Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted April 16, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 16, 2014 It was cymbaltawithdrawal5600 who asked the question, not me. Sorry, got it right, then had to redo the post and got it wrong. Shoulda been CW not CS. :-) As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
compsports Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It was cymbaltawithdrawal5600 who asked the question, not me. Sorry, got it right, then had to redo the post and got it wrong. Shoulda been CW not CS. :-) No problem! Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010 Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006 Finished taper on June 10, 2010 Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016 Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted April 16, 2014 Member Share Posted April 16, 2014 The dates are important. It is not clear if she is at the 10 year mark and still has dreadful symptoms and is looking for someone to compare to or what. There is no way I can read her thread from the beginning the way I feel now. And besides, I don't think she is in a place to accept any help right now unless someone posts a recovery story somewhere which meets her approval. One thing I remember reading is that she got the idea that Alto or someone told her she wouldn't recover if she was still on meds. At the time I thought it was odd that Alto would say such a thing and I searched but couldn't find it anywhere. I read the threads of everyone every day but maybe she doesnt. Rhi is still on meds and is a stellar example of someone who gets what tapering is all about and always works to help others. I believe she is recovering because she says so. She's holding down a job. Btdt is also a good example. Who knows what might have been had she not had something happen ( was it a broken foot?) during recovery yet she still says she is getting better. Now it is pgad. Iggy even says that in the groups she frequents that some are not getting better and she thinks maybe its because they are seeking to cure it with meds which are messing them up. I can't find the exact words she used to quote them. But as I scrolled the page to look some things caught my eye. On second thought, why bother. She has to stay where she is until she does the work to bring herself out of it. Telling her she will recover doesn't seem to help but I did it anyway because that is what she wanted. I don't have to go see giak in person to prove it can happen. Her words and pictures tell me all I need to know. Time for me to move on. Good luck Iggy. Maybe someone in your group will post a recovery story that will give you hope. Then you can start working on yours. What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted April 16, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 16, 2014 Time for me to move on. Good luck Iggy. Maybe someone in your group will post a recovery story that will give you hope. Then you can start working on yours.Sounds good to me CW. Iggy has her own reasons for staying with her gloomy forecast, and we have been unsuccessful in helping her to 'change the page.' In short, while Caroline has the right to chose 'full catastrophe thinking', we have the right to go according to evidence presented on this site. PS Alto never told Iggy she would not recover. Quite the reverse. As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted April 16, 2014 Member Share Posted April 16, 2014 You are so right Skyler. What really matters to Iggy is she THINKS that's what Alto said. I knew she didn't. The drugs really do mess up your thinking and nothing will change it for the better until you work at it. We just don't seem to give her what she needs except for a space to exercise her 'full catastrophe thinking'. I like that. I do it myself sometimes. Sometimes a lot. I just handle it differently than she does. Iggy you can have your thread back. I'll try not to post here anymore. If you do start to recover just know I will see it if you post and will give you a silent cheer! What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 thanks everyone i am on 0.48 of a mg and have been holding for errr...11 months, yes 11 months and im never gong to come off it, the last time i tried to taper by 0.04 i was the closest i have ever been to death i was screaming at the top of my lungs in th garden, i went partially blind, i cant describe all the sensations that took me over, but it took me 2 months to get back to normal hell after that, so i cant do it again I think i shot myself in the foot, although i cant be sure, things slightly improved through february so as i said i started to smaoke some weed in the eveings, that really helped me, i felt almost normal at times and was able to do things i havent been able to do in 2 years like take my son to the movies but whether the weed turned on me, caused some downregulation of some kind, or maybe it was coming anyway i dont know, after about 6 weeks, it all came back..it was never gone, i was still crying everyday but i had hope, more hope I know we all have to cope with the uncertainty, but as ive said, the only people i have found who have the severity that i have, have not healed, and are still living an incredibly disabled life full of suffering and pain, most people wont be like that, but for someone like me, as severe as me, i see that is my fate, i will try the tapping btdt, ill try anything damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 oh and just to clarify, alto has always told me i could recover while still on this half a mg, its many many others who have told me i cannot, of course, no one knows, and thats what makes me so sad....also yes i need to hear that i will recover, but i can never belive anyone who says it to me when i know that its not very likely in my case, and i know that from speaking to others who have it as bad as me, that they have not recovered...i know, i know, theres no talking to me, and no one can make those thoughts change unless the people 10 years out and still very sick get well, who knows, maybe thats possible damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
btdt Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The dates are important. It is not clear if she is at the 10 year mark and still has dreadful symptoms and is looking for someone to compare to or what. There is no way I can read her thread from the beginning the way I feel now. And besides, I don't think she is in a place to accept any help right now unless someone posts a recovery story somewhere which meets her approval. One thing I remember reading is that she got the idea that Alto or someone told her she wouldn't recover if she was still on meds. At the time I thought it was odd that Alto would say such a thing and I searched but couldn't find it anywhere. I read the threads of everyone every day but maybe she doesnt. Rhi is still on meds and is a stellar example of someone who gets what tapering is all about and always works to help others. I believe she is recovering because she says so. She's holding down a job. Btdt is also a good example. Who knows what might have been had she not had something happen ( was it a broken foot?) during recovery yet she still says she is getting better. Now it is pgad. Iggy even says that in the groups she frequents that some are not getting better and she thinks maybe its because they are seeking to cure it with meds which are messing them up. I can't find the exact words she used to quote them. But as I scrolled the page to look some things caught my eye. On second thought, why bother. She has to stay where she is until she does the work to bring herself out of it. Telling her she will recover doesn't seem to help but I did it anyway because that is what she wanted. I don't have to go see giak in person to prove it can happen. Her words and pictures tell me all I need to know. Time for me to move on. Good luck Iggy. Maybe someone in your group will post a recovery story that will give you hope. Then you can start working on yours. I am not reading in order but did read this " She has to stay where she is until she does the work to bring herself out of it" I am of the mind that there is a stage in healing where I was stuck and felt the same way Iggy did and looking back it was not something I could think myself out of it was healing curve that changed on its own that is how it felt but I do believe in the feed back mechanism to doing something with your body stimulates your brain to heal in all kinds of ways. This is my take on it. We can all have our opinions and I too know I could not think right for a long time in withdrawal that did not help either Alto should get a medal for all the harassing I did of her on pp trying to get her to break down for me what the HPA was and how it worked there was no way I could get that thru my head and I tried daily constantly pming and begging people to tell me how it worked when they tried I could not understand it and kept bugging... I repeatedly did this and I am sure I did other things too that I can't recall... I think for some of us it is the nature of withdrawal... and my things this past year have been injured in a car accident.. broken foot and surgery ... add infections and pain meds to hyper sensitive system you have a set back in healing... but I am still here regardless... I will eventually heal just not as soon as I hoped. I am never giving up. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 thankyou all so much btdt, did you ever have any pgad? I don't know what pgad is.. so I can't say what does it mean? Did I miss something ... sometimes I skip a post if my spidey senses get tingling ... if I start feeling bad reading something... if it feels insincere to me or mean or in any way demeaning to another I may skip it... I don't need it and it does not help me to understand the situation generally... but I did miss what pgad is... so what is it? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 persistant genital arousal, what is HPA? damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
btdt Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 oh and just to clarify, alto has always told me i could recover while still on this half a mg, its many many others who have told me i cannot, of course, no one knows, and thats what makes me so sad....also yes i need to hear that i will recover, but i can never belive anyone who says it to me when i know that its not very likely in my case, and i know that from speaking to others who have it as bad as me, that they have not recovered...i know, i know, theres no talking to me, and no one can make those thoughts change unless the people 10 years out and still very sick get well, who knows, maybe thats possible I want to know what symptoms they had that you have that lead you to believe you will not recover... cause I have not seen too many symptoms I have not had.. honestly I made a post about some but there has been so much there is no way I could recall or list it all.. I am dead serious. What are those symptoms? I want to put some perspective in here too I use to think of my old self what I use to be able to do.. work three jobs get things I wanted had money... While I am recovered to a point I hope to recover more... I could not way in hell work these jobs now I can't work one... I have no money ... I don't expect to have money again like I once had but if it came I would spend it and if I heal enough I will work again am i there yet no I am not... BUT I can sleep every day...every single day I can sleep at least some if I miss a nights sleep I will crash in the day... I can sleep... I have not had a run of days without sleep in a couple of years now...this pleases me.. I can eat... most things should be a bit smarter about my diet I am please by this too I can listen to music it does not repeat in my head and it does not make me want to scream cry or run away... I like it now I can generally tolerate light I can go outside and sit down - no more hiding from light... I do get migraines still sometime way too often but not all the time I can think most of the time... I can move without having brain zaps or electrical shocks down my spine and body.. this is a huge relief... if I get sick or in a car accident my head goes funny I am dizzy and can have zaps I don't know why but they go away.. and they are not every minute This is a short list in no way exhaustive... it shows an improvement... waves if they come do not last for wks I no longer compare myself to other "normal" folks and yep that does suck.. I know what I have lost and I have a certain pot of bitterness about it all .. I really do and anger and few other things... but when I put my head in that pot and take a drink.. something I try to avoid... it only hurts me.. nobody else not pharma not the normals not the doctors I read a book once that helped me to get a handle on this it was called the power of now... it is says now is the only time that has any power this minute you in this day this hour.. It really helped me and I had to practice that too.. is it fair now way in hell it is a f..... plague... what choice do I have no much all I can do is choose how I deal with it when I get to the how am I going to live with this point... This is a back and forth thing it takes some struggle it takes some time.. I know that pot in there I know I can reach in there and grab some anger ... when I read about others suffering sometimes it jumps out of the pot and runs down my throat... but mostly it stays in the pot unless I go to it. I found one thing in that power of now book... that is tomorrow counts to tomorrow and yesterday counted yesterday... All the things I may do tomorrow count then.. whatever and whoever I was in the past is in the past... now I am not saying others will adopt this ... I am just saying some day you can if you choose to. For now let the pressure to be "normal" go and love yourself regardless of how you are .. inside your still there you really are and one day you will know it. how did the tapping go? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Hopefull Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hi Iggy, I wish you all the best. I personally messaged you. Hopefull DRUG HISTORY: November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction). January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey). January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering. October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg. September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed. September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised. February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted April 18, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 18, 2014 ... what is HPA? HPA = Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal Axis I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
Nikki Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Hi Iggy I haven't spoken to you in a while.....I don't know how to help you with meds. I will tell you and I tell everyone here from the UK that there is a site currently on FB in the UK for getting off meds safely. The woman who heads it is a nurse and a lovely person. She is planning on opening a website very shortly. The name of the site is Seroxat, Paxil, Paroxetine, getting off ssris safely. I am thinking that because it is in the UK you might want to check it out. Because it is FB it does not contain info and resources that exist here at SA. Anything to help........ Hugs and Happy Easter. Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
theelt712 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Iggy, I'm so so so sorry to hear that you are still struggling and in such immense pain. I really do wish the best for you and your future recovery...the future is still to come. I am off of all meds as of May 20th, 2013, after 5 weeks on Zoloft and a 4 week taper. Still experiencing: moderate anhedonia & PSSD, I am otherwise mostly healed. 2.1 years off of medication. "If I walk away, don't hate me. I've got to see where the pain will take me. I found no angels...I found myself." Link to comment
WinningThrough Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Hi Iggy. I haven't read all of this thread but I've read some. I wanted to send thoughts and a big hug. You mentioned pgad. I had something like that, I don't know if it was that or not. It was more a consistent terrible feeling in that region that I just couldn't escape from at any point. It never stopped. It was all I could think about at one stage. But do you know what? It went! It lasted a long time but one day it just wasn't there any more and hasn't come back. Are there other symptoms that you've had which have gone away? I find that listing the symptoms I once had that went away can really help. I had a numb bladder for ages and couldn't imagine that ever healing but it did. It healed! I have new symptoms now in withdrawal and I'm constantly focusing on those and thinking they won't go away but the evidence is there that they will. The others did so they will too. Sometimes it can help to think of it as a really bad case of the flu (a bit of an understatement, I know!). While we have it we are down for the count and we feel like it's going to go on forever but it doesn't. At one stage, we might have a really bad cough and feel that is never going to go. Then we might get nausea for ages and think we are stuck with it. Then it's fatigue. The body resolves each one. I, like you, have gone on the internet looking for help and answers but have instead found horror stories. It makes it all much worse. I've done exactly what you've done. Instead, read the success stories, re-read them. Btdt wrote a great post on here about how far she has come. I'm quitting internet searches. In withdrawal, it becomes an obsession. We search and search our condition looking for a magic cure but we find more and more horror stories. It makes us hopeless. I've been doing exactly the same as you!! I'm giving up searching. Only read the success stories. They are out there. Benzo buddies (is it okay to mention that site here?) has plenty. Whether it's a benzo or ssri or any psych drug, withdrawal is withdrawal and the point is, people do recover. You could be me with all that you've gone through! I bet almost everyone thinks at some point they will never recover. I have a hunch you will recover sooner than you think. So many of the things you've thought and felt, I have too. I can relate to so much of what you've said and I think the hopelessness is part of it, part of the withdrawal. A symptom if you like. It's the withdrawal talking, not you. I know what it's like to feel that you are never going to heal. I get that a lot and I think pretty much everyone with akathisia feels like that. It will feels many many times like you cant stand it but just do whatever you can to get through it. Just keep walking. Each step you take is a step closer to the finishing line. You could be really close to a window. I will stop rambling on now! You are not alone. No one should have to suffer like you are and like we all are. I wish you weren't going through this but I will keep sending thoughts out to you. I hope you have a window very soon. Hugs. The only way out is through. Aug 2013 - Augmentin leading to akathisia Sept-Nov 2013 - Citalopram 20mg, severe reaction, off at 5mg. Valium 4mg, prn Oct 2013 - 5 zopiclone tablets, 7.5mg End Nov 2013-end Feb 2014, Seroquel, top dose 150mg, off at 25mg End Nov 2013-early march 2014, Zoloft 100mg top dose, off at 25mg End Dec-2013-early April 2014, lorazepam 1mg prn April 3rd 2014 zoloft 5mg for a few days. 18/4/14 - zoloft, 1mg. Came off at 0.35 mg,14th June 2014 29 June 2014 - 1mg lorazepam, last ever 29 June 2014 - med free Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted April 22, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 22, 2014 oh and just to clarify, alto has always told me i could recover while still on this half a mg, its many many others who have told me i cannot, of course, no one knows, and thats what makes me so sad....also yes i need to hear that i will recover, but i can never belive anyone who says it to me when i know that its not very likely in my case, and i know that from speaking to others who have it as bad as me, that they have not recovered...i know, i know, theres no talking to me, and no one can make those thoughts change unless the people 10 years out and still very sick get well, who knows, maybe thats possible I want to know what symptoms they had that you have that lead you to believe you will not recover... cause I have not seen too many symptoms I have not had.. honestly I made a post about some but there has been so much there is no way I could recall or list it all.. I am dead serious. What are those symptoms? I want to put some perspective in here too I use to think of my old self what I use to be able to do.. work three jobs get things I wanted had money... While I am recovered to a point I hope to recover more... I could not way in hell work these jobs now I can't work one... I have no money ... I don't expect to have money again like I once had but if it came I would spend it and if I heal enough I will work again am i there yet no I am not... BUT I can sleep every day...every single day I can sleep at least some if I miss a nights sleep I will crash in the day... I can sleep... I have not had a run of days without sleep in a couple of years now...this pleases me.. I can eat... most things should be a bit smarter about my diet I am please by this too I can listen to music it does not repeat in my head and it does not make me want to scream cry or run away... I like it now I can generally tolerate light I can go outside and sit down - no more hiding from light... I do get migraines still sometime way too often but not all the time I can think most of the time... I can move without having brain zaps or electrical shocks down my spine and body.. this is a huge relief... if I get sick or in a car accident my head goes funny I am dizzy and can have zaps I don't know why but they go away.. and they are not every minute This is a short list in no way exhaustive... it shows an improvement... waves if they come do not last for wks I no longer compare myself to other "normal" folks and yep that does suck.. I know what I have lost and I have a certain pot of bitterness about it all .. I really do and anger and few other things... but when I put my head in that pot and take a drink.. something I try to avoid... it only hurts me.. nobody else not pharma not the normals not the doctors I read a book once that helped me to get a handle on this it was called the power of now... it is says now is the only time that has any power this minute you in this day this hour.. It really helped me and I had to practice that too.. is it fair now way in hell it is a f..... plague... what choice do I have no much all I can do is choose how I deal with it when I get to the how am I going to live with this point... This is a back and forth thing it takes some struggle it takes some time.. I know that pot in there I know I can reach in there and grab some anger ... when I read about others suffering sometimes it jumps out of the pot and runs down my throat... but mostly it stays in the pot unless I go to it. I found one thing in that power of now book... that is tomorrow counts to tomorrow and yesterday counted yesterday... All the things I may do tomorrow count then.. whatever and whoever I was in the past is in the past... now I am not saying others will adopt this ... I am just saying some day you can if you choose to. For now let the pressure to be "normal" go and love yourself regardless of how you are .. inside your still there you really are and one day you will know it. how did the tapping go? hello btdt, I just had to say that I liked what you wrote here a lot. This is the very thing that helps me survive: focus on things I can do rather than those that I can't. Not comparing is particularly tough... Sometimes it doesn't work, like everything else but it is a very important skill so thanks for posting that! Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
btdt Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We have to live now with what we have and finding the things that give us some comfort and or some relief is imperative to the process... I know what you mean about it not working all the time this is why we need to have an entire tool kit... I will be the first to admit this and sometimes don't get dressed and sometimes withdraw and sometimes run to the woods other pray... or bake or clean the house ... getting thru the rough spots take on various approaches as this is a long term battle not a short one. Thank you for the thank you it helps me to feel that all the time healing has given me something to offer the world I appreciate it. Iggy I am hoping you have found some things to put in your tool box and are off practicing... I hope you are becoming proficient with your new tools. They will serve you a long time. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 thankyou so muh btdt your very kind, and everyone else for your support right now im back in acute withdrawal, im thinking perhaps the weed smoking has done this to me, it really helped for a few weeks, REALLY HELPregukated some receptorsED during that time i even went to the cinema which is unheard iof and i was ok... but after about 5 or 6 weeks of having it the akathisia began to come back, would it have come back anyway? quite possibly but i have stopped the weed and now im in acute probaly withdrawal from that i wonder if after a few weeks continuous use i downregulated some receptors, and if this is dysautonamia my system couldnt addapt to that and now im going through this as my system tries to cope with both downregulation and the absense of the weedlast november i had the mother of all waves, and in early october i was smoking some weed, not as much as I was recently, the wave hit me 4 weeks after i stopped the weed last time, at the time all the studies say the receptors upregulate (as many studies have been done on weed in regard to receptors) and triggered that wave if that is the case then i expect to be in acute for at least the next 2 months, probably longer damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
WinningThrough Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It could be windows and waves. You went to the cinema! How amazing is that! Perhaps that was a window and you are now in a wave. It's awful to feel worse after you've felt better.,that's one of the hardest things about this. But another window could come sooner than you think. It's a bit like being on a long train journey with a few stops here and there. The stops are the windows. Then you have to get back on the train. That train is headed somewhere, you're just unable to see where at the moment but it is heading there. I'm just wondering if there are any inspirational quotes you could read on the internet? They can really help. The only way out is through. Aug 2013 - Augmentin leading to akathisia Sept-Nov 2013 - Citalopram 20mg, severe reaction, off at 5mg. Valium 4mg, prn Oct 2013 - 5 zopiclone tablets, 7.5mg End Nov 2013-end Feb 2014, Seroquel, top dose 150mg, off at 25mg End Nov 2013-early march 2014, Zoloft 100mg top dose, off at 25mg End Dec-2013-early April 2014, lorazepam 1mg prn April 3rd 2014 zoloft 5mg for a few days. 18/4/14 - zoloft, 1mg. Came off at 0.35 mg,14th June 2014 29 June 2014 - 1mg lorazepam, last ever 29 June 2014 - med free Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted April 24, 2014 Member Share Posted April 24, 2014 Oh Iggy, you did it! I have been holding my breath here hoping you would see the connection to your symptoms and weed. I don't know if I was the only one who caught it but I didn't want to say anything, not even in a PM. I know you were very upset with me. Alto has mentioned in the past that people who are sensitized in withdrawal may not ever be able to use psychoactive substances. In your case, you see that the temporary change in your mood, motivation or whatever came at too great a cost. at the time all the studies say the receptors upregulate (as many studies have been done on weed in regard to receptors) and triggered that wave how many of those studies were done on people in acute WD with your particular history? That is the only data that would matter. Studies are misleading. What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 i was never upset with you CW never i dont know, cannabis is meant to be very healing for the brain, but if the issue is dysautonamia then i can see that adding something into the mix and not remaining stable as I was doing could have flared things up it wasnt just a change in mood and motivation, although that did help, it was a real lifting of many symptoms, no more akathisia, no more pgad, I was able to do things with my son, sometimes big and sometimes small but i havent been able to do them for years, anyone would do what i did if they were finding relief im going to go 6 months making no changes at all, no suppliments, no weed, no changes to the 0.48 of citalopram and see if it helps, for now im jst goig to have to suffer i tried to stand up tpoday but theres no point i just blacked out stright away, all I can do is lay down but the akathisia is s bad, im screaming out loud and rocking and wailing, thi has been happening for 5 days now damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 what im saying about the studies is that its proven that receptors come back after weed use at approx 4 weeks, that would fit in with my severe SVEERE wave that hit me 4 weeks last time i stopped weed normal people would addapt to that and not notice but with my ultra sensitised system it was a massive deal damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted April 24, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 24, 2014 Caroline.. IMO, people whose systems are sensitized might experience a significant WD effect from cannabis. It can be addictive, and may stay in your system for 14 days after the last use. http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2287.aspx?CategoryID=53 A blackout, did you lose consciousness? As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted April 24, 2014 Member Share Posted April 24, 2014 is that its proven that receptors come back after weed use at approx 4 weeks For the study to have any validity FOR YOU it would have to be done on a great enough sampling of people matching your situation (which includes your drug history and current drug use). And you didn't cite the studies. cannabis is meant to be very healing for the brain I don't think so. Citations? Don't mean to sound adversarial. It is hard for lay people to get valid info from studies unless they specialize in reading them, like Alto. This is the good I see that came out of your experience: im going to go 6 months making no changes at all, no suppliments, no weed, no changes to the 0.48 of citalopram and see if it helps Yup! That's the ticket! What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 no i dont lose conciousness, athough i had had a few seizures, in december when i used tea tree oil, i just black out and have to lay down fast, i would pass out if i didnt do that damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted April 24, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 24, 2014 i just black out and have to lay down fast, i would pass out if i didnt do that So you are getting dizzy when you stand up? How long has this been going on. Is it most pronounced when you get out of bed in the morning.. when you stand up, etc. Sounds like orthostatic hypotension. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthostatic_hypotension As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 ive had it all the way through for 2 years, i have been laying down on the floor of stores before now, and no i dont get it at certain times of the day, and certainly not everyday, during acute waves i do for sure i have always thought it could be related to blood pressure, its no big deal, passing out is the least of my worries damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
Muddles Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Iggy - I have passed out a number of times and put it down to blood pressure. But like you - it's nothing in comparison to everything else. I'm suffering with terrible sinusitus and polyps. My friend has been to the hospital with sinisitus today and said she doesn't know how I put up with it....I don't even think about it, so trivial. Ah - to be normal again and be able to moan about such small things! Lucky, lucky people. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ive had it all the way through for 2 years, i have been laying down on the floor of stores before now, and no i dont get it at certain times of the day, and certainly not everyday, during acute waves i do for sure i have always thought it could be related to blood pressure, its no big deal, passing out is the least of my worries I had it for a long time too. I looked up the POTs while there is a hosp doing research on this or was at the time the 2 hour drive to get there was more than I was up to... tho I did go there once in withdrawal by cab at a couple hundred dollar pop. I too thought it was bp... do you have pain in you head followed by a head ache... I use to get this ever time I went to Walmart for sure and at some other stores .. I thought at the time it was the lights and smells noise I was just overwhelmed but did not feel it was more in a fog.. a bit unaware of stuff roaming around... I would get this pain in my head was dizzy all the time so it lost it's worthiness of mention... So since I was in Walmart and they had a bp machine I checked my bp a few times when I was in there... it was 190 - 206 stuff like that... but then it would go down low... too... too low. at some point I bought my own bp machine and took it to the doctor... bp was always high then... so I was given verapamil... to try... when my bp went low ti went way too low so that was stopped... It got less and less over time... and this is what I think looking back... just to skip all the stories that would likely bother you and not help at all... Later on in the process... Food would often trigger me to sleep ... it was more like passing out than sleep coma like... It would feel like a bp thing but I don't think it was... and it came at a certain time in my healing and did not seem to matter what I ate... to the previous POTs stuff... originally standing...getting up moving your head think of the brain zaps when moving your head or eyes... seems to be like that... movement in the early stages caused zaps so I think they are related... after the brain zaps settled some.. I noticed the bp more maybe because brain zaps require a lot of attention you can't ignore them no matter what... there was a time I had both together they do make life mean ... burdensome... hard... worrisome. I have no idea what is going on in the brain to cause this but I can't state enough that for me it went in time... I became an obsessed bp taker and wrote down in a book each and every bp I took... and then I started writing down what made a difference if anything... this may sound nuts but sometimes I thought if I took a tums I felt better... tums did not make sense but maybe the gravol I took did.. as it tones down they system some ... very low dose 1/4 of a kids gravol. I would not have been able to get out of the house without it a lot of the time still I am not sure recommending it is a good idea but it was the only thing that helped me... taken only when I was over the top and had to get some place... or suffering too much ... I AM NOT A DOCTOR... there may be risk to this I do not understand... I found out by accident.. as I was taking it for nausea and dizziness... I found out by writing stuff down that it seemed to lower my bp a bit... kids gravol is 15 mg... what I took was about 3mg an adult dose is 50mg for a normal not in withdrawal person... please if your going to try this do very low to start no more than 1/4 of the child dose. I don't know if this was smart or not I was just trying to survive... and that is what I did. I think this is related to whatever causes brain zaps... ect. Later after some long time had passed I noticed it was affected by ... lights sounds and I think stress in the body and bp being unregulated set off by a number of things in the environment but it was not the same as it was when it started... not the same but similar. I did learn other things to do... like I keep saying the list of self care... baths epson salts heat on the spine cold on the neck sometimes at the same time... relaxation... ect all the things I keep repeating and you likely sick of hearing about... Here is the key... IT GOT BETTER Yes it was bad dealing with it... real bad but it got better I can't say why... time and my body knowing what to do is my only guess.. things that helps are self care things... being hydrated... detoxing with baths our skin is the largest organ.. have since found lemon in water good... helpful in some way I can't explain... a bit of taurine... be very careful if trying this too... 1/16 of 500mg... Start everything out small you can always take more and at that point in my healing process EVERYTHING caused a reaction even food... Things I had to avoid at that time water melon - walnuts - avocado - for sure. Coffee no way coffee made me so dizzy then my knew would buckle... no caffeine of any kinds including chocolate.. It gradually worked it self out my bp is still high... 140+ but nothing like it was ... At times it goes for a dance on the high side... Later we can talk about sugar... wheat... peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Hope that helped some not at my best today but gave it a shot... peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
WinningThrough Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 How are you Iggy? The only way out is through. Aug 2013 - Augmentin leading to akathisia Sept-Nov 2013 - Citalopram 20mg, severe reaction, off at 5mg. Valium 4mg, prn Oct 2013 - 5 zopiclone tablets, 7.5mg End Nov 2013-end Feb 2014, Seroquel, top dose 150mg, off at 25mg End Nov 2013-early march 2014, Zoloft 100mg top dose, off at 25mg End Dec-2013-early April 2014, lorazepam 1mg prn April 3rd 2014 zoloft 5mg for a few days. 18/4/14 - zoloft, 1mg. Came off at 0.35 mg,14th June 2014 29 June 2014 - 1mg lorazepam, last ever 29 June 2014 - med free Link to comment
Tuskentank Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Hi Iggy, have you looked into probiotics? In the UK there are ones called Optibac for Daily Wellbeing and you could build up slow on them. It might be worth trying as something to help, if you feel you have looked at everything else. Take care Update 05/10/14: 11mg fluoxetine, 1.3mg diazepam (slow microtaper of both). Off olanzapine about 6-8 months? Currently taking: histamine degrading probiotics, a glass of milk kefir mixed with natural yoghurt, flaxseed and slippery elm (split into two doses, one AM & one PM), butyric acid, high dose b vitamins, additional panthenine & a very healthy diet (no grains at all). I believe that the answers to healing are in the gut. God bless you all. Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted July 4, 2014 Member Share Posted July 4, 2014 How are you doing, Iggy? Do you still visit the site? Have things gotten any better for you? What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hi Guys, I really need some advice and I cant find this informatio anywhere I have been stuck on 0.48 of a severe adverse reaction after a failed RI after a CT....awful I was a tiny bit more stable, stll sufferng but able to function in small ways, ie - get dressed, pick up my son from school etc I have been using the same bottle of oral celexa solution since october 2012.....the shalf life (use by) is october this year and I didnt have much left, so I got a new bottle I have had a severe adverse reaction to the new bottle...its not a generic so the dosing should be simmilar HOWEVER i now see on my old bottle that it says once opened use within 16 weeks... i have used it for 100 weeks but I dont now what to do now as I cant find out if the solution would have DECREASED in potency or INCREASED over time? It feels like I have updosed so it would make sense to me that the solution decreases in potency over time and now I am taking my dose from a new bottle I am having a more aggresive reaction to more of the drug....but I dont know If that was the case a tiny drop might help me, but I dont know, I really dont know...if anyone has any ideas about if the oral solution decreases or increases over time once opened I would be so so grateful damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
Iggy131313 Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hi Guys, I really need some advice and I cant find this informatio anywhere I have been stuck on 0.48 of a severe adverse reaction after a failed RI after a CT....awful I was a tiny bit more stable, stll sufferng but able to function in small ways, ie - get dressed, pick up my son from school etc I have been using the same bottle of oral celexa solution since october 2012.....the shalf life (use by) is october this year and I didnt have much left, so I got a new bottle I have had a severe adverse reaction to the new bottle...its not a generic so the dosing should be simmilar HOWEVER i now see on my old bottle that it says once opened use within 16 weeks... i have used it for 100 weeks but I dont now what to do now as I cant find out if the solution would have DECREASED in potency or INCREASED over time? It feels like I have updosed so it would make sense to me that the solution decreases in potency over time and now I am taking my dose from a new bottle I am having a more aggresive reaction to more of the drug....but I dont know If that was the case a tiny drop might help me, but I dont know, I really dont know...if anyone has any ideas about if the oral solution decreases or increases over time once opened I would be so so grateful damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment
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