whatisbrain Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) ADMIN NOTE The concerns in this post are exaggerated beyond being realistic. If you haven't read this in our READ THIS FIRST forum, please read it now. Your privacy: How much should I post about myself? Will my screen name be recognized? If you want individualized peer support from the staff for your particular situation, your drug and withdrawal history in your signature will be required. If you do not supply it, you will not get that individualized support from the staff. We need that history to counsel you properly. No one need register on this site or post if they share @whatisbrain's level of concern about privacy. If you do share this concern, please seek community on Reddit, patientslikeme.com, or depressionforums.org I would like to bring something to everyone's attention, but especially you, Altostrata. This may sound like paranoia, delusions of persecution, or delusions of grandeur, but unfortunately is based on a number of interactions and communications with professionals in politics and journalism over the last year, and if you go back and read my posts over the last two years, it will come as no surprise. Also, I may sound like I know a lot of computer science and security technicalities, but a lot of what I know is from friends and associates who actually have to work in these technical areas, or have actual professional political activity where they really do need to be aware of security concerns. To summarize, the legal trend, which is at its worst in NYC and in California at the moment, still not too bad in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Maryland, and is in place in all major English-speaking countries, including Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, is ever increasing compulsion to comply with your prescriber's decisions for what is best for you. In legal proceedings, the kind of information that is in our signatures can be used against you in various ways, and can even be acquired via subpoena. Altostrata, I assume the servers, the actual metal and plastic boxes containing this data, are on US soil, and I also assume there are backups, so that even if a person changes or deletes their current information, it still exists as a backup copy somewhere, possibly somewhere obscure so that an information technology expert would have to figure out where the heck it is on the file system, and I assume those backups are also on servers within US jurisdiction. Here is a possible scenario. Let's say you and your ex-spouse are in a custody battle over your children. Your ex is somehow aware of this website, and can claim that you are not a fit parent because you aren't complying with your prescriber, or you've shown a pattern of not complying with your prescriber in the past, therefore endangering your mental functioning, your capacity as a parent, and the safety of your children. The judge issues a subpoena, Altostrata complies with the subpoena, your signature that is either on display, or in a backup copy from years ago, is made available to the authorities, and you never see your kids again. A less dire consequence is that I may want to share some of my political lobbying, activism, and writings that I carry out under my full legal name, and connect with forum members like Ariel outside of this message board, but that would impact my safety and the level of legal risk I am facing in ways that are not delusion, not paranoia, and have had life-changing consequences for other people I know. Similarly, I am reluctant to direct my activist friends from other projects to my activity here, not because I don't trust them, but because I know that once these things are clearly linked in more and more databases on more and more servers, it's pretty impossible to undo. Less politically extreme folks on this forum, who just want to meet up for a cup of coffee, may have different concerns about their legal name and their signature information being correlated. There are various ways to mitigate this problem, but even if the physical location of the servers is somewhere in Switzerland or Germany (like protonmail), Italy (like autistici), or something similar, they would have to comply with subpoenas issued in their country, which would impact mostly forum members in those countries. The server riseup.net has a clear policy of fighting subpoenas tooth and nail, and as a last resort, destroying the entire room of physical servers, the metal and plastic boxes of data, if circumstances are dire enough in their estimation. Just to make it clear, I am not on US soil at the moment, and hope to not return there. As it stands, the actions I am recommending, whether for user to remove their individual signatures, or for Altostrata to look into where the current version is physically, as well as where any backups are physically, are one hundred percent legal. However in five or ten years from now, or a subpoena process filed in the present, doing this could be violating various statutes, ranging from obstructing a subpoena to tampering with evidence (if it is used to show that someone committed a crime at a time when they weren't complying with a prescriber) to something that seems like science fiction dystopia, but is actually only a few steps beyond the coercive helpfulness we already see in Covid vaccine policy and in sexually transmitted disease public health policy - destroying or moving an entire server full of these signatures could be seen as incompatible with best practices in public health, as policies to make us all comply with our prescriber, for our own good and for society's good, are on the rise. Edited May 10 by Altostrata added admin note & edited title Due to things I recently learned in my volunteer work and activism with folks in the legislative, executive, judicial, lobbyist, and media specialties, I believe this information, even when posted here where we should all be feeling secure, carries quite a bit of liability, and it is up to each of you whether to keep posting it. Sorry Altostrata, I know this signature information is a key part of your wonderful work to help people, and I admire you so much for doing this work, but please hear me out. You, Mark Horowitz, Robert Whitaker, the late Loren Mosher, and so many other folks are heroes of mine and you changed my life for the better, so I know you mean well, but I just want you and others to be aware that it could lead to some problems later on. I will explain in a new post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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