just can't. I don't feel anything, I just feel like I'm going through the motions of day to day life waiting for things to get better, but they don't. 

Hey man you should inbox with me we should keep in touch.  I'll give you my phone number.  Us sufferers need to keep in contact.  I understand your symptoms like no one else can.

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Altostrata
5 hours ago, spokety said:

I get my emotions back eventually when I get off meds but it's too difficult to stay out of the hospital for very long when I'm off the meds, so I'm forced to get back on meds.  How can I stay out of the hospital when I get off meds?

 

This is a subject we should discuss in your Introductions topic, as it has to do with your own individual drug regimen and history.

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spokety
On 7/17/2018 at 8:39 PM, Altostrata said:

 

This is a subject we should discuss in your Introductions topic, as it has to do with your own individual drug regimen and history.

Okay thats fine, can you send me the link?

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Junglechicken

I've been emotionally numb for years, literally.

 

To get by on a day-to-day basis, I wear my "public" mask (as one does?).

 

However, I've felt pretty much dead emotionally for years, with the exception of losing my father which tore me apart.

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Amber

I had really bad anhedonia while on lexapro and risperdal. And after stopping. Everything was empty.  I felt little emotion, music meant nothing. I lost interest in basic activities.  I hated to work out. I tried so many supplements to cure it. Finally I stopped trying and to my surprise it went away. No meds no supplements just smooth sailing. 98% feeling like myself. The only thing is my sexual desire isn't very strong but i can live with that. I have fun again, i love music. It took about 3months to get well plus another 3months of medication.  There is hope. Just be patient. 

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Tanha
On 2/14/2013 at 7:52 PM, Altostrata said:

I completely understand the feeling of emotional anesthesia and demotivation.

 

It does get better.

 

Be very cautious about interfering with adrenal function. Paradoxically, emotional anesthesia is probably a function of the adrenals working well and producing the anxiety hormone cortisol, like they've been instructed to do by the brain. Most withdrawal symptoms are due to this.

 

The adrenals don't need additional stimulation, and they don't need slowing down -- they govern other very important body functions. It's best to leave them alone.

 

It's possible that fellow recovered from time passing, and the adrenal supplements were coincidental.

 

Since quetiapine/diazepam can cause a paradoxical reaction such as hyperarousel and anxiety after every dose (1,5 h after it to be more precise) I wonder if an interpretation could be that a reduction of theses medications could bring relief to severe anhedonia?

yet it seems to me that changing the dosage in any direction (up or down) intensifies anhedonia (always after a few initial days with great relief of symptoms). 

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Zeipii
On 12/12/2018 at 10:16 PM, Amber said:

I had really bad anhedonia while on lexapro and risperdal. And after stopping. Everything was empty.  I felt little emotion, music meant nothing. I lost interest in basic activities.  I hated to work out. I tried so many supplements to cure it. Finally I stopped trying and to my surprise it went away. No meds no supplements just smooth sailing. 98% feeling like myself. The only thing is my sexual desire isn't very strong but i can live with that. I have fun again, i love music. It took about 3months to get well plus another 3months of medication.  There is hope. Just be patient. 

what do you mean with "plus 3 months of medication". I thought your way to get better was not taking meds...? 

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Altostrata

Anhedonia is a side effect of psychiatric drugs, it is not a paradoxical reaction.

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Tanha

Thank you so much!

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Zeipii
7 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Anhedonia is a side effect of psychiatric drugs, it is not a paradoxical reaction.

Well what wisdom does that give re healing from it? Definitions are definitions, finding a possible healing is what has value. Btw I know people that have got anhedonia without depression also without using any drugs, even if much less typical as a starting point. 

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